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That sounds like you know something you have no way of knowing, pretty damned absolute....

Bradford will sign I have no fears in that regard.

The real question going forward is how do we A make sure he is protected and B upgrade the weapons we will have available for him?

SB is about to be a Brown Tab, imagine the Browns and a legit NFL starting QB... Oh happy days...............

This is the silly season to be sure but for someone like you to take that bold of a stance never thought I would see that, so I take that as a NO I do not want him here.

As Eagles try to trade up, Fletcher Cox could be available
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 30, 2015, 7:05 AM EDT
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Chip Kelly said at the end of last season that Fletcher Cox had been the Eagles’ most valuable player. In a sign of how badly Kelly wants to trade up in the draft, there’s now talk of the Eagles dealing their MVP.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that Cox is viewed as a potential trade piece for the Eagles.

Other players the Eagles have reportedly considered trading include quarterback Sam Bradford, guard Evan Mathis, cornerback Brandon Boykin and linebacker Mychal Kendricks. But Cox would probably be the biggest prize of them all: The 12th overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft, Cox has started all 16 games at defensive end each of the last two years and has a very affordable salary of $1.8 million this year, followed by his fifth-year salary of $7.8 million next year.

Kelly wouldn’t take trading Cox lightly, but he may just do it if it allows the Eagles to move into position to draft Marcus Mariota. The Eagles don’t have enough ammunition in draft picks alone to move up to No. 2 overall, but a package that included a player like Cox could be enough to sweeten the deal and persuade the Titans to pull the trigger.

We won’t know for sure how this is all playing out until we hear Roger Goodell call Mariota’s name tonight. But Kelly will spend the next 12 hours trying to get his quarterback. Even if he has to give up a good player in the process.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...d-be-available/

Come on Farmer get her done...............

so we can get SB this year, franchise him next year ( if we want to)and give JM time to grow into the position, I swear BTTB you are starting to bring me around.

I mean what the hell nothing else has worked so... why not ?

Especially If we only give up one 1st this year, then with the other first we trade down and get a 2nd first for next year.. then we have three options.

Keep SB, hope JM becomes a true QB or failing those two... parlay two picks next year into a QB.

At this point, staying the course with what we have seems as good as any alternative.

Look at the options:

Bradford: Going to cost us a few top picks. May or may not be able to play for an entire season.

Mariota: Going to have to do a deal like Washington did to get RGIII. I liked RGIII but not enough to blow the entire draft on him. (that's it the Bucs take winston, what if they take Mariota) That would leave us with moving up for Winston and that might just be worse.

RGIII: Yup,, that RGIII. He could be pried from DC I bet,, Again, it will cost us..

McCown: Vet with a few good years and a few bad years. Maybe if we don't ask him to do to much, just manage the game it could work. I like West and Crow and I believe the can carry the load.

Besides, McCown makes a pretty good Mentor to Johnny Manziel.

Manziel: reports about Manziel so far from good sources say he's applying himself and seems to be serious. I'm not at all sure how that will translate to playing, but it's a good sign

Shaw: Gritty and gutty and lacks some skills. Not the answer.

Then there is the wildcard: Someone we draft in the later rounds this year and develop over time......

Just because the alternatives aren't overly attractive doesn't mean you mortgage everyting to get a "MAYBE"...

So if we give Kelly the ammunition to get Mariota, that has to mean we like Bradford better than Mariota, right?

Considering Bradford's injury history, I'm struggling with this one a bit. That would mean the Browns must be really unsure of what kind of pro Mariota would be or how long it would take him to get there.

Could also mean:

--They find more value in giving up a single pick for Bradford vs two or more for Mariota.

--They still believe in Johnny.

On the surface this just doesn't make much sense unless you really don't believe the Browns like Mariota. Why give someone else the ammunition to get him when you can get him yourself without anyone's help?

You some how keep failing to mention if we did get SB and after his one year, we tag him and then he retires because he does not want to sign here what are you gonna do then?

Exactly Tex finally someone who can figure this all out.

