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Thanks for the article.

I am tired of this guys jabbering' already... To me less is more with this guy...

I want to see him play ball... He needs to shut his hole, learn his role and let his play and example do his talking...

When he comes close to playing up to his hype and potential, then I'll listen and give him the respect he earns.

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Without Edwards, we have 884 less yards and 6 less TDs. I'd say that's good for the taeam.




So Soup, Your saying that whoever replaces BE catches no passes for no yards? Antionio Bryant might have caught a few and he wasn't afraid to go over the middle. Seems to me about half of Charlie's ints were passes to Edwards that got tipped or he gave up on or didn't bother to fight for or ran a bad route or broke off to soon. The guy has the ability he just needs to produce.




Exactly. Saying "without b.e. we are down those catches and yards is the equivlant to saying we would've played with 10 players. Put Cribbs in at rec. for the whole year, not Bryant, and I wonder what the stats would've said...

B.E. is a me me me me me guy.

Until he proves it on the field, that's he's a player, I think the city of Cleveland should be tickled that he has donated a small potion of his income to help the kids.

B.E. caught passes that any nfl rec. should catch. He's not special there.

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So Soup, Your saying that whoever replaces BE catches no passes for no yards? Antionio Bryant might have caught a few and he wasn't afraid to go over the middle. Seems to me about half of Charlie's ints were passes to Edwards that got tipped or he gave up on or didn't bother to fight for or ran a bad route or broke off to soon. The guy has the ability he just needs to produce.




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Which is why you are ripping on him for saying he doesn't consider 8-8 a successful year, he considers the TEAM going 10-6 as a successful year. Do you people even pay attention to yourselves?

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Get off your high horse...

Who the heck are you anyway???

What do you mean by you people???

BE is a loud mouth, shelfish punk... Thats why you like him...

BE needs to play ball and shut his hole... He is not as good as he thinks hes is... Much like you...

Come correct man... Check your ego at the door... Start talking some sense or stop talkin...

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Get off your high horse...

Who the heck are you anyway???

What do you mean by you people???

BE is a loud mouth, shelfish punk... Thats why you like him...

BE needs to play ball and shut his hole... He is not as good as he thinks hes is... Much like you...

Come correct man... Check your ego at the door... Start talking some sense or stop talkin...




BE is a loud mouth, shelfish punk... Thats why you like him...

You sound exactly like that, funny.


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Randy Moss says he wants to win
Terrell Owens says he wants to win
Braylon Edwards says he wants to win

Yet all 3 of those guys are the first to blame others when the team loses and are the last ones to look in the mirror. If they'd look in the mirror they'd see that their lack of effort to block on running plays; their lack of effort to run a route when they aren't the 1st read and all their dropped passes helped in causing the losses.

The day Braylon starts critiquing his own play more than he critiques other players and coaches will be the day Braylon finally gets 'it'.

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Get off your high horse...

Who the heck are you anyway???

What do you mean by you people???

BE is a loud mouth, shelfish punk... Thats why you like him...

BE needs to play ball and shut his hole... He is not as good as he thinks hes is... Much like you...

Come correct man... Check your ego at the door... Start talking some sense or stop talkin...





Show me 5 Braylon Edwards statments that show he's a selfish FOOTBALL player.

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Wait,so when he says the offense didn't support the defense enough he means everyone but him


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Caught ya!!! TRAPPED!!!

Then why does it matter if he says some stuff in a stupid little interview after a game or something that everyone bags him for being immature? You can't have it both ways!






Because charitable contributions off the field mean jack-squat to how you act during the football season.

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I don't have a problem w/Leon doing these interviews. The Browns FO deemed it necessary for him to repair his image. He is well-spoken and good looking and it is their hope that he will come across as intelligent and articulate.

For the most part, Leon has said the right things. However, even though he is trying hard not to be a jerk, he just can't help himself at times. His comments on Charlie managed to bash both Charlie and the offensive line at the same time. It's a gift w/Leon...... *L*

My real problems w/Leon stem from what he has done before this off-season. I've read about his numbers, as if they tell the entire story. They don't. I'm not going to list all the things I know about Leon, but I'm going to list several. Enough to make the point......that is........if you want to see it.

