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Rob cannot even open the door to his own room currently. He has more to worry about than other people.

You know him?!?!

I watch the show by extension

He's currently locked in his room and won't get any professional help fwiw.

Purp, we're going to need to change : / from a smug emoji to something more : /ish

Holy Toledo!

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-...-163558833.html

lol, bruce?

The irony is it took a lot of balls for him to do this.

Well it TOOK at least two

Were they really "took" or are they "tucked"?

So for a year or so now he has been on the cover of every magazine, doing interviews, story is all over the radio, TV, clogging up my facebook page, it's been discussed here... and what is the message I'm supposed to get from this? Evidently everybody needs to continuously talk about it to prove to me that it's none of my business what he does....

Well he's... Er, she's a public figure. So we can talk as much trash about her as we wish, that's our right.

People aren't talking about guys like me and you DC, they're talkkng about those who are clamoring on about "this should be illegal" "abomination" "sinful and she's gonna burn in hell"

Ya know, those trying to take her rights away.

Never said it wasn't your right to talk about it... but if they are going to plaster it all over the news non-stop, expect people to have opinions that don't fall in line... And the only people trying to take a right away is those that say it should be illegal.. saying it's an abomination or that he is going to rot in hell are not trying to take anybodys rights away, they are just voicing an opinion.

It's probably still news "worthy" because most reactions on the subject of alternative gender identity are juvenile or vitriolic. It's also quite a rarity (former Olympian/papa Kardashian coming out as trans and all). So it's currently a tabloid journalism perfect storm. Once people- on a larger, collective scale- are generally agreeable or adjusted to the concept- these things should stick around in the news less.

Anyway, let's face it. Caitlyn is a hell of a lot better looking than Bruce. I know money and access to primo surgey can go a long way, but that doesn't mean GM can just be Steven Tyler's hot daughter. It's just interesting for a lot of trangendered people. Many would make ugly versions of their born sex.

Umm, the ones saying it's an abomination and she's gonna rot in hell are the ones saying it should be illegal.....dunno how tuned into social media you are, but it's literally right there.

hard for me to look and not be focused on the fact that up until recently, there was a swinging johnson attached to that body... so it's very hard for me to think of it as attractive.

Not necessarily about attraction. Just comparatively speaking. You can see the difference between dudes are goobers who look goofy or guys who should have no problem getting digits. Facial structure-wise, Bruce was goofy looking. Caitlin looks really similar to Jessica Lange.

Those people are still entitled to their opinion.... just like people who think drugs should be legal.... everybody is allowed to have an opinion, even about what should be legal and illegal.

And I'm fairly selective about my social media, too much of it really gets depressing after a while... which might tie back to your other thread on getting old and being in a funk. Reading post after post on facebook, twitter, instagram (which I have all of them) from every barney bad-ass on the internet can really lead a person to start to believe there are no good people left in the world... and I refuse to believe that.

This is no country for old men.

To each his/her own. His decision doesn't have any effect on my life at all..I wish him well.

When I look at his/her picture, I can't help but feel I am looking Mental Illness directly in the eyes. sad

lol, who cares about medical science.

I don't understand how you can believe in medical science for mental illness but not for transgender people, please explain?

I told you how it makes me feel and if you don't like the way it makes me feel, lump it!

I don't understand how you can believe that homosexuality and transgender is genetic, naturally occurring, and unavoidable but addiction and violent criminal behavior is not.

i thought it was already proven that addiction and such could be genetically pass down?

If so I'm not aware of it... from what I've seen (and granted I don't go looking for this information) they still attribute the fact that kids of alcoholics are more likely to become alcoholics to parental modeling and not genetics.

Just as abused children often grow up to be abusers themselves unless they are given extensive Mental Health treatment.

its both

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Why not throw heterosexuality in that mix as well? You were born that way, correct?

Sure, toss it in there... If you believe we were created, and told to go and multiply, then heterosexuality is the default to do that... and if we evolved through propagation of the species, then heterosexuality is also the default...

But if you would like to add that to the conversation, that's fine.

what about species that reproduce asexually?

The conversation is about people.. people who are either genetically predisposed to do certain things or culturally influenced to do certain things.. or some combination of the two.... why don't we stick with that.

Make you a deal, in this conversation of sexuality, I won't bring up, "What if a guy falls in love with his toaster oven?" if you don't bring up amoebae and Patrick the starfish.

i think when it comes to homosexuality, the majority of people don't choose to be gay.

ask any gay person, almost every single one will tell you that.

I'm straight, i love women. but at no point did i make a conscious decision to love chicks. i believe a gay person when they say the same thing, that they didn't consciously choose to like the same sex.

Having been without the the past month, you don't know what you have with that toaster oven...

There is a big difference between a conscious choice and being culturally influenced.

Conscious choice implies that 2 kids grow up in a vacuum, at the age of 14 (or whenever) they sit down and make a flow chart of pros and cons and one decides to be gay and the other decides to be straight... not what I'm saying at all..

What I'm saying is that from birth, we are surrounded by people, all different people... and each of these people influences us in ways we will never understand.. maybe a kid has a kind and nurturing father and a mean abusive mother.. at the age of 2, they have started to form opinions about men and women and which ones they would rather be around... is it outside the realm of possibility that those feelings of comfort and happiness felt at a young age could later be manifested in the form of romantic attraction? If that kid lived in that environment for years? And kids respond in different ways to different situations... yes, we all know little boys who had mean moms and not all of them turned out gay... I just find it hard to believe that years of social involvement doesn't play some part in a persons sexual development.

