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not at all. i am faulting him for not resigning talent or bringing in competition for his draft picks.

Farmer has picked up Taylor's option, extended Haden on a giant contract, matched a giant offer sheet for Mack in his one year, and extended Hughes. He tried to re-sign Cameron and will likely sign Gipson to an extension.

So. . . you're wrong.

your wrong on haden. the gipson he got on the cheap. Cameron he tried to trade last year why you think he made a great effort to resign him is beyond me.

Haden signed his extension in May of last year.

Gipson will get an extension.

Cameron was at least offered a contract (it seems).

Stop making things up. Or do keep doing it and even less people will take you seriously.

macks contract is a 2 year rentel and taylers is a 1 year rentel. the only one with a long term contract is hughes.

You're wrong and you have no real evidence to back up your points. Stop trying to mislead people. It makes no sense.

yea. your right. thought haden was under banner. oops lol

Anyone Farmer brings in as a FA is going to be "His Guy" as much as the draft pick was.... I don't see how your argument holds water.

Seems like Farmer has made his evaluations and is making offers accordingly. Seems that he doesn't have the same opinion as some on here. . . . that doesn't mean he is trying to play favorites with his draft picks. Good lord - the treatment Gilbert got last year should totally disperse any notion that anyone has an automatic shoe in to start.

West too.

Uhmmm..........we let Skrine walk and kept the idiot Gilbert.

Are you serious?

I think he is referring to the fact that Gilbert was benched multiple times (he was active but hardly played). He would've played even less if Williams didn't get hurt.

I know what he was referring too.

However, ignoring the fact that Skrine was allowed to walk and we kept Gilbert despite how terrible he performed is ignoring reality.

He was deliberately trying to mislead the readership.

Right. But he was referring to another poster who said that Farmer only wants his draft picks to play.

Yes. That was what I was referring to. Sorry if that wasn't clearer.

Did that happen inn year one? Did draft picks get a free pass to the starting role?

Let's look.

Manziel and Gilbert? Nope.

Bitonio? Yeah, he started from day one.

Kirksey? He played quite a bit, and played well, for the most part.

West? He started some, and got sat down when he screwed around in practice.

Desir? He didn't see the field until late in the season.

What draft picks did the front office force the coaches to put on the field no matter what?

Doesnt matter, they didnt resign Hoyer. Farmer is now the Devil.

'Colts release Trent Richardson: Here's 3 lowlights from his Indy career'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...his-indy-career

They really tried with him, I'll give 'em that much.

S.S.D.Y. Same sh.. different year. I wonder if any more of our castoffs in the past 10 years are ready to come back for more money than before? Browns will be the only team in history to have $100 million in salary cap available going into the first game of the season. What are they waiting for? Any player in their right mind with any value at all would exit stage left from the Factory of Sadness for the same pay or a few pennies more. It's just laughable any more. One way to keep our growing list of starting QB's from getting larger is to bring back players who couldn't cut it before. Brilliant.

The'd better start looking around for his successor, and soon.

I'm of the opinion that he might not make it through the entire 2015 season.

Pure speculation, stated as fact. No basis in truth or even anecdotal evidence.



With one draft under his belt, you think you have his number? Cool... what should I play in the next Powerball, Carnac?

Frankly Clem this board is being taken over by whiners and people with agenda. It's not longer about the Browns, its about the Browns bashing.

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» Former Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe is in Cleveland to visit with the Browns on Saturday, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported. The 30-year-old wideout far underperformed his contract in Kansas City, but is still a viable option at receiver. For the Browns -- a team devoid of much talent at the position -- he would be a welcome addition.

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The funny thing about that is a two-point observation:

1. Whining never gets the whiner what (s)he wants; it only serves to irritate the ears of those nearby.
(Screaming infants have NEVER bothered me, even when I was in my 20's... it's always been those bratty whiny-ass 4-year-olds who made me want to grab a rag and a bottle of chloroform...)


2. Agendas are only effective if they are cleverly conceived and artfully artfully executed... and these doofuses ain't exactly Machiavelli, you know?

I've taught myself to navigate a BIG circle around 'the smell'... because where there's a smell- there's always a 'pile' lurking at the center.... knowhatimsayin'?




It's actually pretty easy for me to ignore'em without taking the steps to do it electronically. I call it "speed scrolling." Here's what I do when I open a thread (A 'Clemdawg Tutorial'):

STEP ONE: Click mouse wheel, set page on 'slow auto-scroll.'
STEP TWO: Focus on Screen names at Page Left.
STEP THREE: Cancel auto-scroll ONLY when the screen name belongs to a poster who's earned my time.

Saves a lot of time... AND it still leaves my options open to respond, even if a poster isn't part of the 'First Team.' Rookies, #2's, and even walk-ons have made the cut- and on a somewhat regular basis. Just bring game. It's all I ask.