---Leon says he wants to win.

---Yet, he doesn't know all the plays.

---He didn't always know where to line up.

---He didn't run the correct routes.

---He was late for meetings and practices. He was once TWO HOURS LATE. How in the hell can you be 2 hrs. late?

I'm sorry, but these things tell me he didn't really want to win. It's lip service.

Leon also has not been a good teammate:

---We all saw the incident on the sideline. He "explains" that he isn't getting on Charlie, but was blaming the OL. Last time I checked.......the offensive line was part of the team, Leon.

---He bad-mouthed Russell because he was afraid of getting hit by the Bengal DBs. Lame as it gets.

---When his WR coach was trying to get him to work on running precise routes, Leon looked at him and said........."Who the F... are you to tell me how to run routes? Where were you drafted?"

---He blew off Joe J. in a very similar situation.

---He blew off his head coach in a similar situation.

---After one incident when Leon was bad-mouthing teammates, one big O-lineman had to be physically restrained by several teammates because he was going to bash Leon's head in.

---Leon made it know that he thought the program and coaching he got at Michigan was superior to anything the Browns had. No one could tell him anything.

---During one team meeting, it was pointed out that between Leon and K2, they ran the wrong route on 19 plays. In ONE GAME! It was pointed out to them that through the course of the year, these mistakes led to Charlie holding the ball longer than he was supposed to and the OL also taking blame for the subsequent sacks. K2 was contrite. Leon blew off the ENTIRE team.

Afterwards, the team fractured in several areas. Many players were upset that Leon was being allowed to get away w/things that they couldn't get away with. The team started breaking into factions and the team unity was shot.

Thus, I don't want to hear jack-squat about his numbers. He has problems running routes, remembering plays, catching the ball, being on time for practices and meetings, fighting for the ball.......and most of all..........being a teammate. Thus far, he has been a huge cancer on the team. I hope he turns it around. I think he has a chance at turning it around. But, these staged charity and media events aren't going to change my mind. The only thing that will change my mind is what he does in practice, in meetings, in the locker room, and on the field next year.

Until then......it's still:

Announcer: Hey Leon, there isn't an I in team.

Leon: There ain't no We, either.


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---When his WR coach was trying to get him to work on running precise routes, Leon looked at him and said........."Who the F... are you to tell me how to run routes? Where were you drafted?"

---He blew off Joe J. in a very similar situation.

---He blew off his head coach in a similar situation.

---After one incident when Leon was bad-mouthing teammates, one big O-lineman had to be physically restrained by several teammates because he was going to bash Leon's head in.

---Leon made it know that he thought the program and coaching he got at Michigan was superior to anything the Browns had. No one could tell him anything.

---During one team meeting, it was pointed out that between Leon and K2, they ran the wrong route on 19 plays. In ONE GAME! It was pointed out to them that through the course of the year, these mistakes led to Charlie holding the ball longer than he was supposed to and the OL also taking blame for the subsequent sacks. K2 was contrite. Leon blew off the ENTIRE team.





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These are some things I didn't know. They don't help my opinion of him at all.

Look, as I said above, I didn't know the extreme that BE was screwing up, especially in the club house. But even then I saw him develop gator arms way to often in games, especially as the season wore on. BE did NOT seem willing to put his body on the line during the game. Now I know he worked his ass off to come back from injury early, but you have to temper that with how he played when it counted.

This is my humble opinion of Edwards, he is all about making the fantastic catch that doesn't invovle hard contact. He can make some spectacular catches, but one where he takes a hard hit doesn't come to mind. If someone can remember one, let me know. Until he shows the willingness to lay it out ON THE FIELD, he can't talk about his teamates off of it. Even then, he needs to be carefull.

I still haven't given up on Braylon, but I am not giving him much more rope either.


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All said and done its year 3 for BE...Like several positions its takes time to adjust to the NFL. Even with a NEW system in place this year. A route is a route is a route. Terminology needs to be learned but the pace of the game the sharpness of his routes all this needs to be Seen in him this year. His Rehab is over now its time to see his progress.

