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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You are right. He bombed in Arizona, but he has played well in Carolina. Some say he has moved the team much better than Cam.


If that's the case they probably won't trade him to us. Let's offer a fourth round pick for Cam and see what they say!

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DA did a lot of good things eight years ago, but he was horrible in medium/and short throws - not just bad but out and out brutally bad - and he DID crap the bed in Cincy...I remember it well.


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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
DA did a lot of good things eight years ago, but he was horrible in medium/and short throws - not just bad but out and out brutally bad - and he DID crap the bed in Cincy...I remember it well.


Damn auto spellcheck !


was it 30 to 0?


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I think we were down 20-0 at the half. DA threw a bonehead pick-6 and another stupid pick they took to our 5 or something and punched it in right before the half. Only going by memory though


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I think the reason for DA's failure in 2008 was three-fold:

1. The fans and media whined, complained, stomped their feet, threatened to petition the game, etc if BQ did not supplant DA as the starter despite DA making the Pro Bowl.

2. We lost a ton of key personnel that year.

3. DA was a physically tough guy, but emotionally weak and could not handle the criticism.


Didn't he also get injured in the preseason that year? Was that the year we lost so many in the Bears game? (I'm too lazy right now to look it up). Seems to me he started the regular season returning from a concussion. Also, I think Edwards cut his foot running barefoot at practice.

If none of that is accurate I apologize.


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Why would you think that?

The NFL is an Entertainment industry.

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Yeah, he got injured in preseason that year. That was the year Stallworth stepped on Leon's foot while the latter was running conditioning drills barefoot.

We can't make this stuff up.

Ryan Tucker was also lost. Stallworth tore a quad or something like that. Joe J. was lost for the year. K2 missed almost half the year. Jamal Lewis tore his hamstring in camp and it bothered him for the first half of the year. Cribbs had an ankle injury. Robaire Smith was hurt. DA, BQ, and Dorsey all were injured and lost for the year. Sean Jones missed a bunch of time.

Anyone remember Camp Cupcake?

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And after all those injuries to starters and going to their 4th QB to end the season, the regime gets fired for not winning.

I thought then that if they could have come back healthy the next season with the same regime they might have done something.


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Why would you think that?

The NFL is an Entertainment industry.


I don't think that. But there are many on here who do.

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Anyone remember Camp Cupcake?


Hard to forget when we are currently witnessing it.

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Ahhhh...........I remember now. You had that pic of RAC pointing a finger at us.........and what did you have him saying? Dang.........I usually have a good memory. I see the pic. Can't remember the words. Something about watching us????

I forgot that you really like RAC.

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It said, "I'm watching the board".

I like all the coaches. My best friend calls me a "coach lover".

For me, I learned a long time ago that I enjoy the season better if I buy into the what the coaching staff is selling. Even if I don't agree with what they're doing I try to understand what they're doing rather than dog on them because I don't like it.

My football IQ isn't high enough to question too much. Typically, when I disagree I just don't voice it.

The only exception was Mangini. I felt he had no people skills and stood on the sidelines with the look of a disgruntled old woman who claimed no responsibility for what was happening on the field. (Please lets not get into Mangini too much that's a whole can o' worms I'd rather not open).


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For the most part, I do the same. It was very hard with RAC and Shurmer, though.


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DA? Oh my goodness no...back to DA??? willynilly

He failed in 2008 but he also failed in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 & 2014. He's a journey man Back up like You know who...

As for the never had this OL...actually in 2007 was the cleanest QB we ever had as it was a season we faced many with no pass rush at all. But with time he still couldn't hit short passes...below 50% was his completion percentage on short passes.

Come on...I'll put DA up in the category of mediocre, Journey man, bridge QBs that are out there. Hoyer and McCown included.

But for this offense it seems that McCown is the better fit. What exactly does that mean? I don't know..hopefully 2-3 more wins than the others.

But that 2007 DA QB some feel exists. He's actually I think better than that QB and he can't get himself a starting job somewhere.

PBlack...I love when you think you post something witty and smart and yes it is funny but not for the reasons you think. DA and time would not have him hit the short routes any better. Time was never the issue, moving laterally and his terrible accuracy on 10 yards or less did him in.

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He's not through with football just yet but his days are numbered if he can't beat out the likes of Hoyer


are you talking about johnny? rofl rofl rofl


Got some news for you, Hoyer was a cancer...Hoyer a 6 yr vet was handed the starting role over a rookie by default and still lost his job. Then he wouldn't mentor the other QB's and walked away with his panties in a wad.


