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Not mentioned:

Taylor Gabriel, Joel Bitonio, Isaiah Crowell, Karlos Dansby, Andrew Hawkins, Andy Lee, Donte Whitner, K'Waun Williams.

The 2015 draft class has yet to play a game.

Also, the biggest knock against Farmer is the texting thing.

I'm on the fence about him. Thinking he should get more time but also that the leash should be tightening.

Not to mention, we knew there would be growing pains, so let the pains begin, so we can get over them and onward and upward.

Bone, you list individuals but never mentioned team chemistry. How has the team digressed since he took charge? Haslam should fire Farmer after two drafts and one season that bested the last five years? Can you describe the dysfunction between players? I get your frustration. I guess I don't see the urgency to assemble gallows.

Still to early to gauge Farmer but I think he learned his lesson with bad attitudes last year and he really went hard to find the right guys in this draft. He is learning and improving.

There is only ONE stat that matters in the NFL: wins.

Pre-farmer: 4-12
1 year with Farmer: 7-9

We'll see this year. If we regress, there will be talks of firing him.
If we progress to 8-8 or better, he'll be the toast of the town.

I agree with this. When you have rookies at every top positions in your FO and coaching staffs, mistakes will be made. A maturation is expected over time.

The one BIG difference I see with Farmer and Pettine, is that they are willing to ship out players they drafted. Gilbert nor Manziel were handed a job. West was shipped down the river.

Fans used to complain how a current FO favored their draft picks. How they didn't make them earn their jobs. Now they're complaining when the FO and coaching staff holds them accountable and will even ship them out of town if they feel the need.

Finally we have people in power that are owning up to their mistakes by the players they put on the field. I'm as upset as anyone by the consistent missteps in our drafts. This is our second draft class by Farmer this year. I'm willing to let things play out to see if he improved from last year.

I'm just glad we can actually see a FO who makes their picks earn their playing time and are willing to not favor their picks in playing time.

I'm far from sold on Farmer. Overall I have a negative opinion of him. At the same time, if I see positives I'm not afraid to step up to the plate and state them.

Let's not forget that Farmer traded a #4 and a #6 to draft West in the 3rd. In other words, we spent a 3rd, a 4th, and a 6th for a conditional 7th round pick. Yippy-Ki-yay.

The biggest knock against Farmer is Manziel, Gilbert and the texting thing. Moron should know the rules if he's in that position.

Our be able to follow the rules. Our be able to find ways around the rules.

Since he's not shown a proclivity for either, how about we just settle on at least knowing them and then, hopefully following them.

+100

I give you kudus for this post. It's definitely not whacked out.

Bonefish, keep sharpening your pitchfork. You obviously have no idea of what has really plagued the Browns all these years. You should write in to Hey Tony. You guys can console each other.

And the only reason Farmer was able to lure Dansby...is because he threw a ton of cash his way

my biggest knock on Farmer was drafting Gilbert over Beckham and Manziel over Bridgewater ... our team would be totally different

No one talks about this, we also passed on Aaron Donald, who is probably a top five defensive linemen going into his second year.

Part of being a GM is determining who is worthy of being paid. At this point Dansby can't be considered anything but a win for Farmer. If you argue anything else it is just sour grapes.

i used to think that until textgate, and found out he was in the coaching film room badgering the coaching staff.

Gilbert, Mayle, West - textgate .... all big negatives.

Manziel - there were PLENTY of posters and scouts and media pundits that thought he was a valid selection at #5 .... so I think taking him at #22 is a wash. He's a project and still a work in progress.

Every single draft pick is a crap shoot. I think overall, there are more positive picks than negatives. But because Johnny and Gilbert were not instant Pro-bowlers people with the attention span of a gnat want blood and more change ... the next year they'd be blaming Haslam for lack of continuity. Lets not forget how decimated the team was with injuries last year too - and we won more games than the previous year. As others have said - judge the team on wins and losses and the total package - not just one or two cherry picked mistakes.

The jury is still out - but I am optimistic we have a good GM who is in sync with the head coach.

You know this to be factual? Or perhaps he wants/needs to learn/understand how the players are performing.