______________________

It's the bandwidth-wasting 'flame-wars' that forced me to adopt this new tactic. I used to read every single post on every thread I opened. I refuse to do that any more. Coming here is supposed to be a pleasure, not a chore. I aim to keep it that way, even if it means adapting my surfing style to accomplish it.

'Species adaptation' is the key to survival.

I'd like to pine away for the 'good ol' days, but the old board had a ton of this crap too, if I'm going to be truly honest about stuff. People haven't really changed since they showed up on this sphere- and they CERTAINLY haven't changed in the last 20 years or so.

[shakes head slowly]

So at this point in time we have (projected starters):

Offense

QB - ? or McCown or Manziel
RB - West/Crow
FB - ?
WR1 - ?
WR2 - Hartline
WR3 - Hawkins
TE1 - ?
TE2 - Dray or Barnidge (or one of them as TE1)
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
C - Mack
RG - Greco
RT - Schwartz

Defense

DE - Winn
DT - Taylor
DE - D.Bryant
OLB - Kruger
ILB - Kirksey
ILB - Dansby
OLB - Mingo
CB1 - Haden
CB2 - Gilbert
CB3 - Williams
FS - Gipson
SS - Whitner

So:

QB, FB (?),WR1, TE1 biggest needs
with D-line as looking at possible upgrades needing a pass rusher.


As much as some are freaking out about holes, if you look at it on paper (well or text, lol) it doesn't look as bad reading post after post about how we're screwed. When considering there are still FA's out there, add players in the draft and June 1st cuts.

- Yes, the QB position is HUGE we all know that. Not much else to say about it

- Yes Gilbert is a question mark, and sources say the FO has been contacting CB's

- TE, still have a couple out there i.e; Clay, Gresham or maybe looking to draft

- WR1 possible 1st round pick (?) or later and still FA's; Crabtree, Shorts, Bowe, Jennings. Either way these free agents are keeping the WR1 warm for the possible draft pick.

- Also I know we have to fill in spots for the depth chart and ST.


We will need our young players to keep growing (or Gilbert to wake up), players to keep gelling, fill a couple holes, hit on this draft (and next year) and find us a damn QB!

Great work!

At this point I would say that Hartline is our de facto #1 (like Austin last year). Gabriel #2 and Hawkins in the slot.

Unless we get Cooper, White, or Parker I don't see a huge shakeup in that order. If we draft someone like Strong, Agholor, Funchess, Perriman, etc. I would think they would be eased into action (although I personally think Agholor is ready to go right now).

Facemask:

Nice synopsis.

It's not as dire as folks what to make it out to be. Browns have a better core of players than they have in a long time. Much (if not most) of the staff is still together, and we have a nice mix of vets/younglings to move the team forward.

____________

Some of the sentiment you see is based on 'perpetual negativity.' Certain personalities just hang in that direction, you know? Nothing can be done about it- and the internet allows everyone his moment on a public forum.

Some of it is based upon uncertainty: a time-honored constant, where the NFL is involved.

Much of it is due to "Battered Dawg Syndrome." And quite frankly, who can blame any of us for "shrinking under the whip?"

This offseason hasn't yet killed me... but I have to admit that I reached a pretty deep low during the whole Chud/Norv/Horton/Banner/Lombardi episode. This doesn't even come close to that.

Love the list, Dawg- it's a "breath of (objective) fresh air."

Funny part is your DL is even off. Hughes graded unanimously as our best DL for two years now. He will start as he did towards the end of the year over Phil and Winn. A rookie might even get the last spot too. Our DL will be DEEEP.

But CFRS, what are we going to do about finding a FB? Where oh where will we find someone to blast defenders out of the way of our RB, someone who can passblock and then catch an outlet pass and get you 15-20 yards, someone who could even rumble for 10 on a 3rd & 7 draw play? Does that player even exist?

Armonty Bryant is a difference maker on the defensive front.

Who's left

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Keep in mind that franchise tags and re-signings will inevitably deplete the market. Things pick up quickly in the days preceding the March 7 negotiating period, and the market will largely evaporate one week after the official start of free agency on March 10.

Quarterbacks

1. Mark Sanchez (Re-signed 2-year, $9M deal with PHI)
2. Jake Locker (Retired)

3. Josh McCown (Signed 3-year, $14M deal with CLE)

4. Brian Hoyer (Signed 2-year, $10.5M deal with HOU)
5. Matt Moore
6. Ryan Mallett (Re-signed 2-year, $7M deal with HOU)
7. Christian Ponder (Signed undisclosed deal with OAK)
8. Tarvaris Jackson

9. Shaun Hill (Signed 2-year, $6.5M deal with MIN)
10. Michael Vick
11. Matt Hasselbeck (Re-signed 1-year, $3M deal with IND)
12. Colt McCoy
13. Jimmy Clausen (Re-signed 1-year, $1.25M deal with CHI)
14. Jason Campbell
15. Dan Orlovsky (Re-signed 1-year, $1.05M deal with DET)
16. Blaine Gabbert (Re-signed 2-year, $2M deal with SF)
17. Kellen Moore (Re-signed 2-year, $1.825M deal with DET)
18. T.J. Yates (Re-signed 1-year, $1.5M deal with ATL)
19. Tyrod Taylor (Signed 2-year deal with BUF)
20. Matt Flynn

