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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
yes only 6 OL right now.

McDonald's agent tweeted that he'll be back on the 53 in a short time though. So we'll be fluctuating the numbers of WRs/RBs/DBs I'd assume


working to move west to make room?


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Whaddayaknow? All the P&M ing over keeping Mayle and cutting Lenz was for not...didn't happen.

I am shocked that all 3 of Moore, Bademosi, & Carder made the team...shocked...really.

IMO:

James > Bademosi

Pullard > Carder

Lenz > Moore

I would think that at least ONE of those guys would beat out the ST stalwarts.

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Looks like we're really, really expecting to be low scoring, ball control, field position oriented.

We already all assumed that, but keeping that many STs is pretty rare IMO. 1 maybe 2 guys is okay, but to designate 3 gameday spots to STs is a large number


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yes only 6 OL right now.

McDonald's agent tweeted that he'll be back on the 53 in a short time though. So we'll be fluctuating the numbers of WRs/RBs/DBs I'd assume


working to move west to make room?


There is no chance we go with only 2 RB.

We have 27 of 53 players on defense. Maybe the team is working on a trade with one of our DB. Who knows? If my name if Winn, Carder, Housler, or Bibbs, I am not comfortable yet.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Looks like we're really, really expecting to be low scoring, ball control, field position oriented.

We already all assumed that, but keeping that many STs is pretty rare IMO. 1 maybe 2 guys is okay, but to designate 3 gameday spots to STs is a large number


I'm going to guess we trade one for a 7th - that's a position that teams will be looking for this time of year, easy to integrate special teams aces into your squad.


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Cleveland Browns General Manager Ray Farmer announced the following roster moves this afternoon:

Waived:

OL Karim Barton

QB Pat Devlin

RB Shaun Draughn

DB Landon Feichter

RB Tim Flanders

DB Kendall James

WR Darrius Jennings

OL Erle Ladson

WR Josh Lenz

WR Vince Mayle

DL Jacobbi McDaniel

OL Andrew McDonald

OL Darrian Miller

DB Robert Nelson Jr.

OL Vinston Painter

LB Hayes Pullard III

DB Joe Rankin

LB Mike Reilly

DB De’Ante Saunders

DL Dylan Wynn

Contract Terminated:

QB Thaddeus Lewis

OL Eric Olsen


only two surprises for me.. Mayle being waived and Lenz being waived.

Mayle, because he's a draft pick this year... I'd have wondered if they'd have given him more time given he couldn't do much in the spring due to injury.

Lenz because that kid lit it up.. put a ball anywhere near him and he seemed to come down with it.

Anyway, I am hopeful Lenz ends up on the PS if he's eligible and maybe even Mayle.


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I didnt want Lenz to be cut but the big surprise for me was Pullard. I thought he showed an intelligence and feel for the position that was years ahead of where he should be. This kid gets a little stronger and he could be a star in this league.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Pullard gone too ... all the STs aces make it


We will be punting a lot. While I would have liked to keep Pullard, I understand keeping the special teams guys over him.

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I didnt want Lenz to be cut but the big surprise for me was Pullard. I thought he showed an intelligence and feel for the position that was years ahead of where he should be. This kid gets a little stronger and he could be a star in this league.


Hopefully we can get him on the practice squad. My only concern with Pullard is he looked a little slow in space. Not sure if that was a measurable or thinking too much issue, though.


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I understand the importance of ST , But keeping all three ( bademosi, carder and moore ) really sucks !

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I wanted Lenz. I agree that Pullard was looking special, more than a flash or two there and has upside IMO. Guess he can't ride a bike.


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This kind of reminds me of the hoopla over CJ Jones a few years ago. Had big preseason games against other team's scrubs. We let him go and he never made the big time.


Yep, That kind of thing happens every year on here.


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It looks like we're going to try a Woody Hayes model this season. We have probably the worst QB and WR situation in the league, so it's an understandable approach, but I don't see the horses to run it. We would need to have a bruising run game and get to the QB with high frequency, neither of which I see on the horizon. We're an o-line injury away from being bottom dwellers.

