Nothing bad can come from this. He either figures out the receiver position or doesn't. If he doesn't we cut him. If he does then we found a useful player for nothing.
No one can question Pryor's physical gifts, there is no risk in this move.
Nothing bad can come from this. He either figures out the receiver position or doesn't. If he doesn't we cut him. If he does then we found a useful player for nothing.
No one can question Pryor's physical gifts, there is no risk in this move.
Obviously he's no QB and obviously we are looking at a WR/TE switch for him, but the signing makes no sense.
I'm giving this a and I'm a HUGE OSU Bucs fan. Just can't find anything to get happy/excited for about this.
Oh come on D_LB.. What does it hurt. he's a guy that has potential. He's an athlete and can run. Why is this a bad thing.
At this time of year, with no real expectations, this makes perfect sense. I also get the feeling that had he agreed to play WR prior to this, he'd have been here sooner.
Obviously he's no QB and obviously we are looking at a WR/TE switch for him, but the signing makes no sense.
I'm giving this a and I'm a HUGE OSU Bucs fan. Just can't find anything to get happy/excited for about this.
Oh come on D_LB.. What does it hurt. he's a guy that has potential. He's an athlete and can run. Why is this a bad thing.
At this time of year, with no real expectations, this makes perfect sense. I also get the feeling that had he agreed to play WR prior to this, he'd have been here sooner.
It doesn't hurt. As others stated, he learns it and succeeds or doesn't and gets cut, no harm/questions asked. But... IDK, seems like an unneeded hassle for our skilled position coaches (Joker) to have to deal with when he could be giving the attention to a Taylor Gabriel, Rodney Smith, Mayle and oh the list is ever so continuing.
Pryor should have made this switch years ago IMO. He wasn't ever, in my eyes, set to be a NFL QB.
it'll be interesting to see if he can stick to the roster.
well..... what i said was he will be the best QB on our roster. what i mean by that is he has more upside than either shaw or mCcown and is more athletic than johnny. and thats all johnny has going for him so......
Obviously he's no QB and obviously we are looking at a WR/TE switch for him, but the signing makes no sense.
I'm giving this a and I'm a HUGE OSU Bucs fan. Just can't find anything to get happy/excited for about this.
Oh come on D_LB.. What does it hurt. he's a guy that has potential. He's an athlete and can run. Why is this a bad thing.
At this time of year, with no real expectations, this makes perfect sense. I also get the feeling that had he agreed to play WR prior to this, he'd have been here sooner.
It doesn't hurt. As others stated, he learns it and succeeds or doesn't and gets cut, no harm/questions asked. But... IDK, seems like an unneeded hassle for our skilled position coaches (Joker) to have to deal with when he could be giving the attention to a Taylor Gabriel, Rodney Smith, Mayle and oh the list is ever so continuing.
Pryor should have made this switch years ago IMO. He wasn't ever, in my eyes, set to be a NFL QB.
This time of year, you gotta look at the bottom half of the roster as if it's a funnel. you gotta put a lot in to get a little out. It's no big deal I think.
it'll be interesting to see if he can stick to the roster.
well..... what i said was he will be the best QB on our roster. what i mean by that is he has more upside than either shaw or mCcown and is more athletic than johnny. and thats all johnny has going for him so......
well, he's NOT a QB at this level - never was, never will be. So, you're saying that we have no QB's.
Report: Bengals upset Terrelle Pryor shared practice video
Posted by Josh Alper on June 22, 2015, 4:29 PM EDT
Terrelle Pryor is now a member of the Browns, which means that he’s now a rival of his former team in Cincinnati.
That may not be the only reason for animosity toward Pryor around the Bengals, however. Coley Harvey of ESPN.com reports that Pryor upset the team by posting videos of full team drills from their practices on Twitter while discussing his decision to switch positions to wide receiver in an effort to extend his time in the NFL.
“I haven’t been around another player who has done that,” a team source told Harvey. “By no means did we think a player would do something like that.”
That source also theorized that other teams might be averse to signing Pryor because of the risk that he’d share their information as well. It’s not clear if the Browns claimed him off waivers before or after the videos went up.
The videos have been removed from Pryor’s Twitter account.
it'll be interesting to see if he can stick to the roster.
well..... what i said was he will be the best QB on our roster. what i mean by that is he has more upside than either shaw or mCcown and is more athletic than johnny. and thats all johnny has going for him so......
well, he's NOT a QB at this level - never was, never will be. So, you're saying that we have no QB's.
well..... yea i guess you could look at it that way. its about odds. who on our roster has the best chance no matter how slim that chance is......
The Cleveland Browns on Monday were awarded Terrelle Pryor via waivers from Cincinnati. General Manager Ray Farmer made the announcement. Pryor will compete for a roster spot at wide receiver. To make room on the roster, the team waived defensive back Landon Feichter. Pryor is a 6-4, 233-pound veteran officially in his fourth NFL season out of Ohio State. Originally drafted by Oakland in in the third round of the 2011 supplemental draft, Pryor has appeared in 15 games with 10 starts at quarterback. He has completed 170 of 302 passes for 1,953 yards with nine touchdowns and 12 interceptions. He has added 627 rushing yards with three scores and one reception for 22 yards. He spent training camp in 2014 with Seattle and spent parts of the 2015 offseason with Kansas City and Cincinnati. He led Ohio State to a 31-4 record in three years as a starter. A native of Jeannette, Pa., Pryor attended Jeannette High School. After participating in the Browns’ rookie minicamp on May 8-10 on a tryout basis, Feichter signed with Cleveland on May 11 as an undrafted free agent from Purdue.
it'll be interesting to see if he can stick to the roster.
well..... what i said was he will be the best QB on our roster. what i mean by that is he has more upside than either shaw or mCcown and is more athletic than johnny. and thats all johnny has going for him so......
I'm hoping maybe we just signed him to get a quick view at the Bengals playbook....There's no real downside to signing him at this point of the year but there's no real upside here either.
it'll be interesting to see if he can stick to the roster.
well..... what i said was he will be the best QB on our roster. what i mean by that is he has more upside than either shaw or mCcown and is more athletic than johnny. and thats all johnny has going for him so......
This absurdity of this comment knows no limits.
well just teach me. what did i say that was absurd?
DeFilippo, who got the best out of former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor when they were in Oakland together in 2013, stressed that he's not about to take the "Football'' out of "Johnny.''
"I watched a lot of Johnny's tape his year coming out of college and I gave him a draft evaluation grade,'' he said. "They ran a lot of the same pass concepts as you run in the NFL. Johnny's game is just a little unorthodox. He likes to escape the pocket, he does a lot of impromptu stuff and the thing Johnny's doing right now is he's improving his game of being a NFL quarterback and he's making great strides in doing that.
"I'm the last guy - the last guy -- that's going to take Johnny Manziel's athleticism away from him. I will not do that. I refuse to do that. Okay? And I told Terrelle Pryor the same thing. 'That's part of your game.' Now, we need to refine the other part to make you the complete quarterback.'
emergency 3rd QB and a 7th receiver. why not? and you can still put shaw on the PS. Joker took another QB in Randall Cobb and turned him into a pretty good receiver. If Pryor can catch? I dont see why not.
Report: Bengals upset Terrelle Pryor shared practice video
Posted by Josh Alper on June 22, 2015, 4:29 PM EDT
Terrelle Pryor is now a member of the Browns, which means that he’s now a rival of his former team in Cincinnati.
That may not be the only reason for animosity toward Pryor around the Bengals, however. Coley Harvey of ESPN.com reports that Pryor upset the team by posting videos of full team drills from their practices on Twitter while discussing his decision to switch positions to wide receiver in an effort to extend his time in the NFL.
“I haven’t been around another player who has done that,” a team source told Harvey. “By no means did we think a player would do something like that.”
That source also theorized that other teams might be averse to signing Pryor because of the risk that he’d share their information as well. It’s not clear if the Browns claimed him off waivers before or after the videos went up.
The videos have been removed from Pryor’s Twitter account.
He had numerous rules infractions at OSU, said he would stay w/the team, and then decided to leave the Buckeyes and enter the Supplemental Draft. He now posts videos of full team drills in order to promote himself? Pffftttt. He is the antithesis of a team-first player.
Someone said OSU pimps would be happy? Why? The guy caused Ohio State fans plenty of heartache w/his selfishness and indiscretions.
I've been saying since his days at QB at Ohio State he would be a freak of nature at WR. He did catch a touchdown pass from Todd Beckman while lining up at WR when playing for OSU.
He has size and speed. Can he learn to run good routes? Can he display good hands in tight coverage? Those questions have to be answered. He has all of the athletic ability needed to play the position.
Hines Ward and Randell El were a college QB's that had good careers in the NFL at WR. Pryor has much more athletism than both of those players.
Julian Edelman, Josh Cribbs, and Brad Smith, also (let's not talk about Matt Jones). The odds are not in Pryor's favor, but he definitely has the athleticism to make it interesting.
Hines Ward and Randell El were a college QB's that had good careers in the NFL at WR. Pryor has much more athletism than both of those players.
He's also a few years behind though.
Those guys made the switch right out of college to the best of my knowledge.
Pryor has A LOT of catching up to do. Hopefully he can. I think a lot of it will depend on his ability to run routes and learn a playbook as a receiver.
Change what you're saying? You called him a piece of crap.
Put yourself in his shoes for a second.
Do you honestly think any of the players involved knew that they weren't allowed to trade their own personal belongings for tattoos!? It's a ridiculous rule by the NCAA to begin with, and then it was Tressel who covered up the lie not the players.
Taking cars to drive around from boosters is a bone headed move, but he sure as hell isn't the only kid at Ohio State doing it, and he won't be the last.
Pryor is a bone head, I'm not condoning him, but calling him a piece of crap and saying he's the antithesis of a team-first player is pretty harsh.
haha Geez now Pryor? Boy they are trying anything and everybody they can think of. If we ran some kind of Wildcat with Pryor and maybe only throw it like 5 times a game, we could win maybe 4 or 5 games this year.
haha Geez now Pryor? Boy they are trying anything and everybody they can think of. If we ran some kind of Wildcat with Pryor and maybe only throw it like 5 times a game, we could win maybe 4 or 5 games this year.
was thinking the same about johnny but then i remember he wouldnt stay healthy for mor than 2 games.
If the story is true and he used a Cincy Practice Tape, guy hasn't learned a thing since collge. Does anyone know if this story broke before or after Cleveand signed him?
Otherwise, something doesn't sound right. Pryor tries out for QB with Cincy. He makes tapes of his practice plays. As soon as he is let go, he declares himself a WR. Does anyone else find that odd?
If the story is true and he used a Cincy Practice Tape, guy hasn't learned a thing since collge. Does anyone know if this story broke before or after Cleveand signed him?
Otherwise, something doesn't sound right. Pryor tries out for QB with Cincy. He makes tapes of his practice plays. As soon as he is let go, he declares himself a WR. Does anyone else find that odd?
The guy was just cut from his 4th team. The switch is to try and proactively extend his NFL career. I have no idea if their was any motive behind leaking the Bengals practice drills, but it's Mini-camp right now, how much of it could have been THAT critical to the Bengals success this up coming season? I'm not necessarily a Pryor homer, just trying to look at the entire situation objectively. He's a very low risk gamble with potential for high reward if he can turn heads and make the team. Then we'll look like the geniuses who took a chance on him.
There's better options on WRS just waiting to be given a try out.waiting for a phone call. It's appearant Farmers is not the brightest GM when it comes to building a WR core. this is a waste of time by the geniuses in Berea. Pryor can't even run a choice route at this stage.
j/c...some of these responses are just hilarious...and sad - smh
1. Vers keep me and others posted on his character cause I know I have no clue on that and this guy.
2. for others...yeah transition from QB to WR is so so difficult. Who was it Randel El first did WR at the Senior bowl and won the MVP???
3. All the cries of Why and how could we...ummm 6'4" 233 4.4 is first round WR specs....he progresses to a viable WR over two seasons. Well worth it...but I know you all rather spend a 1st round pick on a 50/50 bit?
4. The thanks Flip for the Cleveland Raiders was a bute...considering we are bringing him here not to play QB. What does this have to do with him being a WR? Hopefully Flip has a bead on the character thing.
5. We brought him here and cut who??? Some DB Fleitcher did anyone know him. My point is no risk to get him on the 80 man roster see if he can make progress. QBs btw have a heads up on routes and reads from the D to make the transition and he's doing it after playing NFL QB.
I don't see how anyone can complain. There is absolutely NO RISK in this pick up. The upside can be tremendous. Even if worse case he is a locker room cancer, so he's cut. I don't care if the odds of him actually progressing is 1% - I'll take that chance anyday. IT COST US NOTHING!
There's better options on WRS just waiting to be given a try out.waiting for a phone call. It's appearant Farmers is not the brightest GM when it comes to building a WR core. this is a waste of time by the geniuses in Berea. Pryor can't even run a choice route at this stage.
Who are these better options just waiting for a phone call to come try out?
How do you know what kind of routes Pryor can and can't run considering he JUST made the switch to WR late last week?
I don't see how anyone can complain. There is absolutely NO RISK in this pick up. The upside can be tremendous. Even if worse case he is a locker room cancer, so he's cut. I don't care if the odds of him actually progressing is 1% - I'll take that chance anyday. IT COST US NOTHING!
j/c...some of these responses are just hilarious...and sad - smh
1. Vers keep me and others posted on his character cause I know I have no clue on that and this guy.
2. for others...yeah transition from QB to WR is so so difficult. Who was it Randel El first did WR at the Senior bowl and won the MVP???
3. All the cries of Why and how could we...ummm 6'4" 233 4.4 is first round WR specs....he progresses to a viable WR over two seasons. Well worth it...but I know you all rather spend a 1st round pick on a 50/50 bit?
4. The thanks Flip for the Cleveland Raiders was a bute...considering we are bringing him here not to play QB. What does this have to do with him being a WR? Hopefully Flip has a bead on the character thing.
5. We brought him here and cut who??? Some DB Fleitcher did anyone know him. My point is no risk to get him on the 80 man roster see if he can make progress. QBs btw have a heads up on routes and reads from the D to make the transition and he's doing it after playing NFL QB.
I don't see how anyone can complain. There is absolutely NO RISK in this pick up. The upside can be tremendous. Even if worse case he is a locker room cancer, so he's cut. I don't care if the odds of him actually progressing is 1% - I'll take that chance anyday. IT COST US NOTHING!
jmho
Its funny but I knew what you would post before you wrote it...