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He's not through with football just yet but his days are numbered if he can't beat out the likes of Hoyer


are you talking about johnny? rofl rofl rofl


Got some news for you, Hoyer was a cancer...Hoyer a 6 yr vet was handed the starting role over a rookie by default and still lost his job. Then he wouldn't mentor the other QB's and walked away with his panties in a wad.


i got news for you. i would have nothing to do with a lazy drug addict either.


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Originally Posted By: pblack18707

i got news for you. i would have nothing to do with a lazy drug addict either.


I've seen you post many times after you've had a few to many...at least he sought help will you?

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i got news for you. i would have nothing to do with a lazy drug addict either.


I've seen you post many times after you've had a few to many...at least he sought help will you?


why? want to help me?


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why? want to help me?


Sure I would would be happy to give you numbers of rehab centers in your area. It's really nothing to joke about.

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He's not through with football just yet but his days are numbered if he can't beat out the likes of Hoyer


are you talking about johnny? rofl rofl rofl


Got some news for you, Hoyer was a cancer...Hoyer a 6 yr vet was handed the starting role over a rookie by default and still lost his job. Then he wouldn't mentor the other QB's and walked away with his panties in a wad.


i got news for you. i would have nothing to do with a lazy drug addict either.


Are you talking about Josh Gordon? rofl rofl rofl


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
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He's not through with football just yet but his days are numbered if he can't beat out the likes of Hoyer


are you talking about johnny? rofl rofl rofl


Got some news for you, Hoyer was a cancer...Hoyer a 6 yr vet was handed the starting role over a rookie by default and still lost his job. Then he wouldn't mentor the other QB's and walked away with his panties in a wad.


i got news for you. i would have nothing to do with a lazy drug addict either.


Are you talking about Josh Gordon? rofl rofl rofl


yea him too.


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P I know you are joking around and busting chops but Don't you think Manziel has turned the corner enough to not be refered to as a Drug addict and lazy. I thought its pretty evident he has never been suspended he put himself into rehab for 3 months. He has worked hard - first guy here and last to leave stuff to at least earn the right to NIX statements like Lazy.

??? Don't you?


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P I know you are joking around and busting chops but Don't you think Manziel has turned the corner enough to not be refered to as a Drug addict and lazy. I thought its pretty evident he has never been suspended he put himself into rehab for 3 months. He has worked hard - first guy here and last to leave stuff to at least earn the right to NIX statements like Lazy.

??? Don't you?


i said last year. and i am not joking one bit. that is what he was last year. hey i said i think he should be starting. he is doing all the right things THIS year. i still dont think he will be the answer but he has a better shot at it than anyone else on the roster except maybe pryor....


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P I know you are joking around and busting chops but Don't you think Manziel has turned the corner enough to not be refered to as a Drug addict and lazy. I thought its pretty evident he has never been suspended he put himself into rehab for 3 months. He has worked hard - first guy here and last to leave stuff to at least earn the right to NIX statements like Lazy.

??? Don't you?


i said last year.


Last year LOL.. And after watching Hoyer's stellar QB play, it drove me to drink as well.

But all joking aside none of our QB's did very well after Mack went down exposing our Oline to weaknesses.

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Last year...ok thanks big difference in my mind from what you said.

Maybe not as strong words that you use (to the extreme) but shoot yeah he was a major disappointment with his partying priority and his major lack of effort to work hard and get better.

He seemed like a kid who for the first time didn't have to answer to an adult and he just got his license to legally drink. Not that he didn't drink before that. But a little more cautious about it cause of the law.

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DA? Oh my goodness no...back to DA??? willynilly

He failed in 2008 but he also failed in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 & 2014. He's a journey man Back up like You know who...

As for the never had this OL...actually in 2007 was the cleanest QB we ever had as it was a season we faced many with no pass rush at all. But with time he still couldn't hit short passes...below 50% was his completion percentage on short passes.

Come on...I'll put DA up in the category of mediocre, Journey man, bridge QBs that are out there. Hoyer and McCown included.

But for this offense it seems that McCown is the better fit. What exactly does that mean? I don't know..hopefully 2-3 more wins than the others.

But that 2007 DA QB some feel exists. He's actually I think better than that QB and he can't get himself a starting job somewhere.

PBlack...I love when you think you post something witty and smart and yes it is funny but not for the reasons you think. DA and time would not have him hit the short routes any better. Time was never the issue, moving laterally and his terrible accuracy on 10 yards or less did him in.

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That was one of the dumbest posts I have EVER read.

You start off by acting like I am crazy by saying DA is better than McCown. What????

You then present false information about him failing in every year since. That is not true. He has played well in Carolina when he has gotten a chance. Look it up.

