DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jordan Cameron Signs with Dolphins

Why? You got all over bleed over something he never said (in regards to pit). Comprehension. Try it.

Why? Because I think you are the worst sort of poster and I no longer wish to talk w/you.

Go bother someone else to get your fix of superiority. I'm done w/you.

j/c

Dolphins just traded away Wallace.

Opens up $ if they want to sign Clay.

Who was dumb enough to trade for Wallace?

Please don't tell me it was us.

You're in luck. It was your new favorite team.

Who is that? Green Bay? Why would they want Wallace?

Nice. I might join you on that.

I wonder what it would be like to have a decade great QB, then when he leaves, have another decade great QB waiting to take his place.

Rumor is the Rams put in their relocation request today. Why can't the Browns move instead? Then we can all be free to go with the team of our choice.

I like the sound of that.

LOL.............you're really not going to tell me who he went to?

That's cold, Rish.

And btw.........guys like you and I are too loyal/dumb to go root for another team. We'll always be Brown's fans. I just like how GB goes about things. Small market. Tradition. Great qb. History. Rabid fans. Cold weather. Class. They are my second favorite team.

But, I don't get why they would want Wallace?

Vikings.

Nope, it is a curse.

Ahhh............now I get why you said that.

Don't like the Vikings. They have very little talent. They better get some in a hurry or they are going to ruin Bridgewater.

As far as Cameron goes, I didn't care if he stayed or left. He wasn't on the field much last year, and I truly believe he didn't, and hasn't wanted to play here for quite some time.

He was a legit target, and show some good stuff at times. But IMO if a player is just biding their time in a place they don't want to be, I have to question their effort.

I think the guy is a warm weather person, and I don't think it was all about the team.

Anyway, I think he can be replaced. Not that he is not a good player, just that I think one thing spread offenses in college to, is create guys like him. Pass catching big guys, with speed. I never saw him as elite, and believe scheme had something to do with his big season.

You try so hard to look for things that you see things that simply are not there.

You owe bleed an apology. He was talking about a player not wanting to be here. It was as plain as day. Geesh.

Vers: I think you mis-read bleed's post to Pit.

I think his lack of quotation marks may have misled you.

As I interpreted his post, bleeds was speaking from the team's perspective. as in: "If you don't want to be here, we'll sign someone to replace you."

I really don't think he was trying to diss Pit. I think he was writing the way we speak to each other from across the table. Do yourself a favor- go back and re-read bleed's post. When you get to the part you found objectionable think: "Browns address Cameron with this sentiment...."

I could be wrong, but that's how I read his post.

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My own personal writing style here is much more formal than many posters for this very reason... I'd rather use more words up-front, and not be misinterpreted, than have to come back later, and explain what I meant. Written word is a poor substitution for face-to-face conversation, you know?

You can always ask him what he meant, too... just for clarity's sake.

What sums up can leaving is not enough warm beaches hot sand babe's in bikinis and ocean breeze. Surfer boy always hated Cleveland so I don't care if the door hits him in the ass on his way out

That's the way I see it too.

Isn't this exactly why we never allowed twitter as a source before? It is often reported before being confirmed in the rush to be first.

As to perception. I think much of that is created by the media. They have to have something to jump on.


My feeling on Cameron is maybe we really didn't want to bring him back, thus, no tag. Maybe our medical staff has the feeling the guy has some serious problems concussion releted and it would be better for us to wash our hands of that.

That's just me thinking out loud here, but once a player starts dealing with concussion after concussion, that problem doesn't get any better with time.

I hate to be late to my own butt-ripping, but.....

Sorry man, but I did not tell ANYBODY (on here) to take a walk. Arch & YTown are right, I was talking about the player. If JC does not want to be here, (and that's the way it sounds) then don't let the door hit ya. As far as Pit goes I like him, we just don't see eye to eye on somethings, I know he's right more than he's wrong.

I've been around on all these different boards since '01 so I've been around myself. I just stated what I felt about JC that's all. Back to black now.....

Not to mention, as much as i hate to say it or think it, he's a marked man.

What I mean by that is everyone knows his problem, and all it takes is one cheap shot and he's out.

