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I would love to see the team re-sign Skrine, still crossing my fingers.

I think Skrine is waiting to see what kind of offers he can get from some better teams, and honestly who could blame him? But until he signs somewhere we have a chance to bring him back.

Glad we'll still have Robertson and Gipson next year.



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So far we know Gipson got a two, Robertson got a two, and Bademosi got an original round.

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So far we know Gipson got a two, Robertson got a two, and Bademosi got an original round.


Whoa, we're going to lose Gipson. Maybe the Giants?

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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


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So are we letting Skrine and Gipson go? Last I heard, good teams pay their players and retain their own.

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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Well, yes we can... but if we really wanted to keep him they would have put a 1st round tender on him. They know it's going to cost a lot more than $3.5 mil / year to keep Gipson. They want the pick.

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Originally Posted By: texaslostdawg
so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Yes we can.


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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
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So far we know Gipson got a two, Robertson got a two, and Bademosi got an original round.


Whoa, we're going to lose Gipson. Maybe the Giants?


I wouldn't say that. The only restricted free agent to change teams in recent years is Andrew Hawkins. I think we match any contract offer or sign Gipson to an extension.

Kitchen original round tender

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Originally Posted By: clevesteve
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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Well, yes we can... but if we really wanted to keep him they would have put a 1st round tender on him. They know it's going to cost a lot more than $3.5 mil / year to keep Gipson. They want the pick.


I don't think any team is going to want to pay Gipson and give up the second round pick.

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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Well, yes we can... but if we really wanted to keep him they would have put a 1st round tender on him. They know it's going to cost a lot more than $3.5 mil / year to keep Gipson. They want the pick.


I don't think any team is going to want to pay Gipson and give up the second round pick.


Could be right. I guess we'll see. I was definitely surprised, though.

I think no protection on Kitchen is a mistake given the premium on NTs in the league.

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Restricted free agents rarely change teams. I think we are safe.

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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Well, yes we can... but if we really wanted to keep him they would have put a 1st round tender on him. They know it's going to cost a lot more than $3.5 mil / year to keep Gipson. They want the pick.


I don't think any team is going to want to pay Gipson and give up the second round pick.


Could be right. I guess we'll see. I was definitely surprised, though.

I think no protection on Kitchen is a mistake given the premium on NTs in the league.


I'm surprised too. I thought it would have been a first round tender.


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Mark Kay is reporting they were all second round tenders.

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All 4 of the #Browns RFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Kitchen and Bademosi received 2nd tenders. It was not unexpected for Gipson's camp.


https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot


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yeah, that's what Spotrac is saying, too.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Mark Kay is reporting they were all second rounder tenders.


So we have different reports. I have seen multiple others not agree with her.

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So have I.


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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 9m9 minutes ago
All 4 of the #Browns RFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Kitchen and Bademosi received 2nd tenders. It was not unexpected for Gipson's camp.


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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 9m9 minutes ago
All 4 of the #Browns RFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Kitchen and Bademosi received 2nd tenders. It was not unexpected for Gipson's camp.


We'll have to wait and see if this is accurated. I would be surprised if Bademosi got a second round tender. $2M+ is a lot for a special teamer.

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http://overthecap.com/rfa-tender-tracker/

1st round tender is $3.35 mil
2nd round tender is $2.36 mil
Orig round tender is $1.54 mil

$800k ain't a lot when you have cap space like we do and you would have to replace the guy. JMO.

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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 9m9 minutes ago
All 4 of the #Browns RFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Kitchen and Bademosi received 2nd tenders. It was not unexpected for Gipson's camp.


We'll have to wait and see if this is accurated. I would be surprised if Bademosi got a second round tender. $2M+ is a lot for a special teamer.


just making sure we have a team this year. no one with a better choice will come here.


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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 9m9 minutes ago
All 4 of the #Browns RFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Kitchen and Bademosi received 2nd tenders. It was not unexpected for Gipson's camp.


We'll have to wait and see if this is accurated. I would be surprised if Bademosi got a second round tender. $2M+ is a lot for a special teamer.


just making sure we have a team this year. no one with a better choice will come here.


If you have a better choice, in any circumstance, why would you choose the worse option?

Our team will be the better choice (money, playing time, familiarity with the system, etc.) for several players.

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To recap, for Browns RFAs: 2nd round tender for Gipson/Robertson, original (low) tender for Kitchen/Bademosi


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Cabot is alone in her reporting that all are second round tenders.

