DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns claim Terrelle Pryor

well this pretty much sums up josh.

"I don't think he has the discipline and sharp cutting ability to run effective routes at WR."

athletic ability is there, with a good chance of publically embarrasses us.

describe josh to a tee.

Agree with you on this one.

Blocking is a technique that has to be taught and takes years to perfect...

Asking a career QB to learn to do it in a few months is asking a lot, and expecting him to be good at it right off the bat is being unrealistic.

I'm asking because I've read it (he can't block) several times so far today and it's stated as fact. I'm saying it can't be fact if we've never even seen him try.

As far as simply wanting to block being enough, I doubt that the willingness alone is enough to accomplish the task.

I don't even know if he has the willingness to try. But there is no denying that he's a physical guy so from the pure physical stand point, he's got those tools. From the Desire or Mental aspect, I don't know and have no reference point to state as fact that he can or can't block.

As for you not saying it in a mean way, That would be a first! The question was worded in a fashion as to get a "gotcha" kinda thing going on.

A PR move to beef up the game in Columbus. The guy gets cut a week after the4 scrimmage.

I wasn't trying to get you. I was trying to gently let you know that you are way off base. There is a lot going on w/TEs in regards to blocking.

I will expand on this if someone else really wants to learn from it.

You don't think it's safe to assume that players who haven't blocked ever in their entire life can't block?

I would be shocked if he could ever block.

well cameron was trash at blocking. he might as well not have.

so not much difference IMO.

No Swish. There is a big difference. Cameron blocked more than most realized. Again, I am not saying he was good at it, but he was used as a blocker more than you think.

I think the thing people are not looking at is that the TE is an extension of the OL. Sure, guys like Cameron are more of a receiver, but they still have to be part of the blocking scheme.

These guys have to know how to area block, base block, gap block, seal block, etc. It's even more complicated in the ZBS. The techniques are rather sophisticated. The choreography is huge!!!! You just don't step in and block because you are want to or have size or have athletic ability.

There is a LOT more to it than what people think.

There is a 0% chance Pryor is better at blocking than Cameron.

I don't even know why this is being discussed anyway, Pryor is being looked at as a receiver.

Videos of Pryor working out at wide receiver:

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Even just slowing a rusher down. If you are a great receiving threat like Cameron was, you don't have to be a good blocker. THERE IS ALMOST NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE WHO EXCELS AT BOTH.

I just watched the vids you provided.

It's an even longer shot that he makes it than I thought.

Stiff hips. Rounds his cuts. Not the quick-twitch muscles that I like to see in WRs.

Not much to see there, long shot stbest

j/c

Two things come to mind from this:

The Browns should ask for a practice squad eligibility exception for a declared-by-the-player position switch;

Braxton Miller's handlers should be taking notes.

Outside of Gronk and maybe Jason Witten, I can't name any that are elite at both.

Good call.

I was always told blocking is 90% desire 10%technique. The guys that are great blockers love to block. The guys that suck at blocking generally put no effort into it. I believe this to be more than true.

He looks like an athletic TE running a route, he doesnt look like a receiver running a route.

Obviously desire is important, but you were told wrong. A TE is an inline blocker. He must be in sync w/the rest of the OL. He must know who to double, who to single, who to chip block and then attack at the second level. He must be able to get his feet moving perfectly w/the tackle when you are area blocking on the backside. He must learn the proper footwork to gap block. He needs to know to keep his chest over his thighs while pass blocking. There are all kinds of nuances w/the feet and arms, positioning of your head, etc. Additionally, you have to recognize all the blitz packages, since you are the guy on the outside.

Blocking for a TE is not a simple thing.

I think his only chance to make the team this year is if he can impress on special teams.

Does anyone see a little of Josh Cribbs in Pryor?

Cribbs the WR?

or Cribbs that could do a bit of everything and help us win?

All of it.

He might be a good KO return guy. He might be able to come in and run some gimmick [maybe not the right word] plays at qb, coming in motion, quick screens, fly routes, etc.

I don't think he'll make it as a WR because he is such a long strider, but if could carve out a role that is similar to Cribbs, than he can help us.

Yes

We claimed Pryor as a WR? Does this mean Gabriel is no longer "hungry"?

Chek out this touchdwn pass caght by Pryor lined up as a WR for OSU.


<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZYZktLdns>

Nice leaping ability..

Dang I seriously forgot all about that play! Cheers for the link.

I seriously thought back then that he was a better WR than QB. At the college level he would have been an absolute stud receiver. Still could be if he puts in the work to be good.

If he can make the transition this season he could be a legit red zone threat with his height, size, and athletic ability. He could also be used on wide receiver screens and reverses to get him the ball in space. And, trick plays because he does have ability to throw the ball.

I could see a hand off reverse to Pryor with Manziel leaking out for a reverse pass. A throw back laterial pass to Pryor with a WR streaking down the field for Pryor to hit.

The Steelers used plays like that with Hines Ward for years to open up their offense. Pryor's running ability will forse defenses to respect him as a ball carrier and attract defense's attention.

If he works hard on the switch this pick up of Pryor could end up being a huge get for the Browns. He is an elite athlete that did not work out at QB but that athletism he has can not be ignored.

Physical skills are evident, stuff between his ears could be problem. I have no idea if he has the Desire, but if he does and applies himself, we could have a winner on the Cheap.

I'd keep him at QB and let him compete there. He knows the offense from his time in Oakland. We have huge questions at QB. Why not let him have a shot at it as well....

If he can carve out a role as #5 WR/gadget play guy, I'm all for it. That far down the totem pole, and you're usually looking at a project-type, anyway. This is probably the best destination for Pryor on all fronts right now. We have arguably the weakest WR unit in the league, and I'd trust him to start a game at QB over Manziel or Connor Shaw in a pinch.

That final receiver spot could come down to Mayle, Benjamin and Pryor unless I'm forgetting someone? I think it's safe to say that Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins and Gabriel are locks to be the top four, right?

Yes I'd call Gabriel a lock

Yeah it looks like it's going to be very tough for Pryor to make it, other than Farmer's insistence we have one 6'4" wideout on the roster at all times.

steve: GM brought up something earlier that got me to thinking. GM said that Pryor was going to have to make the team by doing well on special teams, or something like that.

I was thinking......"What?" But, then it came to me.......Pryor as a latter day version of Cribbs. Kick-off returner; [probably not a punt returner;] WR who runs some bubble screens, some fades in the redzone, some fly patterns; lining up at QB a few times a year; coming in motion and either getting the hand-off or faking it to him to freeze the defense for an instant, etc.

I can actually see that.

What do you think?

did we have one six four last year? for that matter did we have more than one over five ten?

Gordon.

the way he played i wouldnt call him a reciever or for that matter a nfl player.

When we signed him I said that I thought that he could have a spot as a "weapon". With Flip's desire to line players up all over the field, having a guy like Pryor could be interesting, and open up some interesting plays. (especially trickeration)