Running Backs

1. DeMarco Murray (Signed 5-year, $40M deal with PHI)
2. C.J. Spiller (Signed 4-year, $18M deal with NO)
3. Ryan Mathews (Signed 3-year, $11M deal with PHI)
4. Mark Ingram (Re-signed 4-year, $16M deal with NO)
5. Justin Forsett (Re-signed 3-year, $9M deal with BAL)
6. Frank Gore (Signed 3-year, $12M deal with IND)
7. Shane Vereen (Signed 3-year, $12.35M deal with NYG)
8. Stevan Ridley
9. Roy Helu (Signed 2-year, $4M deal with OAK)

10. Reggie Bush (Signed undisclosed deal with SF)
11. Pierre Thomas

12. Ahmad Bradshaw
13. Darren McFadden (Signed 2-year, $3M deal with DAL)
14. Knowshon Moreno
15. Ben Tate

16. DeAngelo Williams (Signed 2-year, $4M deal with PIT)

17. Steven Jackson

18. Chris Johnson
19. Antone Smith (Re-signed undisclosed deal with ATL)
20. Jacquizz Rodgers

Fullbacks

1. Jerome Felton (Signed 4-year, $9.2M deal with BUF)
2. Henry Hynoski (Re-signed 2-year, $2.1M deal with NYG)
3. Jed Collins (Signed 1-year, $810K deal with DAL)
4. John Kuhn
5. Tyler Clutts
6. John Conner
7. Will Tukuafu
8. Jackie Battle
9. Montell Owens

Wide Receivers

1. Dez Bryant (Franchise Tagged)
2. Demaryius Thomas (Franchise Tagged)
3. Randall Cobb (Re-signed 4-year, $40M deal with GB)
4. Jeremy Maclin (Signed 5-year, $55M deal with KC)
5. Torrey Smith (Signed 5-year, $40M deal with SF)

6. Andre Johnson (Signed 3-year, $21M deal with IND)

7. Percy Harvin (Agreed to 1-year, $6M deal with BUF)
8. Michael Crabtree

9. Stevie Johnson

10. Dwayne Bowe

11. Kenny Britt (Re-signed 2-year, $14M deal with STL)

12. Greg Jennings
13. Cecil Shorts

14. Brian Hartline (Signed 2-year, $6M deal with CLE)
15. Eddie Royal (Signed 3-year, $15M deal with CHI)
16. Hakeem Nicks
17. Denarius Moore

18. Mike Williams
19. Nate Washington
20. Reggie Wayne

21. Leonard Hankerson (Signed 1-year, $1M deal with ATL)
22. Dwayne Harris (Signed 5-year, $17.5M deal with NYG)

23. Ted Ginn (Signed 2-year, $4.2M deal with CAR)

24. Jacoby Jones (Signed 2-year, $5.5M deal with SD)

25. Harry Douglas (Signed 3-year deal with TEN)
26. Vincent Brown

27. Brandon Gibson (Signed 1-year, $825K deal with NE)
28. Miles Austin
29. Jerrel Jernigan

30. Donnie Avery
31. Marcus Easley (Re-signed 4-year, $7M deal with BUF)
32. Derek Hagan
33. Robert Meachem

34. Lance Moore

35. Brian Tyms (Re-signed undisclosed deal with NE)

36. Jarrett Boykin

Tight Ends

1. Julius Thomas (Signed 5-year, $46M deal with JAX)
2. Jordan Cameron (Signed 2-year, $15M deal with MIA)
3. Charles Clay (Transition Tagged)
4. Jermaine Gresham
5. Niles Paul (Re-signed 3-year, $6M deal with WAS)
6. Virgil Green (Re-signed 3-year, $8.4M deal with DEN)

7. Rob Housler
8. Owen Daniels (Signed 3-year, $12.25M deal with DEN)
9. Lance Kendricks (Re-signed 4-year, $18.5M deal with STL)

10. Zach Miller

11. James Casey

12. Scott Chandler (Signed undisclosed deal with NE)
13. Tony Moeaki
14. Lee Smith (Signed 3-year, $9.1M deal with OAK)

15. Anthony Fasano (Signed 2-year deal with TEN)
16. Matt Spaeth (Re-signed 2-year, $2.2M deal with PIT)
17. Dante Rosario
18. Jacob Tamme
19. Daniel Fells
20. Ed Dickson (Re-signed 3-year, $6.8M deal with CAR)
21. David Ausberry
22. Luke Stocker (Re-signed 3-year, $4.8M deal with TB)

