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The Browns AVERAGE AGE was still around 24/25.... yea. all those undrafted rookie free agents sure do take the age down. to bad our team is made up of people no team including us would draft. You mean players undrafted like the guy you based your user name on the old board "paytheman"? Joshua "Josh" Cribbs the Cleveland Browns as an undrafted free agent in 2005" OR Tashaun Gipson or K'Wuan Williams or Isiah Crowell or Craig Robertson. All legit players. Maybe not all superstars but have outperformed other guys that can't crack a roster anywhere. EVERY GM has hits and misses. Its just a matter of whether you hit more than you miss and can do it a few years in a row. yea. i saw how every one were fighting for that 2nd round tender on Gipson. and all those teams fighting for Craig Robertson. pfft
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yea. the blind squirrel find a nut thing. amazing how our last 3 gm find so many nuts and no other gm can. even more amazing is how all our great gm have gone on to bigger and better things. pfft
So why do you stick around if they are so bad? Maybe you can follow their lead and go on to bigger better things! old age? So old like the Browns players you are complaining about? Maybe it's time to get rid of you for a younger fan! 
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yea. the blind squirrel find a nut thing. amazing how our last 3 gm find so many nuts and no other gm can. even more amazing is how all our great gm have gone on to bigger and better things. pfft
So why do you stick around if they are so bad? Maybe you can follow their lead and go on to bigger better things! old age? So old like the Browns players you are complaining about? Maybe it's time to get rid of you for a younger fan! glad you like getting rid of players just coming into there prime for more money on old players on the downward side. obviously you think its a great idea. sit back and enjoy pfft
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I don't care if we had a team full of players that require Depends, I just want this freakin team to finally start winning something anything!
Problem is new or old this is a patchwork team that is not built for winning, but all the homers are convinced things are gonna be different.
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I've come the conclusion even if the Browns win a Super Bowl you'll find something to rag on the FO over. 
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I've come the conclusion even if the Browns win a Super Bowl you'll find something to rag on the FO over. and thats your answer about "glad you like getting rid of players just coming into there prime for more money on old players on the downward side. obviously you think its a great idea. " stay in the smackshack and dont worry about real football. pfft
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and thats your answer about "glad you like getting rid of players just coming into there prime for more money on old players on the downward side. obviously you think its a great idea. "
Well I can't answer that question until I see them play for the Browns ask me at the end of the next season when there is something solid to base my answer on other than speculation. 
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and thats your answer about "glad you like getting rid of players just coming into there prime for more money on old players on the downward side. obviously you think its a great idea. "
Well I can't answer that question until I see them play for the Browns ask me at the end of the next season when there is something solid to base my answer on other than speculation. how about i ask you 3 years from now lmao.
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how about i ask you 3 years from now lmao.
OK if your Oldheimer's let's you remember in 3 years. So you would not want Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Darrelle Revis on the Browns because of their age?
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how about i ask you 3 years from now lmao.
OK if your Oldheimer's let's you remember in 3 years. So you would not want Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Darrelle Revis on the Browns because of their age? wow. did we sign that kind of talent? oh i get it.you think mccown, and Tramon Williams are in the same talent as Manning and Revis. lmao. stay in the smack shack lol
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.you think mccown, and Tramon Williams are in the same talent as Manning and Revis.
Why do you feel the need to MAKE THINGS UP? Please show where I posted that...now set down the alcohol and move away from the keyboard.
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Why do you guyys feed this guy?
He obviously has a good number of posts, but I don't remember him. I guess as some have said, he is one of the smack shack guys. I never go there, so I wouldn't know.
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.you think mccown, and Tramon Williams are in the same talent as Manning and Revis.
Why do you feel the need to MAKE THINGS UP? Please show where I posted that...now set down the alcohol and move away from the keyboard. why else would you bring up those players except for comparison?
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Angry Elf... lol
Bad day PB? How can you diss on Gipson - kid made the Pro Bowl. Gabriel...excellent pick up. Williams...We actually have added some worth while players and not all from early rounds. I know I know we had missed of late...but nobody got what we got from the rest. I thought a pretty good rookies class we added last year. Still hope on the two first rounders.
Again I don't see all this woah... 7 wins from the first year of this regime. Better than the last 6 seasons. We will continue to get better...we finally got something to keep here with Continuity...Only Shanny is gone...I say good riddance he wasn't about the Browns he was about Shanny! jmho
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Angry Elf... lol
Bad day PB? How can you diss on Gipson - kid made the Pro Bowl. Gabriel...excellent pick up. Williams...We actually have added some worth while players and not all from early rounds. I know I know we had missed of late...but nobody got what we got from the rest. I thought a pretty good rookies class we added last year. Still hope on the two first rounders.