Instead of mocking my post as if it is an agenda driven post with flaws...tell me what I said that was incorrect...ONE THING? TWO? I hope just as predictable would be that my post had logic and sanity to it. I stated I had no clue on his character issues. His specs are 1st round WR specs. Many btw played basketball and just switched to college football with 2 years of college experience...now a days.
transition of QB to WR have shown to prevail over and over and one of the easier ones.
Question to those in the know...Was Paul Warfield a QB converted to WR? Just wondering.
Maybe we can trade Manziel and Pryor to Philly for Bradford. Then Chip Kelly could install his dream offense, the Full-House Quarterbackfield ... the Triple-Triple Option ... Tebow / Manziel / Pryor ... unstoppable.
Its just always comes with a very predictable slant.
Browns went for the guy he is great.
No longer a Browns he sucks, broke my heart was never worth spit anyway. Its your way and its predictable sorry if you don;t like it.
BTW I actually agree with your "logic" in this instance although I confess that is rare these days. It's strange as hell to me that they bring him here as a WR, but who knows, and then again who knows? Is it as advertised?
Maybe we can trade Manziel and Pryor to Philly for Bradford. Then Chip Kelly could install his dream offense, the Full-House Quarterbackfield ... the Triple-Triple Option ... Tebow / Manziel / Pryor ... unstoppable.
Yes but can they throw, a decent pass, between the three of them I am not sure... ones too short, ones too slow and ones too stupid
Maybe we can trade Manziel and Pryor to Philly for Bradford. Then Chip Kelly could install his dream offense, the Full-House Quarterbackfield ... the Triple-Triple Option ... Tebow / Manziel / Pryor ... unstoppable.
Yes but can they throw, a decent pass, between the three of them I am not sure... ones too short, ones too slow and ones too stupid
Yeah we can throw in McCown as a bonus as long as he has a solid O Line and a great RB he will be a lateral move................LMAO
Worst case scenario: If he shows progress and has tools, the PS could do worse than TP.
Kind of dumb, maybe. But he has some athleticism. Should be OK out of slot. As this is, what, 4th or 5th stop? Should be motivated if he is to stick in Bigs.
3. All the cries of Why and how could we...ummm 6'4" 233 4.4 is first round WR specs....he progresses to a viable WR over two seasons. Well worth it...but I know you all rather spend a 1st round pick on a 50/50 bit?
Anyone who researched the NFL's best TEs would know that a solid background in basketball played a positive role in their ability to make the switch to football.
Pryor has a solid background in basketball going back to his HS days. Pryor is an "all around" elite athlete and he could very well covert to WR or TE...he has the physical talent needed to make the switch.
Can he do it?...we shall see, but it is worth a shot. He could end up being one of those tweener TEs like a Jimmy Graham.
broke my heart was never worth spit anyway. Its your way and its predictable sorry if you don;t like it.
Man get off that Hoyer train its so unbecoming. Broke my heart was stated by me about ONE PLAYER...unfortunately your Browns life revolves around Hoyer or the lack of him right now.
Where did I say PRYOR was great...come on why make up stuff and glom it on my opinion.
guess what - All upside and no downside is just that. HE MAKES it it is GREAT for us...he doesn't and he's a definite not worth spit...is when we give up on him.
Note all and I mean all the Browns that have left us I thought did a good service with us and would continue to do well in the right place...TJ Ward, DQ, Skrine, Lava man, even Hoyer I said I'd be surprised if he beats out Mallet - but they do have a good team and I hope he does well as long as it doesn't effect us. So another fallicy you claim on me that just is not so.
Austin...yep I claim no loss cause we brought him here for a 1 year show me contract due to his INJURY HISTORY...we babied him and still there he was on the IR at the end of the season. Good bye.
Cameron...yep I claimed would have been glad if he stayed but not sorry to have him go, wished him luck on his 2nd contract and I strongly doubt he will see it through and will retire.
Most others I have said by too...failed in their stay here so why not say they weren't worth it when they didn't progress as hoped???
Sheard another I said I hope he does well just not at our expense.
You mean I don't root for them as I once did when they were a Brown??? HUH??? Heck yeah - I don't glom onto a player and love him over the Browns. That is not me...I like guys as players and will not hate them when they leave...but I don't follow them. I follow the Browns. If I knew one personally like I did Zuk...yeah I followed him.
emergency 3rd QB and a 7th receiver. why not? and you can still put shaw on the PS. Joker took another QB in Randall Cobb and turned him into a pretty good receiver. If Pryor can catch? I dont see why not.
This.
You are potentially getting 2-for-1 roster spots here.
High risk, high reward. If it works out, great. If not, nothing lost.
I think this is a smart move to give it a shot. That's what this time of the year is for, isn't it?
I don't see how anyone can complain. There is absolutely NO RISK in this pick up. The upside can be tremendous. Even if worse case he is a locker room cancer, so he's cut. I don't care if the odds of him actually progressing is 1% - I'll take that chance anyday. IT COST US NOTHING!
Ding! Ding! Ding!
+1
Exactly! Can't believe there is this much discussion on this subject.. He's either going to produce or he'll be working at Acme Supermarkets, perhaps in the Produce section.
Maybe we can trade Manziel and Pryor to Philly for Bradford. Then Chip Kelly could install his dream offense, the Full-House Quarterbackfield ... the Triple-Triple Option ... Tebow / Manziel / Pryor ... unstoppable.
Yes but can they throw, a decent pass, between the three of them I am not sure... ones too short, ones too slow and ones too stupid
Yeah we can throw in McCown as a bonus as long as he has a solid O Line and a great RB he will be a lateral move................LMAO
i mean if anybody could pull it off, it's him. he might not have been a good QB, but his talent is undeniable. that's elite talent. if he has decent hands, man....WR speed, TE/RB body, with agility.
i mean if anybody could pull it off, it's him. he might not have been a good QB, but his talent is undeniable. that's elite talent. if he has decent hands, man....WR speed, TE/RB body, with agility.
He's been swirling the career drain as an NFL QB. That means he has the ability to understand the game at a fairly high level even if he can't quite deliver at the pro level. And he's a physical specimen to boot. It's well worth giving him a shot in camp as a receiver.
so......what if this guy replaces Cameron at the TE spot? i mean they have similar stats as far as body height/weight, and Pryor is faster.
That would be nasty!!
Let's see if he can actually stick on the roster come Week 1, first.
THEN, let's see if he can actually earn some playing time. There is a whole lot of talent with tons more experience ahead of him. Right now, he's nothing more than a cheap gamble on a camp body.
Warfield was a RB in college, but did display a knack for catching the ball.
Your'e trying to compare Pryor with Warfield?
What? Where in the world did you get that idea from?
I freaking answered tab's question as to what position he played in college.
Good God........
LMAO.. you broke rule #1 in the football side, you used a current player (of questionable ability) with an all-time great.
Heck you could say, "I see where Crowell just bought a Mercedes. I think Jim Brown used to drive a Mercedes." and you will get.. "ARE YOU SAYING CROWELL IS THE NEXT JIM BROWN???? YOU'RE CRAZY."
I think I read that Crowell just bought a Mercedes at the same dealership that Lee Suggs bought his Mercedes!
Yeah, but I heard that Terrance West bought his car from Mike Pruitt.
So there.
(Full disclosure: I have no idea if West really bought a car from Pruitt. My post was intended as a joke,and as a sarcastic, ironic swerve. Where a player buys his car has no impact on how his career will unfold. FDIC insured. May lose future value. Kids, do not try this at home. May cause weight gain, weight loss, headache, acne, blurred vision, memory problems, or a bizarre attraction to stuffed animals. Consult your doctor if you experience these, or any other side effects. Use at your own risk.)
I think I read that Crowell just bought a Mercedes at the same dealership that Lee Suggs bought his Mercedes!
Yeah, but I heard that Terrance West bought his car from Mike Pruitt.
So there.
(Full disclosure: I have no idea if West really bought a car from Pruitt. My post was intended as a joke,and as a sarcastic, ironic swerve. Where a player buys his car has no impact on how his career will unfold. FDIC insured. May lose future value. Kids, do not try this at home. May cause weight gain, weight loss, headache, acne, blurred vision, memory problems, or a bizarre attraction to stuffed animals. Consult your doctor if you experience these, or any other side effects. Use at your own risk.)
In reply to Swish, and the other guys looking at him as a TE...
For me, I've seen quite enough of Jordan Cameron's "blocking" to not get too excited about Pryor there. I agree that his body type and athleticism could lend itself to that, but we're going to be a running team, and I don't want a weak link like that screwing up the one thing we'll have going for us on offense.
Stick him at receiver, and show him tape of a motivated Gordon.
In reply to Swish, and the other guys looking at him as a TE...
For me, I've seen quite enough of Jordan Cameron's "blocking" to not get too excited about Pryor there. I agree that his body type and athleticism could lend itself to that, but we're going to be a running team, and I don't want a weak link like that screwing up the one thing we'll have going for us on offense.
Stick him at receiver, and show him tape of a motivated Gordon.
There is really good news in your post. The fact that Pryor hasn't been in a position to block as a TE, we don't know if he can or will yet. Should be fun to see at the very least.
If Chip Kelly had signed him he would be a genius for doing so and ESPN would have jacked all over itself praising the no risk high reward signing
Ha! I was thinking that if another team would have signed Pryor after his latest fiasco, the guys on this board would be tripping over each other to ridicule the move and reiterate that Farmer is "building the team the right way."
We'd be better off if Pryor has been brought in as a QB (still might happen). And not only that, this Pryor at WR thread would see a lot more people mocking the very idea, had he not gone to Ohio State.
We'd be better off if Pryor has been brought in as a QB (still might happen). And not only that, this Pryor at WR thread would see a lot more people mocking the very idea, had he not gone to Ohio State.
Don't Ohio State fans hate Pryor? That's the impression that I had.
After that, in some order, comes speed, size, ability to recognize defenses, route running....anything else?
Pryor has size, he has decent speed, .....the rest are relative unknowns but I would assume his hands are good.
Anyone agree? Disagree?
He's a long shot that isn't/won't cost us much IF he makes the team.
I'd agree with everything excluding the assumption of him having good hands. I know it's an assumption, but I wouldn't make that. Not denying it, just not agreeing.
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Don't Ohio State fans hate Pryor? That's the impression that I had.
I think initially Pryor got the negative vibe as everyone ,including me, loved/loves Tressel, but I think those vibes went away. Least for me.
Urban Meyer and a national championship will have that effect I guess =]
I have huge doubts about Pryor making the roster. Yet with his athletic abilities, I can certainly see why any coaching staff would take a flyer on the kid. QB's certainly understand passing routes since they are the ones who throw the ball to WR's.
At this point of 2015, taking a flyer on Pryor has no real down side with a slight potential of an upside. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
As has been mentioned, he's behind the curve by a mile in terms of becoming an NFL WR, but with his potential as an athlete, the possibilities are intriguing.
Too bad we couldn't get him before mini-camp. He is going to be learning how to play wide receiver during training camp, which is not ideal. Hopefully his agent has hooked him up with a private wide receiver coach.
I guess I'll just leave this here. Not quite pure football, but I thought it interesting enough.
Summary: Pryor was banned from OSU for five years, but they will make an exception for the Browns scrimmage at the stadium that's coming up. They seemed quick to mention that they're basically only allowing him in the door. He's not getting anything for being an alum (not even a mention).
The idea that keeps creeping into my head is the possible good all this negativity could have on Pryor. He's failed as a QB, and now they're saying he won't last on the Browns roster as a WR/TE (I don't know how many disclaimers were in the article). I can see a guy like Pryor, who may not have the greatest attitude, using all this as fuel. Maybe that's just blind optimism, but hey, I'm a Browns fan.
I am a huge Ohio State fan and I can't stand the guy.
He did us dirty.
He did the Bengals dirty.
I doubt he changes his selfish attitude.
I am okay w/bringing him in. It probably can't hurt, but you never know about this guy. I see him more as a TE than a WR.
I don't think he has the discipline and sharp cutting ability to run effective routes at WR. I think he has the physical abilities to be a good receiving TE. Not sure if he has the head for it.
But again, no loss in bringing him in unless he publically embarrasses us.
so......what if this guy replaces Cameron at the TE spot? i mean they have similar stats as far as body height/weight, and Pryor is faster.
That would be nasty!!
And people thought Cameron was a horrible blocker. . .
I don't get this? Why do you think he'd be a terrible blocker,, Have you ever seen him in a position to have to block?
Pryor is a career quarterback.
The odds of him making a successful transition to WR are slim, and making the conversion to a successful tightend is probably slimmer just because he's at a competitive disadvantage cause of the guys in front of him on the depth chart. Most of them (if not all of them) have been playing their respective spots probably since high school.
Pryor has to learn one of the new spots in a few months in hopes to make the roster and contribute.
Do you really think blocking is simply a matter of "wanting to?"
You might want to drop this one and I am not saying that in a mean way.
I'm asking because I've read it (he can't block) several times so far today and it's stated as fact. I'm saying it can't be fact if we've never even seen him try.
As far as simply wanting to block being enough, I doubt that the willingness alone is enough to accomplish the task.
I don't even know if he has the willingness to try. But there is no denying that he's a physical guy so from the pure physical stand point, he's got those tools. From the Desire or Mental aspect, I don't know and have no reference point to state as fact that he can or can't block.
As for you not saying it in a mean way, That would be a first! The question was worded in a fashion as to get a "gotcha" kinda thing going on.
No Swish. There is a big difference. Cameron blocked more than most realized. Again, I am not saying he was good at it, but he was used as a blocker more than you think.
I think the thing people are not looking at is that the TE is an extension of the OL. Sure, guys like Cameron are more of a receiver, but they still have to be part of the blocking scheme.
These guys have to know how to area block, base block, gap block, seal block, etc. It's even more complicated in the ZBS. The techniques are rather sophisticated. The choreography is huge!!!! You just don't step in and block because you are want to or have size or have athletic ability.
Even just slowing a rusher down. If you are a great receiving threat like Cameron was, you don't have to be a good blocker. THERE IS ALMOST NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE WHO EXCELS AT BOTH.
Even just slowing a rusher down. If you are a great receiving threat like Cameron was, you don't have to be a good blocker. THERE IS ALMOST NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE WHO EXCELS AT BOTH.
Outside of Gronk and maybe Jason Witten, I can't name any that are elite at both.
I was always told blocking is 90% desire 10%technique. The guys that are great blockers love to block. The guys that suck at blocking generally put no effort into it. I believe this to be more than true.
