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I would have been 'ok' with Skrine coming back to Cleveland at that contract, but still think that is way too much for him. I'm happy for him that he got a great deal but I'm kinda glad we're not paying him that. Now, we probably need to add someone else to the DB corp.

Perrish Cox is schedule to be in Cleveland and would be more than happy to add him to the mix. Hopefully, his former teammate, Whitner, put in some good words.

Found this interesting as it relates to the Buster Skrine and Revis signings.

https://twitter.com/nfltrade_rumors

If this is true, I wonder how much this tactic Farmer takes where he tells the player to "go set the market then we'll talk" is really insulting to the player. It was kind of cute, maybe even considered a good move, when he did it with Mack. But it seems to have become our MO, and I wonder if players are thinking "hey, if you want me then let's get it done now." And when that doesn't happen, I wonder if they just feel slighted by the organization they grew up with and want to stay with.

At the end of the day, I do agree with some that Skrine was a bit overrated by us fans. He was a good player who improved year over year and was essentially raised by the Browns. But I thought if we are building through the draft these are the type of players you want to retain...your own...particularly when they've shown they can play and embody the spirit of the culture you want to instill.

Wonder how offended Gipson is.

I wonder if Skrine is getting screwed. He signed thinking he is playing opposite Revis. In a year or two, he'll most likely take Revis's spot when he retires. I hope the Antonio Cromartie is simply a rumor.

Skrine wants to be the #1 guy. He wasn't getting that chance in Cleveland with Hayden. Cleveland added Gilbert stacking the deck against.

They also have Dee Millner too, right? I know he hasn't lived up to expectations or anything (injuries) but the Jets might end up paying Skrine $6M/yr ($13M guaranteed) to be a nickel CB...a concern by many on here. IF that ends up being the case, this might be a prime example of overpaying for a player. We'll see.

This is a head-scratching move by the Jets. They're gonna have a ton of money tied up in their CB's...odd indeed.

sux. he was quickly becoming one of my favorites. we watched him become a really good CB. like someone said, the refs did tend to pick on him with those holding calls. i loved his scrappy play. damn! one piece of the unfinished puzzle gone...

I am starting to believe the Cromartie talks aren't just a rumor...

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Not keeping one of your better players is not a way to get to the SB. Now the Browns have to fill a hole that was already filled. Though to get up stream when your swimming against the current.

Not sure if Skrine was going to be the player who got us to the SB

Didn't the Jets used to have Antonio Cromartie and Revis at the same time and dumped both of them? IIRC they had a fine stable of CB's and let them all go. Now they're bringing two of them back.

I will just say this about Shanahan.

I liked him last year, in a lot of ways. I feel that he had some really solid play designs, and that he got the most out of his talent early on.

However, (and isn't there always a "however"?) he also failed to adapt once Mack got hurt. We still continued to use run plays that would be fine with Mack, but which failed miserably with the backups in there. I feel like he failed to adapt to the loss of Mack on the OL.

I don't know whose decision it was to use Gordon as much as we tried to do late in the season, but if Shanahan was the one putting players on the field in particular play calls, then he has a part in the issues that Gordon brought to the field. I also don't know how much he had to do with the QBs and their development, but I feel that Hoyer regressed as the season went on, and that Manziel was, obviously, a disaster.

That said, we were able to run the ball, consistently, down close to the goal line. It is impressive, the way we managed to rush for as many TD as we did last year. Shanahan had, at least, a part in that, and was successful in that regard.

I think that Shanahan was very successful in some regards, and was less successful in others. Overall I feel that he helped us last year, but if he was causing problems inside the building, then maybe it's best that he moved on. That is the implication, that he was more problem than asset, so I'll just accept that for now. There were too many reports regarding this, and the way the timeline played out seems to indicate that it was the case.

In the end, I feel that Shanahan was a solid coordinator, but he also had some issues that he never handled. He was very good, but not irreplaceable. We'll see what happens with the coaching staff all being on the same page this year.

This should make Buster feel better

Well, I just replied to a post int he thread.

I am quite sure that Buster is feeling quite good today regardless of what I think.

Revis, Cromartie, and Skrine is a great trio. Skrine only having to cover slot corners is ideal. If only Gilbert wasn't an idiot last year. . .

Who has a quote that says Skrine wants to be the number 1 guy? Please show us that quote!

Then we get the brilliance of pure BS speculation that Skrine is going to be overpaid because he might be a nickel corner. What evidence is there of that? Board members on here?

Skrine might be a nickel corner if the Jets sign Cromartie. But nickel corners are very valuable, as they are on the field more often than not.

I assumed. Most people don't go into a situation saying I want to be #2.

I look around the league and don't see many $7 mil nickles.

Maybe you like to share where you found both these cases are now the norm.

I just never heard where he said that he wanted to be a number 1 corner.

To me...........if you are on the field, that is great. You might want to be named a #1 CB if you are looking to get paid, but he just got paid. Sorry bugs..........I call BS!

Here is what I think will happen, provided all three are healthy.

Revis starts. Skrine starts.

However, since most plays now require 3 CBs on the field at the same time, Cromartie comes in and he and Revis line-up outside and Skrine moves inside.

Wanna bet?

Looking at it today I think that is exactly what happens this year.

Who takes Revis's spot when he retires Skrine or Cromartie? That is what I was speculating Skrine maybe was hoping he had a shot. In Cleveland, he doesn't since Hayden and Skrine are near the same age. That is why I stated I wonder if Skrine gets screwed if Jets sign Cromartie.

Don't you agree Skrine proved himself last year? Like every year he made large jumps in improvement. I don't know can Cromartie play nickle? Can Skrine beat out Cromartie for the outside job?

