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well at least the coaching staff gets a 4 game break from the constant badgering about which players to play and the playcalling. too bad he wasnt banned for 16 games.

Outside of that, not much. Just a guess on my part. But I think it's possible that they buy some burner phones (meaning untracable) and if anything of importance comes up, they are on the phone with Farmer in a heartbeat.

Good luck in proving it NFL

Teams tend to shuffle through players in those 1st weeks, especially on the practice squad, and if they have injuries coming out of camp.

I am sure that we'll have extensive plans for that time .... but it could be a detriment to the team not having him available at that time.

So Farmer’s suspension will not start until after the Browns select their “final” roster in the week before the opener and assemble their practice squad.

Transactions always take place after the final roster cutdown, however. In the same period of time a year ago, the Browns made approximately 27 player transactions of varying degree of importance. Players who were acquired during that time who are still on the roster include running back Shaun Draughn, linebacker Scott Solomon, long snapper Charley Hughlett and receiver Rodney Smith.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=43611

Per Troy Vincents statement: Farmer suspended 4 games without pay statement report also spells out when / duration of said suspension

not sure what you are asking for

Haslam, Farmer and Pet numerous times stated that Farmer was the culprit and no one else... that can be easily found

The other half was about posters that stated more than once that Farmer was only covering for his boss and that Haslam was behind it all.. no, there is no proof and now even less, unless of course one thinks the NFL is protecting Haslam./

I wonder if Jimmy will decide to do Ray's job in his absence? Who do we have in place to step up? Didn't we bring in a consultant for Farmer from the Chiefs last year? If we are going to be making moves I'd like to know who is behind them.

He got suspended for breaking NFL rules, drafted a project flier QB that should've gone in the 3rd-4th in the first round, and spent his other first on a CB who couldn't see the field on a team that lacked depth at the position. And on top of that, he spent most of his pressers sounding like a guy who won a contest.

It wasn't a glowing year for Ray.

Come on man, name me some "Experts" or "Publications" that had Johnny going in the 3rd or 4th rd., and that CB your talking about was rated at the Top of his position entering the draft, so Farmer picked 2 players were projected to go in or close to the top half of the 1st rd., and whose to say they won't turn it around this year, if so I would say Farmer had a Real Good draft ... JMHO

Those transactions aren't quite right. We didn't get Draughn or Solomon until much later. Here's what we did last year in that time:

09/20/2014 WR Charles Johnson signed to Minnesota's active roster.
09/16/2014 Ifeanyi Momah (WR) released from the practice squad.
09/16/2014 Allen Bradford (LB) signed to the practice squad.
09/10/2014 James Brown (OL) released from the practice squad
09/09/2014 Justin Staples (LB) released from practice squad.
09/09/2014 Aaron Berry (CB) has his contract terminated.
09/09/2014 Ryan Seymour (OL) waived
09/09/2014 Ifeanyi Momah (WR) signed to the practice squad.
09/09/2014 Gerell Robinsin (TE) signed to the active roster from Denver's practice squad
09/08/2014 Emmanuel Ogbuehi (TE) released from the practice squad
09/08/2014 Calvin Barnett (DL) signed to the practice squad
09/02/2014 Caylin Hauptmann (OL) waived/failed physical
09/01/2014 Karim Barton (OL) added to the practice squad.
09/01/2014 Charles Johnson (WR) added to the Browns practice squad.
09/01/2014 Kiero Small (FB) signed to the practice squad
09/01/2014 Vinston Painter (OL) signed to active roster from Denver's practice squad
09/01/2014 Patrick Lewis (OL) added to the practice squad
08/31/2014 Connor Shaw (QB) added to the practice squad.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions.html

Maybe this will shut the people up who always think it's the league against the Browns. Probably not but it should. Farmer and the Browns got extremely lucky not to lose any draft picks. Unfortunately, the freakin idiots will throw away the pick(s) anyway. The Browns don't need help from the league to be losers, they do just fine by themselves.