I'm not a big proponent on drafting a WR high. But I'd like to see the finished product.

If its not finished we are not in graved situations what is done is done and we can get WR talent here - He does have skills though - Great Skills. Now that we got him I'm looking forward to see them. I'm really curious to the progress of Wilson though...believe it or not he could be very, very key!

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Thats it??? Thats your reply??? You don't get it... I'm probably wasting my time with you again... Do you ever look at a issue or situation objectively? Do you think before you post? Do you read what you write before you send?

Why don't you go back and watch his play first... Then re-watch his actions and behaviours, that have been so clearly documented... What he has done speaks clearly... What he has said does as well but it is secondary...

5 Statements??? Is that your critertia for shelfishness???

You want to read more of his BS??? First take off your BE tainted glasses... Then go back and read say his last 10 interviews and or clips...

BE needs to play ball and the rest will take care of itself... IMO, you should take a similar tact...

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It was bad. I thought this place was bad, but that place was horrendous. Comments like "accuracy is not a big deal for a QB" left me more than




Did I miss something? I was wondering where you went.

Also wondering where CoachB went, he's been mysteriously absent after the draft. Hope nothing bad happened (serious, always enjoy a good debate).

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Thats it??? Thats your reply??? You don't get it... I'm probably wasting my time with you again... Do you ever look at a issue or situation objectively? Do you think before you post? Do you read what you write before you send?

Why don't you go back and watch his play first... Then re-watch his actions and behaviours, that have been so clearly documented... What he has done speaks clearly... What he has said does as well but it is secondary...

5 Statements??? Is that your critertia for shelfishness???

You want to read more of his BS??? First take off your BE tainted glasses... Then go back and read say his last 10 interviews and or clips...

BE needs to play ball and the rest will take care of itself... IMO, you should take a similar tact...



So your saying you have no proof that he's a selfish player? You do realize as a rookie he tore his ACL by fighting for the ball don't you? It takes a long time to get that out of your head and get the confidence back to do it again. Your reply is proof that you have zero proof he's a selfish FOOTBALL player.

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Help me out somebody. Has anyone been able to remember one headcase, selfish player that has changed his ways and become team first? I can't think of one offhand.

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Help me out somebody. Has anyone been able to remember one headcase, selfish player that has changed his ways and become team first? I can't think of one offhand.




Well, then we should just cut him now and get rid of the headache he will undoubtedly cause this entire team and its fanbase. Since everyone is so sure he will be nothing but a cancer to this team, we should just get rid of him because there is no way he can ever improve or be a good player for this team.

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Well, then we should just cut him now and get rid of the headache he will undoubtedly cause this entire team and its fanbase. Since everyone is so sure he will be nothing but a cancer to this team, we should just get rid of him because there is no way he can ever improve or be a good player for this team.




Not cut but maybe try to trade him before his Rep gets worse than it already is.

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LMAO!! You were serious? Okay, or you can do the rational thing and let him prove that he's NOT what everyone thinks he is and take a chance on a guy that you drafted #3 overall with your first draft choice as GM of the organization. Good thing you're not running the show.

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Winning cures everything.

If we went 12-4 last year you people wouldn't care if he spit on RAC in the middle of a game for a bad challenge or something.

It's the off season, the team thought it would be good to have him to the interview...NOTICE I said the team, because he didn't decide to do this on his own. And unless you HEARD the interview on the radio, you don't know the nature of the questions, the tones of his voice.

Bodden could do a radio interview and say "I'm going to kill Chad Johnson" the words mean one thing, but the tone of the voice can give it totally different meaning.

Yes, Edwards needs to prove his worth on the field, but damn it's off season, there's a lack of information this time of year,we were a 4-12 team, be happy anyone on our team is even getting air time.

He has confidence in the team going into the year, and in himself, and lets hope that carries through to some wins and productive play.


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LMAO!! You were serious? Okay, or you can do the rational thing and let him prove that he's NOT what everyone thinks he is and take a chance on a guy that you drafted #3 overall with your first draft choice as GM of the organization. Good thing you're not running the show.