I suppose there could be some element of that, but I don't think it would be that widspread. I at least hope not.

You are right. I was wrong. I apologize. Sincerely.

Yes, that is why I was strongly opposed to Twitter being allowed and am still of that mindset

I like to know stuff fast also, But I'd much rather know the facts fast. Knowing Bull fast is not worth the time. and look at the stir it caused.

Geez- uuusss. Elf! I would hope that that would not be the case. I would hope that all of these guys realize how fragile their careers are at this level and would not stoop to those kinds of tactics to win. As much as you may be right about one hit ending his career, I hope you are wrong about how it might happen.

People realize that stories posted online through credible media sources also get things wrong from time to time, right?

Also, I wasn't the least bit upset about losing Cameron.

1. The injuries worry me

2. We run the ball like crap when he's on the field. Until we have a real QB we are going to be dependent on running the ball to get any sort of QB play.

I was hoping we would draft a TE somewhere anyway.

its ok if you use it in a tread already active. just can not believe anyone would be stupid enough to start a thread with it. its not like it was not talked about for a year how the guy wanted out of here.

Report: Browns offered Jordan Cameron to Seattle for Percy Harvin

Last season, the Seahawks stunned many by dealing wide receiver Percy Harvin to the Jets.

However, it appears the Jets weren’t the only club to make a play for Harvin.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns tried to acquire Harvin from Seattle in exchange for tight end Jordan Cameron.

Ultimately, Harvin ended up in New York, and Cameron stayed in Cleveland. Since then, Harvin has signed on with the Bills, and Cameron has joined the Dolphins after seemingly being set to re-sign with the Browns.

Nevertheless, a Cameron-Harvin deal is fun to ponder after the fact. Cameron — who later missed five games with a concussion — would have given Seattle a proven pass catching threat at tight end. And a Harvin-Josh Gordon-Andrew Hawkins-Miles Austin receiving corps would have been quite a formidable one for Cleveland for the stretch run.

Alas, it was not to be.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...r-percy-harvin/

no doubt about it. Percy Harvin plays like a brown.

Percy Harvin is a really bad guy.

So, why didn't we sign him when he became available?

I don't believe everything I read.

you mean those 3 days he was on the open market? lmao farmer waited until the last minute to try to sign cameron. think he can move that fast?

How Jordan Cameron signed with the Dolphins instead of the Cleveland Browns

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns thought they had a deal with their Pro Bowl tight end Jordan Cameron Thursday night -- until news was leaked to the national media that they had already re-signed him and the deal blew up, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.

The Dolphins jumped in and matched the Browns' offer, and Cameron signed with Miami instead of Cleveland for essentially the same amount: two years for $15 million, but with a different structure.

Granted, nothing had been finalized with the Browns by Thursday evening, but Cameron's new agents, Tom Condon and R.J. Gonser approved of the terms of the deal and things were headed in the right direction.

If all went as planned, Cameron would agree to terms Thursday night and sign the Browns' deal soon after.

Instead, someone -- presumably in Cameron's camp -- leaked the news shortly before 6 p.m. to three respected members of the national media that Cameron had re-signed with the Browns -- not just agreed to terms. The tweets, by Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Rand Getlin of Yahoo Sports and Adam Schefter of ESPN, all came within four minutes of each other: at 5:55, 5:56 and 5:59.

" Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet
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Jordan Cameron done w/ Cleveland, 2 yrs $15M, source says #Browns
5:55 PM - 12 Mar 2015"

" Rand Getlin ✔ @Rand_Getlin
Follow

TE Jordan Cameron has signed with the #Browns. It's a two-year, $15M deal, per a source.
5:56 PM - 12 Mar 2015"

A few minutes later, a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group that an agreement had not yet been reached despite the national reports. The feeling was, however, that something could happen soon.

When reports broke that Cameron was back with the Browns, he was actually still sitting inside the Dolphins facility, apparently hoping to sign with Miami. He had spent the entire day there and loved the organization. He was excited about quarterback Ryan Tannehill, the signing of Ndamukong Suh and all the things he heard during his visit.