How is McCown a better fit for this offense? You don't even know our offense. How the hell is he a better fit when we don't know what the hell we are really running? You just made that crap up.

The 2007 line was better than this one???? You just got caught in a LIE!!!!! How many times was Frye sacked in game one? How did the line do the year before? Did Joe T address how much better it was for the OL w/DA at the QB than the previous QBs or not? Don't you dare lie. Wasn't it common knowledge that DA's getting rid of the ball early made the OL look better than the guys who held it too long?

You had a better chance of me ignoring your comments if you would not have included your first line............like I am the silly one.

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How is McCown a better fit for this offense? You don't even know our offense. How the hell is he a better fit when we don't know what the hell we are really running? You just made that crap up.


So, you admit you don't know the offense either? Or are you saying you know the offense, and McCown doesn't fit?

If you don't know the offense, as you claim others don't, you might want to tone it down a bit? If you DO know the offense, aside from all your "we should've gotten Teddy" stuff, what would you do?

And if you still have me on ignore, I hope someone quotes this so you can see it. Sorry bud, just because someone disagrees with doesn't mean they are ganging up on you. I know you are a teacher and you are used to getting your way, instantly. But this isn't a classroom, and you aren't our teacher. You have opinions, as do others.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog

How is McCown a better fit for this offense? You don't even know our offense. How the hell is he a better fit when we don't know what the hell we are really running? You just made that crap up.


So, you admit you don't know the offense either? Or are you saying you know the offense, and McCown doesn't fit?

If you don't know the offense, as you claim others don't, you might want to tone it down a bit? If you DO know the offense, aside from all your "we should've gotten Teddy" stuff, what would you do?

And if you still have me on ignore, I hope someone quotes this so you can see it. Sorry bud, just because someone disagrees with doesn't mean they are ganging up on you. I know you are a teacher and you are used to getting your way, instantly. But this isn't a classroom, and you aren't our teacher. You have opinions, as do others.

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Ryan Mallett missed practice because he overslept

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Maybe Ryan Mallett hit the snooze alarm for an extra five and it never came back. Or maybe he messed up the AM/PM. Or maybe there was a separate knob for the radio alarm.

Whatever the reason, Mallett overslept today and missed practice, the Houston Chronicle reports. The Texans had previously confirmed that Mallett missed practice but refused to say why.

That doesn’t reflect well on Mallett, who lost the Texans’ quarterback competition to Brian Hoyer this week and took it hard. If Mallett ever wants to convince coach Bill O’Brien that he deserves to start, missing practice isn’t the way to do it.

There have been reports about Mallett lacking maturity going back to his college days, and his failure to get to work on time today won’t do anything to change the perception that he’s just not ready to lead an NFL team.

In the future, perhaps Mallett should arrange for a wakeup call. And try not to offend the wakeup guy.


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Not helping his chances. If he's sour about losing the job, he should go back and watch Hoyer tape toward the middle to end of last season. That'll, or should anyway, give him the confidence boost that he can take away the job.

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That was one of the dumbest posts I have EVER read.

I thought one of my best! wink

You start off by acting like I am crazy by saying DA is better than McCown. What????

Why you cannot ASSume. My willynilly was to the discussion reverting back to DA which it did. NOT YOU THE DISCUSSION about a QB long gone.

You then present false information about him failing in every year since. That is not true. He has played well in Carolina when he has gotten a chance. Look it up.

Please have a difference of opinion - Stop calling me a LIAR when mine is different. Again I took a broad brush as in the kid went from a PRO-Bowl invited QB...btw one of the worst displays of a Pro Bowler in the history of the game...lol. To a Journeyman Back Up.

My designation of Failure was to the process of him being a #2 QB.

Also note, I classed him in the same regard that I hold McCown to and Hoyer, Journey Men Backups which for QBs who wish to be a starter is a failure.


How is McCown a better fit for this offense? You don't even know our offense. How the hell is he a better fit when we don't know what the hell we are really running? You just made that crap up.

Just because you are ignorant on a subject this doesn't mean others are MAKING CRAP UP...again you call me a liar. Instead of Pining and Whining for the Loss of Banner and Shanny...I actually tried to study some of the beliefs and characteristics of our offense.

I will not go through all my studies but I'll mention a few so that your claims of making up crap is just your terrible attempt to win a discussion. You fear the Homer...lol laugh

One of the first interview of Flip he talked about passing the ball as a run - West Coast philosophy style.

Of course this was personified in Oakland - Not Flips O but definitely influence and would present his version of it.

When we signed McCown it was stated as "PERFECT" fit because we were looking to run a similar offense that was in Chicago.

