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so, McCown will have Andrew Hawkins, Miles Austin, Jordan Cameron, Brian Hartline, and Dwayne Bowe to throw to? With Travis Benjamin, Taylor Gabriel and Marlon Moore as depth.

I think that he just might be getting set up to succeed.

Has McCown ever had a set of receiving targets like that?

I am not sure if this post is a joke or not, so I will just respond with factual information.

Miles Austin is a free agent. Jordan Cameron signed with the Dolphins. Last year Josh McCown had Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. The year before that he had Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery.

doh!!

LOL! I totally spaced on the fact that Cameron left, and I wasn't aware that Austin wasn't here.

The rest of that depresses me.

Some people can manage their addictions while they have things to occupy them .... but as soon as that stops, then they fall off the wagon.

IMHO, and as someone who has friends who have dealt with additions, I believe that it is better to get things dealt with now, and as close as to for good as possible.

Now, when he manages to get a handle on his addictions, then he will want to occupy his time with other things than the addicting things he has used in the past. He will have to change his behaviors. That has to be learned, and has to become a habit. He has to know how to turn down friends when they ask him to go out with them. He has to know how to walk away from the things that give him problems. That cannot be done only with hard work.

I do agree that once he puts this behind him .. if he is able to .... then he needs to work his butt off on a daily basis to be the best NFL QB he can be. I do think that he expected to be able to walk into the NFL and succeed without even trying. Now he knows that's not going to happen. He sees how hard the pro game is. If he doesn't put the time and effort in, then he has no one to blame but himself if he fails.

However, to think that he needs to just "will himself" well is rather foolish. Some people can do that with addictions, but those people are few and far between. If he has an addiction, and that seems extremely likely given his time in treatment, then he has to handle that addiction before he works on anything else, because nothing else will work until he gets that part of his life under control.

For some I agree. I had a 20 year coke habit. I never called it an addiction because I know I'm strong enough to drop any habit I choose.

My 20 year habit (about 3-4 8 balls a week) ended with a simple choice for me. I told my wife and coke friends to hit the road. That was 9 years ago. Funny thing is, I never touched or had the desire to do a line since.

I ran a very successful business that afforded me to flip the bill every frickin week. I just got tired of it. I surrounded myself with other successful business people and been living great.

For me, it was very easy and I could fill a 2 car garage with the amount of coke we did.....frickin scary.

This wasn't something I wanted to share but I had to share my experience. The mind is powerful. The problem people have is they just don't know how to use it.

LOL That was my first thought....

That's possible but once bitten, twice shy. I really wouldn't have a problem if he produced one iota.

He sent this ridiculous text because he was falling in the draft and wanted to wreck this league. Couldn't beat out a career backup that was released by 4 teams, apparently couldn't learn the playbook and now he decides to go to rehab?

I have a feeling LeBron told him to go. You wreck your own image, I want no part of it.

Of course I could be wrong about the guy but this smells to me. How many times have we heard 'I need to change' from him? Sorry man, I don't believe the guy.

I always try to be civil.


I'd call it a strong person just as I call a person who seeks help a strong person. It isn't a matter of weakness to seek help.


Lot's of variables. It depends on the level of the problem and the personality of the person.


It isn't IMO a point of strong or weak. It's a matter of what works. I've known people who like to do things alone and have known people who like to do things as or with a group.

I take it you are like myself. I don't want or need a group. I just need to make up my mind and dig in, and when I do, it's game on. But....that doesn't make my way right. Nor is it the only way I have quit or done things.

Sometimes you have the tools to do it alone. Other times not. The strong minded person continues to seek ways to beat their demons.

Much respect....well said. With that, I'm leaving this conversation. You taught me something

Where's vers been recently?

I would like to piggy back off of your post Peen. First let me say I have no idea if JFF going to rehab is real or is some sort of publicity/PR ploy. I can see how his past has put some doubt in the minds of some fans. But in such a case, I have to hope and believe, to this point, that it's a real effort on his part.

Now to the point. I believe a lot of what Peen has said are valid points. I would also like to point out that dependency, and the severity of that dependency can be very different from person to person. Some have traced this to genealogy. Certain families seem to have a propensity for substance abuse and dependence. Also the severeness of the dependency fluctuates greatly.

So while I do believe the strength to deal with the issue of dependency is an ingredient in conquering it, I also believe there are other variables to be considered.

Looks like Vers must have got himself banned ... again. His name is missing from the user list, with just his old name remaining.

That's pretty funny. I made a parody of your internet post - you miss my point completely - pick on the parody and quote it .... then insult people on the board for having simple minds.