Obviously desire is important, but you were told wrong. A TE is an inline blocker. He must be in sync w/the rest of the OL. He must know who to double, who to single, who to chip block and then attack at the second level. He must be able to get his feet moving perfectly w/the tackle when you are area blocking on the backside. He must learn the proper footwork to gap block. He needs to know to keep his chest over his thighs while pass blocking. There are all kinds of nuances w/the feet and arms, positioning of your head, etc. Additionally, you have to recognize all the blitz packages, since you are the guy on the outside.
He might be a good KO return guy. He might be able to come in and run some gimmick [maybe not the right word] plays at qb, coming in motion, quick screens, fly routes, etc.
I don't think he'll make it as a WR because he is such a long strider, but if could carve out a role that is similar to Cribbs, than he can help us.
Blocking is a technique that has to be taught and takes years to perfect...
That statement is wrong in many ways. As for Vers I'm not quite sure what he meant. I'm just going to put this out there and if there is disagreement on anything I state please do so.
1. Outside of some Kickers/Punters every football player on a roster has the Skill set needed to become a good blocker. We aren't talking about catching the ball, throwing it. I'm talking skill set to become a good blocker.
2. Of course there is technique that is needed but for the most part it does not take YEARS to perfect it. Months yes, years no.
3. Of course blocking from different position groups have a little different technique. Possibly the most difficult would be for FB and/or RB as there is a certain skill set of VISION required.
4. But in the NFL unlike other levels you cannot go through the motions and have limited success...you will have failure. This is where the WILL to block is important. If you don't "ALLOW" yourself to Love blocking there is no way you can become a good blocker in the NFL. You have to have Satisfaction in that job...and if you consider as just a burden of your job...you will suck at blocking. Why I get upset about this guy or that guy being a bad blocker. There is not ONE FOOTBALL Player who is simply physically Cannot block.
5. IN no way am I saying you don't have to practice it. Learn leverage, angles, footwork so you block with your body and not upper half cause then you will hold!
Again I would teach different position groups differently. WRs....I would bring basketball into it. My first objective is to get the footwork involved so that I would step ONE have them Shadow block. Like most things in football you have to lay the foundation first. Then add to it.
Same with blocking but it doesn't take YEARS to learn. If a WR is willing and dedicated I can get him blocking within months. For them its job #1 DON'T GET A FLAG...they are on an Island and if they try to block and didn't put the work in...HOLD usually.
I could go on and on...but I hope I explained this thought process involved. But let me tell you this. ANY football players who truly wishes to block and perfect it. Can do so and within a pretty quick time frame. RBs and FBs as lead blockers probably have the toughest task cause there has to be vision and quick decisions involved. Sometimes the QB will make that decision for them. And yes I'm talking position groups outside of OL - OL a lot of technique that must become reaction and not a thought process. OL total different story.
I seriously thought back then that he was a better WR than QB. At the college level he would have been an absolute stud receiver. Still could be if he puts in the work to be good.
If he can make the transition this season he could be a legit red zone threat with his height, size, and athletic ability. He could also be used on wide receiver screens and reverses to get him the ball in space. And, trick plays because he does have ability to throw the ball.
I could see a hand off reverse to Pryor with Manziel leaking out for a reverse pass. A throw back laterial pass to Pryor with a WR streaking down the field for Pryor to hit.
The Steelers used plays like that with Hines Ward for years to open up their offense. Pryor's running ability will forse defenses to respect him as a ball carrier and attract defense's attention.
If he works hard on the switch this pick up of Pryor could end up being a huge get for the Browns. He is an elite athlete that did not work out at QB but that athletism he has can not be ignored.
Physical skills are evident, stuff between his ears could be problem. I have no idea if he has the Desire, but if he does and applies himself, we could have a winner on the Cheap.
I'd keep him at QB and let him compete there. He knows the offense from his time in Oakland. We have huge questions at QB. Why not let him have a shot at it as well....
If he can carve out a role as #5 WR/gadget play guy, I'm all for it. That far down the totem pole, and you're usually looking at a project-type, anyway. This is probably the best destination for Pryor on all fronts right now. We have arguably the weakest WR unit in the league, and I'd trust him to start a game at QB over Manziel or Connor Shaw in a pinch.
That final receiver spot could come down to Mayle, Benjamin and Pryor unless I'm forgetting someone? I think it's safe to say that Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins and Gabriel are locks to be the top four, right?
Yeah it looks like it's going to be very tough for Pryor to make it, other than Farmer's insistence we have one 6'4" wideout on the roster at all times.
steve: GM brought up something earlier that got me to thinking. GM said that Pryor was going to have to make the team by doing well on special teams, or something like that.
I was thinking......"What?" But, then it came to me.......Pryor as a latter day version of Cribbs. Kick-off returner; [probably not a punt returner;] WR who runs some bubble screens, some fades in the redzone, some fly patterns; lining up at QB a few times a year; coming in motion and either getting the hand-off or faking it to him to freeze the defense for an instant, etc.
Yeah it looks like it's going to be very tough for Pryor to make it, other than Farmer's insistence we have one 6'4" wideout on the roster at all times.
did we have one six four last year? for that matter did we have more than one over five ten?
steve: GM brought up something earlier that got me to thinking. GM said that Pryor was going to have to make the team by doing well on special teams, or something like that.
I was thinking......"What?" But, then it came to me.......Pryor as a latter day version of Cribbs. Kick-off returner; [probably not a punt returner;] WR who runs some bubble screens, some fades in the redzone, some fly patterns; lining up at QB a few times a year; coming in motion and either getting the hand-off or faking it to him to freeze the defense for an instant, etc.
I can actually see that.
What do you think?
When we signed him I said that I thought that he could have a spot as a "weapon". With Flip's desire to line players up all over the field, having a guy like Pryor could be interesting, and open up some interesting plays. (especially trickeration)
Yeah it looks like it's going to be very tough for Pryor to make it, other than Farmer's insistence we have one 6'4" wideout on the roster at all times.
did we have one six four last year? for that matter did we have more than one over five ten?
Charles Johnson LaRon Byrd Ifeanyi Momah Rodney Smith L'Damian Washington
All these guys spent time on our roster or practice squad during the season. None of them had a catch for us last year and there was maybe one activation last season among all of them.
Vers, I don't know... we have a lot of options at kick returner. I would be surprised if Pryor's best as a kick returner is better than Benjamin's best as a punt returner, and Benjamin showed some value as a receiver last season (Tennessee game is the most obvious example.)
I don't think Pryor will ever be the elite kick coverage guy that Cribbs was. I fully agree that he could contribute possibly as a red zone/jump ball guy. I'm just not sure who I would boot off of the 53 to keep him. I really don't expect Pryor to be much of a special teams guy. Is he a better coverage player than Marlon Moore? I think if he makes the team, it HAS to be because either 1) they have special packages for him on offense as a QB or Wildcat or 2) he impresses at wide receiver.
I really don't see special teams as an entry point for Pryor. But I do think it's going to be a fun preseason figuring it all out.
I forgot who brought it up but I think they were probably right that TE may be his best landing spot. That size/ speed running up the middle could be difficult. Could pryor walk in and be our best receiving TE day 1? very possible. I dont expect much but I am intrigued by him.
TE may be his best landing spot. That size/ speed running up the middle could be difficult. Could pryor walk in and be our best receiving TE day 1? very possible. I dont expect much but I am intrigued by him.
I have to lmao... over and over.. Pryor could be our best receiving TE on day one... but you don't expect much... I read this board and just smh and wonder this is why we can't win... Hey but we could have had Tebow...
Dray and Barnidge are blockers. Housler has never shown much and he is already battling injuries and Bibbs was dogged allyear with a knee injury. I am not exagerating and I do mean Pryor has a chance to come in and be our best receiving threat as a te. We have seen non football players come in and show some skills as a TE pretty quick.
Hell he knows the routes and we really dont have that pure receiving TE. I doubt the kid from AZ makes the team.
Your right.. but Dray and Barn came in as receivers..Maybe it's like a Belichek experiment and Pettine /Farmer are looking at ways to help make this team win.... The question is can we experiment with players like this with the QB position we have... Can you imagine if our number one QB gets hurt and the number 2 is ? and the chants for Pryor begin... smh LOL..Only in Cleveland would we want a TE to come in and be our savior... I'm just having fun with this.. But it is Cleveland
I think if he makes the team, it HAS to be because either 1) they have special packages for him on offense as a QB or Wildcat or 2) he impresses at wide receiver.
The more I think about it, the more I think Pryor should be getting his tryout at QB, not WR. He *could* be our second-best option there, and maybe even our best option. I'm posting a 2011 scouting report on Pryor, and then a highlight video. Yes, I know - its a highlight video - but keep in mind its vs NFL defenses, not Bowling Green, Ohio U, or Youngstown St.
Anyway, even if I'm FOS (wouldn't be the first time), its worth discussing.
Scouting Report: Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor
June 8, 2011 By Russ Lande The Sporting News
Sporting News’ draft expert Russ Lande breaks down the game of former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who is expected to enter the NFL’s supplemental draft unless he opts to sign with the CFL:
Athletic ability: Pryor is a special athlete who has consistently shown the ability to make game-changing plays with his arm and legs. His remarkable combination of quickness, athleticism, size and speed enables him to avoid sacks and buy second chances. He can set up quickly and get rid of the ball fast on quick-hitting passes — especially slants. When he scrambles, he has the athleticism to make tacklers miss and the speed to outrun defenders who have the angle on him. He is a legitimate big-play threat every time he takes off with the ball. He is a quicker, more explosive athlete than Tim Tebow or Cam Newton.
Strengths: Pryor’s uncommon ability to make great throws downfield and game-changing plays with the ball is what gives him such NFL potential. At 6-6, 233, he is a very tall, well-built player who looks more like an NFL outside linebacker or tight end than a quarterback. He has consistently shown the ability to get rid of the ball quickly and has the arm strength to make every NFL throw with excellent zip when his footwork and mechanics are correct. As he has matured as a QB, he has become more patient and relaxed going through his progressions and finding receivers. He does a very good job of keeping his head up and eyes downfield when flushed from the pocket and can be an accurate thrower on the move.
Weaknesses: Pryor is a raw quarterback who needs to greatly improve his accuracy if he is ever going to become a quality starting QB in the NFL. Of the 40 quarterbacks I have charted over the past four years, Pryor’s accuracy ranked 36th out of 40. He needs to stride into and follow through on his passes more consistently in order to improve his accuracy. He obviously needs to work on his mechanics, but if he can improve his accuracy, then the odd look of his release would not be as big of an issue. With the baggage he is bringing from Ohio State, Pryor faces a big job to prove he has the leadership skills and intangibles to lead NFL players.
Bottom line: Now that Pryor has announced he won't return to Ohio State, it is assumed he will declare for the supplemental draft this summer. He is a rare physical specimen, but he is a long-term project who is going to need to greatly improve his accuracy to make it as an NFL QB. If you break down all of Pryor’s throws on film, he does not grade out high. But if you put together a highlight tape of his best plays—both as a passer and runner—there is a wow factor that is hard to overlook. If it were not for the off-field issues that have come to light recently, his talent would have likely led a team to gamble on him earlier than his overall game warranted. But now he will likely slide into the late rounds of the supplemental draft because quarterbacks with accuracy issues struggle greatly in the NFL. When you factor in questions about his maturity and decision making, there are too many issues and concerns to take him early.
Dray and Barnidge are blockers. Housler has never shown much and he is already battling injuries and Bibbs was dogged allyear with a knee injury. I am not exagerating and I do mean Pryor has a chance to come in and be our best receiving threat as a te. We have seen non football players come in and show some skills as a TE pretty quick.
Hell he knows the routes and we really dont have that pure receiving TE. I doubt the kid from AZ makes the team.
It sounds logical, but is Pryor in shape to play TE? He spent the off-season preparing to be a QB. I like the notion he'll be Browns new Cribbs. I also believe he won't play much other than a couple of trick plays per game. He stays on the team if he shows he can play Cribbs role on kick-offs. Cribbs was very good getting down field and making the tackle. Pryor needs to humble himself to be a support role. I think that will be a tall order.
Pryor is proud, believing he can play quarterback in the NFL even after being traded once and cut thrice.
But the former Jeannette and Ohio State star isn't too proud to play another position. Even after declaring, “If I can't play quarterback, I can't play football” only a month ago.
Despite those words of defiance, we know Pryor can play football. The question is whether it's quarterback or another position.
When he signed with the Cleveland Browns on Monday as a wide receiver, it was a sign the nation's No. 1 recruit in the Class of 2008, infamous for the ESPN-televised news conference to announce he hadn't made his college choice, had humbled himself to do whatever it takes to play in the NFL.
“I'm going to give this slash-player deal a chance,” Pryor told Trib Total Media on Thursday night. “I just want to play football. I'm a playmaker, and I believe if I can touch the ball, I can go to the house, especially if I have space. This should definitely open up some opportunities.”
Pryor is out to prove this isn't just lip service.
Upon deciding to make the move to wideout after being cut by the Cincinnati Bengals on June 18, his first call was to Steelers All-Pro Antonio Brown. Pryor plans to work out with Brown and Randy Moss, absorbing whatever they can teach him about the position's nuances.
“The thing that helps me is that I played quarterback, and I know what the quarterback wants,” Pryor said.
“What I've got to work on is the specifics, cutting in and out of the breaks. Athletically, I believe I can do anything on the field. When I get on the field, I may not be the best, but I always feel like I am. I bring that mindset. I work my hardest to be the best I can at that position.”
Even if it's wide receiver.
To many football analysts, this move is long overdue. Since he was in high school, Pryor has been told he wasn't a pro-style quarterback and should switch to receiver.
“If anyone can, he can,” former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel told WHBC Radio in Columbus on Wednesday. “He certainly has tremendous athletic ability and a passion to help wherever he can be helpful.”
Ray Reitz, who coached Pryor at Jeannette, called the 6-foot-4, 233-pounder a “matchup nightmare” comparable to Calvin Johnson.
“If you try to press him, he's going to rock you or run by you,” Reitz said. “Plus, he has that leaping ability and really good hands. If you make one mistake, he's scoring.”
The Steelers saw that firsthand when Pryor faked a handoff and sprinted for a 93-yard touchdown — the longest by a quarterback in NFL history — on the first play from scrimmage of the Raiders' 21-18 victory in October 2013.
Yet his 25.7 passer rating in that game was the worst by a winning quarterback since Craig Morton in 1972, and Pryor got only 10 starts in Oakland before being traded to Seattle last year for a seventh-round pick.
After getting cut by the Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs and Bengals, Pryor wondered whether his career would go the way of Tim Tebow's. Difference is, Pryor is willing to do what Tebow won't.
