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We have no business trading away OL starters unless the deal is way too good to pass up. And that is the only way.

Savage is a smart guy. He's not going to put us in the position he did last year without the reward far outweighing the risk.

Its a question of median v. mean. Half the league is below the median skill level.

He he he, not that this has anything to do with trading Shaffer anymore but,,,

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Half the league is below the median skill level.

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median definition:
Statistics The middle value in a distribution, above and below which lie an equal number of values.



which would equate to the other half being above the median skill

either way I still want to keep KS unless the deal is lop sided in our favor.

sorry about your luck shaffer, either work hard for a starting role, or enjoy the bench as a reserve. you're under contract.

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Reality check.... I believe OUR original offer was a 4th round pick. They said no.

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If that's all we can get for him,, then to heck with that,,, keep him,,, and if he crys about not being out LT anymore,,, then send Ted Washington over to his house to teach him a little lesson,,,, Earn the job,,, or you lose the job.. That simple,,, If he were good enough, do you think that Savage would have drafted Thomas,,,, I don't...

So if we can't get value,,,, he stays and plays.... WHATEVER position we tell him to,,

I would trade him for a 4th in a minute..........a decent draft pick and to get out of that ridiculous contract he recieved............brilliant.

Truth is unless he is going to be our RT then there isn't any reason to keep him. Depth is great, but I think that Steiner provides better LT depth than he does, and 4 million a year ain't cutting it for depth. If we don't seeing him beating out Tuck then trade him.

I have to agree with BpG.

We don't have a lot of "good" depth in our O-Line and Savage has been quoted as saying that "with our history we can't afford to trade away O-Lineman."

We have a need for depth PERIOD. We need talent, yes, but we have been majorly susceptible to inuries and can't afford to lose O-Lineman. If Schaffer is good enough to be our RT, which I think he is, then he plays RT and we have that position covered while having backups in Ryan Tucker. If he's not good enough to play RT and we bench him, he's a solid backup to Ryan Tucker and we're set at the RT spot, God forbid we lose both Schaffer and Tucker to injury

If the Giants want him that badly, then I agree with Toad, make them give up the farm, or most of it, for him. We probably won't be able to milk a ton out of'em, but if we can pick up some first day draft picks or a second day draft pick and some decent players along with it, it might be worth it. I think we should make them give up a LOT inorder to get Schaffer because he is very valuable to us. Thats JMHO.

We need depth, WE NEED DEPTH! ha, I can't emphasize it enough.

I wouldn't trade him away for less then a third.

As long as he fits into the cap, it shouldn't matter what we pay him.

Now, if keeping him somehow prevents us from signing a better player, then it might be a problem.

What exactly is it you plan to do with the money saved....or more on point, what exactly should Lerner do with the money saved?? Buy a few more Picasso's??

Teams base their business plan on the cap figure. Anything under the cap is just money saved for the owner.

For years you and a few others have been complaining about the O-line, and now you still are because we are spending too much money on the line.

I don't get it?? Really...I don't. Is Shaffer better than Rob Smith or Nate Dorsey?? If you are looking to save the team money, maybe we should start saving money with them.

hes alot like Frye my friend ... well below avg. as a starter but a GREAT BACK UP ... he provides MUCH NEEDED DEPTH even if he can't beat out Tuck ... and Stien very well may be a better back up LT but then your DESTROYING 2 POSITONS cause who the hell u gonna put at LG .. no matter who it is will be a SERIOUS ASS DOWNGRADE ...

only way we should get rid of him is if he becomes to much of a distraction in the locker room ... his only chance to get out of town is to WHINE HIS WAY OUT ..

and that would hurt this football team ...

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Truth is unless he is going to be our RT then there isn't any reason to keep him. Depth is great, but I think that Steiner provides better LT depth than he does, and 4 million a year ain't cutting it for depth.

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I understand that BigWillie,,, I really do.. But it's MAY,,, it's too early for us to know what the heck is gonna happen with Tucker.... and the added thought is this... as the summer wears on, some LT somewhere could get injured or show lots of signs of getting older of something..

In May, maybe the Giants don't feel the urgency,,, but by August 1st, perhaps they do.

Look at us for instance.. This time last year, if we had thought we needed a back up center, would we have given anything up for Fraley?, Probably not..

But two months later, LCB goes down for the year and all of a sudden, Fraley is a hot commodity to us.. See what I mean...

Truth is, Shaffer is insurance to us... If Tuck goes down or off the deep end again, we maybe can slide Shaffer over to RT...

ya .. Hank was such a hot commodity for us we gave up a conditional 6th rounder .. thats really steamin hot .. *LOL* ...

Truth is unless he is going to be our RT then there isn't any reason to keep him
The reality is he better serves us as RT than Tucker does at this point..
I wouldn't count on Tucker being able to play 16 games...I'd rather he slide inside..with the backups we have it may not be the powerful right side we want but it should be servicable..

Diam,, that comment just ticks me off,,, what difference does it make WHAT we gave up,,, the question was,,, would we have given anything for him,, and the answer is NO,, we wouldn't,,

Just some general comments.

We got how many reporters and publications with articles covering the Browns.

I really can't remember reading any direct quotes from an interview that Shaffer wants out. Too many are quick to get down on him on some inuendos. I'm sure he made some expression of dissappointment losing his job at LT but wouldn't that be normal?

Reality. Reality is when a draft is in progress those picks are WAY Over valued and like any market - Supply and Demand. When a draft is in progress the supply is dwindling fast and the Demand high. So what is offerred then is completely null and void now. That is the reality. Now a commodity at LT for a team that has so much riding on the Progress Of ELI MANNING and the show of retardation because of the pressure received from his blind side the 2nd half of the season. The Leverage is on our side.

Joseph doesn't seem to be the mentality that RAC covets for his defense as a hard worker. But he has stud natural talent. I don't see us going for any of those two talents mentioned. Orien Harris might be a better prospect for DE. Peek and the Samoan kid is more in our mix the reporter was offering a LB where we covet Tweeners.

As far as backups...we aren't going to pay Shaffer to be a backup. If he can't beat out Tucker or the Rook Thomas...its better we rid ourselves of Shaffer now and take the CAP hit as we have the room and use the money for a key FA next year if need be. Gaining a draft pick now where the player to get into their camp and learn their system brings them the ultimate value especially with the draft so far away. 2nd or 3rd is a possibility. But I wouldn't just dump him cause then we'd be expected to be taken advantage of in all our trades.

We got the leverage we should play hard ball. They don't have any option. Take a look at all of ELI's Negative Hilights...he's getting crushed from the left side and most of that is with Diehl at LT after Pettigout got injured who wasn't much good either as he is more a pure RT not LT.

JMHO

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As far as backups...we aren't going to pay Shaffer to be a backup.

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We won't,he'll definately start somewhere on the line and also be the MUCH NEEDED DEPTH at LT!!

He's under contract for a while and we can't let him go unless someone's willing to sell the farm for him.

His stock will rise considerably once training camp starts and injuries start piling up......We gotta be patient here, JT hasn't even taken a snap yet.