Thanks.

I read latter that you had a Coke habit for 20 years but you think you could have quit anytime .... I'm no expert - but I'm guessing that that's exactly what addicts say to themselves every day all round the world. Out of interest why didn't you want to quit sooner than the 20 years? What was so great about your time on coke that you thought to yourself that you could quit anytime you wanted - but that obviously wasn't the smart thing to do in your life for those 20 years. I mean - you could have quit anytime. You're obviously articulate and intelligent - what was so great about being on coke that would make you want to stay on coke..... and if it was great for 20 years and a positive thing in your life, why would you need to turn your back on your wife and other friends who didn't decide to quit when you did? I am very interested in your answer.

It's March break for the school kids. Vers, I recall, usually takes a mini-vacation also. Please, no taking potshots at someone who is not available to respond...

No pot shots at all. His user name is missing from the user list, which is what happens when someone gets banned. I have no idea the details of why or for how long, but it is apparent that it is what happened.

Sorry man I read it as you calling me classless and ignorant. Totally missed the parody, my fault.

Why didn't I quit sooner? Simple, I was having a blast but still was able to produce. Why did I turn my back on wife and friends? I answered that earlier. I said I was the one flipping the bill. They weren't friends, they were leaches.

I wasn't the stereotypical cokehead. I was a respected businessman that nobody other than my inner circle knew I did coke. It's an awesome drug. The energy, the invincibility you felt....

I also stated I'm former military. My mind and body was trained to tolerate the unfathomable. It's probably why I laugh at some of these conversations like; Johnny needs babied, Peterson abusing his kid blah blah blah. I have zero empathy on this.

I have very thick skin man. I'm 48 and can't recall the last time my feelings were hurt but whatever...

I went round and round on the old board about Hoyer. You guys fell in love with him after 1 start. I said I valued the opinions of 4 head coaches that RELEASED him. Spoke volumes to me.

You say we had a good BRIDGE QB. I don't agree. We had a career backup QB now we have another. Pet didn't say last TC that there was a QB competition? I thought he did....interesting.



IMO he still is. According to your words, he fooled you. Just curious, why do you think he deserves the benefit of doubt now?

Brady Quinn thinks he can have a McCown-type revival

By Conor Orr
Around The NFL Writer

TEMPE, Ariz. -- During a preseason stint with the Miami Dolphins in 2014, Brady Quinn had the chance to meet current Browns quarterback Josh McCown on the field after a game.

At 35 going on 36, McCown is having a career renaissance few quarterbacks ever experience. He was in demand a year ago and will likely start again for the Cleveland Browns in 2015.

Quinn has no doubt that his career can take a similar trajectory, which is why he's here in Tempe for the inaugural Veteran Combine.

"Without a doubt, I feel great," Quinn said when asked if he still envisions himself playing well into his 30s. "I'm 30, but I feel mentally as good as I've ever felt and as far as throwing the ball and understanding the game, I feel great. I had a great preseason with Seattle. I didn't get much of an opportunity in Miami, but I was 4-for-4 on the reps I got."

Quinn said he hasn't had any private workouts since being released by the Dolphins and knows that, even if he picks up interest on Sunday, he'll still have to work out with another team again in private and pass a physical.

This is why he was wavering on the process.

But Quinn decided he was tired of waiting for the phone to ring. He flew to Tempe and is staying close to the action throughout his time here. A year off has provided him with a certain perspective on how players get signed and stay in the rotation.

"I was wavering because you'd still have to go somewhere else but here, you're in front of all 32 teams," he said. "You have all the high-ranking personnel because of the owner's meetings. It's just a good chance all the way around. It's purely about passion. It's purely about my desire to play football."

Quinn, like Adam Carriker or Jamaal Anderson or Felix Jones, is going to be looked at as a player desperately trying to re-write the past. But the reality is, they're all first-round picks who didn't live up to the potential that some general manager in some organization thought they would. This isn't their fault.

That doesn't mean they can't be serviceable players in the NFL anymore.

Lump Quinn in with the pack of available backups, though, and against the competition he had on Sunday and the notion of him sticking around doesn’t seem so strange anymore.

Based on the market, is it crazy to think that he's one of the more likely candidates to see the benefit of the combine and end up in a camp in a few months?

"I just feel like you've got one life to live and you should live it the way you want, and I've really enjoyed playing football," Quinn said. "It's been great for my life and my family, and I never want to look back and regret an opportunity to continue playing."

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In all seriousness, why does McCown deserve a shot before Quinn (other than a four game stretch of really good football)?

I know Quinn isn't good, but that just shows how bad McCown is.