“That was my position. That's my heart. That's what I trained for,” Pryor said of playing quarterback. “Yeah, I'm human. It's just like everybody else. I never thought of quitting. I kept working hard, thinking that my time is going to come. I work too hard. I don't think anyone can outwork me. I spend a lot of time on my craft. I don't really think of it like that. One of these days I'm going to get an opportunity and break through.”
That's the thing about the Browns: Not only are they desperate for a playmaker at wide receiver with Josh Gordon suspended, but with Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel, Thaddeus Lewis and Connor Shaw, Pryor might be their best quarterback. Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo was his position coach with the Raiders, to boot.
But Pryor doesn't want to talk about playing quarterback anymore. He doesn't consider this a test of character. Not when his family lived in hotels as a child, when he never knew where his next meal was coming from. Not when mentor Ted Sarniak and Pryor's father, Craig, died within six days of each other in July 2012. Not with the way Jeannette's DeNunzio family has welcomed him into their home. Not with a son, Terrelle II, who celebrates his first birthday next week, who motivates Pryor to be the parental provider he never had growing up.
“You wake up wondering what's going to happen today,” Pryor said. “This isn't a test. This is easy to me. I can get through pretty much anything. Whatever they throw at me, I can take it. I keep working hard. I work with a smile. That's why I'm proud, the way I carry myself. To this day, I believe you are who you surround yourself with. That's why I'm positive that everything is going to turn out good, if not great. That's how I view everything.”
Terrelle Pryor is proud, believing in himself more than anything else.
He knows he can play football, even if it's not at quarterback.
steve: GM brought up something earlier that got me to thinking. GM said that Pryor was going to have to make the team by doing well on special teams, or something like that.
I was thinking......"What?" But, then it came to me.......Pryor as a latter day version of Cribbs. Kick-off returner; [probably not a punt returner;] WR who runs some bubble screens, some fades in the redzone, some fly patterns; lining up at QB a few times a year; coming in motion and either getting the hand-off or faking it to him to freeze the defense for an instant, etc. I can actually see that. What do you think?
Pretty much how he will have to make the team until he becomes an Actually WR. Work at the craft but give the team a weapon to utilize as he works at WR.
If you remember prior to Benjamin's Injury he was being used as a weapon in 2013...Jet motion pitch or hand offs. Lots of little plays getting him the ball in space and good results then came the knee. As long as the kid has matured in his attitude and approach to the game - works hard and dedicates himself to becoming a WR...why not use him as a gimmick thing. We'll see if he takes to ST also?
jmho...but could be the way. I'd love to see what he becomes 2 years from now working hard at the WR position. That 1st round WR weapon gotten for nothing
I do not understand why guys like Pryor and Tebow don't go the CFL to try and get their game to NFL-capable.
When Pryor gets cut here he needs to go play WR or TE in the CFL for a season and see if he can get to NFL-capable.
Flutie seems to be the only guy who figured out that opportunity.
I still say the Browns should petition the league for a practice squad roster exception for a player who is switching positions. What do they have to lose?
I do not understand why guys like Pryor and Tebow don't go the CFL to try and get their game to NFL-capable.
When Pryor gets cut here he needs to go play WR or TE in the CFL for a season and see if he can get to NFL-capable.
Flutie seems to be the only guy who figured out that opportunity.
I still say the Browns should petition the league for a practice squad roster exception for a player who is switching positions. What do they have to lose?
Because most these guys would be forgotten maybe, and in any case, would risk losing out on a ton of $.
I was always told blocking is 90% desire 10%technique. The guys that are great blockers love to block. The guys that suck at blocking generally put no effort into it. I believe this to be more than true.
As an ex undersized o-lineman I can say that this statement is pretty true.
If you give me a guy that's never blocked before and let me watch him practice blocking for a day I can pretty much tell you if the guy will ever be able to get it. It's much more attitude than technique, especially at the non-offensive line spots.
As a WR, Hines Ward had some of the worst technique I have ever seen as a blocker, but he introduced a lot of guys to little birdies with a proper attitude about blocking.
Cleveland Browns' receiver Terrelle Pryor another great athlete who doesn't fit NFL's mold: Bill Livingston (photos)
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CLEVELAND, Ohio – Terrelle Pryor, would-be Browns receiver, was not an NFL quarterback. He was inaccurate with his passes, especially on daisy-cutters that he threw over the middle to rangy tight ends.
At 6-6, 240, Pryor has the height and high school basketball background to use body angles and box-out techniques the way Jordan Cameron, a basketball/football star in college, did in his Pro Bowl season at tight end with the Browns.
The Browns claimed Pryor on waivers this week. Apparently, the idea of playing him at receiver sprang from the touchdown pass he caught from Todd Boeckman on a gadget play in the Fiesta Bowl after Pryor's freshman season of 2008.
Better than Troy
Pryor has bounced around the NFL since both captivating and repelling Ohio State fans by his play on the field and his entitlement attitude off it. Off the field, he was the first anti-Tim Tebow, the saintly Florida Heisman winner, at least until Jameis Winston began splattering rap sheets with far worse conduct at Florida State.
Pryor was a far greater talent than Troy Smith, who won the Heisman Trophy at Ohio State while Pryor did not. Maybe if Pryor hadn't been the center of the memorabilia-for-tattoos scandal, he would have returned as a senior at Ohio State and won it the year before Browns back-up quarterback Johnny Manziel did at Texas A&M..
The spread and the quarterbacks
If Pryor had played for Urban Meyer in his spread offense, he might have been a lock.
In the spread, Pryor would have had fewer tacklers to beat. He could have gotten more easily to the edge of the defense, which he often reached with his deceptive speed in Jim Tressel's more conservative offense anyway.
He would have had more space in which to freelance, as he did on his critical, 13-yard, fourth-and-10 run at Iowa in 2010, cutting back from the 50-yard line all the way across the field to save the season.
The quarterback for three straight Ohio State teams that won or shared the Big Ten championship on the field, Pryor was the Most Valuable Player on the field of two BCS bowls. Pryor has the size of Tebow, Cam Newton, Ben Roethlisberger and Cardale Jones. The latter was the Ohio State and Glenville College Football Playoff revelation.
Read and react
Tressel recruited Pryor with the promise that he could play quarterback in a pro style attack to prepare for the NFL. But Tressel, who was forced out in the wake of the tattoos scandal cover-up, also gave Pryor a heavy dose of read-option plays.
Pryor might have won the Heisman if he had stayed and Ohio State had played the spread. The play is dependent on the action of the defensive end. It is the pick-and-roll of college football with a high rate of success if read properly. It is seldom used in the NFL because of the injury potential when a quarterback runs.
Neck rubs
Unfortunately, like Tebow, Pryor had a passing touch that needed work. Pryor's fumble as a freshman cost the Penn State game in 2008 on a nationally televised, night game stage.
Afterward, Nick "Neck Rub" Siciliano, the replacement for cancer stricken Joe Daniels as quarterback coach, comforted a distraught Pryor by muttering, "It's OK, T," time and again while rubbing the player's neck. As a QB guru, he was a great masseur.
But the sclerotic NFL thinking refuses to embrace the spread.
In basketball terms, the NFL is still playing low-post power ball instead of the three-point-centric game of arc shooters enhancing the amount of attacking space around the rim.
The only NFL coach to embrace the spread wholeheartedly is iconoclastic Chip Kelly, the former Oregon coach who is giving Tebow a chance. Kelly is viewed as a wingnut in the NFL.
The price of the pocket
The biggest problem with the traditional NFL approach is that some of the most intriguing, entertaining, polarizing and fascinating players in college football, such as Tebow and Manziel, Newton (and current Heisman winner Marcus Mariota), have to unlearn habits and reads they have practiced since middle school. They would ask Pryor to play in a strait jacket.
In the NFL, they must play either under center or while rooted in the pocket, like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, neither of whom was ever athletic enough to scramble in the first place.
The cost ineffectiveness of two different systems of play at the most important position in the game can't be understated.
Maybe some day a college quarterback will come out of the spread with a strong, but disciplined arm; able to throw the intermediate ball with precision and the deep one with touch; able to unleash it without complicated loops and wasted motion in his release; big enough to see downfield in the pocket and with Roethlisberger's strength to shrug off blitzers; able to run effectively when needed, but not as soon as a play breaks down.
That player could be Cardale Jones.
Such a player should not have to learn the care and maintenance of the tedious old wheel from the axle grease up.
Antonio Brown, Randy Moss will train Terrelle Pryor
Terrelle Pryor failed to find a place in the NFL as a quarterback. Now, he’s turned to becoming a wide receiver, and has signed with Cleveland Browns.
Pryor knows that he’s a long shot to land on the Browns’ 53-man roster, and that’s why he’s decided to receive training from two of the best possible teachers. Pryor told The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that he’s planning on training with NFL legend Randy Moss and current Pittsburgh Steelers’ star Antonio Brown.
“I’m going to give this slash-player deal a chance,” Pryor told Trib Total Media on Thursday night. “I just want to play football. I’m a playmaker, and I believe if I can touch the ball, I can go to the house, especially if I have space. This should definitely open up some opportunities.”
Moss played in the NFL for 14 seasons, having gone for over 15,000 receiving yards and nearly 1,000 catches. Brown is one of the best current receivers in the NFL, leading the league in receptions and yards last season.
“The thing that helps me is that I played quarterback, and I know what the quarterback wants,” Pryor said.
“What I’ve got to work on is the specifics, cutting in and out of the breaks. Athletically, I believe I can do anything on the field. When I get on the field, I may not be the best, but I always feel like I am. I bring that mindset. I work my hardest to be the best I can at that position.”
How old is Livingston? I am wondering if he is senile? Man, what a POC article. A bunch of random thoughts and reflections that don't make coherent sense. And he gets paid for that.
Antonio Brown, Randy Moss will train Terrelle Pryor
Terrelle Pryor failed to find a place in the NFL as a quarterback. Now, he’s turned to becoming a wide receiver, and has signed with Cleveland Browns.
Pryor knows that he’s a long shot to land on the Browns’ 53-man roster, and that’s why he’s decided to receive training from two of the best possible teachers. Pryor told The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that he’s planning on training with NFL legend Randy Moss and current Pittsburgh Steelers’ star Antonio Brown.
“I’m going to give this slash-player deal a chance,” Pryor told Trib Total Media on Thursday night. “I just want to play football. I’m a playmaker, and I believe if I can touch the ball, I can go to the house, especially if I have space. This should definitely open up some opportunities.”
Moss played in the NFL for 14 seasons, having gone for over 15,000 receiving yards and nearly 1,000 catches. Brown is one of the best current receivers in the NFL, leading the league in receptions and yards last season.
“The thing that helps me is that I played quarterback, and I know what the quarterback wants,” Pryor said.
“What I’ve got to work on is the specifics, cutting in and out of the breaks. Athletically, I believe I can do anything on the field. When I get on the field, I may not be the best, but I always feel like I am. I bring that mindset. I work my hardest to be the best I can at that position.”
Id rather see him training with Bowe, Hartline, Hawkins, and Gabriel....ya know his actual teamamates.
And he'll have all summer to do that once players reconvene back in Berea. Right now, they're scattered all over the globe.
I think it's more than alright that he's working with studs at the WR position to train with. I think it would also make sense if he trains with, or at least learn from, someone who made the transition to WR from QB-- like a Randel-El, Hines Ward, etc.
Look, I will criticize the FO when they make stupid moves but I don't see how giving Pryor a shot at WR or a Flex guy is worthy of saying we have reached an all-time low.
The guy is a good athlete. He has great measurables. We didn't trade for him. It didn't cost us a draft pick. What's there to lose?
The odds are long that he'll make the team, but it's worth a shot.
How old is Livingston? I am wondering if he is senile? Man, what a POC article. A bunch of random thoughts and reflections that don't make coherent sense. And he gets paid for that.
That was about one of the worst articles I've ever read.
How old is Livingston? I am wondering if he is senile? Man, what a POC article. A bunch of random thoughts and reflections that don't make coherent sense. And he gets paid for that.
That was about one of the worst articles I've ever read.
Whenever I see Bill Livingston or Bud Shaw, I move along and don't event consider reading it. This article is no different. I don't even know what is being discussed....seriously.
Terrelle Pryor used the words "slash player" Tuesday to describe his role with the Cleveland, an interesting choice given the Browns were adamant he would work only at receiver when training camp opens next month.
Pryor hinted otherwise in an interview posted on Triblive.com.
"I'm going to give this slash player deal a chance," Pryor said.
That raises the possibility that the former Ohio State quarterback will be working at positions other than receiver for the Browns.
The "slash" role was developed by former Pittsburgh Steeler Kordell Stewart, who spent his pre-quarterback days as a receiver/quarterback/running back -- thus the slash designation.
"I just want to play football," Pryor told Trib Total Media. "I'm a playmaker, and I believe if I can touch the ball, I can go to the house, especially if I have space. This should definitely open up some opportunities."
Pryor also said he will give his all when working at receiver, pointing out he called Steelers Pro Bowl wideout Antonio Brown after he was released by the Cincinnati Bengals on June 18. Pryor will work out with Brown and Randy Moss before the Browns begin training camp in late July.
The Browns claimed Pryor on waivers June 22 after the Bengals had released him.
Pryor seems to have a very long stride. Anyone else notice that?
His natural "run" makes him look slow because of that - imo. I know he's fast, but will his long stride affect his route running/cutting ability?
gordon has that long striding gate and every coach he had said he has to work on his cuts on routes. always rounding them out. if he can run the go route, WR screen and crossing route starting at the LOS and catch 50% of the passes thrown his way......
This really is one of those times where we can't lose. If he makes it as a WR or TE or Slash, good for us. If he doesn't, we've not invested heavy in him..
Gordon is very similar in that respect. They probably are planning on trying him for mostly 4, 7, 8, 9 routes like teams typically do with guys like him. That's my guess anyways.
I hope he makes it...so we can. a. Trade Gordon when he comes back, get rid of him. b. If we feel Gordon is totally back Mentally and Physical have bookends NO TEAM HAS!
The point is that long-striders are typically not good route runners. They don't cut well. They don't change direction well. They are not precise.
Pryor was successfully long-striding before Gordon was. Those of us who follow Ohio State, know that.
While that is an admirable trait in running by people, it isn't really what the WR position is about. Gordon was/is a freak. However, you don't see a ton of long-striders stick around too long at WR.
The point is that long-striders are typically not good route runners. They don't cut well. They don't change direction well. They are not precise.
Pryor was successfully long-striding before Gordon was. Those of us who follow Ohio State, know that.
While that is an admirable trait in running by people, it isn't really what the WR position is about. Gordon was/is a freak. However, you don't see a ton of long-striders stick around too long at WR.