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Lets see ; Jamie Meder played the scrubs , Bowe played all of one game , against the scrubs , Pryor never hit the field , Badamosi got beat like a drum every time he played as a DB ( OH YEA AGAINST SCRUBS ) Carder play against the who ? yep scrubs .. Moore did what in pre season ? Guys I could go on and on .. Lenz didn't make it because some else did .. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision , and one that seems not to sit to well with some on the team ( who no more about stuff than we do ) Wonder about Team unity ?

I just hope the Kid catch's on with another Team and gets a shot !

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Yea Bowe had one catch in 5 quarters against those scrubs that Lenz was lighting up.

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To be fair, Lewis and Devlin didn't really get the ball to anyone/ have time to get the ball to anyone that last game.

Bowe's the only one of our top 5 receivers I might take Lenz over. McCown does best with big receivers. Supposedly Bowe looked good in practice early. Let's see how it goes when they count before getting too upset.


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Originally Posted By: Mourgrym
Yea Bowe had one catch in 5 quarters against those scrubs that Lenz was lighting up.


He also only had two ball thrown his way, and only one of which was catchable. Why make it sound like Lenz outplayed him? I'm not a huge Bowe fan this late in his career, but keeping him over Lenz is a no brainier. We need some size and experience on the outside. Lenz was a nice surprise, but is a numbers casualty. I don't understand all the whining.


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I got to think one of the tight ends is cut within the next few days to make room for an extra offensive linemen.

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We only have ONE backup offensive lineman. That is just sheer stupidity and a recipe for disaster...


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Originally Posted By: GrimmBrown
To be fair, Lewis and Devlin didn't really get the ball to anyone/ have time to get the ball to anyone that last game.

Bowe's the only one of our top 5 receivers I might take Lenz over. McCown does best with big receivers. Supposedly Bowe looked good in practice early. Let's see how it goes when they count before getting too upset.


you mean couldnt get the ball to anyone not named lenz right?


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Mike Pettine analyzes Cleveland Browns 53-man roster

Posted 7 minutes ago

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Browns coach feels good about depth, roster still fluid

The Browns on Saturday took the next big step toward their 2015 season opener against the New York Jets by reducing the roster from 75 players to the NFL-mandated 53.

The Browns terminated the contracts of two veterans: OL Eric Olsen and QB Thaddeus Lewis.

Cleveland waived 20 others: QB Pat Devlin, RB Shaun Draughn, RB Timothy Flanders, WR Darius Jennings, WR Josh Lenz, WR Vince Mayle, OL Andrew McDonald, OL Erle Ladson, OL Vinston Painter, OL Karim Barton, OL Darrian Miller, DL Dylan Wynn, DL Jacobbi McDaniel, LB Mike Reilly, DB Kendall James, DB Robert Nelson, DB Joe Rankin, LB Hayes Pullard, DB De’Ante Saunders and DB Landon Feichter.

“Some of the discussions at the 75 cut were difficult. We knew it was going to be some tough choices that had to be made at the 53. We were right,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said. “There were lengthy discussions. It was not cut and dry. A lot of variables went into it. Still, even now past the deadline, the situation is still very fluid.”



Areas of note within the 53-man roster:
-- The Browns’ roster boasts seven wide receivers, a two-man jump from the five that were initially kept last season. Three of the seven are new additions to the roster.

“We felt that was a spot we needed to add to and were fortunate in the offseason to be able to take a group we already felt good about in Hawk, Gabe and Travis and add a Dwayne Bowe and a Brian Hartline to that mix,” Pettine said. “It was a group we felt we needed to improve our quality and our depth and we were able to do that.”

-- Bibbs (Iowa State) was the only undrafted rookie to make the 53-man roster. He had an impressive showing at the Browns’ rookie mini-camp and maintained that high level of play throughout OTAs and into training camp to give the Browns no other choice but to keep him on the roster alongside three veteran tight ends.

