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Haha thanks guys for the peer support I feel better knowing I'm not the only one stressing about things...I have no agenda against the team or ownership, however coming off our 7-9 season (which sadly is like a pinnacle season for us Browns fans) ...I was hoping wed be intent on upgrading our team and adding at least a couple impact players...With the on going saga here, it really looks to be taking its toll that incoming FAs and even our own FAs try avoiding us at all costs...

I used to wonder why SpiritBro felt so much disgust...its March 12th and in all honesty we shouldn't feel this bad about our team until 4pm on opening day hahaha

I'm not upset that we aren't keeping Cameron.

I will say that it appears we look foolish, once again.

I have never seen an off season w/so many negative issues as this one.

I do realize that there were off seasons where the moves were more harshly criticized, but I have never seen an off season w/so many "real" disturbing events as this one.

Just did the same.

I was about to hit submit on a post of jubilation...

Then I realized my dyslexia.

Are you asking why the Browns didn't do both?

1. They tried signing Jordan. They made an offer they felt comfortable with and he chose the higher deal (assuming he's saving ~3% in state income tax).
2. I can't comment on what the Browns will plan to do in the draft.

My comment was letting Jordan walk and draft a TE in the mid rounds (3rd-4th). I like our current TEs but wouldn't mind a more balanced TE to grow.

We made a solid pitch and Cameron took it to the opposite field.



That's baseball.

Why not...Because Carucci says so!!BS

The Browns have WAY more Cap to burn than Buffalo & Miami at this point.

They can easily front load the tender ( say 15 Million )in the first two years, guaranteed, say on a 5 yr. deal & both teams would be very hard pressed to match.

Buff & Miami would put themselves in Cap hell for the rest of season with very little financial room.

What we can do and what we will do are two different things.

Dolphins dont intend to remove Clay's transition tender

Your comment came across as an either or scenarios when you said "I'm actually happy he's going to the Dolphins. I'd rather spend a mid round pick on a TE."

Therefore, I was essentially asking, why could we have not done both. I took your comment as if one precluded the other.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/03/jordan_cameron_miami_dolphins.html#incart_m-rpt-1


EVELAND, Ohio -- Guess who else is taking his talents to South Beach?

In a bizarre twist of events, former Browns Pro Bowl tight end Jordan Cameron signed with the Miami Dolphins instead of returning to the Cleveland Browns.

Despite reports by several national reporters that the Browns had reached an agreement on a two-year deal with the Cameron, the two sides had never actually finalized the agreement, and the Dolphins swooped in.

Within a couple of hours, at about 8:45, he signed with Miami, leaving the Browns short on options for a premier tight end.

When reports first surfaced at about 6 p.m. by Yahoo Sports, NFL Network and ESPN that the Browns had reached agreement on a two-year deal with Cameron worth $15 million, a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group that no deal had been struck at that time.

As the evening wore on, Charles Robinson of Yahoo reported that not only did the Browns not have a deal, but that the Dolphins were close to finalizing a contract with Cameron.

It was a dramatic turn of events after the Browns thought they had reached at least a verbal agreement with their former Pro Bowl tight end.

Well, this is a weird situation.

I'm not that upset about this. I still think that Barnidge and Dray will do fine.

So they're going to tie up almost 15mil in tightends? After the Suh contract? They can't intend to carry both into the season. They want someone to over pay, which might happen. I would rather have Clay than Cameron.

If by fine you mean about par for the Browns which means below average than yea, they'll probably do fine.

Well, they need someone to play after Cameron gets another concussion.

We have to start winning or we are going to continue to lose good players and not get good players. I know Cameron is a risk with his concussion history, but every player in football is an injury risk. It's not hard to understand why guys leave or why they don't want to come to Cleveland. No one wants to play for a loser. The Browns really have their work cut out for themselves.

I think Cameron is soft and I am happy he got 7 mil a year for Miami. We will probably get a 3rd or 4th out of him in next years stacked draft. Yay us. I would not trade dray or Barnidge for him. I think Farmer was dumb to offer 7 mil a year to the guy.

Haha. Or wait, is this a sad commentary?

Well, maybe this is a blessing. Who knows, we could get a diamond in the rough at TE if our luck changes. Sorry, but I'm the eternal optimist. C'mon Browns , make some noise.

Good luck to the Fins.Jordan can't stay healthy.

I'm thinking we should throw an offer sheet to Clay. Something like 5 years 30 mil with 15 guaranteed - 0 signing bonus and 10m fully guaranteed first year salary, 5m roster bonus and 2m salary year 2, 3m salary year 3, 4m salary year 4 and 6m year 5 - assuming we're allowed to do that.

Reasonable for the Browns over the life of the deal, and makes it difficult for Miami to match it because of the cap hit year 1.

Good post club...also do we owe Miami a draft pick if we do indeed sign Clay? I know he was tendered, but unaware at what rate

What a original idea.

I wish I would of thought of that.

transition tag meaning he will get about 7 mil for one year if he signs with them but if he signs somewhere else they have the right to match but they wont get a pick from it.

I just read 18 unbelievable pages.

My conclusion is the Browns owner, the "texting" GM and the team still SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, he's transition tag, just like Mack was last year. If he signs our offer, Miami has 7 days to match. If they do not, we get him without surrendering any picks. If they do, then they have to agree to the identical terms we offer him.

Didn't read every post.



edit: wow, that was pretty darn close to what you said with just more detail. I'd say great minds think alike, but I'm not often put into that category

We wouldn't match Skrine's offer, but now we are going to break the bank on an above-average tight end? That makes no sense. If we do that, it is a panic move. Stick to the plan (if there is one).

No argument. The only two things that makes me think that we may do something with Clay is that I read (I'll try to find it and post it) that (a) Clay has been one of our main targets and (b) maybe the FO believes we're in better shape with our DBs than with our TEs

edit: heres one:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_...rget-for-browns

"If there is one" being the key point.

If there is a plan, it will be news to me.

Glad I don't believe every little peep that flows across the Twitterverse.

Nothing is ever really done until it has been announced by the team... not some schmoe on the internet.

I never rely on MKC, that's for sure.

We don't know if there is one or not. We definitely shouldn't try and guess what it is after two days.

I understand we are only two days into the new year. I get that it's too early to panic and I'm not panicking; I'm merely stating my doubts that Farmer has a clue as to what he is doing. I hope he proves me wrong. But I'm not signing up for season tickets, I'll say that much.

I'm not signing up for season tickets either.

We lost what? 3 or 4 decent starters from last years team with no one replacing them? All we have to show for it are 2 horrendous free agents and a slot WR. I'd say it is time to panic.

Ideally we have the replacements for Skrine and Sheard in house. Cameron being gone leaves a gaping hole on offense. We have no big time threats at receiver.

I hope the "texting" GM has something cooking. I think he is being schooled. So now, I feel like becoming and Eagles fan.
That wasn't easy to type...

They are looking good and I still think Chip intends on getting Mariotta.