Who cares who starts? They are all going to play a ton of snaps.

bugs.........you know I love you, bro. I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not picking on you. Seriously.

I think Skrine is better--at this point in their careers--than Cromartie. However, there are 3 corners on the field for a huge number of plays in today's NFL. It ain't like the old days, bro..........where you almost always had 3 or 4 d-linemen, 3 or 4 LBers, 2 CBs, and 2 Safeties.

In today's NFL, you see 3 CBs on the field a lot. You even see 4 guys lining up at corner on given plays.

I still think Revis and Skrine start in traditional 2-corner sets, and then Cro comes on the field in all passing downs, which is a majority of the time, and he plays outside and Skrine covers the slot.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, losing Shanahan was GREAT. Won't have to worry about having a pesky running game any more. Those 16 rushing touchdowns SUCKED. Won't have to worry about that any more. Shanahan worked MIRACLES winning 7 games with no quarterback. But yes, those wins were against the weakest schedule in the leauge. Now, if you wan't to believe that we traded up when we ran off Shanahan and hired a rookie OC, that's fine. And if you think 7-9 against the NFC South proves we are playoff bound this year? That's fine too. Woo hoo! We have Johnny Rehab, he's the greatest QB in the league. Oh wait, he's the SMALLEST quarterback in the league. Woo hoo! Blah Blah Woof Woof.
Enjoy living in fantasy land, where losing talent and drafting bench warmers makes your team better. Where tiny little quarterbacks that run around like Fran Tarkenton survive longer than two games..... But when we line up against Seattle, and Arizona, and Denver this year, we will see how great this team is. We will see how the talent we are so loaded with we don't NEED any more players actually fares....

Why do you even post here?

Like.. What's the point about being negative, about EVERYTHING?

You just constantly point out the same things, regardless of what the thread is about..

Do you enjoy being negative? Because if you do, that sucks for you, and if you don't.. i dunno..maybe.. don't?

We know the team needs work.. No one here is in this blissful happy place you seem to think they are..

I'm jot saying anything, I'm just sayin..

No. I already think Skrine is being over paid whether he's the #2 or the nickel. I mentioned that earlier. I added it would look even worse IF Cromartie ends up spending more time at the #2 IF he's signed. You think they will start Skrine and then move him inside when Cromatie enters for certain WR sets...we'll see. That may very well start off like that.

Just yesterday you posted that you want to debate with people without the insults yet you immediately call my comments (which clearly differ from yours) "BS speculation". Do you mind practicing what you preach? You're more of a hypocrite than Tony Grossi during free agency.

Again, practice what you preach. I don't know how many times people have had to tell you this. You strut around here patronizing people, qualifying which posts are good and which are bad, how people should respond to you, with clearly no intent on following anything you say yourself. Grow up.

Skrine has proven himself to be a valuable piece to have but if somebody is filling his head with notions that he is a "shutdown" corner or the kind of guy you put on an island and don't worry about him... then they are fooling themselves.

If he left here because Joe Haden is pretty young and he was worried that would prevent him from being "THE guy" in Cleveland... well that's just asinine...

And for the record, I don't think it's true at all.

He left for the money.. It's as simple as that

Browns now find themselves in the position of possibly needing to use a high draft pick on a CB, unless they sign Perish Cox or Brandon Browner. In a way its analogous to their situation at QB where they are stuck wondering if their 1st round pick will be able to contribute, because, like Manziel, we just don't know what to expect from Justin Gilbert. If the Browns whiff on Cox and Browner, then they have to at least consider using one of the #1's, or a #2 at CB. I don't think any of us were anticipating that.

Skrine made major improvements each year he played. I'm crazy to think Skrine doesn't continue elevating his game. He will receive further tutoring from one of the best corners in the league. I believe Skrine will become a top corner in this league just as I believe Hayden will. Why the label "asinie" simply because you don't agree?

We don't know what Skrine's ceiling is, but the way he has continued to develop leads one to think (as you do) that he has more room before peaking. The only issue that may prevent him from becoming a top CB is his lack of height...

I'd hope they focus more on getting Browner and if that don't go through, then to Cox. I just don't want to see another Gilbert like pick. Pay a veteran you know will fit into your scheme and handle the assignments given!

If you read the context, I was referring to Skrine being asinine if he left here because he thought he couldn't be the #1 CB on a team with Joe Haden.... or if being the #1 CB on a team is even all that important. It's not like the #2 CB gets his minutes reduced. I wasn't calling the poster with an opinion asinine.

You do realize Revis is 2" taller than Skrine. Maybe that is considerable I don't know.

It's not just that Skrine is 2" shorter, it's that he "plays" SO MUCH shorter than your average corner..

Kinda like how everyone thought Kevin Love was 6'10, if not taller, for the first stretch of his career.. He's a solid 6'8.. But he rebounds like a 7 footer...

The Jets have since added Cromartie and Revis.

I wonder if Skrine is regretting this deal a little?

I wonder if the Jets told him he was going to be competing for the #1 CB spot.

Cromartie @ 4yrs, $32M.

I think I'd be utterly sick to my stomach if I were a Jets fan. Maybe they're thinking one of those three signings can play on their horrible offense? Or maybe they're banking on a record setting year of pick sixes?

I really don't understand that line of thinking. If you look at the CB market, he was signed to a modest deal. Anything less would certainly be a big time low ball offer. Now if you're saying he left because the Browns either didn't offer him a deal or tried to seriously low ball him, then I would have to agree.

Because he has a right to. That's why!

Why do you post here? To gang up on people who don't agree w/you and the majority?

If so, that sucks for you.........and most of the board.

I don't always agree w/Spirit, but he has a right to post his thoughts on here..........just as much as you do.