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Can we freaking trade this loud mouthed, stone-handed, egotistical moron yet? Good grief.
Maybe we could trade him for some "small school" WR's who will actually stfu and go out and play and actually catch the football.
If he doesn't put up 1500 yards and 10 TD's with less than 10 drops this year...boy he better look out. He DESERVES to get thrown under the bus if he can't start backing up his crap on the field. What a joke.
He didn't even say anything that bad.
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Can we freaking trade this loud mouthed, stone-handed, egotistical moron yet? Good grief.
Maybe we could trade him for some "small school" WR's who will actually stfu and go out and play and actually catch the football.
If he doesn't put up 1500 yards and 10 TD's with less than 10 drops this year...boy he better look out. He DESERVES to get thrown under the bus if he can't start backing up his crap on the field. What a joke.
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But part of me feels like this sort of needed to be said by someone, but not Braylon.
I feel like Braylon is a know it all type of reciever who just runs his mouth. I think he could be a very good wide reciever which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
This isn't about talent or what a reciever could be. This is about Braylon being very close to a situation and possibly saying something that won't be constructive for the team.
IMO, making this statement is an attempt to put this administration, RAC in particular, against the wall to produce. Maybe it needed to be said, but not from a player who already has shown a lack of respect.
That's all just my opinion, but I think he was out of line or maybe not in the right position to make this kind of statement.
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He actually defended Crennel and Frye saying its not fair to judge those 2 because the supporting casts were so weak, I'm sure Braylon knowns he dropped passes he's not that cocky.
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He actually defended Crennel and Frye saying its not fair to judge those 2 because the supporting casts were so weak, I'm sure Braylon knowns he dropped passes he's not that cocky.
Ummm..."I'm not trying to step out on a limb or anything like that, but with that said, we have what we've been looking for." Aka - Now that we have Mr. Big-School QB and all-american super-hero Brady Quinn...we can actually think about winning football games.
"We have an offensive system now that can work for us. We have players on offense that can work for us." Aka - Boy I'm glad we got rid of that coaching staff from last year. They all sucked and really held me back. I'm gonna SHINE now. Did I mention it's awesome that we got golden-boy Brady Quinn?
"I saw some growth, but I still saw a kid that was coming from an Akron or a [Mid-American Conference] school and didn't necessarily have the knowledge or preparation of a Brady Quinn-type of collegiate QB." Aka - Akron? I don't even know where that is. Obviously anybody who came from there is nothing but a scrub and we weren't going to win with. Boy I'm glad we got this guy from NOTRE DAME though. I mean...he went to NOTRE DAME! It's a sure bet. We're winning the Super Bowl because we got a QB from NOTRE DAME!
We hear you Braylon. Everybody else sucked last year but you. Well, now it's your time to shine. Put up or shut up. Just because he has a lot of talent and rehabbed quickly from an injury doesn't give him the right to think he's all that and a bag of potato chips. So, if he doesn't have an All-Pro caliber 1,500 yard season he better expect to get publicly thrown under the bus by his teammates and fans.
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Wow...read too much into things some times there Graff? I don't know if you can come to those assumptions logically or not, because you are obviously biased. Yes he is cocky, but give him another year to prove his worth to the team.
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He actually defended Crennel and Frye saying its not fair to judge those 2 because the supporting casts were so weak, I'm sure Braylon knowns he dropped passes he's not that cocky.
Ummm..."I'm not trying to step out on a limb or anything like that, but with that said, we have what we've been looking for." Aka - Now that we have Mr. Big-School QB and all-american super-hero Brady Quinn...we can actually think about winning football games.
"We have an offensive system now that can work for us. We have players on offense that can work for us." Aka - Boy I'm glad we got rid of that coaching staff from last year. They all sucked and really held me back. I'm gonna SHINE now. Did I mention it's awesome that we got golden-boy Brady Quinn?
"I saw some growth, but I still saw a kid that was coming from an Akron or a [Mid-American Conference] school and didn't necessarily have the knowledge or preparation of a Brady Quinn-type of collegiate QB." Aka - Akron? I don't even know where that is. Obviously anybody who came from there is nothing but a scrub and we weren't going to win with. Boy I'm glad we got this guy from NOTRE DAME though. I mean...he went to NOTRE DAME! It's a sure bet. We're winning the Super Bowl because we got a QB from NOTRE DAME!
