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The only thing I'm not happy about is how this whole thing went down, and I'm not ready to hang that on our FO. I'm sorry, but to say this whole thing is because of a fumbling bumbling FO just doesn't seem to jive with the info out there. If I had to guess, Cameron wanted to bolt for a place with a better QB/offense situation, and so his agent leaked the offer. Maybe I'm biased towards giving our FO the benefit of the doubt all the time, but I just think agent and media shenanigans is the more logical explanation here.

As for not bringing him back, I'm 100% fine with that. In the spectrum of who I'm most bummed about not bringing back, Cameron is all the way on the edge of 'not bummed', with Sheard and Hoyer in the middle and Skrine somewhere on the other side. Assuming the guy is magically 100% healthy and won't ever get another bump on the head, he's not fit for a system that features a strong running game. It's been said 1000 times already, but if Norv Turner were still here running his Air Coryell offense (or the offense was even going to shift more in that direction), vs a run-heavy offense that we will supposedly be going with this season, then I would feel completely different.

He sucks at blocking and we need our TE to run-block. End of story. Have fun in Miami, Jordan.

Anyway ... time to update the title in the thread.

The more I think about this, the more I am torn.

2 years ago, we saw the huge potential that Cameron has. He has rare speed/quicks for the position, and can burn the middle of the defense. He is a big receiver, with soft hands.

That said, he also has inconsistent hands far too often. He is absolutely more receiver than rounded TE. Blocking will never be a strong point for him, but he can learn, as Ozzie did, to kind of get in the way of a defender. He also is hurt a great deal. The 3 concussions are a huge concern.

I am still torn on him leaving. He can be a very useful weapon, and this team needs weapons. However, to be valuable, he has to be on the field.

I do hate the way things like this make the Browns look. Hopefully, though, it conveys a message to Haslam, and shows him that the stupidity has to stop. He has a well respected coach, and that is something to build upon.

I do not want to overstate what these individual players mean though, especially before we see the final product we wind uo with on the field this coming year.

I dunno. I am torn and keep going around on this stuff.

Looks like Cameron wasn't a fan of Johnny, huh?

I wasn't a huge Jordan Cameron fan, but why do I feel like him, Skrine, Hoyer, and Sheard all leaving feels like rats fleeing a sinking ship?

Shots fired!

Just got done reading many posts here. Ewww boy. LOL

I read it that way as well.

Brian Hartline: "What the hell is going on here?"

Several have said it, in addition to me, and I'll continue to beat this drum.

Cameron was/is good in a system like Norv Turner's, which along with throwing the ball a ton, also features a pass-catching TE. It's not a coincidence that Cameron's only good year coincided with Norv's time here.

With us being a run-first team, where a TE is tasked with staying in to block more than running routes, ponying up for a guy like Cameron doesn't make sense.

Draft or sign a guy that can block and will catch passes thrown to him. When I think of my ideal TE, I think of Greg Olsen. He blocks well, and has great hands. He's NOT going to torch linebackers down the field, like Cameron can.

Cameron is great when you're playing the matchup game with him. He outruns any LB and out-muscles any CB. If that's not your gameplan, he loses all of his value.

Considering that most NFL teams carry 3 TEs, I don't know why you can't have both. You are not likely to have 3 who can all catch well and block well. Having one that is WR/TE hybrid, tall in the redzone and can split the seam with good speed is a good thing to have.

I would have preferred that he stay here but truth be told, he's a boom or bust kinda guy. Not because of talent, but because one good hit and he could be done.

He's a guy that should consider retirement for his own good. But I wish him well.

He said a positive thing about his new QB.. what did you expect., That doesn't mean he wasn't a fan of Johnny!

Let's look at each guy that left:

Skrine, wish we could have kept him but he went for $. Can't blame him at all.

Hoyer, I thought he was a better option than McCown but then again, he wasn't the answer anyway.

Sheard, Again, I'd have like to keep him, but it didn't seem as if he was a fit with what we do now. Listen, if you have a chance to join a team like the Pats to play in a system that fits your skills and get a bunch of doe to boot, you gotta do it. Don't blame him.

Cameron, would have preferred him to stay, but again,like I said, he's one good hit away from never playing. By all accounts, he doesn't fit what we do now.

They may be rats, but the ship is still sailing. Look who we let leave: Hoyer wanted to be the starter, I don't think he wanted to battle it out with JM for the spot. And for whatever reason we really did not want him back. Best that we parted ways. Sheard...Looks like he just did not fit our D. Can you blame the FO for not trying to pound square pegs into round holes? If they did keep him how many would be saying exactly that? I thought we were trying for yrs. to quit pounding square pegs into round holes? Now it's a problem?

Skrine was good and then he wasn't. Middle of the road guy. Can be replaced. Not like we lost JT or JH. We are keeping who we think are the best fits. Then we'll add some more in the draft. We just need to weed out the "rats" and keep the ones who want to be here. Nothing wrong with that.

Daman,

I'm not usually one to try to read the media-speak, but that seems like a skillfully placed compliment to Tanny. It meshes too well with those reports on Manziel not taking his job seriously and not putting in the work. The simple reality is that he's a pass-catcher, and their pass-throwing situation is miles better than ours. We can get into the drama all we want, but they have a guy that throws the ball better than we do, period.