I think that you almost have to build some flexibility into your offense if you have a guy like Gordon (when he was doing great) on the field. You have to allow him to freelance a little bit, and that can really throw off the rest of the offense. It is a really delicate balancing act. A is here, B is here, C is here, and the other receiver is going to be working to get open in this general area. I remember a game last year where Austin got open in the end zone for a TD by doing a beautiful job of getting open against press by doing a great job of chopping his feet, then reversing direction, and completely losing the DB that was covering him. I cannot see Gordon doing anything like that. Gordon has different abilities,and if you throw a pass in the direction of Gordon, 12 feet in the air, there is a chance he could come down with it. He is not a guy who can use a quick step to set up a DB in a short area though.
You also have to have some degree of trust with a guy like Gordon, and until last year from game 11 or so on, that trust was justified. Then Gordon had all kinds of problems,znd lost that trust. He had one game where he was pretty effective ..... and then he seemed to regress badly.
I think that is a problem the Shanahan offense had, as opposed to the Norv Turner offense. Norv allowed some degree of freelance for Gordon, and accepted it as necessary for him. I don't believe that Shanahan did. This is probably due, in no small part,to the fact that Shanahan did not have Gordon for 10 games, and Norv only lost Gordon for 2 games, and the offense stayed fresh in Gordon's mind in 2013. That is also huge.
I think that Gordon can be a major weapon on offense, but he needs someone to hold him to the grindstone. It needs to be clear to him that he has a role, and that he needs to stay within that role ...... but for him, that role needs to be a little "looser" than the rest of the team. He is special in that he can get open seemingly at will, and just flat out run away from people. You can't take that away from him, but he also can't just do whatever he wants on the field. It's a very fine line for the coaches, and Gordon to walk.
Although not seeming likely at the moment, this is not out of the realm of possibility. Indeed, it may present some interesting options and also a way to keep him on the roster if he is not overly successful at WR...
Question Vers...cause I really didn't see much of Pryor, I know you are a big OSU fan as are many on this board.
Was Pryor just a glider in his runs...what I mean is did he ever break any ankles? I think if he has that natural talent he can utilize the same skill for his breaks in the routes. If he never possessed that trait (breaking ankles on his runs) then he might not be that proficient in his Ins out...his slants should be ok. Skinny Post. Pos, Corner, and Go routes.
Just don't know the kid really. Like anyone would - his physical specs are well worth the investment of a roster spot. Like many hopefully he has been humbled where he is willing to work hard at his new position and even carry a chip on his shoulder in doing so.
He has some wiggle in his moves, but yeah, slants, flies, bubble screens, fades are what he'll probably run.
As you know, long striders struggle w/the nuances of route running. YTown mentioned earlier that Gordon had more freedom to just do his own thing two years ago and that you gotta give long striders that freedom. I don't really agree w/that, but he brings up an interesting point because you just have to know what types of routes these guys can run. Ultimately, most of them aren't that successful. Oh, and I think the problems Gordon had last year were all about him and not about scheme.
I still see Pryor [if he makes the team--and that is a big if] as a slash guy. Kick-off returns, WR where he runs some of the routes we suggested, line him up at qb on a few plays, bring him in motion and either hand it to him or use him as a decoy, etc.
I don't think he is going to develop into some big-time WR in the NFL. I think the odds of him making the team are long, but again, bringing him in was/is worth a shot. Nothing to lose.
I've always thought Pryor should be able to do something to help an NFL team.
The former Ohio State star is not an NFL-caliber quarterback. He doesn't pass well enough. He was 3-6 in starts for Oakland in 2013. Overall, he completed 56 percent of his passes, 12 interceptions and nine touchdowns. The quarterback rating was 69.3.
No reason for optimism there.
But Pryor was effective running the ball, 576 yards in 93 carries. That's an excellent 6.7 average. In 2013, he ran for 112 yards against Indianapolis, 106 vs. Pittsburgh and 94 vs. Philadelphia. The man is a very gifted physical athlete.
The Browns say they will be looking at Pryor as a receiver, a position that he has never played. My guess is the "receiver" label will be a big tent to hold the various roles he can fill. New offensive coordinator John DeFilippo was quarterbacks coach in Oakland (2012-14) with Pryor. He knows that if you can find a way to put the ball in his hands with some room to run, he can be effective.
Pryor costs the Browns virtually nothing, as he was cut by the Bengals. He is worth a long, serious tryout in training camp.
Posted by Nick Mensio on July 13, 2015, 9:39 AM EDT
Since new Browns quarterback-turned-wide receiver Terrelle Pryor has two accrued seasons under his belt, he’s no longer eligible for an NFL practice squad, even after the league and Players Association agreed to looser eligibility guidelines prior to last season.
That doesn’t mean the Browns don’t have options with Pryor. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer believes if Pryor shows enough as a pass catcher and on special teams, he could stick around in a roster spot designated for the No. 3 quarterback behind Josh McCown and Johnny Manziel or fill in as an extra tight end.
Pryor has already said he’s competing as a “slash” player without a real position. He’s simply trying to make it as a playmaking football player who has the ability to bring it to the house any time he gets the ball in his hands. He’ll be a gadget player in Cleveland should he make the 53-man roster.
Vers, good stuff. My question is speed. Can he outlet a secondary? Because if he is a TE candidate, I figure he lacks deep go speed. And cannot block yet.
He makes me a little curious, but not holding a lot of hope here.
Yes thanks for answering. I know I read that but was in a hurry and didn't thank you.
You can still teach a strider how to run routes. Just won't be that breakdown in a chair and make the cut route running like the Hawkins and Gabriel's do so well. Moss would be a good WR to model themselves on. Wonder how much work to get better Gordon has done? I know he was always getting in shape and working out with Little another who was physically fit. I like the fact that Pryor is working out with Moss. It could strongly benefit him. Make the roster well I do like the idea of the 3rd QB even though he will get reps at WR more than or if any at QB. Lewis could be cut and Shaw still has Practice squad eligibility.
I'm kinda wondering why this is still a topic of discussion. I mean, in a few weeks, they'll all show up in camp, he'll get a shot, if he can do the job, he'll get a job, if he can't, he won't.
My biggest question about Pryor is will he get up after taking multiple hard licks...he was a protected QB, taught to slide, avoid hits...his body looks good enough and he's close to Gordon size wise...wonder if he'll block and take a thumping.....GO Browns!!!
He is in great shape and that one handed catch (see link above) was impressive.
3rd_and_20, nice to see who Gordon is hanging out with during his suspension too.
As much as the Browns have opportunities simply fall apart as soon as they arrive, it sure would be nice having both Pryor and Gordon be the very thing that bears fruit.
Thinking what our receiver corp could look like in the future Gordon, Pryor, Mayle, Hawkins, and Gabriel really set things up nicely. I understand a lot has to happen to make that group a reality. If...that would be one scary group to face.
That's great, Mr. Potato head....sweet...he's got the brains of a potato for sure...IF he ever gets reinstated I hope he isn't allowed in building and is traded for something....even a 5 lb bag of spuds....he's lost the right to wear a Browns uniform....let some other sucker team give him a shot.....Pryor, think he can catch, but can he take licks....preseason will tell...once a QB always a QB...does he want it enough...time will tell....GO Browns!!!!
Terrell Pryor will be the surprise player of the NFL in 2015!!!
Potato head II prediction?
Pryor is an amazing athlete. What a lot of people do not remember was just how talented he was in basketball. He was offered a basketball scholarship at Kentucky coming out of high school. He can make the transition to WR.
Terrell Pryor will be the surprise player of the NFL in 2015!!!
Potato head II prediction?
Pryor is an amazing athlete. What a lot of people do not remember was just how talented he was in basketball. He was offered a basketball scholarship at Kentucky coming out of high school. He can make the transition to WR.
Athletically he can do it. It's a matter of whether he can learn the details of the position. Pryor is not the sharpest tool in the shed, so I really hope he can get it and become a great WR. We definitely need it and he is the one guy besides Gordon who has the ability to completely dominate.
Randy Moss, Josh Gordon helping Terrelle Pryor in shift to receiver Posted by Josh Alper on July 19, 2015, 9:51 AM EDT Terrelle Pryor AP
If Terrelle Pryor is able to make a successful transition to wide receiver for the Browns this season, some fans might find themselves wondering what the team’s offense would be like with Josh Gordon on the other side of the field from the erstwhile quarterback.
They can get a little bit of a taste of how that might look by checking out Pryor’s Instagram feed. Pryor has been posting pictures of his pre-camp workouts recently, some of which include Gordon in the group of players that have been working out together this month.
Gordon, who is suspended for the 2015 season, is not the only wideout that Pryor has been able to look to for advice. Randy Moss, Mike Evans and Antonio Brown are also involved in the workouts, giving Pryor several brains to pick for advice about how to make an impact for Cleveland in 2015.
Pryor said earlier this month that there aren’t “a lot of guys who work like I work” while discussing what he needs to do to prepare himself for his new role. The pictures and videos of Pryor pulling sleds, working on running routes, tracking deep balls and making one-handed catches show that he’s trying to back that up as he gets himself ready for the July 30 start of Browns training camp.
JMHO, it has been awhile, maybe Pryor has grown up...BUT don't forget he's the guy who screwed up OSU and Tressel...and saying, "no one works like me" or something like that sure sounds like...look at me, ain't I great....HOPE he knows this is nearly his last shot at a continued big NFL CHECK...and if he thinks he's the only one working...LOL...sad, just sad....GO Browns!!!
Why is this a bad thing Vers? No question there is productivity there. Similar height and Weight characteristics as well.
I can understand the off field concerns, as Moss and Gordon aren't the best role models, but their productivity and overcoming similar challenges in terms of height, weight, and speed can't be overlooked. The way I look at it, this is a win for both Pryor and the Browns.
Randy Moss, Josh Gordon helping Terrelle Pryor in shift to receiver Posted by Josh Alper on July 19, 2015, 9:51 AM EDT Terrelle Pryor AP
If Terrelle Pryor is able to make a successful transition to wide receiver for the Browns this season, some fans might find themselves wondering what the team’s offense would be like with Josh Gordon on the other side of the field from the erstwhile quarterback.
They can get a little bit of a taste of how that might look by checking out Pryor’s Instagram feed. Pryor has been posting pictures of his pre-camp workouts recently, some of which include Gordon in the group of players that have been working out together this month.
Gordon, who is suspended for the 2015 season, is not the only wideout that Pryor has been able to look to for advice. Randy Moss, Mike Evans and Antonio Brown are also involved in the workouts, giving Pryor several brains to pick for advice about how to make an impact for Cleveland in 2015.
Pryor said earlier this month that there aren’t “a lot of guys who work like I work” while discussing what he needs to do to prepare himself for his new role. The pictures and videos of Pryor pulling sleds, working on running routes, tracking deep balls and making one-handed catches show that he’s trying to back that up as he gets himself ready for the July 30 start of Browns training camp.
GOOD! Now that he is all schooled up, let's trade him for Mike Evans!
I didn't say it was a bad thing. I just think it is zany.
Pryor had character issues at Ohio State. He lied and left the university high and dry.
He is working out w/two guys that have MAJOR character concerns. Neither Gordon or Moss are/were good route runners. They both relied on pure athletic ability. Both were known for their questionable work ethic and poor practice habits. Both have been accused for dogging it on the field.
Of all the guys out there, why the hell would you choose Gordon and Moss to help you? Seriously, I can hardly think of two worse guys to work out with.
I didn't say it was a bad thing. I just think it is zany.
Pryor had character issues at Ohio State. He lied and left the university high and dry.
He is working out w/two guys that have MAJOR character concerns. Neither Gordon or Moss are/were good route runners. They both relied on pure athletic ability. Both were known for their questionable work ethic and poor practice habits. Both have been accused for dogging it on the field.
Of all the guys out there, why the hell would you choose Gordon and Moss to help you? Seriously, I can hardly think of two worse guys to work out with.
Well, the first (and probably most important thing) to remember is that Pryor, Gordon, and Brown all have the same agent.
I'd agree with you if this was February... or if Pryor had already been a wideout for a year or two, but if you're 6'4" with 4.5 speed and no experience playing receiver, and you have 30 days to make enough of an impression on an NFL club to stick on a 53-man roster, who would be better to learn how to use your skillset from than Moss and Gordon?
If he somehow makes the team and lasts the year, then he should spend more time next offseason with other guys who are more complete receivers... but in terms of trying to get his foot in the door I think it makes sense to model his game initially after these guys. Or at least do enough to convince the team that he is on a trajectory in that direction.
I didn't say it was a bad thing. I just think it is zany.
Pryor had character issues at Ohio State. He lied and left the university high and dry.
He is working out w/two guys that have MAJOR character concerns. Neither Gordon or Moss are/were good route runners. They both relied on pure athletic ability. Both were known for their questionable work ethic and poor practice habits. Both have been accused for dogging it on the field.
Of all the guys out there, why the hell would you choose Gordon and Moss to help you? Seriously, I can hardly think of two worse guys to work out with.
yea, why would he work out with one of the most legendary WR in the history of the league? and why we he work out with the most recent WR that set franchise records for us?
Moss, Gordon, and Pryor are similar builds. you can say what you want about route running, but they still did little things to get open in the first place.
JMHO....Your two, Moss and Gordon...most of their big plays outran DBs or caught quick screen or slant then outran them....both of your guys HUGE character flaws, Pryor fits right in....better than those two, Calvin Johnson, A J Green, Julio Jones, Larry Fitz...all those would be better in my opinion....GO Browns!!!!
JMHO....Your two, Moss and Gordon...most of their big plays outran DBs or caught quick screen or slant then outran them....both of your guys HUGE character flaws, Pryor fits right in....better than those two, Calvin Johnson, A J Green, Julio Jones, Larry Fitz...all those would be better in my opinion....GO Browns!!!!
Are Johnson, Green, Jones or Fitz available to assist? If so, I agree, if not, then it's moot
Moss Academy’s Coach Brewington: Terrelle Pryor “Looks Like A Phenom”, Moss Teaching Him “How To Be Great”
Randy Moss Academy Director of Football Operations, Coach Rodney Brewington, joined Baskin & Phelps Tuesday to discuss Terrelle Pryor & Josh Gordon working out with Moss at the Academy, what exactly the camps are and their goal for NFL players and youth, and more.
Listened to Rodney tell us Pryor is learning to be great from Moss...LOL...really like Moss working with 6th thru 12th grader AND emphasis on academics....sweet...an education can't be taken away....knee injury can end your career...hope Pryor wins a spot...he will have to earn it....GO Browns!!!!
New Browns wide receiver Terrelle Pryor worked out with his quarterback, Josh McCown, at the Randy Moss Academy last week, and Josh Gordon was also there to catch passes from McCown.