We hear you Braylon. Everybody else sucked last year but you. Well, now it's your time to shine. Put up or shut up. Just because he has a lot of talent and rehabbed quickly from an injury doesn't give him the right to think he's all that and a bag of potato chips. So, if he doesn't have an All-Pro caliber 1,500 yard season he better expect to get publicly thrown under the bus by his teammates and fans.
Ok, he was just being honest. You'd be frustrated too if you had #9 throwing the ball to you. #9 was a garbage QB, and the fact that he had no help made it worse.
As a receiver, how could you NOT be excited over drafting Brady Quinn?
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Ok, he was just being honest. You'd be frustrated too if you had #9 throwing the ball to you. #9 was a garbage QB
Ok that sums it up then. You support Braylon publicly complaining about Frye because you think Frye sucks. *shakes head* You know if Brady Quinn beats out Frye for the starting job because he's BETTER then so be it. I'll root for him because he's the QB of the Browns. As of right now, I'm NOT sold that Quinn is better than Frye which is exactly why I hope Frye starts this year.
There is no doubt in my mind that Charlie Frye is good enough to be an NFL starting QB on a playoff team. That's all we need from him. Obviously you and I disagree on that fact.
I like how people here throw Charlie under the bus and anoint Quinn as our savior. If he is, then good. I'll believe it when I see it though. Actions speak louder than words. DID YOU HEAR THAT BRAYLON? Go out and perform on the field and stop talking and complaining about everybody else and we'll be fine. I sincerely hope Braylon can put it all together and be a great receiver for us. He's an important part of our offense no matter who is our QB. It'd be nice if he'd just shut up and perform though without publicly giving us all his "opinions".
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Ummm..."I'm not trying to step out on a limb or anything like that, but with that said, we have what we've been looking for." Aka - Now that we have Mr. Big-School QB and all-american super-hero Brady Quinn...we can actually think about winning football games.
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Dude, the picture kinda sucks...took me like 2 hours in MS Paint...
That's ok, it took me like 3 days to do my sig in Paint.NET and it still sucks so *shrugs*
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10 wins? pffttt.... I'll be estatic, I doubt it happens. Realistically speaking If the Browns somehow find a way to win 7..........If that happens, being the RAC hater I am I will have to admit it was a job well done and wouldn't be oppossed to him getting another year.
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He has my respect -
Of course he does. Afterall, you're the guy that thinks any player has the right to act like an ass and throw a temper-tantrum on the sideline.
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Exactly. Think about it:
Who was more reliable, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was more professional, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was a team player and a leader, Joe J or Braylon?
Who has never criticized his teammates in public, Joe J or Braylon?
Who admitted it when he had a bad game or dropped passes, Joe J or Braylon?
Now, who is better suited to comment on the team and give interviews?
Who should shut the ___ up?
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He is still running his mouth. He just needs to shut the hell up and play football.
So when he is asked a question he should just look at people with a blank stare??
He shouldn't be putting himself in the position of being asked questions by the national media. With his play last year he should be hitting the books, spending time with the QB's and WR's coach, and working out. You have heard the saying "God gave us two ears and one mouth, so we should listen twice as much as we speak" Well BE has two ears, to arms, two hands, two eyes and two legs. He should be using them instead of his one big mouth, and let his play on the field do the talking.
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Nope it's not 1960 anymore. It's 2007, and be it 1940, 1960, 2007, or 2020 what sells is WINNING, not image.
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Nope it's not 1960 anymore. It's 2007, and be it 1940, 1960, 2007, or 2020 what sells is WINNING, not image.
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He shouldn't be putting himself in the position of being asked questions by the national media. With his play last year he should be hitting the books, spending time with the QB's and WR's coach, and working out.
I'm sure all he is doing is interviews in the offseason and not working out/studying game film/talking to coaches at all...because doing interviews takes up so much time of the day....
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BE or the browns didn't decide he should speak to the media....the MEDIA decided to interview HIM....and for a good reason...they love to see people put their foot in the mouth....this is why they keep interviewing BE and not say JJ
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Of course he does. Afterall, you're the guy that thinks any player has the right to act like an ass and throw a temper-tantrum on the sideline.
And your the type of person that wants players on the team complacent with losing year after year. I, however, want guys hungry to win. Show me a player who says at years beginning "8-8 would make me happy" and I'll show you a guy I'll cut that day.
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Ummm.... Just a thought for everyone:
Even if you think they're just there to collect a paycheck and don't think they really care about the record... do you honestly believe they aren't going to say the whole "we need 10 wins" line in the press when they are trying to market their own self?