Heck I know a guy, about my age... his parents divorced when he was young, his mom remarried and moved away, his dad was a man-whore... bringing home different women all the time, one would move in for a while, then she'd split. He was an ass, treated each one crappier than the last one, this kid would tell me about the fights and throwing things... that kid, as we got older, had zero respect for women. He became sexually active at about 14 and would sleep with any girl that would let him but he never really had a decent relationship... about 4 years after high school I heard he was in jail for rape... now I doubt he sat down and decided to have that opinion of women.. it was a learned through years of conditioning...

And the usual disclaimer - not equating homosexuality with rapist or other.. just trying to point out that our views on sexual "relationships" can be formed from what we see growing up.. most seem to be very subtle, this was a very obvious correlation.. I can give a few other examples of people who are gay and I know them very well and have no idea if/how they were influenced... maybe they weren't.

thats a nice story but doesn't really apply.

that changed his view on how to treat women. it didn't change his sexual orientation. if that was the end result, then maybe i could see your PoV, but it wasn't. not even close.

society changes your personality. not your sexual orientation, IMO.

example. If i grew up in a rich lifestyle my entire life, i'd talk different, dress different, look at people differently than how i was actually raised.

but my sexual orientation doesn't change that. the only thing that changes is how i'm viewing the opposite sex being treated on a daily basis. but once again, there was no factor that determined during puberty if i was gonna be into chicks or dudes.

i got quite a few gay homeboys(weird story) but two of them grew up in completely different lifestyles, and it shows. one is over the top flamboyant, the other, you couldn't tell unless he told you.

yet both of them when they hit their teens were getting feelings for boys. totally different lifestyles, same results. sexual orientation was already determined the moment they were born.

Hell, my dad was always telling me to "get out there and slay em, just be nice about it"(my dad....smh lol) and my mom was always telling me to properly court women, nice dates, and never force anything.

i ended up somewhere in the middle, i can honestly say that. but i'm still straight. never had an urge to look at dudes, never had to question it.

social life only dictates how you treat male or females, not which gender you end up attracted to. sure, there are a minority group who converted, but they are just that: a minority group.

and speaking off the social thing you bring up. I always questioned this christian Gay camps they be having.

so you put a bunch of gay teenagers in a camp in the middle of the woods, running around shirtless doing activities together.

yea...what a great recipe for success.

That seems like a whole lot of work you are going through to try and discount the notion that someone is born gay. Here is the problem with that line of thinking. Gay people, just like straight folks, come from all walks of life, all kinds of different backgrounds. Great parents, lousy parents, city, country, rich, poor, etc.

To suggest that gay people were influenced to become gay is really a big stretch, and frankly, kind of simplistic. You would never suggest anything of the kind with a person choosing to be heterosexual. From a lot of your posting over the years it appears to me that you are convinced it is some form of mental illness and you see it much like pedophilia, or people who exhibit psychopathic personalities. In other words, even if they are born like that, they are damaged people. It's a shame you throw us into that same boat, but like a few others here, you do. I know why you all do it, but it's still disappointing.

Neat.

Let me tell you about my son. His mom and I divorced when he as 3 1/2. She was pregnant with someone else's kid by the way.

Even at that age - 3 1/2, I wondered.

Fast forward - his mom got remarried, then divorced again, and went through literally a slew of boyfriends. I even went up to her house, because she called me - to get my son out of what was going on.

One day, on the way home from vacation at age 13, my son said "I don't want to go back to mom's house". Again, long story short, I didn't take him back. He lived with us (I had remarried when he was 7).

Throughout h.s., I kept telling my wife "He's gay. I know it."

He is. I sensed it when he was just a 3 1/2 year old. You want to blame that on his mom being a......well, slut? You go ahead and blame her.

Another story - kid the same age as my son. Parents were and are dyed in the wool Christians. They've been married since forever. The dad has an awesome job, wife is employed. Their son is also gay. The dad won't accept it, won't admit it.

What caused that kid, that grew up wanting for nothing, in a 2 parent, upper middle class home - what caused him to be gay?

People will tell you it's the work of satan. I completely disagree with the whole "the devil did it" argument.

Thanks for your story, Arch!

THE DEVIL, duhhhhh

So do millionaire CEOs and homeless people, compassionate people and worthless bastards, so do murderers, so do athletes, so do alcoholics and health nuts, and Christians, Muslims, and plumbers, so do married people, divorced people and single people, people with kids and people who choose to not have kids, people who marry inside their race and people who marry outside their race..... in fact, the matrix connecting where people start in life with where they end up as adults is infinite, with an infinite number of influences, variables, and possibilities... yet homosexuality is the one outcome.... the only outcome... that we have said, "Oh, that's 100% genetic"..

So I'm sorry I struggle with that, I'm sorry it still doesn't make sense to me how that one thing can be unlike every other thing that makes us who we are... but I have always considered you a friend so most of all I'm sorry that you would even imply that I have ever thought of you in the same vein as a pedophile or a psychopath or the mentally ill... I'm very sorry about that indeed.

I'm out.

My wife's youngest brother is gay. She knew it when he was five but he didn't really admit to himself until he was late in his teens. There are five children in her family, only one is gay. He's a very nice guy and we get along great.

Being gay involves a lot of conflict and discrimination in your life that being straight would never cause. I'm not saying that 100% of the time that every gay person is born that way. I am not versed well enough on the topic to say.

What I will say is in all of the cases that I'm familiar with, I do believe that they were born with that sexual preference. I don't believe it was a choice or influences in their lives that brought about their sexual preference.