Newly-minted Cleveland Browns wide receiver Terrelle Pryor did not have to wait until training camp to get to know his new quarterback, Josh McCown. Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on Saturday that along with Randy Moss—and, until recently, the Pittsburgh Steelers' Antonio Brown—Pryor had been catching passes from McCown at the Randy Moss Academy in North Carolina. Pryor wasn't the only Browns receiver there, reports Cabot. The indefinitely-suspended Josh Gordon has also been at the Moss Academy intermittently throughout the summer and was also catching passes from McCown last week. Pryor tweeted a photo of himself, Gordon and McCown on Friday, captioned, "First time. Catching this week from a NFL quarterback on actual routes and we cleaned it up good. No balls on the [ground]!!" He also said in a Friday interview on BuckeyeXtra971 with Tim Hall and Beanie Wells that things went well in his sessions with McCown, saying, "I just got done throwing for the past few days with Josh McCown and he's kind of saying 'hey on this play, we have inside routes and outside we have this route. I was pretty sharp and stuff from just looking at the playbook for the last month. I knew a lot of the stuff he was talking about and we were pretty much on the same page and I don't think there was one ball on the ground after a 100 or something balls." It will be a steep learning curve for Pryor to transition from his lifelong position of quarterback to wide receiver over the course of the Browns' upcoming training camp. But it's good news that he’s getting a head start on working with McCown. It's also good news that Gordon is staying in football shape, ready to return whenever the NFL deems it the right time to reinstate him. McCown and Pryor will continue to build chemistry when the Browns’ camp opens to the full roster later in the week.
Terrelle Pryor: I believe in my heart that I’m going to be the best
Posted by Josh Alper on July 29, 2015, 8:44 AM EDT Terrelle Pryor AP
As part of his transition to wide receiver, Terrelle Pryor spent time working out this offseason with Randy Moss, Antonio Brown, Mike Evans and Josh Gordon and that training has helped his confidence heading into training camp with the Browns.
Pryor said that watching those players go through the workouts made him realize “there’s some stuff I look very similar with my cuts” and bolstered his belief that he can be a very successful NFL wideout.
“I believe I can do this,” Pryor said, via Cleveland.com. “When I work out and when I train to do something, I don’t do it just to be OK. I believe in my heart with my God-given ability that I’m going to be the best. That’s not being arrogant or cocky. No one outworks me, so I believe in my heart if I put my mind to anything, I can accomplish it. I believe you have to have that edge.”
Pryor also spent some time catching passes from Browns quarterback Josh McCown and getting a grasp on the team’s offense. Some of that has been made easier by his past relationship with offensive coordinator John DeFilippo, who coached Pryor in Oakland and is using a playbook that Pryor feels familiar with early in his time with the club.
A familiar scheme and Pryor’s athletic ability should help him acclimate himself into the offense this summer, but there are sure to be rough spots for a player switching to an entirely new position at this level. Pryor’s ability to overcome and learn from those obstacles will determine how high he can climb as a receiver and the Browns’ need for more firepower on offense should provide him ample opportunities to prove he can do it.
Listened to Rodney tell us Pryor is learning to be great from Moss...LOL...really like Moss working with 6th thru 12th grader AND emphasis on academics....sweet...an education can't be taken away....knee injury can end your career...hope Pryor wins a spot...he will have to earn it....GO Browns!!!!
Sat is first big test, can he take a lick, with pads on, against DBs trying to change his route, etc., etc....good news is he didn't drop balls and looked good in shorts.....fighting for his NFL life, he could make it....time will tell.....GO Browns!!!!
Terrelle Pryor: Just trying to use the ability he's been given
BEREA, Ohio -- It’s easy to make too much of Terrelle Pryor as he attempts to make the move from quarterback to wide receiver for the Cleveland Browns.
Pryor’s attempted move is fraught with challenges and remains a most difficult climb.
But it’s not easy to avoid getting caught up in the intrigue.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck … well, Pryor looked like a receiver in his first practice with his new team. This was without pads, and without physical press coverage and without sophisticated defensive approaches. But it was a step.
Afterward, he handled media questions with confidence, aplomb and the right mix of confidence and grace.
There was just something about him, which should have been evident when Pryor spent a good part of his downtime working in Charlotte with Randy Moss, Josh Gordon, Antonio Brown and other NFL receivers, learning the nuances of the position. A guy who is doing something with a shrug doesn’t dedicate himself to that regimen in the middle of summer downtime.
“I think we can all obtain our goals,” Pryor said Wednesday. “It’s the effort and how you go about the task.”
Pryor explained his decision to move from quarterback this way: “Why not try to use the ability that God gave me?”
He said since he left the Raiders as a quarterback, he’s found himself in logjams at quarterback with other teams. Rather than fight that uphill battle, he chose to fight a new one at receiver.
“To be a quarterback in this league and be successful you have to have a lot of reps,” Pryor said. “You have to. There’s not a lot that really separates guys but reps, I think, that experience.”
Pryor decided the chance wasn’t coming.
“I’m not going to keep on pursuing something and then turn 30 years old, 32, and I have no chance,” he said. “Why not use the God-given ability that I have?”
That ability, as he summed it up, is size, good hands and the ability to run away from people as a receiver.
“I don’t think a lot of guys can run with me,” he said.
Cornerback Joe Haden marveled at Pryor’s size and stride, and called his move to receiver “legit.” Quarterback Josh McCown said “the skill set is there.” Fellow receiver Brian Hartline said that Pryor faces a tall task trying to jam years of learning into a six-week time frame,
The notion at first sounded nuts, like a typical scheme by a losing team desperate for playmakers. Now, after seeing Pryor on the field and hearing him and seeing what he’s putting into it, it doesn’t seem nearly as crazy.
It’s still a long shot, but it’s an intriguing one that bears watching.
It's not a bad thing. We have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. If he can learn how to play wr with these guys the more power to him.
Well, Meathead will certainly teach him something. Though I have the feeling it will be how to load a bong and possibly how to mix up some "purple drank".
What's sad to me is, Pryor is perhaps the best QB on the roster. He's way better than Johnny Rehab at present. He most certainly knows the offense better than anyone coming in to camp. So of COURSE we will play him exclusively at WR.
Myself,I'm of the firm belief that when you need serious talent at WR...you draft it. Well,obviously that wish of mine continues to be flushed down the toilet. So,Pyror it is...
Myself,I'm of the firm belief that when you need serious talent at WR...you draft it. Well,obviously that wish of mine continues to be flushed down the toilet. So,Pyror it is...
I'm with you on that. But as long as Ray Farmer is our GM we will never draft a WR above the 5th round. Probably never draft a WR period. So you might as well get used to a string of aging veteran WR's coming and going through Cleveland. At least this years crop is marginally better than last years was.
It's not a bad thing. We have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. If he can learn how to play wr with these guys the more power to him.
Well, Meathead will certainly teach him something. Though I have the feeling it will be how to load a bong and possibly how to mix up some "purple drank".
What's sad to me is, Pryor is perhaps the best QB on the roster. He's way better than Johnny Rehab at present. He most certainly knows the offense better than anyone coming in to camp. So of COURSE we will play him exclusively at WR.
Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 8h8 hours ago #Browns WR Terrelle Pryor said he's so familiar with OC John DeFilippo's playbook that younger WRs on team are asking him questions.
Evaluating Pryor on the first day of camp is expected, but it probably doesn't mean much.
He is obviously athletic, tall, fast, talented, etc.
Here is what is unknown:
--Can he get inside position when running slants and other passes across the middle?
--Can he beat press coverage?
--Can he get out of his breaks quickly?
--Can he make hot reads and sight adjustments?
--Will he recognize zone coverages and know when to break his routes off?
--Will he run precise routes or simply round them off?
These are the pressing questions that won't be answered until we see him in live action.
i would think none of those things right now. but it would not surprise me if he was as good as gordon at this time when he first came to the browns as a rookie.
Evaluating Pryor on the first day of camp is expected, but it probably doesn't mean much.
He is obviously athletic, tall, fast, talented, etc.
Here is what is unknown:
--Can he get inside position when running slants and other passes across the middle?
--Can he beat press coverage?
--Can he get out of his breaks quickly?
--Can he make hot reads and sight adjustments?
--Will he recognize zone coverages and know when to break his routes off?
--Will he run precise routes or simply round them off?
These are the pressing questions that won't be answered until we see him in live action.
Totally Agree! I can't believe what I read in the media. They make it sound like you can pull any Joe off the street and coach up. Attention Folks it is the NFL. Best of the best play in this league. You count on one hand players who succeeded doing what Pryor is wanting to do.
Being a positive guy, I like seeing Pryor succeed, like most, but in reality, Pryor has little chance making it. Heartline said it well Pryor is attempting something most players developed in 15 years falling short making a team.
Myself,I'm of the firm belief that when you need serious talent at WR...you draft it. Well,obviously that wish of mine continues to be flushed down the toilet. So,Pyror it is...
I'm with you on that. But as long as Ray Farmer is our GM we will never draft a WR above the 5th round. Probably never draft a WR period. So you might as well get used to a string of aging veteran WR's coming and going through Cleveland. At least this years crop is marginally better than last years was.
Not to nitpick, but we drafted a 4th round receiver this year. I do wish we would draft a receiver earlier, but it's only been 2 drafts. There is plenty of time for more down the road.
Joker is a great receivers coach and he will keep it very simple for him as he develops and really teach the nuances of the position.
Plus the guy probably has a better grasp of the playbook than any receiver we have on the roster. He was a QB under Flip. My big concern was whether or not he can catch the ball in traffic. It wasnt the fear of being hit or anything like that but catching in clutter isnt the same as playing catch with a QB in open field.
He caught the ball clean and in traffic on day 1. That is huge. It doesnt guarantee anything but this was a HUGE DAY 1 for him. Now can he still catch it when camp leg kicks in? Can he catch the rock when in full gear? Can he catch it in a game? Lots of stuff going on but this was fabulous news.
Pat Mac has a video of Pryor from today's practice, catching a ball, way over his head, with one hand while in a one on one situation with the DB. It sounded like the whole crowd just "ooohhh'd".
While there is no contact yet, he does seem to be catching everything thrown his way, and seems fully intent on making this position change. He has the physical traits to be a great WR .... and hopefully he will get the mental part down too. It would be nice to get a huge break for once.
"Warfield, who also spent time in the Browns’ personnel department over the years, made these observations about Pryor: “He’s a very athletic young man. He’s got size. He certainly has good speed. Those are the kind of physical traits that you need to play wide receiver these days. Watching him out there, I thought he caught the ball very comfortably and well. He didn’t fight it, he didn’t flinch. He was natural. He had the flicker in his hands when he caught it. Those are all good signs.”"
I'm not sure anyone else remember him from high school (anyone else from western PA?)
Anyways, he was THE best athlete I've ever seen in high school (even more so on the basketball court than the football field).
At age 18 he already had the movements of a pro, and basketball was his better sport IMO. Thus, it would not surprise me in the least if he made this transition ... if any athlete could do it, Pryor can. JMHO from watching him since his early days.
Yep...you got that right. Farmer and Pettine are not going to be here much longer,if they don't put weapons on offense to become flexible. Must have a franchise QB and ballers at WR to make a defense play you honest in the NFL. They are doing teams a huge favor,in using this "tough guy,working man's" offensive approach. Doesn't mean they have to be the Colts with Manning passing up a storm,but the threat has to be there in order to spread the field and keep the defense guessing. You watch,we are going to see a ton of 8-9 in the box with heavy blitz packages. McCown is going to have to be on it,with correct pre-snap reads,and a quick release to keep us competing.I do like some of our WRs,but I don't see a true #1,and they are not going to be as productive without a top QB to go with them. Overall,I just think there is too much pressure being applied to the defense again,and we've seen the ending of that movie before.
Yep...you got that right. Farmer and Pettine are not going to be here much longer,if they don't put weapons on offense to become flexible. Must have a franchise QB and ballers at WR to make a defense play you honest in the NFL. They are doing teams a huge favor,in using this "tough guy,working man's" offensive approach. Doesn't mean they have to be the Colts with Manning passing up a storm,but the threat has to be there in order to spread the field and keep the defense guessing. You watch,we are going to see a ton of 8-9 in the box with heavy blitz packages. McCown is going to have to be on it,with correct pre-snap reads,and a quick release to keep us competing.I do like some of our WRs,but I don't see a true #1,and they are not going to be as productive without a top QB to go with them. Overall,I just think there is too much pressure being applied to the defense again,and we've seen the ending of that movie before.
Brilliant, really...talk about blowing smoke...just another opinion...Mack is back...we won games with same types of defensive schemes against us...Hoyer scared everybody, not; everyone is writing McCown off BEFORE he throws a single pass in a game for Browns- real fans; did anyone see Pryor today, finally some hitting, did he get off line of scrimmage, catch anything, drop anything...not a word from anyone about Pryor and he's one of top potential stories.....GO Browns!!!!
Brilliant, really...talk about blowing smoke...just another opinion...Mack is back...we won games with same types of defensive schemes against us...Hoyer scared everybody, not; everyone is writing McCown off BEFORE he throws a single pass in a game for Browns- real fans; did anyone see Pryor today, finally some hitting, did he get off line of scrimmage, catch anything, drop anything...not a word from anyone about Pryor and he's one of top potential stories.....GO Browns!!!!
well i have not read one thing that talked about Terrelle Pryor today so i would think he was a nonfactor. ofcourse with no qB to get the ball to him........
Evaluating Pryor on the first day of camp is expected, but it probably doesn't mean much.
He is obviously athletic, tall, fast, talented, etc.
Here is what is unknown:
--Can he get inside position when running slants and other passes across the middle?
--Can he beat press coverage?
--Can he get out of his breaks quickly?
--Can he make hot reads and sight adjustments?
--Will he recognize zone coverages and know when to break his routes off?
--Will he run precise routes or simply round them off?
These are the pressing questions that won't be answered until we see him in live action.
i would think none of those things right now. but it would not surprise me if he was as good as gordon at this time when he first came to the browns as a rookie.
I'll take it a step further. With him being a former QB, I would say he should be able to do some of those things. He should have little problem seeing his man is off in to a zone.
As a former QB he appreciated receivers who made sharp cuts, no allowing the corner to jump the route. I would think we would take that appreciation to the new position and strive to at least do that.
Hot reads....if he could see them as a QB, he should be able to read them as a receiver.
That leaves can he break quickly and can he beat press coverage? Camp will spell that out soon enough.
He has the experience by being a QB combined with being a great athlete. That combination gives him a much better than average odds of being able to convert to WR. I also believe his experience as a top notch basketball player adds to the odds that he possesses the footwork he needs.
