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Probably most anyone who wishes to have a clue whether Farmer is competent and people who want to see whether this FO will be open and honest with the fan base.
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there is a precedent on this That is what some conference rooms in the Arizona Biltmore have been debating. Hopefully for the Browns, it will be considered the same.
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And if, just for the sake of arguement, if Farmers intent was to get better players into the line up, or better plays to be called on the field, then his intent was to get an advantage over what was currently transpiring on the field of play, no matter the outcome. This is ridiculous. I don't think you can honestly think that's what the rule is about. But if you honestly feel the NFL is more concerned with "the spirit of the law" than they are about sending a message and the appearance of their integrity, I'd say you along with others may be in for a big dissapointment. I don't. I think that their clinging to the ability to define the punishment after the crime, and yet still apply a "severe" punishment based on the circumstances of this situation is bullcrap.
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So it is okay for Belichick and Brady to blatantly break the rules for a competitive advantage and walk away unscathed?
Regardless of the lip service provided by the NFL, there is, and never will be, any real parity. There may be several parodies, like the usual whipping boys.
To think that the Browns and the other recent bottom feeders will catch a break is like peeing in the wind.
Atlanta will get nailed, the Browns will get nailed and every other team that cheats will walk away laughing like they always do when it comes to this franchise.
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Browns and Falcons officials were informed at this week’s owners meetings of the discipline that is expected to be announced next week, per league sources. One source said the discipline is expected to be “severe.”
That Sucks! That was according to Adam Schefter.
Hopefully Severe means Suspension and Money...
Anyone know what the Falcons did?
Also no mention of discipline measures for the PATS on the deflate gate thing. ??? They get a free ride?
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my opinion on the matter is this:
draft picks should be taken away from teams who break rules in order to benefit on game day, so as to offset the competitive advantage they gained/hoped to gain.
if no competitive advantage was gained, or there was not intent to gain such advantage, the team should not be punished in such a way as to "even things up" by putting them at a disadvantage (taking draft picks).
I dont know exactly what happened, but i hope the NFL sees it in a similar way, and does not put the team at a disadvantage, when they never sought an advantage in the first place.
however, i do believe ray farmer deserves a FINE for breaking those rules, and ultimately, if he was seeking and advantage by texting, we do deserve to lose a draft pick.
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[quote=eotab][color:#FFFFFF] I understand the Browns deserve to be punished....but I might smash something if it is a first round pick +1.... I am already getting pissed off 
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I'm thinking the Browns perhaps already know their penalty of handing over picks...thus the reasoning of Farmer trying to obtain comp. picks next year??
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Maybe they made a deal, take a 4th rounder from us, so you can show "who's boss" to everyone else..
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I think Farmer will be penalized but i doubt the Browns will be. I think he personally could receive a 6 to 8 game suspension and a hefty fine. The Browns i expect a fine as well.
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I think Farmer will be penalized but i doubt the Browns will be. I think he personally could receive a 6 to 8 game suspension and a hefty fine. The Browns i expect a fine as well. ThAt was my guess as well.... I won't be totally surprised if we lose a late round pick...I'd be floored if we lose a pick from the first to days
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We should all just take a guess at the punishment and we'll see who's the super fart smella at the end of the day.
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I'm (foolishly) going nuclear:
1st & 3rd rounder, suspend Farmer for the first 6 games and $2M fine.
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Just a guess from me but I am thinking a 5th or 6th round pick. A four game suspension that will be served during the regular season, and a fine or 300 to 500 K
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Just a guess from me but I am thinking a 5th or 6th round pick. A four game suspension that will be served during the regular season, and a fine or 300 to 500 K I could live with that. It would still be incredibly disproportionate to punishments that the dolls of the NFL would receive, but it wouldn't cause steam to come out of my ears. And as far as punishments being equal for all NFL teams, as Clevesteve affectionately puts it ...and a saying I like quite a bit ... Because Browns. And well because Goodell is likely the most crooked Commissioner in the history of sports.
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personally I think the "reported to be severe" would be the Falcons 2 years of cheating canned noise when opponents O was on the field. Compared to our Dumb Ass pissing contest in the heat of a game! That had nothing to do with us trying to take an unfair advantage of a team...maybe that's what is wrong with us...lol 
I think Suspended games (most his work is done.) He can visit other team games and scout for next years FA market!
And Big fine. 100-500K somewhere in there.
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I just hope its not a draft pick in any of the first 3 rd's. we need all the picks we have especially the high ones.
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And if, just for the sake of arguement, if Farmers intent was to get better players into the line up, or better plays to be called on the field, then his intent was to get an advantage over what was currently transpiring on the field of play, no matter the outcome. This is ridiculous. I don't think you can honestly think that's what the rule is about. I honestly think that will be the stand the NFL will take. I believe they will say that any time a member of the FO tries to change the line up or the play calls, they are looking to gain an advantage. If they felt the teams line up and play calling were just fine as is, they wouldn't be trying to change any of it. As I said, I was making that statement, "just for the sake of argument". However, when the NFL makes such a statement, nobody has the right to argue in terms of making a difference.