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That is very grown up of you to say in a debate.


pfft you called me a bastard and your trying to say grown up debate?

you said i was mistaken and it was the team president and i showed you were wrong and you ran away like a little girl. some debate. pfft



Don't little boys also run away from things?

They do now because they are wimps.. back in the day they did not. tongue


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I don't know if anyone has posted this, so:

According to Sirius NFL Radio, Hoyer will sign a 3 year deal with the Texans; no money figure reported...


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Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 8m8 minutes ago

Correction of an earlier tweet: Robertson and Gipson received the second-rounders and Kitchen and Bademosi received the low-round tenders.

https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/575038833269604353


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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Well, yes we can... but if we really wanted to keep him they would have put a 1st round tender on him. They know it's going to cost a lot more than $3.5 mil / year to keep Gipson. They want the pick.


I don't think any team is going to want to pay Gipson and give up the second round pick.


Could be right. I guess we'll see. I was definitely surprised, though.

I think no protection on Kitchen is a mistake given the premium on NTs in the league.


I'm surprised too. I thought it would have been a first round tender.


1st round for Kitchen... no way


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They were referring to giving a 1st round tender to Gipson.

I think we did him a favor.. With a 1st round tender, no one would touch him..

A 2nd round tender at least allows him to go out and try to find a good deal, that we would eventually match..


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so we cant match the offer and keep him?


Yes we can.


Which we likely will. Byrd got a monster contract, I think maybe the staff is trying to test the market out and see dollar wise what they, or in atleast the interpretation of other teams, value Gipson out at. JMO, but I don't think this staff has any intentions of letting Gipson go. Truthfully, it would be absurd. He covers so much ground it's sick and on top of that, he has better hands than a lot of WRS. I remember him telling someone in an interview he has the best hands, even factoring in the offense, of the team!!!!!!!!

Gotta keep that Gipson!

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Originally Posted By: ThatGuy
They were referring to giving a 1st round tender to Gipson.

I think we did him a favor.. With a 1st round tender, no one would touch him..

A 2nd round tender at least allows him to go out and try to find a good deal, that we would eventually match..




We did ourself a favor as well. Nobody was going to touch him with a 1st round tender. A 2nd? Possibly.


I know the guy wanted to go untendered and get a big offer from someone, but the guy also needs to understand the team is going to protect their interests as well. Why the heck are we just going to let him go. Nobody is going to offer him a big contract and have to send off a 1st round pick if we don't match. At least now someone may offer him a 3 year deal for X million and we match.


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Before someone jumps in and ask:

There is no such thing as a poison pill contract. The NFL outlawed it.

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That poison pill contract is a killer... willynilly

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Saw this, reports have been the Browns are trying to hash a long term deal w/Gipson...



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They better be! Gipson is emerging quickly as one of the elite free safeties the league has to offer.

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Gipson is awesome. We had better give him a long term deal. He plays LIKE A BROWN!



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Originally Posted By: MrKelso
Gipson is awesome. We had better give him a long term deal. He plays LIKE A BROWN!


Amen to that ... thumbsup


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If they don't re-sign Gipson their credibility with their "motto" will be hollow

Heck, Skrine "plays like a Brown" more than almost anyone else too


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
If they don't re-sign Gipson their credibility with their "motto" will be hollow



Agree 100% - time to put up or shut up


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
If they don't re-sign Gipson their credibility with their "motto" will be hollow

Heck, Skrine "plays like a Brown" more than almost anyone else too

If somebody signs Gipson away, it better be for one astronomical amount of money that is bordering on insane. Free safety has become a difficult position to fill and we finally have a very good one.


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Hoyer to Houston is Happening

Godspeed, Mr. Hoyer....

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Originally Posted By: Brownoholic
Hoyer to Houston is Happening

Godspeed, Mr. Hoyer....


On the bench.


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Originally Posted By: Brownoholic
Hoyer to Houston is Happening

Godspeed, Mr. Hoyer....


Considering Mallet was who many of the posters were very high on before we signed McCown, it'll sure be an interesting QB battle to play out. . . I will be rooting for BH to win the starter spot.

I am not as high on Gipson as some (don't know that he is Elite) but not as down on him as some who basically said the guy was lucky with all his picks. 5 years $47 mill would be too steep for me. 5 yrs and $38-40 Mill would be just right. $10 guaranteed.


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