He has the experience by being a QB combined with being a great athlete. That combination gives him a much better than average odds of being able to convert to WR. I also believe his experience as a top notch basketball player adds to the odds that he possesses the footwork he needs.
I'm very hopeful for his transition.
Camp tidbit: Receivers coach Joker Phillips met the media on Sunday, and Phillips emphasized that there are several elements of the receiver position he does not need to teach Terrelle Pryor. Those include assignments, adjustments and alignments, because Pryor knows John DeFilippo’s offense. Phillips also said Pryor has excellent hands, so he doesn’t need to teach ball skills. “All I can coach is technique on the young man, and he’s really willing,” Phillipps said. “When I talked to him right after we signed him, he was already working with some quality guys. Now, I’m just trying to teach him our techniques and how to play the game.”
From the coach, on Pryor: “He doesn’t look out of place. … He does some good things. He is just behind from the learning standpoint and the subtleties of playing receiver. If you had asked where he would be at this point, I would think we would all agree he is ahead of where we thought he would be.” — Pettine.
By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on August 02, 2015 at 6:35 PM, updated August 02, 2015 at 6:51 PM
Berea, Ohio -- Browns receivers coach Joker Phillips got the answer he was looking for from Browns wide receiver Terrelle Pryor during their initial conversation.
"I heard it in his voice the first time I talked to him over the phone that he really wants to be a wide receiver,'' said Phillips. "I'm sure everybody heard it. It was the thing: 'Does this kid really want to be a wide receiver? Is he buying into it.' There's no doubt about that. He's all in. The guy's starving to be taught the techniques.''
Phillips also knew this wasn't just a passing fancy when he the former quarterback working out so hard at the Randy Moss Academy with Moss, Antonio Brown, Josh Gordon, Mike Evans and Josh McCown.
"You don't do the things he did in a short period of time (if you're not serious),'' said Phillips at Browns training camp Sunday. "He wasted no time. He got with some guys, some guys that really know the position and went to work.''
By the first day of practice, when Pryor strutted out onto the field looking the part and fitting right in, Phillips knew it was a worthwhile venture.
"What gives me hope and excitement is just watching him on the first day,'' said Phillips, who played receiver for the Redskins in the mid-80s. "He's very, very talented and he's willing.''
Even coach Mike Pettine had to admit Sundays that Pryor, who at almost 6-5 is towering over most of the other receivers, has exceeded expectations over the first four days of camp.
"He doesn't look out of place,'' said Pettine. "It's still very early, too early to tell, but he does not look out of place. He does some good things. He is just behind from the learning standpoint and the subtleties of playing receiver. If you had asked where he would be at this point, I would think we would all agree he is ahead of where we thought he would be."
But can Pryor close the gap quickly enough to make the 53-man roster and contribute this season?
"It's hard to say right now,'' said Phillips. "I'm not going to put that kind of pressure on him or myself. I can tell you this, he's very, very -- and I'll say it two times -- very, very talented. There's no question about that. The guy's talented, and talent wins ball games. Now, we've got to challenge that talent with the techniques that we have and give him a chance to be successful out wide.''
Phillips, a first-year NFL assistant, listed the things he needs to see to christen Pryor an NFL receiver.
"Well, we've got to see him put his face on people in the blocking game,'' he said. "He's got to be able to play some of the special teams, and coming from a quarterback he's never played any special teams, but I think the guy's a tough kid, there's no doubt about that. If you've got some toughness and you're willing, which he is, that gives you a chance.''
Phillips will also need to see him beat press-man coverage before he can fully endorse him.
"Yes, no doubt, because one thing about him, he is a big man, and he's a long-strider and long strides don't help you get off press coverage,'' he said. "Fast feet help you get off and strong hands, which we already talked about he has, and being physical which I think he is versus the press. So we're just trying to get him to use his size and his quicks. The first release that we had, I wasn't really sure if he understood how to turn his feet over and use his hands -- and it was like he had done it forever. And the next one, it was like he hadn't ever done it. So he's just got to learn to be consistent at doing all the techniques.''
Phillips stressed that Pryor has to work primarily on the nuances of the position.
"Terrelle's got a million little things that he's got to get better on, but we have time,'' said Phillips. "He's getting a lot of reps technique-wise out here and sometimes it's frustrating for him because he's not getting a lot of reps in 11-on-11, but the technique thing is what I'm evaluating him on right now.''
Pryor, who's been working primarily with the third-team offense, did get summoned onto the field for one first-team rep, on which he went one-on-one down the right sideline with two-time Pro Bowler Joe Haden. Josh McCown's pass fell far short, indicating Pryor was probably supposed to come back for the ball.
"I had to pull somebody from the sideline because one of our guys ran a deep route and he was the first person I saw,'' said Phillips. "That's the only reason he got the first-team rep. Again, they all are first-team right now. Everybody's trying to learn and earn a position.''
The possible miscue reinforced the notion that Pryor is a work in progress -- despite the fact his potential is intriguing.
"One rep it looks like he's been there all of his life and one rep it looks like he's never been there,'' Phillips. "We've just got to get him consistent in what he's doing and he'll be fine.''
One thing working in Phillips' favor is the fact that Pryor has played in offensive coordinator John DeFilippo's system before, albeit as a quarterback, and knows if by rote.
"There isn't a lot of teaching,'' said Phillips. "I don't have to coach the alignments. I don't have to coach assignments. I don't have to coach adjustments. All I can coach is technique on the young man, and he's really willing. I'm just trying to teach him our techniques and how to play the game.''
When Phillips isn't coaching him up, Pryor's teammates are. He worked one-on-one with Haden before practice Sunday.
"This group tries to help everybody, and I really enjoy that,'' said Phillips. "The defensive backs are doing it with Terrelle, grabbing him before practice, and all we want is a guy that can help us win games here. That's the main goal.''
Pryor, who played receiver as a freshman in high school, has caught mostly everything that's come his way in camp. He hasn't gotten many opportunities, but he's made the most of them.
"He's handled the ball, obviously (as a quarterback), and I think he has really, really good ball skills, has really strong hands,'' said Phillips. "He's able to pluck the ball. He's not a body catcher, although I'm never going to complain for a guy catching a ball in his body, but he's not that. He's got really natural ball skills. His hand placement is correct the majority of the time. That's not the issue. I don't have to coach that. I have to coach the techniques and running routes and how to carry yourself outside.''
Pryor has also proven a willing blocker, tying up rookie safety Ibraheim Campbell to help spring running back Shaun Draughn for more yards Sunday.
"He covers you up,'' said Phillips. "The guy's a 6-foot-5 guy that's blessed with a great body, and all we want him to do is put his body on someone, and it's hard for defensive backs to see or work around him because he's so big.''
Pryor, who runs the 40 in the low 4.3s, has already made the adjustment to the increased running at his new position. Now, he must figure out how to foil the likes of Haden and Tramon Williams and he could be a force at some point this season.
"This guy knows the offense, okay?'' said Phillips. "He's trying to learn some new techniques, but those techniques aren't difficult. We break them down into stages, and I think that will allow him to learn them in a hurry.''
A quick study, Pryor's chances of making the team increase every day.
Maybe this can really work out. That would be awesome.
Darn right it would. No doubt Pryor has a skill set pretty rare even by NFL standards. Joker is a darn good coach.
I think Pryor makes the team. They might be viweing him as a bit of a project that won't be polished until maybe mid season.
He has size, speed, ability to run up YAC, and hands that seem to be pretty good...at least according to reports. The exibition games will verify that. Unless he looks to be another Quincy Morgan and plays like he lost both of his thumbs, I think the team can wait a while to see if the other stuff can be worked out.
Joker is a great receivers coach and he will keep it very simple for him as he develops and really teach the nuances of the position.
Plus the guy probably has a better grasp of the playbook than any receiver we have on the roster. He was a QB under Flip. My big concern was whether or not he can catch the ball in traffic. It wasnt the fear of being hit or anything like that but catching in clutter isnt the same as playing catch with a QB in open field.
He caught the ball clean and in traffic on day 1. That is huge. It doesnt guarantee anything but this was a HUGE DAY 1 for him. Now can he still catch it when camp leg kicks in? Can he catch the rock when in full gear? Can he catch it in a game? Lots of stuff going on but this was fabulous news.
Maybe this can really work out. That would be awesome.
My eyes are a lot more open to the possibility now, that's for sure. Three way battle between Travis, Moore and Pryor now. All three, IMO, will need to get it done at WR and special teams. We know of Moore and Benjamins contributions to STs, so Pryor will need to make a mark there too.
Astounding how quickly he has taken to the position.
While I'm sure that putting him with the 1st team was a reward for embracing the role and maybe a carrot on the stick for him, I'm really getting excited to see him in actual game action.
If nothing else, he gives a very good red zone target.
Pryor has evidently been pretty impressive so far. Not sure if I'm happy that we may have found a gem like this or upset about what it says about our WR corp when a guy can become a WR and in a matter of a month or two become good enough to get starter reps for our team...
Yeah, I mean there is a difference between finding a tall "gem" receiver and then finding out a guy like Pryor can actually play the position.
As Pyror said, he's 6'5", jumps 40" and runs a 4.3 40 time. The guy has made people miss in the NFL. I don't know if there is another player in the NFL that has Pryor's skill set, maybe Megatron?
If he pans out, the Browns became so much better overnight.
Pryor has evidently been pretty impressive so far. Not sure if I'm happy that we may have found a gem like this or upset about what it says about our WR corp when a guy can become a WR and in a matter of a month or two become good enough to get starter reps for our team...
Or maybe its just indicative of a an amazing talent at GM who knows how to assess a WR and further vindicates his belief that you don't need to spend a high draft pick on one?
(I'm just trolling.. but I'm curious to see how long before someone's head explodes over this comment )
Pryor has evidently been pretty impressive so far. Not sure if I'm happy that we may have found a gem like this or upset about what it says about our WR corp when a guy can become a WR and in a matter of a month or two become good enough to get starter reps for our team...
Or maybe its just indicative of a an amazing talent at GM who knows how to assess a WR and further vindicates his belief that you don't need to spend a high draft pick on one?
(I'm just trolling.. but I'm curious to see how long before someone's head explodes over this comment )
just a general reply. I do find it interesting that Benji, Gabriel and Pryor are all supposed sub 4.3 guys. Never seen that kind of speed in a group of receivers. Hawk, Bowe and hartline arent slow either lol
I don't think he is an amazing talent as a GM, but I give him props for bringing in Pryor.
I do think we need to be careful about anointing Pryor as a great WR at this point in time. We might want to wait until he has actually played a game or two.
I don't think he is an amazing talent as a GM, but I give him props for bringing in Pryor.
I do think we need to be careful about anointing Pryor as a great WR at this point in time. We might want to wait until he has actually played a game or two.
Oh absolutely, I couldn't agree more. Just couldn't pass up the chance to tweak the noses of those who have been extremely critical of Farmer for not drafting a WR high. I probably need to learn how to use the purple font when I post those huh? lol
By TOM WITHERS (AP Sports Writer) 8 hours ago AP - Sports
BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Terrelle Pryor took the handoff, set his feet and unloaded a deep pass that fluttered, floated and somehow landed in Travis Benjamin's hands for a touchdown.
Pryor knew the trick-play toss would get poor reviews.
''They said it was wobbly and ugly,'' Pryor joked. ''They said I lost my QB skills. I told them I never had them. It was a duck, but it was a completion.''
And, not a bad one for a wide receiver.
Attempting the switch from NFL quarterback to receiver with the Browns, Pryor is making progress and believes his chances of making the roster are growing daily.
''It's very realistic,'' he said. ''I'm pushing it and we'll see, but I believe it's very realistic and I believe I can make it happen with the way I work.''
Five practices into training camp, the Pryor experiment has gone better than expected. The former Oakland quarterback and Ohio State star has opened eyes with his athleticism, drawn praise for his work ethic and become the biggest story in camp - quite a contrast from last summer's media circus when quarterback Johnny Manziel made headlines with every move on the field.
Pryor sustained a minor setback Tuesday when his right hamstring tightened. He spent the final hour of practice watching from the sideline with his leg wrapped. Afterward, the 6-foot-4, 223-pounder said he doesn't believe the injury is serious and it's possible he may sit out a day to rest.
''I didn't really tweak it,'' said Pryor, who felt his hamstring stiffen during a special team's drill. ''I just thought it would be best for me to pull out because obviously I've never played receiver, so I don't even know what a hamstring pull is.''
Pryor doesn't expect the injury to stop him from playing in the team's instrasquad scrimmage Friday at Ohio Stadium in Columbus. It will be his first visit to Ohio State since leaving amid an NCAA investigation into players selling memorabilia. As part of his penalty, Pryor was sent a disassociation letter from the school, banning him from several privileges, including using the Buckeyes' facilities. However, he can participate as a member of the Browns.
As the days go on, his odds of making Cleveland's roster seemingly rise.
Pryor's skill set intrigued the Browns to claim him off waivers, and to this point, he has passed every test while learning a new position. He's no longer a quarterback - in body or mind.
''I feel like I'm a receiver. I don't drop balls. I pride myself on that,'' said Pryor, who spends 10 minutes before each practice catching 100 balls - many of them with one hand - from the JUGs machine. ''I've just got to keep on continuing on bettering my route game and also bettering knowing where to block on the run game. That stuff's starting to come to me very good, too, so I definitely do feel like the transition's going well.
''I can't say I'm all the way there because I'm not.''
Pryor's versatility gives him an advantage, which is why he felt good about his completion - warts and all - to Benjamin.
The more that he shows he can do, the better Pryor's odds the Browns will give him a job. The trick play on an end-around was an example of how the Browns can use him, and his background with offensive coordinator John DeFilippo - they were together in Oakland - can only help.
''Anytime you can do different things, anytime you can go out of the box and put defenses on their heels, I think it's great,'' Pryor said.
NOTES: DL Billy Winn will be out at least a week with a sprained right ankle. Coach Mike Pettine expressed relief Winn did not hurt his knee. ... Rookie RB Duke Johnson missed his third straight practice with a hamstring injury, and Cleveland's backfield has already been ravaged by minor injuries with Terrance West (calf), Glenn Winston (knee) and FBs Luke Lundy (concussion) and Malcolm Johnson (shoulder) all sidelined. ... CB Tramon Williams intercepted QB Josh McCown with a diving grab in the end zone. ... TV actress Valerie Bertinelli visited camp, staying afterward to meet Pettine and get autographs from several players. She starred in ''Hot in Cleveland'' on TV Land for six season, which ended this year.
Terrence West, K'wan WIlliams, Terrelle Pryor not in pads, so far.
