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Connor Shaw? Duh.

Fisher....did he say what year that discussion was? I don' trust that guy...lol

tex, where are you getting this "not allowed to be positive" crap from? The positive posters continually make fun of anyone who has any doubts about some of the Brown's moves.

It's the positive posters who are trying to control what is said on here. Oh, and those same positive posters wanted Banner fired last year. They kept calling the FO The Three Stooges. They griped about everything and nothing.

Now, all of a sudden........they are positive and belittle anyone who doesn't think every move the Browns make is golden. The hypocrisy is beyond old.

Sometimes things are so obvious it doesn't need to be said. Players don't do those things, nor do coaches its the unspoken contractual agreement between players, coaches and the NFL. A player won't say hey they are unstable for many reasons mainly at some point they may one day need to cross that bridge again and players just don't say bad things about organizations in general. That however doesn't mean privately they hold that organization to a low opinion.

It's not some huge leap of faith to look at this organization and realize they are not a well respected organization.

1- Haslam fires the entire staff and installs his people.

2 1 year later he fires them ALL, and starts over but just as importantly he said he was going to bring continuity to the franchise. From there its tough as hell to even get a HC to come here. The word is out and in PRIVATE, Chud and company have damaged Haslam to the point of having trouble landing coaches.

3 Haslam pulls rank on his GM and orders Farmer to move up in the draft and take JF.

4 Haslam via Farmer instigates textgate. Sure Farmer took the fall but all but the most naive among us knows to a reasonable certainty that Haslam was the trigger man. Oh sure we can fain ignorance in some misguided attempt to defend their actions but we know don't we?

5 they say that the reason for firing Chud was player accountability then the following season we watch as player after player thumbs their noses at accountability. In the end I think they actually realized the error of their ways in that regard because come week 16 they handed out suspensions left and right. But what about the other 15 weeks of the season when this was going on.

Can you say with evidence that Haslam was the ring leader, yah based on the preponderance of the evidence he is the culprit and he is the reason why players are leaving they want to keep, and he is the reason we can't get top flight players and coaches to come here. You can add Bradford to the list. If your waiting for a player to come out and say it you'll never hear it but their actions and in this case Skrine, Jordan, and Bradford all passed up the opportunity to come to Cleveland and we all know why.

The only real question is can we admit the obvious to ourselves?

4 Haslam via Farmer instigates textgate. Sure Farmer took the fall but all but the most naive among us knows to a reasonable certainty that Haslam was the trigger man. Oh sure we can fain ignorance in some misguided attempt to defend their actions but we know don't we?

Skrine, Jordan, and Bradford all passed up the opportunity to come to Cleveland and we all know why.

Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone



4 Haslam via Farmer instigates textgate. Sure Farmer took the fall but all but the most naive among us knows to a reasonable certainty that Haslam was the trigger man. Oh sure we can fain ignorance in some misguided attempt to defend their actions but we know don't we?

Was Haslam texting Farmer from the GRASSY KNOLL?

I'm not in love with Haslam as an owner but for crying out loud, no matter what he does there is a segment of the fans there to call him an idiot...

BTTB...I could not have said it better myself. Your interpretation of the Browns under the leadership of Haslam is spot on.

So, what do you two think about the shape shifting, reptilian aliens who have infiltrated our government and schools?

I mean, man, it's so obvious.

And there is a much greater percentage of posters who excuse every bad move these guys make. Look at the conversation between tab and Daman. They are making crap up to act like our FO has it together.

Those same two guys ripped Banner and Lombardi over and over and over for infractions that were not as severe as the new guys.

I call BS in regards to most of you. You don't play fair and until you do.........I will call you guys on it. And I could care less what most of you think about me.

Well actually it makes sense - he stated there was no player involved just our 19. He nixed the deal cause he made it clear he wanted a QB involved in the trade. Now I'm curious if he asked for Manziel and we said no? I doubt it but just curious.

This I think confirms the fact that it was Fisher who stopped all talks and it never got to the stage of Bradford nixing it.

One thing. If Fisher told Bradford and his agent to go try to work out a trade...then I can believe that part of it. But then why would Fisher even get involved. I never read an article btw that stated Fisher gave the go ahead for Bradford and agent to work out a trade. Or I should say I NEVER REMEMBER READING...old age creeping up.

The ESPN NFL Insider then delved into the Browns' fascination with Eagles quarterback Sam Bradford.

"Yes, the Browns were the team, with the second first round pick, 19th pick, that talked to the Rams about that pick in trying to acquire Sam Bradford. But there was no quarterback they could send to St. Louis in return. Nick Foles was the obvious one and Bradford is somebody that the Eagles and [head coach] Chip Kelly have Mark Sanchez as a placeholder until Sam Bradford is healthy, and so I don't think Bradford is going to be available. They would like him to sign an extension, something he wouldn't have done had he gone to Cleveland. So I don't see why Cleveland could sit there and give up a first-round draft pick for somebody who's not inclined to sign an extension. All of these things are in discussion. If we were sitting around the living room, we'd be kicking all this stuff around."

I won't spend a lot of time on this, but how about these four:

--Texting during the game is against the rules and name me one coach that wants to receive texts from a GM during the game.

--Shanny thought the situation was so bad in Cleveland that he took a lateral move to get out.

--Our two first round picks have major character problems, yet our FO didn't seem to know about them.

--The coaching and FO changes under Haslam's direction has kept our heads spinning.

If shanny was so great why was our offense so poor?

My biggest problem with Shanahan's offense was complete inability to compensate for the loss of Alex mack. We continued to try to run the same plays, even though they did not work without Mack in there, consistently getting to the 2nd level on his blocks.

My biggest problem with the QB coach is the way that Hoyer's mechanics fell apart as the year progressed.

Much has been made of Cleveland’s 2015 offseason, but O’Neil unveiled this anecdote few know: Several of the Browns’ defensive coaches had offers to move on to other teams, some with rather large promotions. But the entire staff is back for a second season. That, alone, spoke volumes to O’Neil, who said his group of coaches and players are unequivocally committed and truly believe they can turn the Browns into a regular playoff contender.

This little bit I read was fresh air. Drowning in this negativity and lofty condemnation in hindsight is wearing. I still believe in this group after a single season. I want wins and results and to see improvement. Good fans do IMO.

What is the upside to this condemnation? It must be its own reward. I am puzzled by it.

Thanks for a post I enjoyed a great deal, Dawg_LB!

Since there is a lot of "people don't want to be here at Cleveland for the Browns" talk here - I thought I'd share this snippet of an article I just read:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Browns-defensive-coordinator-Jim-O%E2%80%99Neil-%E2%80%98We-will-stop-the-run-next-year%E2%80%99/f97c585e-216b-4be2-b5c0-c07b381708ef

well, that just has to be a mistake. Don't you know that all is doom and gloom and anybody that had an out would take it????

I guess that makes you a whiner and complainer and a doom and gloomer.

I think it would have been a terrible move to trade anything more than a 3rd round for him

I never liked him