“That whole group top to bottom did a really good job in camp,” Pettine said. “Brian Angelichio is an outstanding position coach. I think Gary's very underrated as a starting tight end. I think everybody kind of has their own niche as far as what they do well. I like the depth in that room and the diversity of the skill sets.”

-- The Browns defensive line includes two standout rookies in Shelton and Cooper and Meder, a Parma Heights native who saw his first NFL action in last season’s regular season finale at Baltimore. He entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent out of Ashland University.

“That was big with Meder stepping up. That's like found money,” Pettine said. “He’s a guy that was undrafted a year ago that we were able to add mid-season and then for him to step up and have the offseason he had and make a big jump, that was impressive. You add that to our rookie class with Danny and Xavier and then add veterans like Starks. Desmond had one of his better offseasons -- he seems primed to have a big year -- and the versatility of an Armonty Bryant that can swing back and forth between outside linebacker and defensive line, that gives you more depth there. We feel much better about that room.”

-- One year after keeping 12 defensive backs on the original 53-man roster, Cleveland stuck with 11 it knows it can count upon in a defense that expects to utilize graduate-level concepts under second-year defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil.

“We're always going to start from the back end, especially at the corner spot first and build from the outside in,” Pettine said. “We have a group that we were fortunate to be able to add a quality veteran in Tramon Williams and outside of Gaines, we feel that group is close to being healthy. We like the key veterans and combine it with quality youth. It's another room where we feel like we have a lot of different types of players in that room.”

-- Of the Browns’ 12 picks in the 2015 draft, eight are on the 53-man roster. TE Randall Telfer(USC) and CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Oregon) were recently placed on the reserve/non-football injury list.

“We knew there were going to be some tough decisions because of the number of guys we brought in,” Pettine said. “I think this draft class will be a cornerstone of hopefully our success moving forward. You start right at the top. We think the world of Danny. Cam's going to be a good player for us for a long time. You can pretty much go right down the list.”

Over the next 24 hours, Cleveland will compose its 10-man practice squad and monitor transactions around the league to insure the team will have its best possible roster next Sunday against the Jets.

“Obviously the roster is still fluid, but I don't see us being extremely active in that market,” Pettine said. “With the depth we were able to bring in and develop, we feel virtually every position we have enough or more than enough NFL quality guys. It's a critical time but I just don't see us being really active.”

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two biggest mistakes i think was keeping Carder over Pullard and bademosi over just about anyone with a pulse, the rest I think were about par. I still think west is gone and I think one of the TE's are gone


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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
We only have ONE backup offensive lineman. That is just sheer stupidity and a recipe for disaster...


I know! And we can't even make any roster moves the rest of the season!

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Comments from Pettine on the cuts:

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The Browns on Saturday took the next big step toward their 2015 season opener against the New York Jets by reducing the roster from 75 players to the NFL-mandated 53.

The Browns terminated the contracts of two veterans: OL Eric Olsen and QB Thaddeus Lewis.

Cleveland waived 20 others: QB Pat Devlin, RB Shaun Draughn, RB Timothy Flanders, WR Darius Jennings, WR Josh Lenz, WR Vince Mayle, OL Andrew McDonald, OL Erle Ladson, OL Vinston Painter, OL Karim Barton, OL Darrian Miller, DL Dylan Wynn, DL Jacobbi McDaniel, LB Mike Reilly, DB Kendall James, DB Robert Nelson, DB Joe Rankin, LB Hayes Pullard, DB De’Ante Saunders and DB Landon Feichter.

“Some of the discussions at the 75 cut were difficult. We knew it was going to be some tough choices that had to be made at the 53. We were right,” Browns coach Mike Pettine said. “There were lengthy discussions. It was not cut and dry. A lot of variables went into it. Still, even now past the deadline, the situation is still very fluid.”