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Exactly. Think about it:
Who was more reliable, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was more professional, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was a team player and a leader, Joe J or Braylon?
Who has never criticized his teammates in public, Joe J or Braylon?
Who admitted it when he had a bad game or dropped passes, Joe J or Braylon?
Now, who is better suited to comment on the team and give interviews?
Who should shut the ___ up?
Once again I'm amazed. This board is supposed to be full of Browns fans, instead it's full of people who love seeing a team lose year after year. Everyone against Braylon's comments are, no doubt, against players who want to win. You don't understand anything about competition, nor about a torn ACL or dislocated finger nor about media and interviews. Nothing at all. How some of you get through life is beyond me.
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The Browns have to win at least 10 games in 2007 for their season to be judged a success.
That's the opinion put forth by receiver Braylon Edwards on a national radio show last week. O.k..where do I start ? How bout this? Instead of trying to DETERMINE how many wins the Browns SHOULD TAKE...WHY DON'Y YOU TELL US how MANY CATCHES MAKE YOU SUCCESFUL? Try 100...worry about catching evrything THROWN TO YOU..WORRY ABOUT RUNNING PRECISE ROUTES AND NOT GATOR-ARMING catches.. I don't believe an 8-8 year is successful," Edwards said on "Movin' the Chains" on Sirius NFL Radio. "I'm not trying to step out on a limb or anything like that, but with that said, we have what we've been looking for.
And I don't believe running wrong routes makes a all pro reciever either  On quarterback Charlie Frye's performance in 2006:
"I saw some growth, but I still saw a kid that was coming from an Akron or a [Mid-American Conference] school and didn't necessarily have the knowledge or preparation of a Brady Quinn-type of collegiate QB.
Sounds to me like you just sacked your QB  I think Charlie Frye and Romeo Crennel are in similar situations. The reason I say that is they both got thrown in situations where it wasn't fair to assess them at that point, especially Romeo Crennel. Idiot..U just assessed Frye..and even I can assess him at this point...
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I find it a bit ironic that I'm defending a prima-donna WR,but what's right is right.
Judging by most of the the comments,very few of you actually heard the entire interview with Adam Schien and Randy Cross.It was exceptional.BE came across as a caring and intelligent young man.Yes,he talked about his drops anf poor route running,he took full blame for the drops,saying he needed to improve his concentration.The route running,he kinda sluffed that off.
He didnot throw his teammates,or former coaches under any bus.The interviewers tried to get him to say something negative about Mo and Davidson,but he only talked about how good the new coaches are going to be.
To some of you,nothing is going to matter,you're minds are made up.You will take a small snippet,remove it from it's context,and bash the man who said it.That's fine.I found it enjoyable to listen to an intelligent,articulate,athlete talk about the Browns.
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I find it a bit ironic that I'm defending a prima-donna WR,but what's right is right.
Judging by most of the the comments,very few of you actually heard the entire interview with Adam Schien and Randy Cross.It was exceptional.BE came across as a caring and intelligent young man.Yes,he talked about his drops anf poor route running,he took full blame for the drops,saying he needed to improve his concentration.The route running,he kinda sluffed that off.
He didnot throw his teammates,or former coaches under any bus.The interviewers tried to get him to say something negative about Mo and Davidson,but he only talked about how good the new coaches are going to be.
To some of you,nothing is going to matter,you're minds are made up.You will take a small snippet,remove it from it's context,and bash the man who said it.That's fine.I found it enjoyable to listen to an intelligent,articulate,athlete talk about the Browns.
Be that as it may, when Braylon starts running correct routes, quits dropping and tippingthe ball to the other guys, showing the guts to go over the middle, then maybe I'll consider not thinking he's an idiot.
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Ugh. Look at this thread. What a mess!! Anyway, a couple of thoughts...
*I really don't think what BE said was all that bad. Coulda gone without the comment comparing Charlie to Brady already though. Just didn't need to go there yet.
*I agree that he should accept some responsibility for some of the offense's flaws last season. But at least he didn't blame his performance, or lack thereof, on his injuries or anything else.
*I think putting a number on "success" (10 wins) isn't always a good idea. I like that he has high expectations, but he should put those expectations on himself, not everyone else like Attack said. He should have said how many catches he plans of having, or how many TDs he plans to score. But to say 10 wins is a success might be a tall order for this young team. I'll be happy with 8. And I don't think he was only speaking of BQ when he said we'd have the pieces now. Did it ever occur to anyone that he could've been speaking of the O-line???