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I honestly think that will be the stand the NFL will take.
I believe they will say that any time a member of the FO tries to change the line up or the play calls, they are looking to gain an advantage. If they felt the teams line up and play calling were just fine as is, they wouldn't be trying to change any of it.
As I said, I was making that statement, "just for the sake of argument". However, when the NFL makes such a statement, nobody has the right to argue in terms of making a difference. OK yeah I agree with this.
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I guess I really don't care what happens to Farmer, he was an idiot for texting. Fine him 500K and let him sit out 6 weeks.
But I am going to be really upset if it costs the Browns any draft picks. I just don't see how this affected the results on the field. The browns did not gain any advantage.
Now, I can see the Falcons getting drilled with draft picks and a significant fine. Piped in noise affects the play.
I am going to be really curious to see how the patriots escape the deflate gate mess... That seems like something that affects the play on the field as well. BUT Kraft is a supporter of the commish, and he needs all the help he can get right now.
So in order of severity of penalties, its the falcons getting hammered, followed by the pats, and then the browns with a fine and suspension. Hope I'm right.
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Based on the fact that no one can, or wants to, prove that NE actually did anything..
I assumed it will be drug out till no one cares and then swept under the rug.
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I guess I really don't care what happens to Farmer, he was an idiot for texting. Fine him 500K and let him sit out 6 weeks.
But I am going to be really upset if it costs the Browns any draft picks. I just don't see how this affected the results on the field. The browns did not gain any advantage.
Now, I can see the Falcons getting drilled with draft picks and a significant fine. Piped in noise affects the play.
I am going to be really curious to see how the patriots escape the deflate gate mess... That seems like something that affects the play on the field as well. BUT Kraft is a supporter of the commish, and he needs all the help he can get right now.
So in order of severity of penalties, its the falcons getting hammered, followed by the pats, and then the browns with a fine and suspension. Hope I'm right. There is also the aspect of time involved here. The Falcons pumped in crowd noise into their games for 2 years. 2 years! There is an enormous difference between one instance where a team executive does something stupid in the heat of a game, and where a team consciously decides to cheat. The Falcons cheated, and did so for a full 2 years worth of games. I don't see much happening to the Pats. I just don't know who you blame for that. We'll see though.
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I don't see much happening to the Pats. I just don't know who you blame for that. We'll see though. i'm not sure that you really need to find "the person" to blame, it's an organization thing. It happened, one set of balls were low, the other set wasn't. Who did it really doesn't matter to me. I doubt any lengthy review will actually find the person that did it.... but it wouldn't have happened without Brady approving it. I just hit a late round draft pick and call it good. But the commish likes his 50 million a year job, i doubt he burns a bridge, so the pats will get off.
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I blame shanny for being a whiney little female dog.
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j/c: Browns GM Ray Farmer also expected to be suspended for Text-gate role but Cleveland is not expected to lose a draft pick, per sources.
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Schefter Browns GM Ray Farmer also expected to be suspended for Text-gate role but Cleveland is not expected to lose a draft pick, per sources.
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Now all the doom and gloomers can finally stop crying about something that is not a big deal.
you had a good run Hank.
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j/c: Browns GM Ray Farmer also expected to be suspended for Text-gate role but Cleveland is not expected to lose a draft pick, per sources. You beat me. No draft pick.
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j/c: Browns GM Ray Farmer also expected to be suspended for Text-gate role but Cleveland is not expected to lose a draft pick, per sources. Oh wow, very nice if true! Whew they were saying a 2nd round or 4th round, those would have hurt and been a bit unfair. Fining and suspending Farmer seems fair and legit consequences IMO.
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I know GMs do stuff during the season, but what exactly do they do? It's not like the whole scouting staff is suspended. This was the best outcome possible
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Good news - I was expecting the worst. Its the Cleveland in me.
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I hope he doesn't try it again people around here form bad habits and even when their caught go right back and do it again. Haslam got away with one this time, NOT Farmer would be my guess.
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I know GMs do stuff during the season, but what exactly do they do? It's not like the whole scouting staff is suspended. This was the best outcome possible And will the suspension be during the draft?
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I hope he doesn't try it again people around here form bad habits and even when their caught go right back and do it again. Haslam got away with one this time, NOT Farmer would be my guess. Confused, why did Haslam get away with anything?
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MY guess is Farmer did the deed because Haslam told him too.. Just like the Pilot thing....Some one takes the fall for Haslam's bad behavior...
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I hope he doesn't try it again people around here form bad habits and even when their caught go right back and do it again. Haslam got away with one this time, NOT Farmer would be my guess. Confused, why did Haslam get away with anything? Because regardless of what Haslam, Farmer and Pet have said... Haslam told Farmer what to text and Farmer is only taking the bullet for Haslam.
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Schefter Browns GM Ray Farmer also expected to be suspended for Text-gate role but Cleveland is not expected to lose a draft pick, per sources.  Fair and just if you ask me...
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j/c: #Browns have been fined $250,000 or Text-gate and Ray Farmer has been suspended without pay for first four games of season. .....bullet dodged.
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