The Browns’ 53-man roster breaks down as follows:

Offense (23)

Quarterbacks (2): Johnny Manziel; Josh McCown; running backs (3): Isaiah Crowell, Terrance West, Duke Johnson Jr.; fullback (1): Malcolm Johnson; wide receivers (7): Travis Benjamin, Dwayne Bowe, Taylor Gabriel, Brian Hartline, Andrew Hawkins, Marlon Moore, Terrelle Pryor; tight ends (4): Gary Barnidge, E.J. Bibbs, Jim Dray, Rob Housler; offensive linemen (6): Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, John Greco, Mitchell Schwartz, Joel Bitonio, Cameron Erving

Defense (27)

Defensive linemen (8): Desmond Bryant, Armonty Bryant, Xavier Cooper, John Hughes III, Danny Shelton, Jamie Meder, Randy Starks, Billy Winn; linebackers (8): Tank Carder, Karlos Dansby, Chris Kirksey, Paul Kruger, Barkevious Mingo, Nate Orchard, Craig Robertson, Scott Solomon; defensive backs (11): Johnson Bademosi, Ibraheim Campbell, Pierre Desir, Charles Gaines, Justin Gilbert, Tashaun Gipson, Joe Haden, Jordan Poyer, K’Waun Williams, Tramon Williams, Donte Whitner.

Specialists (3)

Kicker (1): Travis Coons; punter (1): Andy Lee; long snapper (1): Charley Hughlett.

Areas of note within the 53-man roster:

-- The Browns’ roster boasts seven wide receivers, a two-man jump from the five that were initially kept last season. Three of the seven are new additions to the roster.

“We felt that was a spot we needed to add to and were fortunate in the offseason to be able to take a group we already felt good about in Hawk, Gabe and Travis and add a Dwayne Bowe and a Brian Hartline to that mix,” Pettine said. “It was a group we felt we needed to improve our quality and our depth and we were able to do that.”

-- Bibbs (Iowa State) was the only undrafted rookie to make the 53-man roster. He had an impressive showing at the Browns’ rookie mini-camp and maintained that high level of play throughout OTAs and into training camp to give the Browns no other choice but to keep him on the roster alongside three veteran tight ends.
“That whole group top to bottom did a really good job in camp,” Pettine said. “Brian Angelichio is an outstanding position coach. I think Gary's very underrated as a starting tight end. I think everybody kind of has their own niche as far as what they do well. I like the depth in that room and the diversity of the skill sets.”

-- The Browns defensive line includes two standout rookies in Shelton and Cooper and Meder, a Parma Heights native who saw his first NFL action in last season’s regular season finale at Baltimore. He entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent out of Ashland University.
“That was big with Meder stepping up. That's like found money,” Pettine said. “He’s a guy that was undrafted a year ago that we were able to add mid-season and then for him to step up and have the offseason he had and make a big jump, that was impressive. You add that to our rookie class with Danny and Xavier and then add veterans like Starks. Desmond had one of his better offseasons -- he seems primed to have a big year -- and the versatility of an Armonty Bryant that can swing back and forth between outside linebacker and defensive line, that gives you more depth there. We feel much better about that room.”

-- One year after keeping 12 defensive backs on the original 53-man roster, Cleveland stuck with 11 it knows it can count upon in a defense that expects to utilize graduate-level concepts under second-year defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil.

“We're always going to start from the back end, especially at the corner spot first and build from the outside in,” Pettine said. “We have a group that we were fortunate to be able to add a quality veteran in Tramon Williams and outside of Gaines, we feel that group is close to being healthy. We like the key veterans and combine it with quality youth. It's another room where we feel like we have a lot of different types of players in that room.”

-- Of the Browns’ 12 picks in the 2015 draft, eight are on the 53-man roster. TE Randall Telfer(USC) and CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Oregon) were recently placed on the reserve/non-football injury list.

“We knew there were going to be some tough decisions because of the number of guys we brought in,” Pettine said. “I think this draft class will be a cornerstone of hopefully our success moving forward. You start right at the top. We think the world of Danny. Cam's going to be a good player for us for a long time. You can pretty much go right down the list.”

Over the next 24 hours, Cleveland will compose its 10-man practice squad and monitor transactions around the league to insure the team will have its best possible roster next Sunday against the Jets.