Again I don't see all this woah... 7 wins from the first year of this regime. Better than the last 6 seasons. We will continue to get better...we finally got something to keep here with Continuity...Only Shanny is gone...I say good riddance he wasn't about the Browns he was about Shanny! jmho well mr we have a strong young core eo. lets face it. we keep let players go that you and others think are great while they play with us but how many get good contracts when they leave? how much do the rest of the nfl think of our players. the only one we know of for sure is mack, the guy you said would be easy to replace with grecko lmao. ward? no great contract. the ones this year? very reasonable contracts. sorry, you and others can babble about the udfa players we have until your blue in the face but the sad fact is these are players that 32 teams did not draft. there biggest assets are motivation and not raw physical talent. they are limited.
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Just a word of wisdom....once a player is in camp, it doesn't matter how they got there.
My point is these undrafted players you seem to dismiss beat out some players who were drafted.
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why else would you bring up those players except for comparison?
"So you would not want Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Darrelle Revis on the Browns because of their age?
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Just a word of wisdom....once a player is in camp, it doesn't matter how they got there.
My point is these undrafted players you seem to dismiss beat out some players who were drafted. goes to show how bad our draft are. and again. you dont see these players we play going to do anything on any other team do you?
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why else would you bring up those players except for comparison?
"So you would not want Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Darrelle Revis on the Browns because of their age? i would take any of the 3 but we did not bring that talent in. what part of that dont you understand? instead we let players that were coming into there prime for backup old players. are you that stupid you dont understand that?
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pb, I can't say I completely agree with you. We have gotten guys like Gipson and Cribbs via UDFA's.
But on the other hand, we do have some players that were UDFA's that either started or got playing time and contributed that beg to question.....
Are they really good? Would they be starters elsewhere? Or is that simply the best we have?
Sometimes I think we're just so weak at certain positions, that even UDFA's can come here and either play or even start because our talent at certain positions is so poor, not because they are so good, or even diamonds in the rough.
So to that extent, I really don't disagree with you.
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i would take any of the 3 but we did not bring that talent in. what part of that dont you understand? instead we let players that were coming into there prime for backup old players.
are you that stupid you dont understand that?
The part I don't understand which of the players that the Browns have picked up this off seaon have played like back up old players for the Browns this season? Which players that the Browns let walk played like pro bowlers for their new team this season?
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I guess we will no longer be the youngest team
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Just a word of wisdom....once a player is in camp, it doesn't matter how they got there.
My point is these undrafted players you seem to dismiss beat out some players who were drafted. goes to show how bad our draft are. and again. you dont see these players we play going to do anything on any other team do you? In a way I can agree with you. My point is once a person is in camp, their draft position doesn't really matter. In theory a 1st rounder should be the best player and the undrafted guy should be the worst. But, it doesn't work out that way. You always have guys like Brady who everybody passed up 5-6 times. In the end, if you can get 2-3 good players per draft cycle, you are in good shape. It doesn't really matter how or where you got them. As to your question: I can see Crowell playing for other teams. JMO
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When Mack wanted to leave...if he left what are we going to do Wallow in our pity. Greco was the option. If you notice when Mack went down...who went in to play Center...problem wasn't Greco playing center problem we had no depth for RG and it brought down the RT as well.
The skill set to play center is the least of all the OL position. Doesn't mean you don't need talent. The guys we had McQ (RG sucked) the other 2 Centers we picked up didn't have talent.
Mack is important but if we lose him next year we sit and cry...your option of choice or we move on and get one. I think a 4th round pick of that GaTech OG would be a great prospect to fit into Center.
You can't just take bits and pieces of something I write and try to infuse it as if I don't know what I'm talking about. I know my OL I know exactly what I'm talking about.
To benefit you PITY FEST you are claiming we are letting all our prospects get away. Of course now according you Ward was great...I was one of the few who liked him. We are not hurting at safety what is your point? Different regime didn't like the fact he was hurt I guess - but what does that have to do with Farmer n Pettine it wasn't there call. But we got Gipson who was a Pro Bowl FS and Whittner - we didn't lose any games cause of the Safety position - So outside of you having a Pity Party what is your point.
Skrine...I didn't like it at all again one who championed him throughout his time here. But I understood why he left. He was an INSIDE CB he wanted to test the FA market - He got silly money and signed - good for him. What can you do. Will we suffer Williams is a pretty darn good Inside CB his technique is actually better than Skrine - I think Skrine was a better Athlete and good against the run, not that you want your CB to be dominant against the Run!
Cameron? If he isn't a probable candidate for retirement it might bother me.
Yeah prospects worth something I champion - I'm a freaking fan of the team you find that odd...I know on this board we got geniuses who just find fault in all. I think I'm more in the norm. When they leave do I cry about it...no.
We never had players really good enough to be upset about. Now we are in a new Era for Browns fans. We got to make some tough decisions on players. Instead wallowing in your pity you should ask yourself. Is our WR position better than last year? Is our CB position better than last year. Is our DL better than last year.
As long as we are progressing and moving forward to a year two.
Now somebody put up facts that this entire thread is a piece of crap thread that you seem to champion. That we don't have over the hill props and I betcha if investigated properly probably not the largest collection of older players in expansion. But its just another article for the PITIFUL to champion and go around with the DOOM.
Yeah piss on me cause I champion our players, I'm the odd ball here.
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