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Did he remember to bring his money phone?

I kind of was hoping he'd just lay low, extremely low. So low so that the only public images of him is at Giant Eagle, reading the play book as he grocery shops.

I can't fault him for going out though. Not breaking any law or rule and he did just spend a slew of time in rehab. Release a little bit before offseason program starts on the 20th I believe.

Looks rested. No money gestures, no money phone. Must be all better and set to resume league wrecking.

All of last year aside, I would like this one to be better without piles of sidecar distractions and injuries. Relieved to see a "clean" photo; hope it is real and also a solid indicator of a baller ready to get after it.

Get what you're saying, but taking in a baseball game during your offseason is ok w me.

LOL on Armonty,, I'm not the board police..

I'm pretty sure that if they had video on me at that age, I'd still be in Trouble to this day LOL

Rangers Ballpark in Arlington has really private toilets allowing for the multiple bathroom breaks, just days after rehab and the fake break-up. ...getting it out of his system before the Jimmy sit-down.

I really dont want to know about the privacy in a mens bathrooms but hey what ever floats your boat Berea. We dont judge.

I think he is saying he misses the troughs at old Muni..which in itself is reason to question

What?

You are nice Cap. I don't get what he is saying.



The guy went to a friggen baseball game. Geesh....

Actually he's not supposed to be outside. He definitely can't do anything fun. Actually, I hope we don't see pictures of him breathing, because he actually breathes wrong too!

On a side note, there were pictures from him in 2014 at a game as well (a quick google search will find them). In those pictures he and his lady friend have at least 5-6 beer cups in front of them and he looks TRASHED. This new picture, yeah...bottle of water.

Time to stop being hateful and at least SEE what type of man this child is going to/wants to become.

Nice post.

Statement from Johnny Manziel via ClevelandBrowns.com

"I would like to thank my family, friends, the Browns organization, my teammates, and Browns fans everywhere, for your patience, understanding, and support during my stay at Caron. The doctors and staff have been amazing and what I’ve learned in the last couple of months has been tremendous. I owe private apologies to a lot of people that I disappointed but a very public one to the Browns organization and the fans that I let down. I take full responsibility for my actions and it’s my intention to work very hard to regain everyone’s trust and respect. I understand that will take time and will only happen through what I do and not what I say. I also understand there’s a lot of curiosity about this but anyone who has a friend or family-member that’s been through things like this knows it’s an ongoing process. I’m going to continue to ask folks to try to respect my privacy as I determine to what degree I am comfortable talking about a subject which I consider very personal. Most of you have been considerate about that and I thank you for it. I look forward to seeing my teammates next week and focusing on football and my desire to be the best possible player, teammate, and man that I can be.”

and hope his shoe laces aren't tied together.

Would change a lot of things for him if he could just come out and be Johnny Football, the winning QB.

*yawn, that's all he's done is talk and me personally, I'm over it. Happy you're outta rehab and all that, but it's nut up or shut up time little kid.

It's as black and white as that in my book. Sick, done and fed up with the talk. Show us and the team/staff, or get the F outta Cleveland. Prove my opinion towards you wrong Manziel, I double dare you.

Glad he is out. Ready to see the work thing. Just tired of listening to much of this press release stuff. Just looking at production. Good luck.

I think a lot of us feel this way DLB.. I mean, it's nice to hear that the kid is out and it's good to hear that he's seems to be taking responsibility for his actions. He says it himself, Paraphrasing: Deeds not words will determine what's next for him.

Oh,, so far it's looking like he'll not be sitting out as per Rizzo's inside source LOL

We'll see.

Actually, at one time he said that he was going to be him, and was going to do what he wanted to do. He was a young man, and was going to go chase girls and party like most people of his age group. He also implied that things would come easily to him. He truly seemed to feel that he owed no one any apologies for his actions.

Now that has changed. It is too early to say if it is a change that will help Manziel with his football career, or if he will be able to stick with it, but man, to say that nothing has changed is inaccurate.

No offense but until "something changes", then nothing has changed. He went to rehab, that's nothing to indicate to me he'll change, especially when he's eluded to that before... He read a statement likely prepared by someone else and again, in my book it's nothing to cause hope for his change.

Maybe he's 'willing' to change, but I (just me) cannot really even buy into that. He like the boy who cried wolf and his words fall on deaf ears for me. I have no hope for the kid, I just have the will to be proved wrong.

Well said.

I get your point, but you are overlooking the fact that something has changed. Manziel from last year would never have made that statement. No chance. That is not how he saw himself.

As to your point, I agree that caution is advisable, but that does not mean that we should completely disregard the possibility that he is being honest and is truly repentant and eager to change the patterns of his life.

Interesting perspective:



http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1slq2oq

Gotta wonder, who wrote that? LOL Him or the PR machine inside the Browns.

I hear what you're saying and even would agree that yeah, his comments in the statement wouldn't have been something he had publicly said before.

I cannot, being the Negative Nancy in terms of JF that I am, put much stock in the words though or view it as a 'breakthrough'. But yes, you're right. It was a change and hopefully one of many to come.

As much as I disapprove of him, nothing would please me more than admitting I was wrong and watching the kid lead our team to victories . It's a wait game.

But he did say something similar before going off to South Beach to party right after the season.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_says_he_needs_t.html

His integrity is held to a higher level, supposedly, since he went to rehab now. If he messes this up, everyone be like me and not believe he's capable of the changes we need him to commit to. Jmo

I'm really not disputing your point. Of course I expect every 1st round draft pick to commit to his craft right out of the gate. I'm leery of every hyped and over the top type draft prospects.

