DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Ryan Mallett vs. Brian Hoyer: Both quarterbacks impressive in first practice against Redskins

Is it wrong that a small part of me hopes he doesn't light it up because we'd look pretty damn stupid?

Good for you Brian. Wish you all the best.

I understand that sentiment... but what needs to be realized... success / failure somewhere else does not necessarily mean success/ failure here... the dynamics are different from one team to another.... schemes, coaches, defenses, opponents, luck etc.

Yeah I get that, Texas. To be honest I'd be 99 per cent glad for him if he succeeds there.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm, saying that you tried to use examples that simply doesn't apply to the Browns. You used Rodgers as an example. The Packers had Brett Favre at QB when they drafted Rodgers. That in no way resembles the Browns QB situation.

You used Brees as your second example. He started in year two and played all 16 games. That doesn't appear to be anywhere close to where we are with JFF. So it's more the examples you used in your post that I took exception with.

I don't believe that in our situation you "plan" on drafting a QB that will take three years to become a starter. That just doesn't make sense to me. When you've been through 20+ QB's in 15 years, your goal should be to draft the most ready QB available to make you competitive. When we see this FO plug in band aid wannabe's at QB year after year, surely our fan base can't buy into that being the plan all along. That's my point.

I believe drafting a developmental QB is a great strategy, when you have a QB. That's simply not the Browns. One has to consider where your team is when making such decisions. If we enter next season not knowing for sure of JFF is worthy of being a quality starter and he fails at it, how long do you think Pettine and Farmer will keep their jobs?

NFL stands for "Not For Long" if you don't succeed.

I don't make the news, I just report it.

All this tells me is that Mallett is terrible.

But, it wasn't all that long ago some on here were saying "let's get Mallet. Tall, big, huge arm......let's get Mallet". Yet, here he apparently got beat out by the qb we threw away because we wanted to see what Johnny had.........and we replaced him with another "career backup".

Who knows, Hoyer may stink it up down in Texas. But, as of now, he's a starter.

Sometimes it takes patience, and that's one thing the Browns haven't had as far as qb's, OC's, head coaches, etc.


Heck, we see it now with McCown and Manziel. After the first p.s. game, most were "okay, well, Josh seems to be semi decent, and Manziel has matured. We'll be okay, not great, but okay in the right circumstances" and after p.s. game 2, most were/are ready to toss McCown to the wolves and start Manziel "because McCown sucks, and we have to see what we have with Johnny."

Patience. I hope we have it - with the coaches, with the gm, and with Manziel. Let's give the people a CHANCE!

Hoyer had one of the worst stretches of QBing ever and the worst interception rate in the league. If Mallett can't beat him out that just means Mallett is bad. It doesn't mean that Hoyer is good. Hoyer is basically McCown, but with less experience.

I didn't say Hoyer was good. What I said was "Hoyer beat out the guy many Browns fans wanted to go after."

'Brian Hoyer reportedly named Houston Texans' starting quarterback'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/brian_hoyer_named_houston_texa.html#incart_river

Wow! ....Well, I guess good for him.... I wish him well.

Right. I'm saying they all suck.

(Just for the record, I didn't want anything to do with Mallett.)

I was one of those guys. And I would still take Mallett over Hoyer, MCCown and JFF. With the caveat that his shoulder is healthy (which is what I said from the beginning, he also needs a good background check)).

I think O'Brien has some pre-biases for Hoyer (or less likely against Mallet)

Personally, I would call Houston to see if they would trade Mallet to us. Though I have no doubts that this is not on Farmer's agenda.

No way to know how good (or bad) Mallet will be until he gets significant on the field time. But I have the utmost confidence that given ample playing time this year, Mallet will perform Hoyer.

That is one of the worst thing you can say about a QB. I guess saying he will perform Gabbert or Leaf is worse.

I'm a bit shocked by this....I also have an inexplicable hatred for Hoyer which could be clouding my judgement.

Still rather have Mallett over our clowns.

Sessler's letter to Browns: Trade for Mettenberger

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It's probably that Colts game.

Not directed to you, but Sessler.

Why?

I saw Mallet performing Hoyer at this little off broadway theater.

Guess I forgot the better than. Oops.

JMHO, this is Browns board, who cares about how Texans are doing...do we play them...NO...GO Browns!!!!

If the Browns looking stupid bothers you you're following the wrong team. Looking stupid is thier damned mission statement.