The Dolphins, who placed the transition tag on their own free agent tight end Charles Clay and planned to sign him to an extension, sprang to action when they saw that Cameron had re-signed with the Browns. They called his agents and discovered that the deal hadn't actually been inked yet -- that there was still time to swoop in and snatch him away from the Browns. They hadn't made an offer to that point -- but quickly improved on the Browns' deal.

The tug-of-war for the Pro Bowler was played out on twitter.

At 7:47 p.m. Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted that "contrary to reports, tight end Jordan Cameron will be signing with the Dolphins, not the Browns. Contract details are being finalized now.''

" Charles Robinson ✔ @CharlesRobinson
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Contrary to reports, tight end Jordan Cameron will be signing with #Dolphins - not #Browns. Contract details are being finalized right now.
7:47 PM - 12 Mar 2015"

At 8:35 p.m., Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports tweeted that Cameron had a verbal agreement with the Browns for two years, $15 million.

Twelve minutes later, Robinson tweeted: "...It's done. Jordan Cameron has signed with the Miami Dolphins.''

At 9:16, the Miami Dolphins proclaimed: "We have signed Jordan Cameron!''

" Miami Dolphins ✔ @MiamiDolphins
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Welcome to Miami! We have signed Jordan Cameron! #StrongerTogether
9:16 PM - 12 Mar 2015"

The Dolphins jumped in and matched the Browns' offer, and Cameron signed with Miami instead of Cleveland for essentially the same amount: two years for $15 million, but with a different structure.

Granted, nothing had been finalized with the Browns by Thursday evening, but Cameron's new agents, Tom Condon and R.J. Gonser approved of the terms of the deal and things were headed in the right direction.

If all went as planned, Cameron would agree to terms Thursday night and sign the Browns' deal soon after.

Instead, someone -- presumably in Cameron's camp -- leaked the news shortly before 6 p.m. to three respected members of the national media that Cameron had re-signed with the Browns -- not just agreed to terms. The tweets, by Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Rand Getlin of Yahoo Sports and Adam Schefter of ESPN, all came within four minutes of each other: at 5:55, 5:56 and 5:59.

A few minutes later, a source told Northeast Ohio Media Group that an agreement had not yet been reached despite the national reports. The feeling was, however, that something could happen soon.

When reports broke that Cameron was back with the Browns, he was actually still sitting inside the Dolphins facility, apparently hoping to sign with Miami. He had spent the entire day there and loved the organization. He was excited about quarterback Ryan Tannehill, the signing of Ndamukong Suh and all the things he heard during his visit.

The Dolphins, who placed the transition tag on their own free agent tight end Charles Clay and planned to sign him to an extension, sprang to action when they saw that Cameron had re-signed with the Browns. They called his agents and discovered that the deal hadn't actually been inked yet -- that there was still time to swoop in and snatch him away from the Browns. They hadn't made an offer to that point -- but quickly improved on the Browns' deal.

The tug-of-war for the Pro Bowler was played out on twitter.

At 7:47 p.m. Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports tweeted that "contrary to reports, tight end Jordan Cameron will be signing with the Dolphins, not the Browns. Contract details are being finalized now.''

At 8:35 p.m., Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports tweeted that Cameron had a verbal agreement with the Browns for two years, $15 million.

Twelve minutes later, Robinson tweeted: "...It's done. Jordan Cameron has signed with the Miami Dolphins.''

At 9:16, the Miami Dolphins proclaimed: "We have signed Jordan Cameron!''

It wasn't exactly LeBron James taking his talents to South Beach, but it was still a punch in the gut to Browns fans needing some good news. Inside the walls of Berea, however, the Browns were not devastated by the departure.

In fact, they had tried to trade Cameron to the Seattle Seahawks last season for Percy Harvin, who was ultimately dealt to the Jets, a source told NEOMG. Cameron was looking for long-term deal worth about $8 million a year before last season, and the Browns weren't prepared to pay that much. Talks broke off and didn't resume until the season was over.

Cameron was not even the Browns' top priority tight end in free agency, according to sources. In fact, they really wanted to sign Clay, who received the transition tag of $7.017 million, which hasn't yet been removed despite the fact the Dolphins have signed Cameron.

