DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Johnny Manziel...continued x2

Not only that it was the Vikings trying to move up to 22 to get Manziel that had us make a better deal to move up (considering we weren't too far back to drop). How can we praise the Vikings for their evaluation talents on Bridgewater but not include the fact they wanted Manziel over Teddy we just beat them to it.

I think that drafting Manziel was far more egregious than passing on Teddy. I wanted us to take Bridgewater, but as years go by I try to play "What if?" less and less, as it will drive you mad. But drafting Manziel wasn't a "what if?", it was and is a reality, and I have serious concerns with anyone who looked at Manziel and his tape and said "this guy is a first rounder". Had we passed on Teddy in favor of a guy who will actually contribute down the line, then it's easier to swallow. But we burned it on Johnny, and we're still paying on that, in the form of our next first round pick investment at the QB position. That pick was the one gift that Banner's short tenure bestowed upon the organization, and we squandered it. It's hard not to dwell on wasted first round draft picks.

The Vikings drafted a linebacker who can't tackle ahead of Bridgewater and waited until 32 to take him. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

I think the mistake is spending 100k for a study, when you are paying scouts to do just that.

I think the mistake is spending 100k for a study, when you are paying scouts to do just that.

In fairness, though, having additional information is not a bad thing, and $100K is nothing compared to a ... what .... $130-140 million salary cap?

This thread is about Manziel, not Teddy B... pm me you addresses and I'll send you kleenex to sob into... just please quit sobbing in threads about BROWNS players. Purp, you should open a crying room for these post.

The Vikings drafted a linebacker who can't tackle ahead of Bridgewater and waited until 32 to take him. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

So, if your friend walks across a busy freeway w/out looking, do you?

I never understood that you are excused from making a mistake because "they did it too." LOL

Im honestly getting tired of all these positive Manziel reports..

Can we just pick someone.. i honestly dont care who..

I just want one guy to have all the possible 1st team reps he can get..

Competition be damned.

IMO, Pettine has a totally different demeanor when answering questions about McCown and then answering em' regarding JF.

Maybe it's cause he's just generally sick of all the JF hyoe/media attention. Maybe he's just that happy thus far with Josh. Maybe he's just that unhappy about JF.

It's hard to gauge the vibe and etc towards JF. A guess would be JF still has a ton to work on and get better at though.

What I do know - one practice will not define him. And you never know when it all just clicks.

There are just as many who want "the story" to be Manziel's success, as well. Happens with any QB, but he's a magnet for attention more than most. Over the years, I've tended to take anything I hear about practices with a grain of salt. And preseason, to an extent, as well. Let's see what happens when the bullets start flying. As for Manziel, if the Redskins called and offered Colt McCoy and a fourth round pick, I'd blurt out "yes" before they got to the part about the fourth round pick. And I don't like Colt McCoy.

An open mind or baseless optimism? If Manziel gave even a kernel of something to inspire hope, I would latch onto it. But his career to date has been a punchline with no silver lining.

His career to date? LOL.

In a New York Times article in 2012, Manziel's father, Paul, revealed that he made a deal with Manziel when he was in high school: He'd buy him a new car if he abstained from alcohol during his junior and senior years. But one summer night, a store security guard smelled alcohol on Manziel's breath and called the police. Manziel was taken to jail, and his father picked him up the next day.

Paul made Manziel pay the fine, and told the judge to double Manziel's community service from 10 hours to 20. He also replaced the new car with an old pickup truck that often broke down on the way to school.

When Manziel was at Texas A&M, his parents went back to the car well again, buying him a shiny, red Camaro if he promised to be a model citizen, according to the New York Times article.

"We have to keep him focused; Johnny needs incentives," Michelle Manziel said. Paul added, "Johnny needs structure all the time, because down time for Johnny is the worst time."

But Manziel had another brush with the law when he was arrested at Texas A&M in the summer of 2012 for a bar fight during which he came to the defense of a friend. Manziel, who was too intoxicated to answer questions according to the police report, spent the night in jail and ultimately pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. He was also ordered by first-year Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin to undergo random drug testing and drug and alcohol counseling.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/02/how_johnny_manziel_raised_his.html

The kid is very smart, mobile, has a strong arm and can be incredibly accurate.

but apparently he is already absorbing system #2 in less than a year.

Did he interview today?