* I think, for BE's sake, he should really just keep a low-profile until he starts to silence his critics. Because all this talking before he has a chance to do so, isn't helping his image. Although, you gotta respect the the charity work he'd doing. I find fault with people that just bash him and pick apart everything he says without giving him credit for doing a lot to help the communities of Detroit and Cleveland. If you want your argument to carry some clout, give credit where credit is due.
It's funny actually. Define hypocritical .... Sitting behind a computer and throwing Braylon under the bus for doing what you describe as throwing his teammates under the bus, which by the way, he did not do in this interview. 
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All those saying stay out of the spotlight, keep your mouth shut, show it on the field.
You do know that it;s the Browns' publicist and PR department that pick what players will be on what shows right. It's not like these guys just call in like a regular Joe and say, "Hey I'm Braylon Edwards, I wanna talk on your show."
Apparently the PR department is trying to improve his image some, and has worked with him on what to say, and as they go along, I'm sure they tweak things all tell him to answer certain types of questions a little more generically, and such.
These players don't do any interviews without the teams approval.
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I find it a bit ironic that I'm defending a prima-donna WR,but what's right is right.
Judging by most of the the comments,very few of you actually heard the entire interview with Adam Schien and Randy Cross.It was exceptional.BE came across as a caring and intelligent young man.Yes,he talked about his drops anf poor route running,he took full blame for the drops,saying he needed to improve his concentration.The route running,he kinda sluffed that off.
He didnot throw his teammates,or former coaches under any bus.The interviewers tried to get him to say something negative about Mo and Davidson,but he only talked about how good the new coaches are going to be.
To some of you,nothing is going to matter,you're minds are made up.You will take a small snippet,remove it from it's context,and bash the man who said it.That's fine.I found it enjoyable to listen to an intelligent,articulate,athlete talk about the Browns.
I would LOVE to read or hear the ENTIRE interview but their is NO link for this story...
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I find it a bit ironic that I'm defending a prima-donna WR,but what's right is right.
Judging by most of the the comments,very few of you actually heard the entire interview with Adam Schien and Randy Cross.It was exceptional.BE came across as a caring and intelligent young man.Yes,he talked about his drops anf poor route running,he took full blame for the drops,saying he needed to improve his concentration.The route running,he kinda sluffed that off.
He didnot throw his teammates,or former coaches under any bus.The interviewers tried to get him to say something negative about Mo and Davidson,but he only talked about how good the new coaches are going to be.
To some of you,nothing is going to matter,you're minds are made up.You will take a small snippet,remove it from it's context,and bash the man who said it.That's fine.I found it enjoyable to listen to an intelligent,articulate,athlete talk about the Browns.
I would LOVE to read or hear the ENTIRE interview but their is NO link for this story...
That's because it was a Sirius NFL Radio talk show interview.
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This thread is ridiculous. First off, as has been said, don't judge an interview just by what people decide is fit to print. From the actual interview, it seems like Braylon realizes he's part of the problem and needs to fix things. Secondly, take a look at everything he said (other than his predictions). Is anything he said actually wrong? Quote:
Our defense played well most of the year, but the offense was giving them no help.
Pretty darn accurate if you watch the games. If we could've scored some points on top of a great defensive game, we might've actually finished out of the cellar.
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"So I saw a guy that's still learning, still has a long ways to go. But also I saw a guy that was put in a bad situation. I saw a guy who didn't have the best protection in football."
A bit blunt, but completely true, and it's not really bashing Frye either. We drafted Frye knowing that he had a bit more of a learning curve than many QBs. Is anyone really going to argue for a MAC pedigree versus Notre Dame, pro-system, Charlie Weis coaching? Charlie is still learning - I think he'd tell you that himself. Braylon also says that Frye was put into a bad situation and that really killed him - also dead on accurate. A young QB from a small conference›will need time and a good system to learn in; Frye had neither.
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Ding ding ding! The reason why our offense stunk to high heaven last year IS primarily because we were a run-first team that couldn't run. In truth, our poor run game performance was a combination of Droughns' ineptitude, bad coaching and poor line play. When the focal point of your offense is one of the worst in the league, you're going to stink. Period. Both positions have been upgraded (the line substantially) and our system will feature more passing with better coaches. Can you really blame Braylon for being excited?
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"Now that we have the frame, now that we have what we believe to be our identity, now you can begin to assess this man. This is the year that you can look and assess his game."