Offensive Tackles

1. Bryan Bulaga (Re-signed 5-year, $33.75M deal with GB)
2. Doug Free (Re-signed 3-year, $15M deal with DAL)
3. Derek Newton (Re-signed 5-year, $26.5M deal with HOU)
4. King Dunlap (Re-signed 4-year, $28M deal with SD)
5. Joe Barksdale
6. Byron Bell
7. Jason Fox (Re-signed 2-year, $2.5M deal with MIA)
8. Jermey Parnell (Signed 5-year, $32M deal with JAX)

9. Jake Long

10. Anthony Collins
11. Ryan Harris
12. Joe Reitz (Re-signed 3-year, $9M deal with IND)
13. Eric Winston (Re-signed 1-year, $950K deal with CIN)
14. Tyler Polumbus
15. Corey Hilliard
16. Marshall Newhouse (Signed 2-year, $3M deal with NYG)

17. Michael Oher (Signed 2-year, $7M deal with CAR)
18. Erik Pears (Signed 2-year deal with SF)
19. Byron Stingily
20. Garry Williams
21. Ben Ijalana

22. Chris Hairston



Guards/Centers

1. Mike Iupati (Signed 5-year, $40M deal with ARZ)
2. Orlando Franklin (Signed 5-year, $35.5M deal with SD)
3. Rodney Hudson (Signed 5-year, $44.5M deal with OAK)
4. Stefen Wisniewski
5. Clint Boling (Re-signed 5-year, $26M deal with CIN)

6. Chris Myers

7. Justin Blalock

8. Todd Herremans (Signed 1-year, $2.25M deal with IND)

9. James Carpenter (Signed four-year, $19.1M deal with NYJ)

10. Brian De La Puente
11. Rob Sims

12. Will Montgomery

13. Lyle Sendlein

14. Scott Wells
15. Dominic Raiola
16. Jonathan Goodwin
17. Willie Colon (Re-signed 1-year deal with NYJ)

18. Mike Pollak

19. Charlie Johnson
20. Joe Berger (Re-signed 2-year, $2.155M deal with MIN)
21. Dan Connolly

22. Shelley Smith (Signed 2-year, $5.65M deal with DEN)

23. Samson Satele
24. A.Q. Shipley (Signed 2-year deal with ARZ)
25. Paul Fanaika (Signed 3-year, $8.1M deal with KC)
26. J.D. Walton
27. Adam Snyder
28. Davin Joseph

29. Chad Rinehart




Edge Defenders

1. Justin Houston (Franchise Tagged)
2. Jerry Hughes (Re-signed 5-year, $45M deal with BUF)
3. Jason Pierre-Paul (Franchise Tagged)
4. Greg Hardy
5. Brian Orakpo (Signed 4-year, $32M deal with TEN)
6. Pernell McPhee (Signed 5-year, $39M deal with CHI)
7. Jabaal Sheard (Signed 2-year, $11M deal with NE)
8. Jason Worilds (Retired)
9. Brandon Graham (Re-signed 4-year, $26M deal with PHI)
10. Derrick Morgan (Re-signed 4-year, $27M deal with TEN)
11. Adrian Clayborn (Signed 1-year, $3M deal with ATL)

12. Michael Johnson
13. Akeem Ayers (Signed 2-year, $6M deal with STL)
14. Brooks Reed (Signed 5-year, $22M deal with ATL)

15. Trent Cole (Signed 2-year, $14M deal with IND)
16. John Abraham
17. George Selvie

18. LaMarr Woodley (Signed 1-year, $950K deal with ARZ)
19. O'Brien Schofield (Signed undisclosed deal with ATL)
20. James Harrison
21. Dwight Freeney
22. Sam Acho
23. Corey Wootton
24. Anthony Spencer
25. Osi Umenyiora
26. Kroy Biermann

27. Mathias Kiwanuka
28. Da'Quan Bowers
29. Shaun Phillips
30. Parys Haralson (Re-signed 1-year deal with NO)
31. Marcus Benard

Interior Defensive Linemen

1. Ndamukong Suh (Signed 6-year, $114M deal with MIA)
2. Nick Fairley (Signed 1-year, $5M deal with STL)
3. Terrance Knighton (Signed 1-year, $4M deal with WAS)
4. Dan Williams (Signed 4-year, $25M deal with OAK)
5. Jared Odrick (Signed 5-year, $42.5M deal with JAX)
6. Stephen Paea (Signed four-year, $21M deal with WAS)
7. C.J. Mosley
8. Henry Melton (Signed 1-year, $3.75M deal with TB)

9. Vince Wilfork

10. Darnell Dockett (Signed 2-year, $7.5M deal with SF)
11. Cory Redding (Signed 2-year, $6M deal with ARZ)

12. Randy Starks

12. Barry Cofield
13. Letroy Guion
14. Corey Peters (Signed 3-year, $10.5M deal with ARZ)
15. B.J. Raji
16. Kevin Williams
17. Kenrick Ellis
18. Ahtyba Rubin

