DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Ryan Mallett vs. Brian Hoyer: Both quarterbacks impressive in first practice against Redskins

if its close mallet is the guy i would start. more upside and younger. i wasnt happy farmer did not even talk to him as a FA.

If they're even, probably gotta vote of putting the younger in and see what ya got. Maybe by preseason end, one will have separated themselves and get the nod.

Tab, you are a great addition to this board. Always have been when posting here. You understand a lot about the game. I appreciate those contributions. But when reading people's posts, depending on the subject matter, there's more to it.

You actually said what I believe you post in regards to talent on our team. You admitted that you always praise our players and point out the positives when they are here. That only after they leave do you point out the negatives.

That's not being objective about our players. And that's fine. Nobody is saying anything's wrong with that. But what it does do is point out that your viewpoint which is presented is skewed. It's not an even handed view of our players.

So with that in mind, do you actually feel people should take your view of the talent of our players seriously? I'm not trying to be mean or pick a fight. But if I were to say to you that I'm going to a total homer in regards to our players and only be honest with you once they leave, would you take what I say about them when they're here seriously?

I think the world of you here as a poster Tab. It's just when you talk about our team and players I take it with a grain of salt. And you yourself pointed out perfectly why I do so.

yea. pretty much what i think.

I don't pretend to know whether we talked to Mallet's agent or not, but it was well known that the Texans wanted to keep Mallet. According to RotoWorld, Mallet signed his new deal on March 9, before any team could sign him after the official start on March 10 @ 4:00pm. Negotiations (only, no signings) through the player's agent was allowed starting March 7. I would suspect that Farmer (whether he contacted the agent or not) may have seen this as an unproductive move...

Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett both play well in opener
51

By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The NFL Editor
Published: Aug. 15, 2015 at 10:47 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 16, 2015 at 12:14 a.m.


Bill O'Brien's big decision didn't get any easier on Saturday night. The Houston Texans coach watched his two starting quarterback candidates play very well in the team's preseason-opening win against San Francisco.
Watch out-of-market games

Brian Hoyer started the game and put up eight points in his only drive. He completed a third-and-long to keep the drive alive, and then hit Cecil Shorts for a 58-yard catch-and-run touchdown over the middle.

Shorts, also in a battle for snaps, looked very fast pulling away from 49ers safety Antoine Bethea. Hoyer's night was done after he hit sneaky Hard Knocks star DeAndre Hopkins with a back shoulder throw for the two-point conversion.

Ryan Mallett played the remainder of the first half. While the Texans didn't score under his watch, that had more to do with the team's poor running. (The Texans had 10 consecutive plays inside the 10-yard line on Mallett's first drive without scoring.) Mallett was very accurate, completing 10 of 11 passes for 90 yards. While he wasn't flashy, Mallett knew where to go with the ball. His only bad decision came when he tried to scramble for a first down.

The distribution of snaps was the most interesting thing about the Texans battle on Saturday. Hoyer only played one series, which is how you normally treat a starter in the preseason. But O'Brien indicated after the game that Mallett would start the second week of the preseason, with Hoyer playing more in reserve. This battle isn't ending anytime soon. link

Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer struggle in loss to Broncos

Link

If Bill O'Brien declares a starting quarterback next week, it likely won't be based on Saturday night's performances.

Neither Ryan Mallett nor Brian Hoyer impressed in the 14-10 loss to the Denver Broncos. In reality, both were downright awful.

Mallett got the start, going 5-of-7 passing for just 23 yards on two drives. Despite boasting a strong arm, not once in his seven passes did Mallett even look to throw deep. On one telegraphed pass, Broncos linebacker Brandon Marshall almost picked Mallett off on a short throw.

Hoyer entered the game and didn't fare any better, going 7-of-11 for 52 yards. The veteran passer at least attempted to stretch the defense with a couple deep shots (didn't connect), but he also took two sacks.

Neither quarterback led a scoring drive -- Tom Savage needed to enter the game in the second half to lead Houston into field-goal range.