Just read an article where Pryor thinks he may have tweaked his hammy a little and said he will probably take a day as a precaution, so I wouldn't expect him to be in pads at all today.
Terrence West, K'wan WIlliams, Terrelle Pryor not in pads, so far.
Just read an article where Pryor thinks he may have tweaked his hammy a little and said he will probably take a day as a precaution, so I wouldn't expect him to be in pads at all today.
As I have said many times before, I would hire a yoga instructor as a full time coach and have stretching about as big a emphasis as lifting weights, especially for the positions who use fast burst running as a big part of their game.
Terrence West, K'wan WIlliams, Terrelle Pryor not in pads, so far.
Just read an article where Pryor thinks he may have tweaked his hammy a little and said he will probably take a day as a precaution, so I wouldn't expect him to be in pads at all today.
As I have said many times before, I would hire a yoga instructor as a full time coach and have stretching about as big a emphasis as lifting weights, especially for the positions who use fast burst running as a big part of their game.
Yup - Yoga and A.R.T. (active release therapy), and make them mandatory.
I agree. It may just be db's, backs, and receivers. Those are the guys who pull the most muscles. Lineman don't usually have that problem.
I am not saying strength isn't important, but I don't think those positions rely on strength as much as the other positions. Everybody would need to participate, but a few positions could probably skip the lifting a day or two a week and concentrate on muscle flexibility.
Many athletes forget/fail to go easy enough on easy days, and that is when injuries happen. Too many days in a row with too much intensity will break the body down; proper recovery is the single most important - and most overlooked - part of training for anything.
I would also invest in a good Hyperbaric chamber as well. (or 2, or 3)
Man, there are almost miraculous healing from many different kinds of injuries using this kind of therapy.
People also seem to feel energized after a treatment. If I played in the NFL, I would would probably buy one for myself at home, and get myself oxygenated prior to games. It certainly can't hurt, and it isn't against the rules.
On KNR they mentioned that Hartline and Pryor aren't the best of friends, something about during their time at osu, anyone know what's up with that?
No idea, but I don't see that it matters. One isn't throwing to the other anymore.
I would suspect any friction would be normal type stuff. The QB thinks the guy drops too many passes, the receiver thinks the QB doesn't look to throw his way. Pryor being a running type to boot could have caused friction. Pryor may have felt Hartline didn't block for him and Hartline felt Pryor would run when he was wide open. None of that to worry about anymore.
I would say it is more likely it has to do w/all the stupid moves Pryor made that tarnished the university and then how he lied about things afterwards.
+1...JMHO, a pro's pro isn't going to enjoy spin, JMHO, Pryor isn't in same class as Gordon, but his character isn't all glitter and shine....I hope he succeeds, but ANY contract with him should have SPECIFIC defaults for non-football issues.....GO Browns!!!
I would say it is more likely it has to do w/all the stupid moves Pryor made that tarnished the university and then how he lied about things afterwards.
That too. I wasn't even thinking about that stuff since I don't follow OSU all that closely anymore. Good call.
I would say it is more likely it has to do w/all the stupid moves Pryor made that tarnished the university and then how he lied about things afterwards.
It's a funny thing, the other day, former OSU coach Jim Tressel was at the Browns training facility and was asked about Pryor. It sounded like all honey and roses from him when he spoke of Pryor. He made a comment (and I'm paraphrasing here) that Pryor will probably be VERY excited to get to the Horseshoe to play again.
Although, I thought I read somewhere on here that due to a hammy, Pryor may not play. I could be wrong about that.
I would also invest in a good Hyperbaric chamber as well. (or 2, or 3)
Man, there are almost miraculous healing from many different kinds of injuries using this kind of therapy.
People also seem to feel energized after a treatment. If I played in the NFL, I would would probably buy one for myself at home, and get myself oxygenated prior to games. It certainly can't hurt, and it isn't against the rules.
TO credited an HB as the reason he could play in the Super Bowl. Also said it helped lengthen his career.
I would also invest in a good Hyperbaric chamber as well. (or 2, or 3)
Man, there are almost miraculous healing from many different kinds of injuries using this kind of therapy.
People also seem to feel energized after a treatment. If I played in the NFL, I would would probably buy one for myself at home, and get myself oxygenated prior to games. It certainly can't hurt, and it isn't against the rules.
The "feeling energized" bit is almost certainly simply the result of a high oxygen saturation level due to being under pressure, and it likely fades as rapidly as the body returns to a normal saturation level (probably within about 20 minutes). Basically - that part is just lipstick on a pig, there's nothing to it; nothing lasting, anyway.
Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine threw a warning shot Terrelle Pryor's way after Saturday's practice, but it's hard to catch anything when you're stuck on the sidelines with a hamstring injury.
"That window narrows every day that he's not out there," Pettine said, in reference to Pryor's absence from Browns camp, according to Mary Kay Cabot of The Plain Dealer.
Pettine and the Browns certainly took a flyer on Pryor when they signed him in an attempt to convert him into a wide receiver. Now, it looks like he's running out of chances. Pryor hasn't appeared in either of Cleveland's preseason games and the dreaded Cut Day is looming right around the turn of the month.
Coming back from a hamstring injury at the wide receiver position would be taxing for any NFL veteran. But when you're a converted wideout -- like Pryor is -- it must be an entirely different struggle.
Regardless, Pryor should heed Pettine's words and take them personally. If he doesn't get back on the practice field in Berea, his NFL career could be in danger.
Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine threw a warning shot Terrelle Pryor's way after Saturday's practice, but it's hard to catch anything when you're stuck on the sidelines with a hamstring injury.
"That window narrows every day that he's not out there," Pettine said, in reference to Pryor's absence from Browns camp...
... Pryor should heed Pettine's words and take them personally. If he doesn't get back on the practice field in Berea, his NFL career could be in danger.
Just how is he supposed to "heed" Pettine's "warning shot"? Is he supposed to heal himself of a hamstring injury?
Just how is he supposed to "heed" Pettine's "warning shot"? Is he supposed to heal himself of a hamstring injury?
I've always thought it was strange how football people - and some fans - blame players for being injured. Its like they are either accusing the guy of being a big sissy or malingering / faking it. Hamstrings are very tricky and can take weeks, even months, to heal. I'm sure no one knows better than Pryor that his opportunity is slipping away. If that happens and he gets cut, it won't be because of a lack of effort on his part. I always thought it sucked the way Bill Parcells tried to humiliate Terry Glenn for being injured, referring to him as "she" when asked about Glenn's condition. I know you gotta play hurt, but if an injured hammy gets torn, it could be career ending.
"warning shot" were the reporters words not Pettine's. He only said the window is closing everyday he's not out there. It's unfortunate that Pryor has been injured but you can't commit a roster spot to an unproven player. Hopefully we can get to see some of him in the next few preseason games, if not he may end up on the practice squad and perhaps his opportunity will come again in the future when he's healthy.
Can't make the club in the tub... especially when in Mike's presser, he eluded to pretty much 100% Moore and Benjamin's roles on ST's - indicating their roles being pretty set.
So if that's actually true, which I think Pettine wouldn't have squeaked it out if not - then Pryor's chances are honestly and truly narrowing.
Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine threw a warning shot Terrelle Pryor's way after Saturday's practice, but it's hard to catch anything when you're stuck on the sidelines with a hamstring injury.
"That window narrows every day that he's not out there," Pettine said, in reference to Pryor's absence from Browns camp...
... Pryor should heed Pettine's words and take them personally. If he doesn't get back on the practice field in Berea, his NFL career could be in danger.
Just how is he supposed to "heed" Pettine's "warning shot"? Is he supposed to heal himself of a hamstring injury?
I was thinking the same thing. If the guy is dinged, what's he supposed to do?
I mean, if Pettine thinks that Pryor is dogging it, then why warn him, cut him.
J/C You don't know the contest of the question that lead to this "warning shot".
I don't think it was a warning shot at all aimed at Pryor. I think it is a term coined by the writer. I think it was simply Pettine answering a question from the writer stating that it is going to be hard to keep Pryor if he can't show up in the games. Some of the other receivers are making a statement with their play.
Pettine doesn't seem like the kind of guy to use the media to get a message out to his players. I think if he has a message a player needs to hear he's going to deliver it himself. That's just my impression of the guy.
it was just a statement of fact. There is only so much time a player has to earn a spot and potential doesn't earn it most of the time. This is one case where I hope it does though because this kids has insane potential without all the character garbage of a josh gordon.
By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on August 30, 2015 at 5:54 PM, updated August 31, 2015 at 9:33 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mike Pettine isn't putting undue pressure on receiver Terrelle Pryor to make his debut in the preseason finale Thursday in Chicago.
"I don't want to say make or break,'' said Pettine. "I'm not going to deal with an absolute, saying he has to play, but we want to see him out there. I can't say today that he definitely will, but he should be. He was close to being able to go, and give it another week, we're hopeful he'll be out there and we'll be able to see him."
Pryor returned to practice on a limited basis last week with his strained hamstring, but wasn't ready to run full speed by Saturday night. Rather than risk it, the Browns opted to keep on the sidelines in streetclothes.
He'll survive the first cut from 90 to 75 on Tuesday, and hope he doesn't get a pink slip Saturday during the final trim to 53.
Cornerback Joe Haden believes other teams would give Pryor a chance at receiver if the Browns cut him, and a league source said there will be interest. Two premier receivers have been lost to torn ACLs this season in the Packers' Jordy Nelson and the Panthers' Kelvin Benjman. PIttsburgh's Martavis Barnett is suspended the first four games of the season for violating the substance abuse policy, pending an appeal.
The Browns could use a big body receiver like Pryor because rookie Vince Mayle is coming along slowly after thumb surgery and Dwayne Bowe has missed the most of camp with a hamstring injury.
* Dwayne Bowe's return
Bowe, who started against the Bucs, dropped a pass and appeared to be in the wrong spot on another throw from Josh McCown. He was targeted three times but didn't catch a pass.
"That's a part of two guys together in a new system,'' Pettine said. "They need to play together. (Bowe) didn't have very much practice time. That showed up in the game. This is a tough sport to just walk out there and play. Those guys have to be on the same page and understand where each other is going to be. Hopefully, now that Dwayne is back, we will get some more quality reps with him out there with Josh."
* Johnny Manziel's status
Pettine indicated that Manziel will continue to rest his sore elbow for awhile and not start throwing yet. He had previously been ruled out for Chicago. "I just think there's a prescribed rest period,'' he said. "I'll get the medical update today, just see what their plan is for him, when to start throwing again. Given that the MRI was negative, we think rest will be the answer. To me, there's no need to think beyond that until we get to that point, and if it looks like it is more than that, then we'll address it appropriately.''
* Other starters will join Josh McCown on the bench
Pettine will try to get out of the Bears game healthy, and will rest other starters in addition to Josh McCown, which he announced in Tampa Saturday night. "We'll make the decision on the other guys,'' Pettine said. "Some of it's going to depend on who's available, what we need and our position requirements to get through, but we will rest a number of guys on Thursday."
* Caution flag
Pettine reiterated that McCown can't run around and get hit as much as he did in Tampa, when he was hit hard on two of his three runs and drilled once on a sack. "Much more good than bad (decisions) but just the questionable ones on some of the scrambles and some of the hits he took,'' said Pettine. "They jumped offside on the one and we had a free play, and he ended up taking an unnecessary hit. He's a competitive guy. I knew that it meant a little bit more to him being Tampa. He has to understand that it is a long season and we need him out there."
* Cam Erving will have to wait his turn
Pettine acknowledged that John Greco will likely start the season at right guard. "I just think that starting five will be difficult to crack so I would say Greco is the leader,'' said Pettine. "It's not a slight against Cam at all. We're very encouraged with where he is and see him being a big part of what we do."
Yeah... fitting his mold of "putting the best player out there, regardless", it would have taken a lot for Greco to have his spot swiped from him. It's not shock he retained his role.
I didn't pay much attention to Erving this last game.
Pettine indicated that Manziel will continue to rest his sore elbow for awhile and not start throwing yet. He had previously been ruled out for Chicago. "I just think there's a prescribed rest period,'' he said. "I'll get the medical update today, just see what their plan is for him, when to start throwing again. Given that the MRI was negative, we think rest will be the answer. To me, there's no need to think beyond that until we get to that point, and if it looks like it is more than that, then we'll address it appropriately.''
It sounds like the verbiage is beginning to change about Manzile's arm.
In what way? I don't see anything new there, other than it's Monday and he's still resting his elbow and it's no longer last week.
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* Johnny Manziel's status
Pettine indicated that Manziel will continue to rest his sore elbow for awhile and not start throwing yet. He had previously been ruled out for Chicago. "I just think there's a prescribed rest period,'' he said. "I'll get the medical update today, just see what their plan is for him, when to start throwing again. Given that the MRI was negative, we think rest will be the answer. To me, there's no need to think beyond that until we get to that point, and if it looks like it is more than that, then we'll address it appropriately.''
Up until this comment, I never saw Pettine even indicate that it could "look like it's more". Now that doesn't mean it is or will be something more, however that door has now been opened. Like I said, it seems the verbiage has changed.
In what way? I don't see anything new there, other than it's Monday and he's still resting his elbow and it's no longer last week.
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* Johnny Manziel's status
Pettine indicated that Manziel will continue to rest his sore elbow for awhile and not start throwing yet. He had previously been ruled out for Chicago. "I just think there's a prescribed rest period,'' he said. "I'll get the medical update today, just see what their plan is for him, when to start throwing again. Given that the MRI was negative, we think rest will be the answer. To me, there's no need to think beyond that until we get to that point, and if it looks like it is more than that, then we'll address it appropriately.''
Up until this comment, I never saw Pettine even indicate that it could "look like it's more". Now that doesn't mean it is or will be something more, however that door has now been opened. Like I said, it seems the verbiage has changed.
He never said or implied "there may be something more". He said if... IF there's something more, if the rest isn't fixing the problem, they'll proceed from there.
I definitely didn't. I thought there was no chance he would be even serviceable as a wide receiver.
The fact that Pryor is what he is today (which is a NFL receiver who has had one great game) is a testament to his athletic ability and work ethic. If someone comes up and has a similar situation to Pryor I will again say he has no chance.
He certainly appears to be on that path ... but I can't think of too many people who truly thought that Pryor would be able to become an upper level WR, especially not this fast.
it's a testament to his athletic ability and his attitude/effort the past year.
those who have seen him play since high school (still the best athlete I've ever seen on a basketball court) aren't as shocked ... what a talent he was in this area
and I'm a HUGE OSU Bucs fan. Just can't find anything to get happy/excited for about this.