19. Red Bryant
20. Tom Johnson (Re-signed 3-year, $7M deal with MIN)
21. Jarvis Jenkins
22. Alan Branch (Re-signed 2-year, $6.6M deal with NE)
23. Alex Carrington
24. Dwan Edwards (Re-signed 2-year, $4M deal with CAR)
25. Pat Sims
26. Tommy Kelly
27. Mike Patterson

28. Ricky Jean-Francois (Signed 3-year, $9M deal with WAS)

29. Kendall Langford (Signed 4-year, $17.2M deal with IND)

30. Chris Canty
31. Leger Douzable
32. Karl Klug (Re-signed 2-year deal with TEN)
33. Colin Cole (Re-signed 1-year, $1.05M deal with CAR)
34. Kevin Vickerson
35. Tyson Alualu (Re-signed 2-year, $6M deal with JAX)
36. Demarcus Dobbs
37. Vance Walker (Signed 2-year, $4M deal with DEN)
38. Andre Fluellen
39. Fili Moala
40. Nick Hayden
41. Stephen Bowen

Inside Linebackers

1. Brandon Spikes
2. David Harris (Re-signed 3-year, $21.5M deal with NYJ)
3. Mason Foster
4. Rolando McClain

5. Nate Irving
6. Rey Maualuga (Re-signed 3-year, $15M deal with CIN)

7. Curtis Lofton (Signed 3-year, $18M deal with OAK)

8. A.J. Hawk (Signed 2-year, $3.25M deal with CIN)

9. Arthur Moats (Re-signed 3-year, $7.5M deal with PIT)
10. Jamari Lattimore

11. Joe Mays

12. Steven Johnson (Re-signed 1-year, $785K deal with DEN)
13. Colin McCarthy

14. Brad Jones (Signed 2-year, $2.9M deal with PHI)
15. Dane Fletcher
16. Darryl Sharpton
17. Kelvin Sheppard (Signed undisclosed deal with MIA)
18. Desmond Bishop
19. Mark Herzlich (Re-signed 2-year, $2.6M deal with NYG)
20. Jasper Brinkley (Signed 2-year deal with DAL)
21. Josh Bynes (Re-signed 2-year, $1.81M deal with DET)

22. Josh Mauga (Re-signed 3-year, $8M deal with KC)

4-3 Outside Linebackers

1. Sean Weatherspoon (Signed 1-year, $4M deal with ARZ)
2. Malcolm Smith (Signed 2-year, $7M deal with OAK)
3. Lance Briggs
4. Justin Durant (Signed 3-year, $10.8M deal with ATL)

5. Dan Skuta (Signed 5-year, $20.5M deal with JAX)
6. Jonathan Casillas (Signed 3-year, $10.5M deal with NYG)
7. Bruce Carter (Signed 4-year, $20.5M deal with TB)
8. Jacquian Williams
9. Spencer Paysinger

10. Philip Wheeler

11. Keith Rivers (Signed 1-year, $825K deal with DAL)
12. Ashlee Palmer
13. J.T. Thomas (Signed 3-year, $12M deal with NYG)
14. Geno Hayes
15. Ramon Humber (Re-signed 2-year, $2.085M deal with NO)
16. Chase Blackburn
17. Chris White (Re-signed 1-year, $1.045M deal with NE)

Cornerbacks




1. Darrelle Revis (Signed 5-year, $70M deal with NYJ)
2. Byron Maxwell (Signed 6-year, $63M deal with PHI)
3. Brandon Flowers (Re-signed 4-year, $36.4M deal with SD)
4. Tramon Williams
5. Antonio Cromartie (Signed 4-year, $32M deal with NYJ)
6. Buster Skrine (Signed 4-year, $25M contract with NYJ)
7. Kareem Jackson (Re-signed 4-year, $34M deal with HOU)

8. Davon House (Signed 4-year, $25M deal with JAX)
9. Chris Culliver (Signed 4-year, $32M deal with WAS)

10. Perrish Cox (Signed 3-year, $15M deal with TEN)

11. Patrick Robinson
12. Cary Williams (Signed 3-year, $18M deal with SEA)

13. Jimmy Wilson (Signed 2-year, $4.85M deal with SD)

14. Rashean Mathis

15. Brandon Browner (Signed 3-year, $15M deal with NO)
16. Alan Ball
17. Walter Thurmond III (Signed 1-year, $3.25M deal with PHI)
18. Terence Newman
19. Charles Tillman
20. Tarell Brown
21. Brice McCain (Signed 2-year, $5.5M deal with MIA)
22. Darius Butler (Re-signed 2-year, $5M deal with IND)
23. Shareece Wright (Signed 1-year, $3M deal with SF)