“Obviously the roster is still fluid, but I don't see us being extremely active in that market,” Pettine said. “With the depth we were able to bring in and develop, we feel virtually every position we have enough or more than enough NFL quality guys. It's a critical time but I just don't see us being really active.”


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I will say the fact that we are so weak at WR and we cut the only one we drafted, really makes me think farmer will never value the wr position, nor will he last long. Thats not saying we need a megatron, but a wr that has size and make the tough catch. i don't see one on the roster, I see small RAC type receivers, a possession receiver in hartline and a has been in Bowe and a maybe never will be in Pryor.

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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
We only have ONE backup offensive lineman. That is just sheer stupidity and a recipe for disaster...


Well, it would be if the season started tomorrow. I am sure that there will be some juggling, and we will probably get to 8 by the time the season starts. (probably losing either a WR, TE, DL, or LB in exchange for those positions)


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Originally Posted By: leadtheway
two biggest mistakes i think was keeping Carder over Pullard and bademosi over just about anyone with a pulse, the rest I think were about par. I still think west is gone and I think one of the TE's are gone


Pullard will go on the PS, and Bademosi is probably one of the best 2 or 3 special teams gunners in the league.


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two biggest mistakes i think was keeping Carder over Pullard and bademosi over just about anyone with a pulse, the rest I think were about par. I still think west is gone and I think one of the TE's are gone


Pullard will go on the PS, and Bademosi is probably one of the best 2 or 3 special teams gunners in the league.


I can see someone like the Giants claiming Pullard. Their linebacking situation is dreadful.

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his ST ability is overvalued. But with our scheme we don't need 11 DB's, so I guess using one for a ST guy is ok, and he and moore make a good gunner tandem but as a CB he's pretty bad


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Originally Posted By: leadtheway
i don't think he's even top 10...his ST ability is vastly overrated. But with our scheme we don't need 11 DB's, so I guess using one for a ST guy is ok, but as a CB he's pretty bad


Like anyone on here knows how good special team players actually are.

And, yes, we do use a ton of DBs in this scheme.

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we don't use 11


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Originally Posted By: leadtheway
we don't use 11


Depends on the game. I remember a game where the Jets beat the Patriots (I think it was the playoffs). They dressed something like 10 DBs.

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i don't think he's even top 10...his ST ability is vastly overrated. But with our scheme we don't need 11 DB's, so I guess using one for a ST guy is ok, but as a CB he's pretty bad


Like anyone on here knows how good special team players actually are.


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Personally think Bademosi's talent are undervalued. Does he play special teams? yes. But he can play corner and safety. He has value, and experience.

Only question mark I have is not keeping Pullard. I'd take him over Carder 10 out of 10 times.


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Bademosi can physically stand where a corner or safety is supposed to stand, but he cannot play either position. If he sees any action on defense in a real game, we are screwed.

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*GENERAL THOUGHTS AND MuSINGS*

Bademosi, Moore, Carder... I agree, Bade wasn't too great at CB. Early in the preseason there was a lot of chatter about carder's ability to blitz. Maybe ST's aside, he'll be brought in as a pass rushing specialist???

In any event, this offense is going to need a lot of help from the DEF... the DEF is going to need help from ST. If we have an All Pro punter, may as well have great gunners right?

I think in the end we'll add 2 more O-Lineman back to the 53. My guess is that we'll still drop a TE (maybe Housler???) and seeing as there is interest in West, they might be looking for that pick next year in return.

I know a lot of people are upset about Pryor over Lenz, but my gut feeling tells me that Pryor doesn't get past Week 4 to show that he's making progress living up to the potential. And honestly, Bowe may not have all that long of a leash either. If he doesn't produce or show he's been worth the $$$, he probably gets dropped by the Week 6 deadline.


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I really dont know how much more change our 53 will see. I believe we will carry a couple of the younger OL like Miller on the practice squad but I just dont see changes being made to the 53 especially with our GM on vacation for a few weeks.

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New regime motto. You can make the final 53 based on potential
Not hard work.
Terrell Pryor was handed a job based on Farmer being aroused on his potential.

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