But when it became apparent that the Bills were more likely to land Clay, the Browns' interest in Cameron perked up. For Cameron's part, he was prepared to move on if necessary, thinking a fresh start might be good for him. In his four seasons with the Browns, he had been through three different coaching staffs and countless quarterbacks.

The Bills are still in hot pursuit of Clay, and will likely make an offer within the next few days. With Cameron under contract, it's highly unlikely the Dolphins will match. Clay, who is not believed to be an option for the Browns, spent three days in Buffalo this week, even looking at houses. The Dolphins wanted to keep him, but brought Cameron to town on Thursday when it appeared Clay would be lost to the Bills.

The Browns, meanwhile, liked Cameron, but only at the right price, and decided not place the transition or franchise tag ($8.347 million) on him. Like other teams, they were somewhat concerned about the concussion history, which included three concussions in the span of about two years.

Their mindset was to let him hit the free agent market and set his price. Meanwhile, they expressed interest in a few tight ends, such as Cincinnati's Jermaine Gresham, who's still on the market, Panthers' tight end Ed Dickson, who re-signed with Carolina, and former Eagles tight end James Casey, who's also still available.

During his introductory press conference on Friday, Cameron stressed that he never had a verbal agreement with the Browns, or any kind of agreement on a deal. Nevertheless, someone -- presumably in his camp -- told three powerhouse news outlets that he had re-signed with the Browns, and within hours, he had a similar deal with Miami.

One source said, however that Cameron's contract with the Dolphins might not be as good as it sounds. It includes $5 million guaranteed -- and up to $2.5 million in bonuses for 2015 that are dependent on him being on the gameday roster. If he plays, he gets an extra $150,000 or so per game. His $7.5 million salary for 2016 is not guaranteed, meaning the Dolphins are off the hook if he can't stay healthy. At worst, it could be a one-year deal worth anywhere from $5 million to $7.5 million.

As for the Browns, they're still in the market for a tight end, and might now have to look for one in the draft.

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I'd like to believe as you do... but they're out there.

At least Cabot is owning up to her mistake.

I for one am glad Cameron is gone. He is overrated to say the least. Good luck staying healthy in Miami.
I like Barnidge and Dray. When they are called upon, they produce, plus they can block. If you don't want to play for this organization,(I can understand not wanting to)see ya.........

When I read the thread's original title, I was surprised- but not really all that elated. When it was corrected to reflect the new info, I was like: "meh. OK- I guess."

He was exciting to watch in Norv's O, and made some great plays.

HOWEVER: I kinda got used to him not being on the field last year, and enjoyed watching Dray & Barnidge play pretty well in his absence.

I'm going to find it hard to really miss him, since I feel like we only 'sorta' ever had him in the first place.

I was more bummed to see us lose Buster.... as I enjoyed watching him learn the game throughout his first contract. I had a li'l bit of an emotional investment in his career, because so many fans called him 'trash' right out of the gate. He turned around a good number of opinions on this board, and it was fun to witness. I really think that he hasn't yet hit his ceiling, and could become a top-10-15 DB if he ever stops being so "handsy."

Oh well... that's why we have a draft every year.

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I liked Skrine too, but its seems like 2 or 3 times a game I would be yelling "turn around" at Buster trailing a WR. So many completions against him that should have been picks if he had only played the ball, instead of the receiver. I think he might learn that, and if he does he'll be very good CB because he has such an exceptional closing burst.

I wouldn't say I am "glad he's gone" but I will say I am not going to lose the slightest bit of sleep that he is gone though. I just don't understand the widespread panic that losing Jordan has seemed to generate with a few people. This dude at work feels like the sky is falling. Heck, losing Buster was a bigger hit than Jordan.

Maybe if we had Norv Turner's offense and pass-happy play calling style here, then yeah it would have been a bigger hit. But we don't and for Miami to say the concussions weren't a concern to them is either a huge lie, or a huge pile of stupidity.

You can say that again.He should get the "Shawn Lauvao" Award for being the most over rated.
I hope Dolphins are ready for a cupcake at TE who won't block and won't bulldoze LBs.
Wow Heckert really talent cupboard dry for Farmer.