The duo combined for just six first downs (Mallett: two; Hoyer: four) in a depressing first half.

This is the hell O'Brien is living in right now.

or as much as the coach insists he believes in both Hoyer and Mallett, a game like Saturday has to test that resolve.

Arian Foster's injury magnified the weaknesses in both quarterbacks. Those deficiencies were evident in a lousy preseason outing.

Instead of an intriguing quarterback battle Saturday night that could have provided fireworks, we witnessed a pillow fight between ragamuffins.

That's better than Hoyer did in the preseason for us last year.

Yeah, but we have Manziel.

And McCown!

(They are all [probably] terrible.)

I wouldn't give up on Manziel just yet.

Oh I haven't given up on him. There is clearly progress in his game from last year. I just don't believe you draft a QB in round 1 that you anticipate staying on the bench for two years at least. I believe he is behind the curve from others drafted in his same class.

What we have to hope for is not only can his talent equate to at least a mid level NFL starter, but also that he keeps his demons in the rear view mirror. Those don't put the odds in his favor IMO.

So while I certainly haven't given up on him, I believe the likelihood of any success as a mid tear NFL starter aren't good. As a Browns fan I certainly hope he beats those odds. Nothing could make me happier than to have a resolution at the QB position.

Aaron Rodgers?

Can you count Drew Brees since he was drafted 32nd?

How successful has the Browns been getting their first round QB started early?

There's a difference in having Brett Favre as your QB with plans to develop someone behind him.

But when you have no QB, you can't be suggesting that was the plan here can you?

Brees also played in all 16 games in his second season.

I will always have hope but essentially I have given up on Manziel. I have seen nothing that says to me that he will be anything more than a midlevel NFL backup.

Even the best plays he has made in preseason vs 2nd/3rd team players. But I am hoping that he develops something more than I think he can. And I will continue to hope for that until we move on to our next hope. Maybe, just maybe that will be someone I can believe in.

So two guys?

(And Brees started all sixteen games his second year. And no, we don't get to consider Brees a first round pick.)

I checked and the only other noteworthy QBs since 1970 who sat all or most of their first 2 years are:

Tommy Krammer
Ken O'Brien
Chad Pennington
Jim Harbaugh

Hoyer's night was much better than McCown's.

wasn't everybody's?

Save maybe RG3

Douche versus turd sandwich.

I agree w/that.

JM's night was better than Hoyer.

JM's night was better than Hoyer? Great grammar.

Doesn't matter because McCown is our starter.

Same doesn't matter much Mallett is the starter.

Aaron Rodgers..... sheesh...

Rodgers was already mentioned and that is why 66 said "the only other noteworthy QBs...."

Basically you are saying development is not acceptable. Teams need to draft the perfect QB who can produce year one maybe year two. Otherwise, sack the guy and move on. This is stated when only one or two drafted QBs prove successful in the last several years. Other than Luck, maybe Wilson, we haven't seen much.

Hoyer sucks! And he was extremely selfish. McCown may not be what we want, but he is a team player and he is helping the other QB's.

Hoyer (IMO) is a competent backup/fringe starter, and there is a place in this league for this caliber of player. McCown, whatever qualities/performance he brings to our team, is aptly described by your comment...

Teaching or mentoring? I believe that a veteran should pass on to a newbie his experiences, knowledge, lessons learned. That is something valuable that cannot be taught...

I saw where Hoyer was just named starter.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/24/report-hoyer-named-texans-starter/

Good for Hoyer.

Congrats to Brian. I'm surprised they didn't go with Mallett. I was impressed with his play vs the Browns last year. I wonder if he's one of those "million dollar arm, ten cent head" guys? Too bad for Hoyer that Arian Foster is probably out for the year, although Alfred Blue is a pretty good backup. Hoyer needs a good running game to be successful, imo.

Good for him.....would have liked to see him been able to make it here with him being a local kid but it is what it is.

Good for him... Hope he does well, unless it affects us.. then I hope he tanks..

Good for Brian!