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I think Manziel looked better. Here is why:

--made quicker reads
--was more decisive in his throws
--scrambled when he should have
--bought time while playing behind a garbage OL [Bowie and Erving really struggles. Bowie especially]
--stood in the pocket when he should have

We have to give it some time. We have new players, especially at qb, a new O coordinator, alot of guys hurt and new schemes. If we dominated this game and won 31-7 it doesn't mean we're headed to the Superbowl. Be patient. This does get old but it is where we are like it or not.

IMO, the only thing Manziel will have to overcome is his height. Not so confident he can do that. He can make plays, but his vision in the middle of the field will be on not what he sees, but more of anticipation and timing with the WR. I see lots of INT's coming from him bc of that.

He will become very predictable in that his throws will be to the sidelines, or to his checkdown. That won't win us games.

If anyone on here knows mac personally, please reach out to him and make sure he's ok. It appears an imposter has gotten a hold of his username.

If I had a doallar for everytime I heard..."It's only pre-season"..."They are fine tuning things..."The coaches need time to implement their offense" ect...Come on,they built another version of the Ford Pinto again,and I'm not going to sit here and pretend it's a Mustang. Being a Browns fan yourself,you should know by now that 20-17 losses are the kind of games we major in. Heck,I think they we may own the screenplay rights to that script by now. Anyways,that's fine if you guys want to be "Homers" or "Optimists",
but to be questioning why anyone would come to the conclusions I am about this franchise,is laughable at this point. No sir,I'm not buying anymore apple pies from this establishment,until I taste the goods first. You'll still see me cheering on the team Sunday's in a game thread,and loving every win ect,but expect me to laugh when they stike out with the bases loaded and no outs too.

SuperBrown you do realize Browns offense scored one TD last year in all of preseason. Fact, they double last year in one game. To me, that is greater than zero in improvement, and doubling TDs seems like a progression not a regression.

As for the DL, I thought the interior did well. OLBs struggled with containment. One could factor players are over zealous trying to show things to stand out. Being this is the first preseason game and new players being added it may take a little time for the unit to get timing down.

mac:

good post.

I admire your persistence... but-
good luck going forward.

Maybe you'll have better luck than I did.

I think our friends Mr. Pierce and SuperBrown might be suffering from "Battered Dawg Syndrome"... and there's only one cure for that. WE aren't that cure, you know?

He already did that, in spades. Unfortunately it was not in this league. I agree now that it shouldn't have been carried over. Apparently, so does he.

Seemed to show discipline, made a play call on his own, ran well when he should have and where he should have for the score. Improved, and showed solid growth, and I guess most of all, relied on his team rather than his feet as first go to. And I agree with your list as well.

This was a different Manziel IMO. Your description would be accurate for what I saw that upset me last season. But he improved with his decisions, so I expect the head to be ahead of the execution in 1st pre-season with 2+ string.
Frame it differently, perhaps. I thought he was worlds better if Iwere setting a bar with JM's performance than where I would set the bar for a Lewis performance which I thought was almost as awful as Manziel's worst last year. JMOs, but they disagree with your post but no big deal either way.

I can understand the lack of patience in the younger crowd here. They aren't like us, who've seen the Browns play playoff caliber football for successive seasons. All they know are the false promises, calls for patience and the crap that's been on the field since '99. To them it seems all but impossible to field a consistently winning team....they expect the same 'ol same 'ol and feel there's no reason to expect otherwise. I can hardly blame them. Although my 18yo son is a diehard fan, he's not getting his hopes up until he sees results on the field. I'm sick of trying to convince him that "this will be the year".

Amen Brother ...

...the cure is in the developmental stages..some don't understand the need for patience. [/quote/]


That is a great sentence. So true.

Yeah, Brown's fans aren't patient. Heck, we just won a Championship in 1964----just a few short years ago.

Lol, funny, but I was actually referring to the first part of what I quoted.... at this stage, where the Browns are as a team.... The cure IS in the development. Btw I've enjoyed your posts as of late.

I wasn't ripping you.......just couldn't pass up a shot at being sarcastic. Been a rough week returning to the grind or working in a field where you are underpaid, under appreciated, overworked, and asked to work many more hours than you are paid for.

If you are "underpaid, under appreciated, over worked, and work many more hours than you are paid for" - get a different damn job.

I know many, MANY teachers that love what they do, appreciate the pay, and love the benefits that come with it. If it doesn't suit you, come to the other side. I believe, if memory serves me, you had a previous job where you were making way, WAY good money, right?

Johnny Manziel has a Texas A&M moment near end of practice

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The Bills’ vaunted pass rush took this play off. Instead, they dropped eight into coverage as Manziel and the second-team offense looked to cross into the end zone from about 5 or so yards out.

The ball was snapped and Manziel looked through his reads. He found nothing. He scrambled to his left, looking to make a throw against his body. Once again finding nothing, Manziel stopped and reversed field, running a few more yards backward to avoid one of the few Bills pass rushers. When he reached the far hash marks, Manziel uncorked a well-placed pass to running back Timothy Flanders, who jumped and caught it in the back of the end zone.

One problem: Flanders didn’t get both feet in bounds, and the result was an incompletion.

