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So obviously we should of just paid him a boatload of money to stay here and be unhappy and stuff...

He also said he has been watching film of himself from last season with his new coaches and they have pointed out some flaws with his hand technique and that he wasn't finishing plays. I think he is poised to have a great year with NE. Sounds like he needed a change.

He doesn't sound like he would have stayed here for any amount of money. Sounds like he really wanted out. Picked a good place to come. He said 2 other teams showed interest but he never went for an interview.

The problem being, if you actually knew the true feelings of everyone in the locker room and followed that logic, the cupboard would probably be pretty bare.

I mean how many players do you really think are happy being here with the constant turnstile in the FO and coaching staff? I'm sure there are many more who share the sentiment of Sheard. You just won't hear about it until after they leave.

And that's what the Draft and FA are for..

Someone leaves, you replace them..

There are only a small select group of players currently on the Browns that I would be really upset if they left..

None of them play QB, because until we get a QB, almost none of it matters..

If we can get a QB, and I don't even nessecarily mean a Top 5 Franchise guy.. just A QB that we believe can be the guy moving forward.. Like a Ryan Tannehill type..

Until we get him, and keep him, a coaching staff, and FO in place for 3+ years.. Players are going to come and go..

Someone said earlier about how NE, Pitt, Baltimore, etc all lose players every year.. The only difference is they have a QB.. they have a system or whatever you want to call it place.. And regardless of what skill player leaves, or who they draft, they still contend..

Because they have a Quarterback.

to take who's spot?

All the players that leave this mess in Cleveland are gonna be much happier. Who wouldn't? Good luck to both Sheard and Rubin! How much better does it get not only leaving the hell hole that is Cleveland but going to winning organizations such as NE and Seattle.

I believe one main ingredient is missing from the points you made. You are correct in the points you made with one huge exception. In the case of those highly successful teams you mention, it's not the players who don't want to be there. It's the FO and coaching staff making the decisions of who to keep and pay, and who not to keep and pay.

I believe what we were discussing is how many players that we drafted are probably looking forward to their first chance to hit the FA market so they can go elsewhere. Players who are unhappy with the consistent turnover within the coaching staff and FO. Players who would love to go to the very type of teams you mentioned.

To me that's where the issue lies. Once you build a team like NE, you have a wealth of players who want to come there. Your FO and coaching staff has tons of choices they can make. Here, the players want to leave. I think the contrast there is huge.

McClain is also suspended to start the season.

Yeah.. You're right about that..

Winning cures all.

I've always said the HC/FO that finally becomes successful here may not nessecarily be the best we've ever had, they will just be the ones lucky enough to be here when we find a QB...

Hell, SFs FO put out recently that they let Harbaugh go because they "got away from what they wanted to be as an organization" (paraphrasing)

They went to 3 NFC Title games, 1 SuperBowl.. And their worst season was 8-8...

How terrible. Better change something..

We have a very talented team

We are an Andy Dalton/Ryan Tannehill away from being a consistent playoff contender every year..

We are an Andrew Luck away from making the AFC Title game every year, possibly making the Super Bowl..

It's why I was so interested in Nick Foles, or why I'd trade multiple first for a Brees/Rivers type..

We need a QB. I don't care who he is.. once we find a QB, everything else will fall into place..

How in the world does any organization give Richardson any guaranteed money? haha Really? God only the Raiders, which might possibly be a dumber organization than this one.

TRich Guaranteed $

There is a long story associated with McClain.

In order for him to be successful, he has to be carefully handled. He failed at Oakland and Baltimore, but was very good in Dallas. He probably works better with a team located in the south.

I don't see Cleveland being a fit.

LOL @ Rise to power. You've been saying that since BOTCH, Romeo, Mangina, SHERMAN and CHUD....
Maybe the SIXTH time is the charm...

You are so sure they are sticking around huh? You should know better than saying that by now. 2 years and out is the norm in Cleveland and as bad as this year could be expect a new regime in 2016.

Didn't know that about McClain. Doesn't look like anything to wonder about now

When you know them and their family on a person level you take it a bit more personal bro.

...and I do, eo! I'm on board...

I certainly admire your enthusiasm even though I'm not quite on board with your math. There are a couple of ingredients I really have my reservations about.

The patience of Haslam. I certainly have my reservations whether or not Haslam will have the patience to see things to their fruition. Unless and until we have a QB, we will not really be able to turn things around. At this point, I certainly don't see that QB on the roster.

Destiny is a fickle mistress.

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Will this guy ever. just. go. AWAY?

I hate the Steelers, but I don't think I have ever hated one of their players more than I hate this guy!

My Steeler friends just love how he plays. It shows how much class they have as well....

Can't stand Harrison ... but I also can't stand some of our own guys (for different reasons)

The Steelers keep on keepin on

Seems like in the NFL you have to find ways to cheat to win. Whether it be a cheating mastermind coach in Belichick or a roided up headhunter in Harrison.

Suh or Harrison are guys that fans love to hate unless they are playing for your team.

I can say with 100% confidence that I would not root for this guy if he played for the Browns.

I wouldn't Harrison because he has played for Pitt, but I would have loved loved loved to have Suh here. If I were a GM, I would definitely not steer clear of guys that play a little dirty. Sorry, just being honest. I'm tired of getting laughed at by other fans and rooting for a constant loser.

I said that with tongue implanted in cheek eo. I admire your positive thinking, but I still see the team as the eternal "Titanic." I can say that I like the head coach for the first time since Butch's first and second year. I am worried that our "texting" GM is in way over his head. With that said, I am also hoping he isn't over his head. Until we get a real QB all this debate is just wasted energy.
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The owner scares the heck out of me. I don't think he is playing with a full deck.

For a guy who has been around for less than a year, you sure have a deep knowledge of the past....

I've been around forever. Only notice you from your little cheap shot posts here and there. You and cfrs15 should get a room. Next...

I can vouch for that. SuperBrown has my...

Browns interested in Rob Housler

Housler is basically a poor man's Jordan Cameron. He has 1,133 receiving yards in four years. He had only nine receptions for 129 yards last year, despite playing in 15 games. He ran a fast forty at the combine and can't block.

The best I would offer him is the veteran's minimum.

Haslam: Tell me about Housler, Ray.

Farmer: Well, he's not very productive as a receiver and he can't block. We like him.

Great. We'll hit him on the head and put him on the bench to watch. It'll be like Cameron never left.

I don't know anything about the guy, but with those stats... vet minimum could possibly be too much lol.

I know you are joking, but signing Housler would be a move betting on his uptapped potential and possible misuse in the Cardinals offense.

Catching 1,133 yards...double check who the QBs were!! I wonder if 2/3 of those yards came in the first half last season!!

Why are Heath Miller types frowned upon? Remember Browns are keying on run scheme. Pass catching TE is more a specialty. Having a TE who can play hybrid is more what Farmer really wants.

Re-read my post. Housler only had 129 yards total last season.

You're to fast... Sorry, I was thinking of wrong guy. That explains why it would let me delete post!

Wait for it...You know what's comin...Drumroll please...
What's a DAMN Rob Housler?????????????????????...

I offer you the same level of respect as you give your beloved Browns.

It gets boring after a while.

Try the iggy button...I just did.