Reading about Flacco in Balt. There is skepticism if he can manage the multiple short patterns cause that is not his strong suit - Who is the new OC with the new O in Balt. Trestman the guy who orchestrated the O in Chicago.

Now let me see. who would be a better suited QB for that kind of High Percentage Pass WCO with some personalized twists. Vertical game etc. But if the short passes don't fly it will not work...Oh lets get DA who when he was starting with us his largest body of work as a starter. Was less than 50% while the rest of the NFL is throwing well over 70% on those 10 yards or less passes. Why yes, Vers' guy DA is much much better suited. thumbsdown

Just because my posts are too challenging for you to defend...How DARE you state I'm MAKING CRAP UP.

1. I actually know what I'm talking about.
2. I'm not going to waste my time with BS stats. I know what I know. If it is Incorrect don't call my a liar, PROVE IT.

you call out how many posters to prove things. Well prove that I'm making UP CRAP. I ain't no monkey throwing feces on the wall looking for what sticks.

I actually know football, I read and I remember things that I feel are important that I hear or read quoted.

That is how I know what kind of Offense - and I also look at what we run so far which is a very vanilla basic part of our O. We will be (my educated guess) is a Vertical stretch WCO - that will utilize our RBs in a lot of underneath routes. We will also attempt to stretch the field Horizontal with our running game...more influenced I believe by PET than Flip. I will of course see what happens during the course of the game. And reconfigure my evaluation of what we will do.

So stop calling me a liar. Maybe you should actually step back and see if I am making this up and actually STUDY our O instead of spending useless time trying to convince all that Farmer is an idiot and that Flip is nothing and we lost the best offensive mind of our time in Shanny.

Me - he's gone - Move on Ok who is this Flip guy and what is he doing about our O. So if it ain't a VERS thought, Its Made Up Crap. Please don't insult me, Brother wink


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Ryan Mallett missed practice because he overslept

by Michael David Smith
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Maybe Ryan Mallett hit the snooze alarm for an extra five and it never came back. Or maybe he messed up the AM/PM. Or maybe there was a separate knob for the radio alarm.

Whatever the reason, Mallett overslept today and missed practice, the Houston Chronicle reports. The Texans had previously confirmed that Mallett missed practice but refused to say why.

That doesn’t reflect well on Mallett, who lost the Texans’ quarterback competition to Brian Hoyer this week and took it hard. If Mallett ever wants to convince coach Bill O’Brien that he deserves to start, missing practice isn’t the way to do it.

There have been reports about Mallett lacking maturity going back to his college days, and his failure to get to work on time today won’t do anything to change the perception that he’s just not ready to lead an NFL team.

In the future, perhaps Mallett should arrange for a wakeup call. And try not to offend the wakeup guy.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/27/ryan-mallett-missed-practice-because-he-overslept/


Funny how some players react when getting beat out by an inferior player. rolleyesdevil


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Its also funny how some coaches react when a player misses a practice because they overslept. Mallett is practicing today with the 3rd team offense. Tom Savage moved up to 2nd team. That's what happens when your coach tells you to "stay ready" and you respond by blowing off practice the next day.

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Think we can trade Shaw for Mallet? wink


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Think we can trade Shaw for Mallet? wink


Might be worth a phone call, but I'm starting to wonder if Mallett's a bigger knucklehead than I realized. I had heard and read some non-specific reports that he had some attitude issues, but his reaction to losing the QB competition in Houston was very immature.

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Its all Hoyer's doing...lol laugh

After he won the Starting QB job...Hoyer gave Mallet a Book written by Johnny Manziel - HOW TO BE A BACK UP QB TO BRIAN HOYER!

Well I see he read Chapter One - "Act Like you don't give a crap"



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Think we can trade Shaw for Mallet? wink


Make it so... we have to have one head case on the roster. rolleyesdevil


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Its all Hoyer's doing...lol laugh

After he won the Starting QB job...Hoyer gave Mallet a Book written by Johnny Manziel - HOW TO BE A BACK UP QB TO BRIAN HOYER!

Well I see he read Chapter One - "Act Like you don't give a crap"



Chapter 2 is coming in as the backup and showing signs of brilliance. Chapter 3 is tanking the next 3 starts. Chapter 4 is sleeping in late and missing practice. Oh Wait... Mallet skipped ahead of class. tongue


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Originally Posted By: Dave
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Think we can trade Shaw for Mallet? wink


Might be worth a phone call, but I'm starting to wonder if Mallett's a bigger knucklehead than I realized. I had heard and read some non-specific reports that he had some attitude issues, but his reaction to losing the QB competition in Houston was very immature.


Didn't we have to send security to pick up an over-sleeping qb last year?


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