“It’s obviously a time where they’re not going to have a lot of guys rushing and you’ve got to buy some time,” Manziel said. “More than anything just have a little fun for a little bit and run around. not do anything that’s dangerous and not do anything silly. Either our ball or nobody’s ball in the back of the end zone.”

Manziel’s day was a mixed bag. He was on the throwing end on one of the best offensive plays of the practice when he connected with Shane Wynn on a deep pass. He also threw an interception in the red zone earlier in the practice, as he threw off his back foot into a crowd on fourth down.

Manziel will be the second quarterback used against the Bills on Thursday. He could play into the third quarter depending on how many snaps he gets in the first half.

"Just progress, really that's it,” Manziel said, detailing his goals for his second preseason game. “Do better than last week. We scored once last week let’s get in twice last week."

Throwing a pick into a crowd on fourth down isn't really that bad. If you're not going to score, at least give your guy a chance at it. better than throwing the ball out of bounds.

they said it was fourth down.

Everyone knows I rip this kid alot, but the improvements from last year up to this point are just incredibly obvious and clear.

He needs to continue exactly, 100% exactly, on his current path. It's so refreshing seeing him make big plays and no money sign or immaturity. Heck he barely even celebrates.

The articles about his focus and etc all seem to be validated. I'm not saying he should be starter, but I am saying the kid seems to be on the right track!

IMO, we're a 5 or 6 win team regardless which of our QBs plays; of course he should be the starter. We need to know at the end of this season whether he's our guy going forward, or not.

I will say it like this.

Johnny is close to being ready to be the QB of the Browns. I think he needs live reps. He needs #1 reps against #1 defenses. He is improving and will continue to improve.

McCown is a career backup on his 6th or 7th team. He is who he is.

I let Josh rest the finger this week and let Johnny play 3 or 4 quarters. I come out and say Josh is still my #1 but we are gonna let him heal up this week and give Johnny some valuable reps.

Johnny sucks, there is no issue now going with Josh he has been in the league 16 years he doesnt need those reps as much anyway and you still have preseason game 4. If Johnny passes the test, then you can go with Johnny as he is our future anyway.

I think this is Josh's 9th team..I'd have to check but I think so.

I actually thought that Johnny played his best game as a Brown last night. Funny how we can all watch the same game and come away with different opinions.

Mayle catches that last pass and we still have a chance of a FG to win.

wow 9th lol.

It was the best johnny has looked and dropped passes and guys standing around killed that last drive. I didnt fault him for that one. mayle dropped 2 first downs. We had a couple called back due to penalties and we get a first if Mayle catches the ball that hit him in the hands.

Overall, he impressed me. The TD throw, he had a linebacker one on one the only man between himself and the endzone and he pulls up throws a beautiful pass to Wynn.

Last year he couldnt get a playcall in. Last night he is making line adjustments, calling audibles and he put us in good positions using his brain. He checked into runs that were really effective.

Couple plays I thought he was a little to eager to get the ball out quickly but the issues I saw was more of needing game experience than not ready.

I agree with Mourg. Manziel looked pretty good and McCown's INT's gave me a bad feeling for the coming season.

I also thought Wynn may have won his spot on the team while Mayle pretty much sealed a trip to the PS.

But many things can happen so we'll see.

Manziel showed me the same things that really made me like Brian Hoyer when he played that fourth preseason game a couple of years ago. Hoyer just seemed to understand wha he was doing and where he needed to go with the ball. I saw a lot of that from Manziel last night.

I also saw that competitive fire that he displayed in college return. He was pissed at his WRs at the end, and I don't blame him.

He also looked like a poor man's Russell Wilson on that last drive. Really elusive, but elusive to buy time to create a throw. Really composed.

Color me extremely encouraged. This could be the biggest 180 we've ever witnessed. This isn't just Manziel being a good QB, this is a cat changing his stripes. Completely changing the person he was.

The media in Cleveland is going to hate this. Most of them hate Manziel and if he turns it around they won't have much to complain about. Then they also have to give Farmer some credit and maybe back off the fire Farmer campaign. This is terrible for guys like Grossi and McManaman.

Grossi will find something negative to spin off. That's almost a guarantee.

I've since checked, and the Browns are McCowns "10th" Team if you count what I think is an Arena league team,,,,, Yikes

I also saw Mayle catch a nice pass by Manziel. He's got work to do to be thought of as reliable.

I'd really REALLY like to see Manziel with the 1's against the 1's of Tampa Bay next week. Not asking him to start as I doubt that will happen, but if for no other reason than just to satisfy my curious nature. I think we'd all like to see it.

That may happen in pre-season game #4, although the #1 O/line may not make much of an appearance either...

We all know what McCown is, we saw a glimpse of it last night. He is really, really bad. This team's highest ceiling has Manziel at QB. He needs to start.

Since I wrote that it probably won't happen, there are now reports that McCowns ring finger is dinged. Not sure yet how serious.

I can see them holding McCown out of the Tampa game and for sure we'll see Manziel start with the 1's. And I would guess if that happens, it will be an extended time.

If McCown is banged up too much, who would be get to be our "OLD PRO"!

+100 McCown has peaked already and hit his pinnacle years ago...Manziel needs to be brought along...Just wish he had more weapons