Another dead-on statement. You can't judge Frye yet because he had a horrible system to work with and was thrown into it head first. You can't judge Crennel either, because he simply didn't have the talent to work with. The true trial period for Crennel starts now, as it appears he actually has enough talent to field a fairly competitive team. If he shows no improvement with this new and improved squad, it's time for him to go.
I think the reason so many fans here hate Braylon and want to see him go is because the "put up or shut up" "point the finger at yourself only" mentality is so rampant in a blue collar town. There's nothing wrong with that (I'm actually in favor of such an attitude) but to condemn a guy because he is frank and has made some mistakes in the past is silly.
Braylon is a guy who became a millionaire overnight at age 22 and was taken at the top of the draft with lofty expectations and an inflated ego. He was used to a winning college tradition at Michigan before he came here to the land of sub-.500 in an incredibly poor system. He hates losing and it eventually got the best of him to the point where he started taking his frustrations out on other teammates and coaches while completely overlooking flaws in his own game. He was stupid.
I'm sure no one else on this board has made mistakes or acted out of line as a youth.
Last season was a wake-up call. Braylon, in the off-season, sounds much more mature, grounded and realistic. Does that mean he's going to be a reformed citizen who worked hard all year to fix the problems that plagued him last year? Of course not. However, do his past mistakes mean that he's going to be the exact same player and person for the rest of his career? Hardly.
The guy made a ton of mistakes last year. Seeing as how he'll be a Brown for a few more years, why don't we give him the benefit of the doubt and let him try to fix himself? If not, we toss him to the curb. Lighting up the torches and grabbing pitchforks like this forum seems to love doing to Braylon is just plain idiocy.
Everyone deserves a second chance. Let's give Braylon his before we railroad him out of town.
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Just clicking. I just have a few things to say. With all the negative garbage bashing Braylon Edwards because of a portion of an interview posted is absolutely pathetic. Cleveland use to be known as the best fans in the world. Well, now Cleveland is known for as a place where alot of people don't want to play and I think it's because of pathetic bashing fans that don't have a clue yet annoint themselves as "The Most knowledgeable Fans in the World". Newsflash, some are very knowledgable in which I've enjoyed reading yet some are just pathetic, team bashing, blowhards, big mouthed, and just downright jackoffs. You so called fans that constantly make judgements on reading part of an interview need to hear the whole interview. You need to get a life because you are not all that. You give Cleveland a bad reputation. You, not Braylon, need to Just STFU.
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BE took responsibility for his sideline antics and general lack of maturity last year in his TELEVISED interview on ESPN during the draft.
I don't know why some of you feel he must do that in every interview from now until the season. Seems rather silly.
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Thanks for the article... 
As for BE: actually I like what I heard and thought nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
As some mentioned - He's damned if he don't and damned if he does in whatever his actions are by many. A lot of "Leon" programming has to be reversed...lol 
If you notice...he didn't start a scholarship for the Michigan area...it was Cleveland's School District - he is becoming a Brown through n through.
BE made no bones about his Communication aspirations coming out of College...it is who is his. He's got the Face...He's got the Gab.
What he had to say was pretty spot on.
He recognizes that CF
a. didn't have the pedigree advantages of BQ.
b. didn't have a good environment.
c. but still recognizes him as the forefront QB to take the next step in 07.
He did state correct facts about our OL protection skills.
About our Run first Offense that couldn't gain more than a yard.
I do however think he possibly spilled too many beans about our Offense being a little more wide open. But then I'm sure all viewing Pre-Season will catch the drift of our new looks.
Lets face it. Whether you all like it or not. BE is the face of the Browns - he is the elder statesmen of this Team he was the first pick of RAC n Savage's regime and his personality welcomes the notoriety.
As far as earning this or that...the kid is coming into his 3rd year. What all need to do is get into Reality...BE is our elder statesman our team really is that Young in its leadership. Especially on O...JJ was never the limelight guy and his stay here is not as a stud but just a vet to lead by expample. KW2 - is busy rehabbing, he knows how much he MESSED up with his Motorcycle adventure. He is voicerous but more so in the heat of battle - since his EXPERIENCE he pretty much has kept silent in the off season.
I'm glad with BE's expectations of what a successful season is. But in reality we have many NEW things that do take time to gel. Yes, if most remain healthy and intact by the end of the year we should be playing like a team on the cusp of the Playoffs and a 10 win season. But how will we do the first 10 games as the offense gels and all have to get on the same page? That is the reality of things.