24. Cortland Finnegan (Retired)

25. Sterling Moore
26. Bradley Fletcher
27. Kyle Wilson
28. Josh Wilson
29. Robert McClain

30. Will Blackmon (Signed 1-year, $950K deal with SEA)

31. Anthony Levine (Re-signed 2-year, $2.4M deal with BAL)
32. Chris Cook (Re-signed 1-year deal with SF)
33. Ike Taylor
34. Brandon Harris
35. Carlos Rogers
36. Mike Jenkins (Re-signed 1-year deal with TB)
37. Antoine Cason
38. E.J. Biggers
39. Chykie Brown (Re-signed 1-year, $2M deal with NYG)

Safeties

1. Devin McCourty (Re-signed 5-year, $47.5M deal with NE)
2. Rahim Moore (Signed 3-year, $12M deal with HOU)

3. Tyvon Branch (Signed 1-year, $2M deal with KC)
4. Antrel Rolle (Signed 3-year, $11.25M deal with CHI)
5. Louis Delmas
6. Marcus Gilchrist (Signed 4-year deal with NYJ)
7. Stevie Brown
8. Dawan Landry
9. Nate Allen (Signed 4-year, $23M deal with OAK)
10. Da'Norris Searcy (Signed 4-year, $23.75M deal with TEN)
11. Mike Adams (Re-signed 2-year, $4.25M deal with IND)

12. Ron Parker (Re-signed 5-year, $30M deal with KC)

13. Dashon Goldson

14. Darian Stewart (Signed 2-year deal with DEN)
15. Dwight Lowery
16. Bernard Pollard

17. Danieal Manning
18. Jeron Johnson
19. George Wilson
20. LaRon Landry

21. Major Wright (Re-signed 2-year, $3M deal with TB)
22. Brandon Meriweather
23. Kendrick Lewis (Signed 3-year deal with BAL)
24. Kurt Coleman
25. Chris Conte (Signed 1-year deal with TB)

26. Usama Young
27. Jeromy Miles
28. C.J. Spillman
29. Quintin Demps
30. Sergio Brown (Signed 3-year, $7M deal with JAX)
31. Thomas DeCoud
32. Taylor Mays

Kickers

1. Stephen Gostkowski (Re-signed 1-year, $4.59M deal with NE)
2. Matt Bryant (Re-signed 3-year, $8.5M deal with ATL)
3. Matt Prater (Re-signed 3-year, $9M deal with DET)
4. Mike Nugent (Re-signed 2-year, $3.5M deal with CIN)
5. Shayne Graham (Re-signed 1-year, $980K deal with NO)
6. Ryan Succop (Re-signed 3-year, $7.2M deal with TEN)
7. Jay Feely
8. Billy Cundiff

Punters

1. Brett Kern (Re-signed 5-year, $15M deal with TEN)
2. Mat McBriar

Top Restricted Free Agents

1. Tashaun Gipson (Second-Round Tender)
2. Damon Harrison (Second-Round Tender)
3. Will Hill (Original Pick Tender)
4. Derrick Shelby (Second-Round Tender)
5. Jerrell Freeman (Second-Round Tender)
6. Cedric Thornton (Second-Round Tender)

7. George Johnson (Original Pick Tender)
8. Justin Tucker (Second-Round Tender)
9. Andre Holmes (Original Pick Tender)
10. Emmanuel Lamur (Second-Round Tender)
11. Rodney McLeod (Second-Round Tender)
12. Greg Scruggs (Re-signed 1-year, $785K deal with SEA)
13. Austin Davis (Original Pick Tender)
14. Chris Polk (Original Pick Tender)
15. Leonard Johnson (Re-signed 1-year deal with TB)
16. Lance Dunbar (Original Pick Tender)
17. Jermaine Kearse (Second-Round Tender)
18. Matt Asiata (Re-signed 1-year, $800K deal with MIN)
19. Ishmaa'ily Kitchen (Original Pick Tender)
20. Bobby Rainey (Original Pick Tender)
21. Rod Streater (Second-Round Tender)
22. Cole Beasley (Re-signed 4-year, $13.6M deal with DAL)
23. Chris Jones (Original Pick Tender)
24. Bradley Sowell (Re-signed 1-year deal with ARZ)
25. Marquette King (Original Pick Tender)
26. Craig Robertson (Second-Round Tender)
27. Don Barclay (Original Pick Tender)
28. Kai Forbath (Original Pick Tender)

*Evan Silva is a senior football editor for Rotoworld.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/51589/309/2015-nfl-free-agents

This post was followed by a series of posts where people whined and belittled other posters who have questioned [or in their words---whined] about some of the moves the Browns have made or not made.

I love how they build off of each other. Looking down their noses at all those who aren't as objective, superior, intelligent, and as fair as true fans like themselves.

Gosh, it must be nice to be so superior.

I would like to review your list. I know that will mean I am a whiner and that I am not a true fan, but since the moral majority has already lumped me in w/other losers.....what's to lose?

--Gilbert: Actually they gave Gilbert every chance to win the starting job. He was working w/the ones right after arriving in camp. He played terribly, but they kept him in the rotation. He lost time as the year progressed because of poor play and a terrible attitude. The FO has also decided to part ways w/Skrine. What do you think that means for Gilbert? Wait, don't answer y'all..........because you will just tell me what a whiner I am and how I am not a true fan like you. You know, negative people lean towards negativity in all facets of life.