The only point I was trying to make was the YTown seemed to suggest JFF had not made similar statements about changing before he entered rehab. I was simply pointing out that in fact he did.

And if he doesn't mess things up, you will be one lonely guy...(just poking).

I agree, he has to prove he words are not just words, but he also needs time to do that. And hopefully, we will hear from teammates (IE: JT) about his commitment and work ethic when they get together next week.

At this point he is still a Brown, so I stand behind him, cautiously, but optimistically.

Clear and simple Johnny is an alcoholic and was treated for that disease.
He was taught that alcoholics must;
admit they cannot control their addiction;
recognize they need help from a higher power;
exam past behavior;
make amends;
learn new ways of conducting themselves; and
help others.
None of this applies to football skill.
His skill set as an NFL QB is still in question because of his lackluster performance in the games he played.
The health issues (HIPPA) now make it imperative that the Browns must prove he does not have the skills to be an NFL QB before they cut him.

Next step of Johnny Manziel's aftercare expected to be supervised in NFL intervention program


As Johnny Manziel gradually turns his focus to rehabbing his football career, the care and treatment he received for an undisclosed substance dependency won’t end.

Citing confidentiality, an NFL spokesman would not say whether Manziel now is enrolled in the league’s Intervention Program. But you would certainly think that is the case.

And if he is, Manziel could be subjected to up to 10 random drug tests a month – depending on the stage of the program at which he is evaluated.

“We do not comment on any player’s status in the substance abuse program. The only time it becomes public is if we suspend a player,” Greg Aiello, NFL senior VP of communications, responded in an email.

Manziel recently completed a 73-day stay in a heretofore undisclosed rehabilitation facility. In a statement Manziel released on Friday, he referred to “my stay at Caron.”

Caron Treatment Centers, per its Website, provides alcohol and drug addiction treatment at facilities in Wernersville, PA, Princeton, TX, and Boca Raton, FL.

There is always aftercare required following the release from such an in-patient treatment center, which may include enrollment in a 12-step intervention program. In addition, Manziel’s aftercare most likely includes admittance to the NFL’s Intervention Program.

According to the NFL Website, players enter Stage One of the Intervention Program by one of three methods – positive test result, behavior or self-referral.

Behavior can include – but is not limited to – “an arrest or conduct related to an alleged misuse of Substances of Abuse … which, in the judgment of the Medical Director, exhibits physical, behavioral, or psychological signs or symptoms of misuse of Substances of Abuse.”

In Stage One, the player is subjected to testing “as often as is required to evaluate the Player adequately.”

If a player in Stage One is determined under the NFL program to require further treatment, he is advanced to Stage Two.

In Stage Two, players are subjected to up to 10 random tests per month. The tests could involve not only drugs but also alcohol, per disrection of the NFL Medical Director.

A player in Stage Two then faces discipline for positive tests. The discipline depends on the substance for which he tests positive.

The Browns have repeatedly said that they are concerned first and foremost with Manziel’s rehabilitation as a person. But the fact is that once his football career resumes, he will have to abide by the rules of the NFL intervention program. And one mis-step could result in a suspension.

“I take full responsibility for my actions and it’s my intention to work very hard to regain everyone’s trust and respect,” Manziel said in his statement.

The Browns consulted with and deferred to Manziel in how to handle his re-acclimation to the very public forum that he left behind when he admitted himself to the treatment center on Jan. 28. The written statement was determined to be the best course of action for now.

“I’m going to continue to ask folks to try to respect my privacy as I determine to what degree I am comfortable talking about a subject which I consider very personal,” Manziel said.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=44401

I feel this is a very key point and anyone deserves this.

Here's the full quote if anyone is interested.

"I would like to thank my family, friends, the Browns organization, my teammates, and Browns fans everywhere, for your patience, understanding, and support during my stay at Caron. The doctors and staff have been amazing and what I’ve learned in the last couple of months has been tremendous. I owe private apologies to a lot of people that I disappointed but a very public one to the Browns organization and the fans that I let down. I take full responsibility for my actions and it’s my intention to work very hard to regain everyone’s trust and respect. I understand that will take time and will only happen through what I do and not what I say. I also understand there’s a lot of curiosity about this but anyone who has a friend or family-member that’s been through things like this knows it’s an ongoing process. I’m going to continue to ask folks to try to respect my privacy as I determine to what degree I am comfortable talking about a subject which I consider very personal. Most of you have been considerate about that and I thank you for it. I look forward to seeing my teammates next week and focusing on football and my desire to be the best possible player, teammate, and man that I can be.”
Manziel's Statement

I really don't disagree with anything you said with the exception of one caveat, we do not have any idea if alcohol is his only substance issue.

It could very well be, but there has been no statement made concerning what all of the issues were surrounding his substance abuse. There could very well be further issues.

I don't think this is true. If he failed a test then yes..but as far as I know it was Johnny that put himself in. Unless the Browns requested this then the NFL should not get involved. IMO

You know.........you all are pieces of work. I read page after nauseating page of how most of you defended Gordon and made fun of guys like me who said he had a real problem and needed treatment.

Johnny apologizes and you rip him to shreds. WTF?

Yeah, his agent probably wrote it. But, at least they wrote it, instead of that crap that "I took cough medicine," or "it was the other guy's weed."

Most of you are so unfair and unbalanced when it comes to evaluating situations. You are so freaking biased. Many of you make my skin crawl. Seriously.