Despite the fact that I think the whole situation is Bull, and I don't understand how any rule could be broken by using a phone, when you are allowed to communicate from the box to the field during games anyway,

Despite all that, what SHOULD happen, is the Browns need to set up some outside source, completely unrelated to ... and not even set up by the Browns, but somebody needs to give Farmer something to do to make sure he doesn't lose any pay, and has a productive 4 and a half weeks, football wise, not sipping tequila's on some beach somewhere.

And why does this league hate the Browns so much, or think it's a small thing to suspend its members 4 weeks +, again and again.

This commissioner, and this change for change's sake attitude that's appeared in recent years, is the biggest detriment to the future and popularity of the NFL since the leagues merged.

Seems disproportionate to me when compared to Atlanta's punishment.

Way disproportionate.

Farmer's top assistant is Bill Kuharich, who has experience as a GM in the NFL (Saints, 1996-2000). I'm sure he can handle any situation that might arise during Farmer's absence.

1) One should never rely on 'publications' or 'experts' in regards to how the draft will/or should turn out. Most of the time, they're on the outside looking in, and more often than not are comically incorrect in hindsight.

2) There were plenty. Some even said sixth round.

Myself, I said he was a 3rd-4th round flier/project type that would get drafted in the late first/early second by a team gullible enough to buy the hype.

I wasn't alone in this opinion. It wasn't even a minority opinion. Consensus was pretty even on 'boom-or-bust' with him, most supporters and detractors alike.

And I'm sorry, but when you're a gutter team, and you bomb first round picks, it's not a 'good' draft. Period.

Right now, we're looking at 'guy who will be out of the NFL in 1-2 years', and 'guy you hope gets his head on right because the physical tools are there'. That's nice if we're talking about the 3rd round. It's a failure if you're talking about two cracks in the 1st.

I gave Farmer the benefit of the doubt early. I even surmised that Haslam most likely pulled the trigger on Johnny, in the optimistic hope that our GM wasn't that inept. But his track record is bad, and when he speaks, he tends to remove all doubt.

He will be fired within 1-2 years. Bank it.

I agree for the most part. I have some hope for Gilbert, perhaps naive hope, but hope.

Manziel is a lost cause. NFL success in his case would be the single greatest defying-the-odds NFL QB story I've ever seen in my life.

Gilbert has all of the physical tools. If the light goes on mentally, it can work.

Manziel is more of an uphill climb. Even if he had his house in order from day one, NFL success would've been tough for him. The fact that he's an idiot makes it difficult.

I said from day one I wasn't discouraged by Manziel's 'persona' or 'partying' so much as his lack of common sense. QB's are CEO's. It's a different class, a different breed, for better or worse. And Manziel never demonstrated 'it' in that regard, college professional.

Big Ben is the only QB in the modern era to prove that hypothesis wrong.

It's a dart board, and a homeless guy has the darts.

I so wished the NFL would have banned the "texting" GM from the first round of the draft. Sadly, he will be there.

I agree - I watched Kareem Jackson have a horrible rookie ye at in houston and he's had a pretty nice career so far.... I'm hoping Gilbert will have a much better sophomore year

j/c:

I drove over 550 miles today and was listening to various sports radio stations on XM.

The news about the Browns was not huge in comparison to the NCAAA tournament, but it was still news and it was yet another embarrassment for the Browns.

Do we ever make the news for doing something right?

I agree w/the NFL in that no picks should have been taken away from the Browns. They also suspended Farmer AFTER the draft, which was cool.

The Browns did NOT gain a competitive advantage like Atlanta did.

Heck, I actually think the Browns had a competitive DISADVANTAGE from Farmer's texts. Tell me, what does that arrogant, ignorant turd know about play calling? Where is his experience? Who the hell is he to critique Shanny? Seriously!

Players are not going to want to play for a turd like Farmer. Good coaches are not going to want to come here. We'll end up w/players like McCown and coaches like McConnel and the other guy we got from Oakland.