But the new offense sounds exciting. Also I keep invisioning how crisp and efficient Frye was in his last game as Davidson implemented the "Quick Time" progam with our air attack. That seems to have a similar basis of our air attack...maybe some 5 step drop patterns but the play is suppose to be off by 3 seconds. We have some good diverse weapons.
BE, JJ, Wilson, KW2, Lewis and Vickers. A lot of mismatches to be created - if they get out of the box we hit him some runs. But a lot of mismatches in coverage with that group out there.
Should be fun with a Defense that has done nothing but progress.
8-8 more likely but a lot depends on the teams Gel Factor with the new Offense.
JMHO
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He actually defended Crennel and Frye saying its not fair to judge those 2 because the supporting casts were so weak, I'm sure Braylon knowns he dropped passes he's not that cocky.
Ummm..."I'm not trying to step out on a limb or anything like that, but with that said, we have what we've been looking for." Aka - Now that we have Mr. Big-School QB and all-american super-hero Brady Quinn...we can actually think about winning football games.
"We have an offensive system now that can work for us. We have players on offense that can work for us." Aka - Boy I'm glad we got rid of that coaching staff from last year. They all sucked and really held me back. I'm gonna SHINE now. Did I mention it's awesome that we got golden-boy Brady Quinn?
"I saw some growth, but I still saw a kid that was coming from an Akron or a [Mid-American Conference] school and didn't necessarily have the knowledge or preparation of a Brady Quinn-type of collegiate QB." Aka - Akron? I don't even know where that is. Obviously anybody who came from there is nothing but a scrub and we weren't going to win with. Boy I'm glad we got this guy from NOTRE DAME though. I mean...he went to NOTRE DAME! It's a sure bet. We're winning the Super Bowl because we got a QB from NOTRE DAME!
We hear you Braylon. Everybody else sucked last year but you. Well, now it's your time to shine. Put up or shut up. Just because he has a lot of talent and rehabbed quickly from an injury doesn't give him the right to think he's all that and a bag of potato chips. So, if he doesn't have an All-Pro caliber 1,500 yard season he better expect to get publicly thrown under the bus by his teammates and fans.
... Is the name "BraylonEdwardsHater666" taken I am sure you would fit well with it.
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Exactly. Think about it:
Who was more reliable, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was more professional, Joe J or Braylon?
Who was a team player and a leader, Joe J or Braylon?
Who has never criticized his teammates in public, Joe J or Braylon?
Who admitted it when he had a bad game or dropped passes, Joe J or Braylon?
Now, who is better suited to comment on the team and give interviews?
Who should shut the ___ up?
Who led the team in receiving yards?
Who led the team in receiving touchdowns?
Who has the most yards in one game?
Who had the longest reception of the year?
Now, before you ask it....
Who had the most drops?
I know, but all of those things don't make up for drops? Give the man a chance.
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He shouldn't be putting himself in the position of being asked questions by the national media. With his play last year he should be hitting the books, spending time with the QB's and WR's coach, and working out.
Because he spoke to the national media he doesn't have time to workout or study?
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Once again I'm amazed. This board is supposed to be full of Browns fans, instead it's full of people who love seeing a team lose year after year.
I'm amazed that you can't tell the difference. Wanting a "team player" instead of a "TO Wannabe" has nothing to do with "love seeing a team loose year after year". It's expecting "professionals",to act like adults,not spoiled brat,8 year olds. Big difference.
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Everyone against Braylon's comments are, no doubt, against players who want to win. You don't understand anything about competition,
If you want to win? ACT like it ON the field! Don't TALK ABOUT IT then play "I don't know where the hell to line up" on game day. Run your routes right,shut-up and SHOW what you got,don't talk about it. Talk's cheap,his salary is high. Quit letting his BS impess you and expect him to produce. Since when has throwing temper tantrums and blaming everyone else for your OWN shortcomings become an admirable trait in society? When has "refusing to man up" became impressive? I guess the naive may see it that way.
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nor about a torn ACL or dislocated finger nor about media and interviews. Nothing at all. How some of you get through life is beyond me.
Look in the mirror Bud. You're the one who more impressed by "words than deeds". It's easy to get played as the sucker when you think like that.
A #3 overall draft pick who can't catch for a 1000 yards? And some are "impressed by his mouth and his tantrums"? I think we are witnessing a new qlique forming as we post. Or is it a cult................
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let me fix something for you...
A #3 overall draft pick who came back from a torn ACL early led the team in receiving yards and touchdowns and some are overreacting because he played in Michigan for college or because they like twisting anything they say into something negative.
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