I week or so ago I was like how do we get Bradford?

My original deal was we get Bradford, the Eagles 2016 1st and a 3rd or 4th rounder this year. By doing this we maintain our flexibility in the 2016 draft.

We give up our #19 and #12 pick this year.

But last night watching the NFL network Cassery says any deal that he would make as the GM for the Titans would have to include the Eagles 1st round pick next year for the very reasons I wanted to get their #1 next year. I along with many others have been talking about moving one of the picks to add an additional 1st rounder next year.

My thought was we accomplish 2 things all at once, we move a pick forward and we get a great QB. Bradford is a much better prospect then MM IMO and at a much smaller price. Yes he is a risk, but a risk that comes with a huge ceiling, I take the deal because it makes sense and I don't mortgage the future by doing so.

As of right now I move the #19 pick forward, the eagles have to get our #12 or no deal I don't think. So I up the ante and I would love to land Fletcher Cox and Bradford and move a pick forward to next year. If Kelly tries to play us I go and get MM and force his hand or simply keep and develop MM.

This is actually fun to watch unfold and it will be even better if it goes down we land Bradford and get a future pick. I still wonder if the Titans would be on board for the straight up 3 1st rounders this year and we get the Eagles #1 next year. I think they will struggle with MM this year and that should get us a nice 1st rounder next season? Throw in Bradford and a 3rd where do I sign up.

None of that even matters, because Bradford is said to have stated he will only sign with the Eagles.

So is it worth giving up those 1st round picks for a 1 year rental at QB? If we were guaranteed to go to the SB, then yes, but there is not one person on this board, or on this earth that can make that guarantee.

Putting aside whether I want Bradford or not.....

The Eagles cannot make a deal for Mariota without Cleveland. So, if Farmer wants Sam Bradford and Philly REALLY wants Mariota, Cleveland has the upper hand. If we are going to give up #19, lets get something more in return from Philly than just Sam Bradford--like another player or a mid-round pick. I don't think if a trade will happen with Philly for Sam that it would/should be one-for-one.

I guess it is all based on how desperate Chip Kelly is to getting MM but we have the advantage based on what Tennesse is reportedly wanting to trade down.

You guys make way to much out of what players say, and rumors in general.

Bradford will sign up if the money is there and if he can win here. We have the money that isn't even a thought and with what he brings to us we will win too.

2 things motivate players money 1st and winning second will be able to provide both, Bradford would be a fool not to sign up. But I don't do a deal until Bradford gets thru this season or I structure a deal that only kicks in after he gets thru the season healthy similar to the deal Manning signed with the Bronco's.

But getting him signed isn't the issue getting him here is.

JMHO

I can't ignore what the man and his agent said because you want me to. I mean, they apparently said it. What else am I to think?

If, and it's a HUGE IF, Bradford was talked out of retiring last year, what makes you think he won't just up and retire if he gets injured again. And even you have to admit, the chances are good that he will get injured again.

OK, you state this, which has some truth to it ...



Then you state this ...



Where is this coming from? How is this more legitimate than those who say he won't sign here? I have seen reports stating that Bradford will not sign with Cleveland, but I have seen nothing, except for what you put in this thread, to suggest he would sign here if the money is here.

The money has always been here, everyone knows that. It was here back when he said he wouldn't sign here.

I have always liked Bradford, he was the QB on my favorite college team and I cheered him on in all of his college games and have followed him with the Rams since signing his mega deal.

With his injury history and lack of desire to restructure his current deal if dealt to us, the risk is not worth the reward.

When it comes to my favorite NFL team signing him, just say no…

Do you have me on ignore? I've posted some thoughts on this but you won't answer me

If we trade with Chip Kelly for Sam Bradford it will be the most stupid move since drafting Manziel. And I will officially hate the FO. This would be nothing but a boon for Kelly and a bust for us and, once again, we the fans will take it straight up the pooper. Bank on it. #straightupthepooper

If he has you on ignore, how can he answer you?