Manziel: One of the main reasons Shanny wanted out of here is because the FO wanted Manziel to start those last few games of the year, even though he was not prepared to start. Furthermore, why do you think they let Hoyer walk and brought in McCown?

Oooppps. I have to learn to stop asking questions as if I would get logical replies. I need to understand that my analysis is just the ramblings of an ignorant whiner. So, I will just tell you what I think since we can't have conversation where I viewed as your equal. I think that the majority of players would have preferred Hoyer over Manziel if the Browns had kept the former. I also believe that Hoyer believed that he deserved to be the starter if he outplayed Manziel in camp. That isn't what the FO wanted.

Bittonio: He was inserted immediately, but he played well and deserved his position as a starter.

DeSir: He played perhaps worse than any CB I have ever witnessed in preseason games. However, he made the team. I thought he was hurt much of the year? Am I wrong about that? Or, am I just whining? I am not sure if it even matters as he was not a high draft choice.


This part is only for those who actually do like to look at both sides of a debate and not just call other posters "whiners" just because they don't agree w/the majority. {Wait....that just reminded me of something----what were those very same posters saying last year about our FO? Oh yeah.......they called them The Three Stooges and almost every post on every thread was filled w/whining........wait....it wasn't whining.......it was constructive criticism. Okay, got it. ] Anyway, back to my final point. I am not in agreement w/everything the "whiners" say, but I think they have a right to say it w/out being called names and have their opinions dismissed just because they have been placed in an inferior group by the elitists on this board.

I am also going to say that it is probably too early to say whether or not Farmer favors his high draft picks, but the early evidence suggests that he may, especially if one considers all the evidence that is out there----true playing time, post-season moves, Shanny's complaints, how JM was drafted in the first place, Text Gate, etc.

Now, I need to go find my pacifier to calm down after my latest "whine."

Crabtree's demands must be completely outrageous for him not to have a home yet. While he's never lived up to his draft status, he's a bonafide tweener between a #1 and #2 and possibly has the best hands in the NFL. Wouldn't mind seeing us make a run at him.

Wouldn't mind bringing Ridley in either. File this as another surprise for me he hasn't found a home.

And in what I'm sure would be an unpopular move, I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Vick. I think he's got something left in the tank and would instantly be a huge upgrade over our already very talented stable of QBs.

Quite honestly, I do not believe anyone could or would have predicted the amount of production he was generating last year before the injury. I can't wait to see him back in the lineup.

i agree with that.

I just hope if we do indeed sign Bowe, two things:

1. It's not for anything close to a mega, high dollar contract

2. The staff doesn't feel the WR core is now complete and ready for high production. Honestly, I'd like the Hartline signing more than Bowe and JMO - wouldn't view Bowe as being a legit #1. I'd still look for a real #1 threat at WR. Bowe, Gabriel, Hartline, Hawkins, Travis - none of them have "#1" written on them or big threat.

Former Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe visiting the Cleveland Browns this weekend

Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group




CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns might land another veteran receiver to pair with Brian Hartline.

Former Chiefs receiver Dwayne Bowe began his free agent visit with the Browns Saturday night and will continue it through tomorrow, a league source confirmed.

ESPN's Josina Anderson first reported that Bowe had arrived in Cleveland was having dinner with club officials Saturday night.

Bowe, 30, was released by the Chiefs Thursday in an attempt to gain some cap relief. His cap number for 2015 was $14 million, and the Chiefs created $5 million in cap space by letting him go.

The No. 23 overall pick in 2007 out of Louisiana State, Bowe (6-2, 221) has spent his entire career with the Chiefs.

Over the past two years, he averaged 58 catches for 713 yards in two seasons under Andy Reid.

Bowe's best season was in 2010 when he caught 72 passes for 1,162 yards (16.1-yard average) with an NFL-high 15 touchdown catches. Bowe became expendable when the Chiefs signed former Eagles star receiver Jeremy Maclin.

Last season, Bowe was part of a Chiefs receiving corps that failed to catch a TD pass.

Bowe, who's registered three 1,00-yard season, leaves Kansas City as the Chiefs'second all-time leader in receptions (532) behind tight end Tony Gonzalez.

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Last season, Bowe was part of a Chiefs receiving corps that failed to catch a TD pass.


it seems to me that bowe was good until andy reid got there?
maybe the system was his problem. he's definitely got the size i'm looking for. bowe one side, hartline the other side, smurfs scattered in between.

Great post Dave! Thank you.

I was just going through what Dave put up to get rid of the people who are signed or tagged to see just who's left without the depressing part of who we didn't sign. Just in case anyone else is interested, here is that list. I left their numbered position in the list for easy reference.