I'm listening to you, I giv up on this. It's a fact -- he could come out next year get 1500 yards and 15 TDs and people will get mad because he likes to eat ice cream. 2nd to offensive line, since '99 this team has lacked players with attitude (Winslow, Edwards). On D guys who play with attitude - Wimbley and Jones. We got 2 on each side. Only the 2 on O speak about things. But all undeniably play with a fire. Oh well, Browns fans have to find ways to be miserable - that's what being a fan is all about.

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Then why does it matter if he says some stuff in a stupid little interview after a game or something that everyone bags him for being immature? You can't have it both ways!






Because charitable contributions off the field mean jack-squat to how you act during the football season.

If you don't get that, then there's nothing left to discuss with you.





I didn't read it like that, I read what you said more as "So what if he donated a million and a half, all I care about is that he made his o-line look bad."

1.5 Million is alot of money, even for a football player, it shows me hes really trying to help others out and rebuild his image.

Just misunderstood you.

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Yeah, that place is hell, it's just a ton of OSU homers. If you get banned here just go to that place is really good for football conversations.

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Its a shame as there are 25% ok posters there...50% fairly silent and readers...then 25% who post verociously with little Football to back their opinions and object to those who wish to do so...lol

I knew you were in pain there although most gave you props...

Still I refuse to abandon the Browns board all together - but I lose it every now and then.

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I knew you were in pain there although most gave you props...

Still I refuse to abandon the Browns board all together - but I lose it every now and then.

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Just this past season when the front office wanted Keyshawn to own up for his own mistakes in the passing game the way Delhomme did. Meshawn didn't.

That's one of the reasons they took Jarrett and released Meshawn.


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Just this past season when the front office wanted Keyshawn to own up for his own mistakes in the passing game the way Delhomme did. Meshawn didn't.

That's one of the reasons they took Jarrett and released Meshawn.





I completely missed that, what article was it in? Also, Smith and Keyshawn were getting older and Colbert hasn't been reliable - there's the reason they took Jarrett.

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Here's why Keyshawn Johnson is gone:

Although the receiver, who was followed by controversy in his previous stops, seemed to be a model citizen in his one season with the Panthers, there were some-behind the scenes issues.

Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame away from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't.

Johnson also didn't endear himself to some key people by questioning some coaching moves. The Panthers are on the hook for $3.75 million in salary cap space because of remaining signing bonus prorations. They may designate Johnson as a June 1 cut and spread the cap hit over two years.

The decision to part ways with Johnson actually was made at least several weeks ago. When a rumor was circulating about this move last week, Panthers general manager Marty Hurney told The Observer that information was "not accurate.''

Apparently, the Panthers wanted to make sure their bases were covered before officially making the move, and the clincher came when they drafted USC's Dwayne Jarrett in the second round Saturday.






Keyshawn has never changed his tune. He's just not been as arrogant in front of the camera as in years past (well, except for the Draft *L*).


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Although the receiver, who was followed by controversy in his previous stops, seemed to be a model citizen in his one season with the Panthers, there were some-behind the scenes issues.

Some very important people in the organization weren't happy when Johnson failed to stand up and take blame away from quarterback Jake Delhomme after some critical passes intended for Johnson were intercepted. At least one very important person in the organization urged Johnson to do that and he didn't.

Johnson also didn't endear himself to some key people by questioning some coaching moves. The Panthers are on the hook for $3.75 million in salary cap space because of remaining signing bonus prorations. They may designate Johnson as a June 1 cut and spread the cap hit over two years.

The decision to part ways with Johnson actually was made at least several weeks ago. When a rumor was circulating about this move last week, Panthers general manager Marty Hurney told The Observer that information was "not accurate.''

Apparently, the Panthers wanted to make sure their bases were covered before officially making the move, and the clincher came when they drafted USC's Dwayne Jarrett in the second round Saturday.






Keyshawn has never changed his tune. He's just not been as arrogant in front of the camera as in years past (well, except for the Draft *L*).




Are these the same people who reported that Winslow would be out all of last year? That Savage was going to be fired? That Lerner was selling the team? This sounds an awful lot like a Roger Brown article to me. There is one quote "not accurate" in the article. The rest is nameless speculation.

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