Mariota to Eagles keeps gaining steam
Posted by Mike Florio on April 30, 2015, 8:31 AM EDT
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The path won’t be clear until the Buccaneers select quarterback Jameis Winston, which barring something unforeseen they will do. Once that happens, it’s becoming harder not to imagine the Eagles leaping from No. 20 to No. 2 to get quarterback Marcus Mariota.

In the second and final mock PFT draft of the never ending mock-draft season, the trade was included. The sense that coach Chip Kelly would give up plenty to get the one sure thing he sees in this (and perhaps any) draft continues to gather momentum, with more and more veteran players reportedly available to be sent elsewhere and with the Browns reportedly believing they can finally get quarterback Sam Bradford.

The brilliance of the maneuver, if it happens, was the Bradford trade. The Eagles gave up quarterback Nick Foles, a fourth-round pick in 2015, and a second-round pick in 2016 for Bradford. (They’ll get back a fourth-round pick from the Rams if Bradford doesn’t start at least eight games, and a third-round pick if he ends up on injured reserve before Week One.) That’s a fairly large sacrifice to get a guy who ultimately would become a piece of the Mariota puzzle, but having Bradford to send to Cleveland becomes the key piece in giving Tennessee a first-round selection for 2015 significantly higher than pick No. 20.

So with the Bradford (and likely more) going to Cleveland for the No. 12 selection (and possibly Johnny Manziel), the Eagles can package No. 12 with No. 20, a first-round pick in 2016, and whatever else it takes to get Tennessee’s attention — including one or more of the veteran players who reportedly are available, including Mychal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Brandon Boykin, and/or Fletcher Cox.

It doesn’t mean it will happen. But it clearly shows that the Eagles will try to get there. In about 12 hours, we’ll know if they did.

Until then, we know Chip Kelly has the power to do whatever he wants. What’s the point of having that power if he doesn’t use it to get the one guy who can run his offense the way he wants it to be run?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/30/mariota-to-eagles-keeps-gaining-steam/

Get ready folks there saying on channel 10 in Philly Haslam's plane is on its way. JK

No dude I don't see anything you posted out side of this..sorry???

If we end up getting Bradford, I hope we also retain Johnny.

Would still like to see if he can develop into the guy they thought he could be.

Bradford could give him more time to learn and when Bradford gets hurt, you have a young guy with potential waiting in the wings.

I think we will keep JFF and Bradford on a loaner program.

I doubt Bradford will sign 3 years and I'm not sure we want him to especially if JFF turns it around.

M&M to Phily is probably the best thing that can happen to us. It creates a lot of flexibility and it only costs us a pick.

edited for voice.

If we hand the Eagles pick 12, it had better be for Bradford and MORE. I'm reading Mychal Kendricks, Brandon Boykin, and maybe even Fletcher Cox are on the block.

I think I'd still be sick to my stomach. I am praying that this obsession w/ Bradford we have is either purposely leaked smoke or media fabricated.

I just don't see how anyone sees him staying upright for even half a season.

I know as much as anything some of you don't want Bradford here like you didn't want Hoyer here because you view them as obstacles to JF, and your wrong for that stance. Bradford is our best bet this year and for about 10 years after that if all goes well. But having JF here allows him time and it means he has to outplay Bradford which is actually perfect for us, and thats what its all about this isn't the Cleveland JFballers this is the Cleveland Browns and what is BEST for the Browns has to be what comes 1st.

JF cemented this deal thru his play, his drinking, and by being lazy. I tell my girls this all the time. It doesn't matter how smart you are if your lazy. When applied to JF it doesn't matter how much talent he has or how good he could be if he won't work hard and dedicate himself. he now has a chance to salvage his career but it requires his hard work. As for the Browns they cannot put their fate in his unsteady hands.

Tab when I read your post I started to tear up, finally I see this team moving forward I absolutely could not be more thrilled. When I think of all the hardship and struggle to get a franchise QB it hit me finally I believe. I may have to change my screen name to Upbeat.....

Yeah I thought about that after I posted it

But I thought somebody would respond, Thanks!