My contention throughout this disaster wasn't that the Browns should be punished much because of the rule breaking, but how it highlighted how freaking dysfunctional this franchise is under the guidance of Haslam and Farmer.

I think Kareem Jackson played nickel his rc year...struggled badly his second year then finally became good...I could be wrong (as I followed him some as I liked him coming out of college) but its not unheard for CBs to struggle...I remember Dee Milliner looked awful his rc year, then looked very strong his final 3-4 games (I know he suffered from injury but was beginning to get it) I'm hoping as well Gilbert gets it and gives us a premier corner duo...However I think his biggest struggle is his horrible tackling and getting tangled up too easy...His coverage seemed a little better

Your'e preaching to the choir here Versatile Dog. Are you a truck driver? That's a lot of miles!

My contention throughout this disaster wasn't that the Browns should be punished much because of the rule breaking, but how it highlighted how freaking dysfunctional this franchise is under the guidance of Haslam and Farmer.


Vers.. I have been watching these developments from afar and this total affair smells like a Jimmy "Slick" Haslam production. Think, why would Farmer, who has been a GM understudy for years do the on thing a GM cannot do, from his bosses stadium box?? This is of course the same Owner who was actively lobbying for Manziel to play! And again, this is the same group who said that they did not know about Manziel's drinking problem?

So if Farmer takes the fall OK, it did not cost the Browns but like your quote stated, there is some dysfunction in management.

Success in anything comes through learning from mistakes and not repeating them. I read a lot of condemnation of Farmer because of mistakes, real or perceived, he made in his first year doing a tough job. He also made some impressively good moves. And, as NDC points out, there is reason to suspect several of his biggest mistakes are actually him being a good soldier and taking the heat for Haslam. I really don't know if that's the case, and it's rather beside my point; it's too early to pass judgement.

Thats called continuous improvement.

Vers, welcome back. And this is a good question.

We won't know the answer until we do something right. If/when we do, we'll see if it makes the news. Then we will know.

psssttt Eo don't you know you have to hit on every draft pick every single year, plus sign four all pro free agents every year or your a bum and a total failure as a GM.

It might be more like 7%. I know that players are paid by the game. I would assume the rest of the people working for the Browns are paid in a more traditional manner and get paid year round. If so, Farmer loses 4 of 52 weeks.

Shivers.

Kuharich was one of the worst GMs the NFL has ever seen, ask any Saints fan. I hated the hire, because he had terrible drafts for the Saints. It was a courtesy by Farmer because Kuharich brought him to the NFL or something like that, so he got him back in as a return favor. Pure nepotism. Our FO is made up of the two guys who helped run the Chiefs and Saints to the ground. Great.

I get what you're saying, GM, but you also can't consistently whiff on 1st round picks. I know Farmer's only responsible for last year, but that doesn't keep Browns fans from being exasperated at pretty much blowing our last five 1st round picks in 2012, 2013, and 2014. I don't see much point in rehashing the past endlessly, but I really believe any number of us on these boards could have done a better job with those five 1st rounders since 2012 than the Browns' GMs did. They over-thunk it and were too cute by half, instead of just letting the draft come to them. Going forward, the Browns must find a QB in this draft or the next one, and they will be well on their way to having the full support of the fans.

Maybe it won't be Kuharich but Sashi.

Meant Morocco.

They both have the last name of Brown. Threw me off.

Homeless guy is available.

That too.

See, there are a lot of options.

I'm asking you to prove this:



I'm asking you or anyone to show me where that was said by anyone in the KNOW that Haslam was being protected by Farmer. It's stated as fact, and it may be the case, but I've read nothing that confirms that. have you?

As far as Haslam telling Farmer what to text, Grossi mentioned yesterday on the RBS that some of the texts were intended for O'Neil and had to do with the way guys were lined up on D when Alfred Blue was thrashing us.

That sounds like Farmer and not Haslam to me, at least in that case.

Nope .. as I stated already... only by posters convinced that Haslam runs Farmer like a puppet