Quarterbacks

05. Matt Moore
08. Tarvaris Jackson
10. Michael Vick
12. Colt McCoy
14. Jason Campbell
20. Matt Flynn

Running Backs

08. Stevan Ridley
11. Pierre Thomas
12. Ahmad Bradshaw
14. Knowshon Moreno
15. Ben Tate
17. Steven Jackson
18. Chris Johnson
20. Jacquizz Rodgers

Fullbacks

04. John Kuhn
05. Tyler Clutts
06. John Conner
07. Will Tukuafu
08. Jackie Battle
09. Montell Owens

Wide Receivers

08. Michael Crabtree
09. Stevie Johnson
10. Dwayne Bowe
12. Greg Jennings
13. Cecil Shorts
16. Hakeem Nicks
17. Denarius Moore
18. Mike Williams
19. Nate Washington
20. Reggie Wayne
26. Vincent Brown
28. Miles Austin
29. Jerrel Jernigan
30. Donnie Avery
32. Derek Hagan
33. Robert Meachem
34. Lance Moore
36. Jarrett Boykin

Tight Ends

04. Jermaine Gresham
07. Rob Housler
10. Zach Miller
11. James Casey
13. Tony Moeaki
17. Dante Rosario
18. Jacob Tamme
19. Daniel Fells
21. David Ausberry

Offensive Tackles

05. Joe Barksdale
06. Byron Bell
09. Jake Long
10. Anthony Collins
11. Ryan Harris
14. Tyler Polumbus
15. Corey Hilliard
19. Byron Stingily
20. Garry Williams
21. Ben Ijalana
22. Chris Hairston

Guards/Centers

04. Stefen Wisniewski
06. Chris Myers
07. Justin Blalock
10. Brian De La Puente
11. Rob Sims
12. Will Montgomery
13. Lyle Sendlein
14. Scott Wells
15. Dominic Raiola
16. Jonathan Goodwin
18. Mike Pollak
19. Charlie Johnson
21. Dan Connolly
23. Samson Satele
26. J.D. Walton
27. Adam Snyder
28. Davin Joseph
29. Chad Rinehart

Edge Defenders

04. Greg Hardy
12. Michael Johnson
16. John Abraham
17. George Selvie
20. James Harrison
21. Dwight Freeney
22. Sam Acho
23. Corey Wootton
24. Anthony Spencer
25. Osi Umenyiora
26. Kroy Biermann
27. Mathias Kiwanuka
28. Da'Quan Bowers
29. Shaun Phillips
31. Marcus Benard

Interior Defensive Linemen

07. C.J. Mosley
09. Vince Wilfork
12. Randy Starks
12. Barry Cofield
13. Letroy Guion
15. B.J. Raji
16. Kevin Williams
17. Kenrick Ellis
18. Ahtyba Rubin
19. Red Bryant
21. Jarvis Jenkins
23. Alex Carrington
25. Pat Sims
26. Tommy Kelly
27. Mike Patterson
30. Chris Canty
31. Leger Douzable
34. Kevin Vickerson
36. Demarcus Dobbs
38. Andre Fluellen
39. Fili Moala
40. Nick Hayden
41. Stephen Bowen

Inside Linebackers

01. Brandon Spikes
03. Mason Foster
04. Rolando McClain
05. Nate Irving
10. Jamari Lattimore
11. Joe Mays
13. Colin McCarthy
15. Dane Fletcher
16. Darryl Sharpton
18. Desmond Bishop

4-3 Outside Linebackers

03. Lance Briggs
08. Jacquian Williams
09. Spencer Paysinger
10. Philip Wheeler
12. Ashlee Palmer
14. Geno Hayes
16. Chase Blackburn

Cornerbacks

04. Tramon Williams
11. Patrick Robinson
14. Rashean Mathis
16. Alan Ball
18. Terence Newman
19. Charles Tillman
20. Tarell Brown
25. Sterling Moore
26. Bradley Fletcher
27. Kyle Wilson
28. Josh Wilson
29. Robert McClain
33. Ike Taylor
34. Brandon Harris
35. Carlos Rogers
37. Antoine Cason
38. E.J. Biggers

Safeties

05. Louis Delmas
07. Stevie Brown
08. Dawan Landry
13. Dashon Goldson
15. Dwight Lowery
16. Bernard Pollard
17. Danieal Manning
18. Jeron Johnson
19. George Wilson
20. LaRon Landry
22. Brandon Meriweather
24. Kurt Coleman
26. Usama Young
27. Jeromy Miles
28. C.J. Spillman
29. Quintin Demps
31. Thomas DeCoud
32. Taylor Mays

Kickers

7. Jay Feely
8. Billy Cundiff

Punters

2. Mat McBriar

Thanks Tulsa I was going to do that, but I was too lazy. Good job.

Quarterbacks

05. Matt Moore
08. Tarvaris Jackson
10. Michael Vick
12. Colt McCoy
14. Jason Campbell
20. Matt Flynn


it's sad to think that half of that list has already bombed here.