Why did you have to turn my post into a veiled insult that implies I am some Manziel nut hugger?

I wanted to bring Hoyer back ...as the STARTER. Argued for it with people I really like and respect that wanted him gone. How do you reconcile that with me wanting Hoyer gone to pave the way for Manziel?

My whole point with Manziel staying is we invested a lot in him and he can be an insurance policy if Bradford gets hurt, which is a good possibility. That's why I would hope we could retain him.

You do a lot to discredit yourself with your posts and your running contradictions, but don't put words in my mouth as well.

My opinion of Bradford is in no way similar to my opinion on Hoyer and Manziel. I was pro-Hoyer and am 'SHOW ME what you got' on Manziel. I am ALL Cleveland Browns fan.

Bradford is just Mr. Glass, in my opinion. Way too risky. I'd trade a 3rd rounder and change for him.

Well, I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to sing for 3 yrs. either

lol... fixed it

J/C

Any chance the Browns are sending these latest Bradford rumors out as a way of hoping to lower the Titans' demands for the #2? The Browns call and offer 12 and 19, saying we'd like to move up, but we'll settle for trading 1 pick for Bradford if you demand too much.

It really is the crazy season, and maybe what I posted above is crazy. Can't wait until tonight!

I'm just not buying into it..

I'd put a lot more faith in the Adam Schefter info if it were any other time of the year. He may be hearing that, but I smell smokescreen.

Honestly, I could swallow Bradford for 19. If Bradford's retirement comment was a temporary, knee jerk, frustration type deal and he still has the drive to grind in the league, the move could work out. I just took it as he gave it a good long consideration and had to be talked out of retiring. That worries me. The injuries concern me, but at the same time he's not a guy we'd need to be making full speed cuts. However, I think it's too soon to be contemplating Johnny for a 7th (Not looking at you, 'tab).

BTTB, if you're not going to read what I post. I'm not going to continue to waste my time responding to you.

If the Eagles want #12 without giving up 20, the Browns better get a king's ransom. Like, Bradford, Alonso, 2nd rounder this year and next year and another pick.

jc..

I don't think anyone is really against getting Bradford, the issue, as always is , "At What Cost?". And what assurances and/or backup plan do we have, if he drops in pre-season again.

If we do end up getting Bradford, I don't even care if we get him for a 7th rounder, include "offset language" in the deal to protect us from his fragility and health risk.

Baaah. Our QBs never get hurt.

Weigh the options here.

Option A - Josh McCown. Hope we strike lightening in a bottle with him and he can return to 2013 form.

Option B - Give Johnny every stinkin' chance to win the job in training camp and preseason and hope he improves.

Option C - Trade #19 for Sam Bradford. Then proceed to draft a RG/RT, WR and DT/DE with our next three picks (any order based on BPA). Even trading the #19 pick for Bradford, we'll still have 9 picks to work with and improve the team. Drafting another OL/WR might set Bradford up to REALLY succeed and stay healthy, but again the same could be argued about Manziel/McCown.

Option D - Trade #12 and #19 to Tennessee for Mariota (assuming they take said trade). Mariota is a big gamble just as Bradford is. Is he worth two first round picks?


Safest option is A & B. Stick with what we have, see how they do. Use all 10 picks to try and improve the quality and depth of the roster. Are Farmer and Pettine looking to play it safe? We'll see.

All this confusion, all these rumors. I don't even know what I want anymore.

I want the draft to hurry up and be over though I do know that....

I think I have addressed this multiple times maybe not too you but its out there. I assume this is the question that had you wondering if I was ignoring you. I ignored the post as I have multiple people addressing me at this time and I have answered this Bradford will sign with us if the money is right and we win. i think we can easily do both if he can stay healthy. So for me its a non factor to be honest.

What this really is, is folks want to find something to poo poo the deal and this just happens to be it. Money isn't the Browns problem a franchsie QB is.

I could say something smart but i won't you appear to be a good guy but grimm.. LOL its all good man Upbeat is BACK...

Be Happy....