Not a Farmer fan Dave .. And when it comes to undrafted free agents like Taylor Gabriel' Isaiah Crowel, K'Waun Williams , Bibbs ; I think much of the credit needs to go to the scouting staff for getting these guys in camp ???

Agree with ya

Seriously refs, cut the quick reply feature. PITA

"You obviously have no idea of what has really plagued the Browns all these years."
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Really?

Elementary my dear Watson:
Draft Picks.

Yeah count me in that group. Part of me says "enough with the regime changes", part of me thinks "let's give him time." and maybe it can work.
That's where I am.

Since Farmer has been here we all seem to like the Bitonio and Shelton picks ... the Erving pick is TBD ... and the Gilbert/Manziel/West trio is a catastrophe from last year

Not to mention his infatuation with NOT drafting/NOT able to evaluate WRs ... Mayle?! The fact he even drafted him is absurd ... I could tell within five plays that Mayle wouldn't deserve a roster spot

I'm not sure why you are giving Shelton high praise over Erving neither has played a regular season game to judge. Besides Erving has much tougher hill to climb to be a starter.

Mayle...what round was he drafted? How many drafted in that round see the field game one first year? Not saying he is brilliant, but I think you are grading these picks as if they should all start.

There is some talent on this team not easy for everyone to start like years past.

Dansby has been a good linebacker for us...but we saw a decline in his big plays and stats as well...I forget his contract but I know it was pretty steep for a then what 32-33 year old linebacker...He's actually been the best signing of the ones he threw big money at...To be fair McCown, Bowe, Tramon Williams can't be judged yet...but I have a feeling it won't be pretty

Hey look................a poster can't debate football, so he resorts to insulting the guy who was talking football.

How freaking refreshing.

That's true, bugs. I believe that tends to get overlooked. The better the team, the tougher for a draftee to crack the lineup...

I am not calling to fire Farmer, but as of right now........his negatives outweigh his positives and it isn't close.

I don't see how people can bring up Gabriel when we could have had Odell Beckham Jr.?

He drafted JM over Teddy.

He got a seventh round pick for a guy who he spent a 3rd, 4th, and 6th on. Seriously?

He put his nose into the coaching staffs decisions and ran off the best OC we have had since our rebirth.

He picked Gilbert w/the 8th overall pick. This is the same guy who said he would rather sleep than study and said "we'll see" if he wants to earn a starting job. You can't make this crap up!!!

He chose Erving, who really doesn't have a position. I am not knocking this move yet, but really, no one else was available?

He chose a WR [finally] who led the country in drops and was said to be immature and who really didn't like football. What?

He chose DeSir in round 4. This guy has stiff hips and is not quick enough to play man. He is a zone corner. To bad that Pet really doesn't run that type of defense.

He signed McCown to big money.

He signed D. "Alligator Arms" Bowe to big money.

He gave Tate pretty good money last year.

He has shown no understanding of offensive skill positions.

He had no experience w/the draft in his previous jobs.

Notice that I have NOT insulted ANY posters. I am talking football. Do you guys think you can respond w/football points rather than insulting me?

Probably the best rebuttal I will receive.

The Colts spent a 1st and got 0 return. It happens.

That said, it happens to us too often. We crap the bed too often when it comes to the draft. And when handed extra picks ... we crap the bed more.

7 wins enough said.

So who exactly is giving Farmer this alleged "free pass"? I haven't seen a single post(er) that says Farmer has done everything 100% correctly and every decision has worked out.

What I have seen out of the Farmer "supporters" is admissions that he screwed up (Textgate), and calls for patience for picks that haven't panned out yet, especially in positions that take 2-3 yrs to get (QB/CB).

Past that I see a lot of people critical of Farmer because he didn't draft their favorite Fantasy Football player.

EVERY team, EVERY fan, EVERY draft, EVERY year, EVERYONE can say "Look who we could have gotten!" I don't think that's a very solid argument.


Look, when it comes down to it, is the roster going in to this season stronger than it was last year? Is it stronger than it was 2 seasons ago?

I think I, and a number of others, can make the solid argument that YES, as a whole, this is stronger roster. Isn't that the end game of the GM?

Vers I like this post of yours.
I am not going to debate about drafts and trades.
But one point I like Bitionio and shelton a lot more than mingo.