Agreed on Sheard. I would have loved to keep him, as he has enough talent. I think him playing within a developed, single system will allow him to really grow into the player that many of us thought he'd be. This one could end up hurting the most after a year or two. As of now, though... he's not the best fit for what we're doing.

Skrine is the one I'm probably the most worried about. A cursory look at his contract numbers have me scratching my head. Other than Gipson, this guy was the most important guy we were to keep. Pettine loves and needs good CBs, and Skrine is young and showed steady improvement throughout his time here. All of the requirements were there to keep the guy, and he goes and signs a very reasonable contract with someone else (and that someone else is also in the middle of a rebuild with just as many question marks throughout their team and org as we do). I've been laughing at the doom-and-gloomers this offseason, but I'm not laughing about Skrine deciding to leave (and that's with an understanding that we have a good shot at landing a FA that would fill this void).

Again, I think it depends on who wants to be here. If for whatever reason, he didn't then onward and upward. Maybe bright lights big city was to much for him.

j/c:



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This had been my hope from the beginning. Not necessarily including Clay but that kind of TE setup.

And to me this is something people are missing. I'm not really too disappointed that Cameron is gone. With the concussion issue, I'm very worried about his durability. When you miss five weeks due to a concussion, that becomes a very real concern.

But the bigger picture is the reality of what this FO thought. No matter what we as fans think, this FO didn't offer him a 15 mil. contract because they didn't want him. They didn't offer him more than both of our other TE's combined make because they felt he didn't fit into their plans.

They offered him that big deal because they do want a TE that is a true threat and obviously felt he was such a TE. Otherwise, you don't offer him that contract to begin with. That's an obvious swing and a miss no matter how people try to spin it.

So you believe that this FO offered Cameron 15 mil. because he didn't fit what they wanted to do? Because he wasn't the kind of TE they wanted here?

When you put it like that. . .

One TE to keep in mind, and is available as an UFA, is Rob Housler of the Cardinals. He is 26, 6'5", and fast for a TE. Similar to Cameron, he is not much of a blocker...

Unlike Cameron, he has never been any good.

It seems like the Cards let him walk as he doesn't fit Arian's scheme. Sounds familiar...

They blew it in several different ways. First off, he should have had an extension before the season even started. Second, if an extension was not possible they should have transition tagged him. Third, the contract details leaked before he signed and the Dolphins gave him the exact same deal.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying Cameron wasn't a fit? If so why did we try and re-sign him? And if Cameron wasn't a fit, why would we sign Housler (who you say is similar to Cameron)?

I still feel that the Browns will make a play for Clay.


- The Browns are on record to be interested in Clay. He fits the H Back/Tight End/ blocker they want in this offence.
- The transition tag is still active
- Miami has very little cash at this point. It will tough to trade Wallace (9.85 Cap ) & if he's cut, approx. 7 million in dead money.
- Buff. is now very low on cash after signing Harvin. A front loaded tender will put them out of the mix.
- His team went out and paid 15 million for another tight end, I don't think that could sit well with the guy.
- Plus don't you think the Browns would like to stick it to Miami, I sure would!

Sure I would have liked to have Cameron back, but in my opinion he is one good hit to the head from being out of the league for good. If we don't sign Clay, which I don't care either way, we draft Maxx Williams at #19.

If Clay is still unsigned in a week or two, I think we will have a chance of signing him. Right now? No.

I didn't say or mean to imply that Cameron wasn't a good fit here. My intention was to point out that Housler sounds like a similar player to Cameron. Perhaps I expressed my intent poorly...

It amazes me the things Django criticizes this front office for. He would absolutely H-A-T-E being a Seahawks fan.

This IMO simply isn't true. If Pet wanted JC bad enough, then they would have tagged him. Health was the concern here. Like I said before, one good hit to the head, and he's spoon fed. He had a hard time staying on the field anyway, we won't miss him. We have not really lost anybody that can't be replaced with equal value.

You don't offer a two year 15mil. contract to a guy you don't want to keep.

Who says they offered it? It was rumored to be put out there by JC's agent. And even if they did, they could have tagged him and been done with it. No, if they wanted him bad enough they would have done so. Then again like I said, if you don't want to be here, seeya, we'll find someone who does.

I'm not saying they wanted him at all costs. What I'm saying is they did want him and targeted him with a good offer. It's not like they didn't care or didn't try.

That's about it, in a nutshell.

Who the hell are you to tell Pit to take a walk. He's been around longer than you.

Mind your own freaking business in regards to who is a fan and who isn't.

For my 2 cents - I don't think he was worth the contract as he was too big a risk to stay healthy or perform at his best. . . At his best he would be worth the contract, but there are just too many question marks about the chances of this happening.

Flip has stated somewhere that a pass catching TE is a major feature of the offense he wants to run... I can't site the report where I read this but it's within the last 2-3 weeks. I would love to sign Clay to a deal Miami can't match. He seems to be the last TE that would be in the 'very good' category. But who knows. Dray and Barnidge both stepped up and did great in spells, but I wouldn't feel great about them being 1 and 2 on the roster come opening day.

Geez, jump to conclusions much?

He wasn't telling Pit to leave. He was saying if Cam didn't want to be here, fine - leave.

Come on man - re-read the post you responded to. (in a level headed manner.)

Go away, arch.

Yeah, I was looking for what Vers was responding to and couldn't find it. Figured it was on a previous page.