All in all, good luck to Brian. The battle situation there is probably easier on him not dealing with all the hype, media and questions regarding the second string Qb. Less pressure and stress.

With that said, I wonder how long before he starts launching balls into triple coverage, starts throwing off his back foot when there's zero pressure and etc we witnessed here with Brian. The second he starts to play bad and strings together a few horrible plays, he'll break mentally again, just like he did here.

IMO, Hoyer will always be backup material. I still wish the man nothing but the best.

Hoyer's success or otherwise on another team doesn't translate to him being as successful here.... but I agree that there would be a bunch of fans who would blast the FO. . . many of them would be fans who had previously been blasting Hoyer and calling for JM to start last year.

I wonder how many of the posters on this board who were so hot for Mallet and who have blasted the FO for not acquiring him want to eat some crow now Hoyer beat him out?

Wonder how many posters here will eat some crow if McCown/JM win as many games or more games than Hoyer (and Mallet)?

I wish Hoyer all the best. I liked him and thought he had games where he was very good.

I would have brought in mallet but I also was weary due to the injury he suffered last year. Serious injury to throwing arm is never a good thing.

Because many on here thought that under the right circumstances, Hoyer could be a viable option. We allowed Hoyer to walk and if he succeeds with the Texans and we still haven't found a our quarterback, our administration still looks like bumbling fool's. That situation also sets our organization back.

With JM looking over his shoulder it was not the right situation for BH. He probably is much more relaxed in Houston and has a clear head. I think given the circumstances he is more likely to be successful there than here. It would be hard for most qb's to be successful with JM behind you and all the hype that goes with it.

Yeah maybe but if that "distraction" makes you miss wide open receivers and play like crap, maybe the issue is you.

Manziel would take the starting spot away from Mallet or Hoyer if they were on the same team right now.

I think if you could view JM in a vacuum , right now, without the baggage and other crap from last year...that gives one pause for concern.... most would want him to be starting.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...tn_hoyermallett

Hoyer gets the start figures!!

I wish Brian well, but man, he looked HORRIBLE in the last few games of the 2014 season.

It will be interesting to see when Hoyer starts his meltdown this year. Hopefully, he won't, but I will be shocked if he lasts 16 games.

Even I wouldn't blast "Text" for letting him walk, but I will continue to blast "Text" for not going after Mallett or Glenn.

Glenn will be starting for someone next year.

Sorry for my ignorance but who is Glenn?

Glennon?

Probably not as soon as McCown does.

What a hurtful post you only posted that because you wanted to hurt people who like McCown. You are the worst type of poster there is You only like Hoyer because he was a Lombardi pic and hate McCown because he was a Farmer pic regime wars!

J/C

The book was out on Hoyer once the running game got stopped. I wish him well in Houston, but all the keyboard warrioring over someone who doesn't play here anymore seems absolutely fruitless discussion.

Go root for Houston.

My mistake...Mike Glennon - Tampa Bay.

I can see the conversation. Pet "You got to get me that QB down there in tampa. I am more impressed with him everytime I see him out there."

Farmer "I'll get right on it, I like him to"

Next Day
Farmer" I have great news I just signed your QB."
Pet "Glennon is gonna be a great fit for this offense"
Farmer "I signed McCown to a 3 year deal"

Ryan Mallett disagrees with Texans' choice of Hoyer
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Ryan Mallett lost the Houston Texans' starting quarterback job to Brian Hoyer, but that doesn't mean we won't see him on the field this season.

A dejected Mallett spoke to the media Tuesday morning and said he plans to stay ready if called upon.

"Obviously I'm disappointed and I don't agree with it but I'll be ready," the signal-caller said, via the Houston Chronicle.

Adding: "We played four quarterbacks last year. So, I'll do what I have to do to better the team."

Mallet admitted he was frustrated Bill O'Brien named Hoyer the starter.

"I don't know what else to do except work my ass off. I don't look at it as a setback. I thought I did enough to win the job," he said.

Mallett was unimpressive in his two preseason opportunities and didn't show coaches enough in practice to leap Hoyer for the starting gig.

"He disagrees (with the decision), but he's going to go to work and prepare like he's going to play, and that's what he's done," O'Brien said.

The truth is that Hoyer and Mallett were always both likely to play at some point this season. Hoyer just gets the first crack.

"I'm going to prepare like I'm starting every Sunday," Mallett said. "I can't let the team down when my number is called."