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They obviously wanted to keep him and clear a roster spot.

I just don't think he cares or wants to play football honestly. No drive or any determination in any of the interviews I listen of him.

Could be why Cleveland going above and beyond to make sure Gaines doesn't/didn't get picked up by another team.

Desir and Gaines... next year possibly have Iko's services coming off knee injury - not that anyone cares about Justin now, but he'll just become fully forgotten. Probably cause he'll just get cut or stay where he's at currently, the lowest darkest spectrum of the depth chart.

Justin's attitude leaves a sour taste, then I watch him mess up time and time again on gameday and the taste becomes something else.

I'm 75% convinced Gilbert = a massive bust. One of many we've had here in the first round.

I'm convinced that Gilberts problem is between his ears..

I have mixed feelings about Gilbert considering Haden is taking him under his wing and Gilbert took the initiative to seek him out to improve his game. The kid might just turn that it's time to get serious switch on and surprise us all.

I just hope we get the offense some serious help in next year's draft.

Also, we are not married to Tramon Williams. If we have multiple young guys pass him up, he could be gone next year.

Further, if we have extra very good DBs, that would be a wonderful "problem" to have ...... and also a nice trade chip to hold.

While people may consider calling Gilbert a bust premature, I don't believe anyone can dispute that he is certainly well behind the curve for where he was drafted.

I'm about 85%

We don't really know at this point, we haven't seen him perform for any stretch this year. Consider the point disputed pending further evidence.

So the coaching staff is totally lost on how to make the depth chart at CB?


All righty then....

Oh I get it, that's you playing dumb.

To me dumb is saying the 4th or 5th CB in your rotation isn't behind the curve for a high first round pick.

If the coaching staff only plays him in an emergency situation, that tells the story.

Playing dumb to me is ignoring how he's buried on the depth chart and trying to claim we don't know how good he is when the coaches don't want him to ever see the field.

he is back up to joe on the depth chart. not exactly buried.

If he's not good enough to get past the late round picks and UDFA's that have been in front of him since he got here, then let's just assume that what he would look like on the field isn't very good.... otherwise he would be on the field.

Agreed Vers. The guy doesn't seem to understand that the key to the game is offense in this day and age. No QB. No WRs. No RBs. At what point do you admit that you don't have a clue as to what is going on here?

Yes, I think we have gotten stronger on the line of scrimmage. But to pass on the amount of talent AND the wasting of draft picks for VERY questionable talent AND character is mind boggling.

Jump to conclusions much? I guess waiting to see how he's developed this year just doesn't compute wth some of you. By all means though, base your judgements and conclusions on a placement on the depth chart behind an experienced starter.

Yes, quite a bit. It's a lot more fun than always saying, "Let's wait and see how things play out."


Ok, so he's behind Tramon Williams (wonder why we went out and got him?).. isn't he also behind UDFA K'Waun Williams who is the same age? and behind Pierre Desir, 4th round pick last year from the coveted players from Lindenwood College?

Sorry, when nobody is even talking about the #8 pick in the draft earning a starting spot and being behind potentially 2 or 3 other players just to get on the field at the beginning of his second year, it's not a good sign...

Wow, now that is playing dumb. He's not buried on the depth chart and if they didn't want him to ever see the field he wouldn't be on the roster. It's too bad he's not progressing at your pace, because your curve, being the standard by which all first rounders are graded, has surely put Off of Columbus Road, via Madison Street
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his job in jeopardy.

No, it's common sense. You EXPECT a top 10 draft pick to be a starter by year two. If not, he's "behind the curve". Which is exactly what I said. All you need to do is look at Haden when he was drafted.

I didn't say he was a bust. I didn't say he would never pan out. I said he is behind the curve, and he is.

He wasn't a third or fourth round project, he was a top 10 pick.

This is where I'd close the thread, if I was King of the World.

Nicely said.

I'm a fan, I don't have to have patience, I'm allowed to be a knee-jerk moron and voice my opinion every step along the way.. and if you don't like the fact that I have an opinion, then you can STFU.

I come to a Browns MB to throw around opinions and hear the opinions of others.... it would be a mighty boring place if the only opinion allowed on anybody who has been here less than 3 years was "let's wait and see"....

Man, you're not your usual reasonable self today. What gives?

I may have to take you off my favorite posters list. There is a list of people waiting to get on so watch yourself.

I think it comes from people being quite rude in their responses to begin with. I mean telling someone who has a different view from yourself to STFU? I mean really?

Any message board will have a variety of opinions. That's the very point to debate opinions and differing viewpoints. For someone to tell others to STFU because they have a different opinion deserves the kind of response DC gave.

Mac if Farmer hit on 50% that would be great but as of NOW he is hitting on 25% and that just isn't going to cut it...

How can you have 4 years worth of 1st round picks and come away with 1 starter and he is a solid maybe cause he ain't proved nothin yet.

hey just wanna clarify something.

is mingo considered a farmer pick or lombardi? cause he's trash as well.

lombardi as far as i think. but farmer was assistant GM so....

He was drafted in 2013. So Farmer was here but Lombardi/Banner had the final say.

How are you still on the board?

Just today, you have called people:

--whiners
--morons
--dumb

and told them to STFU because they had an opinion about our team.

Who the heck are you to talk to people like that?

Your facts are weak, thus you have to resort to insulting other posters who are pointing out FACTS!

Btw guys.............who hired Moeller? Farmer or Banner?

Mingo was a Banner/Lombardi pick.

chud? turner? nope i guess it was pettine or shanny? heck i admit it. i just dont know lmao.

Farmer like Heckert is gonna have apologists and those who have rose colored glasses on.
The fact of the matter is out of the 2014 NFL Draft..theirs about 4 to 6 picks who aren't starting or making solid contributions to their respective teams.
Guess what Farmer owns 2 of those picks.
While other teams will get contributors from their 4th RD picks,Farmer cut his Vince Mayle.
Playoff teams can afford that to a extent......not a cellar dwelling team like the Browns

Check your facts, Lord of the Board. I didn't call anyone any of those things, they were all descriptions of certain response as I perceive them. My comments are by no means an indictment of any poster as a person or in general. My posts are merely opinions, which you and Pit are stump thumping about having the right to express. And while I would never argue that, I would define your responses on the whole as largely supercilious. Your confusion of FACTS for opinions seems to bolster the thought.

I would assume it was Banner or Pettine... Farmer wasn't GM yet.. Moeller was hired the first of February and the FO changes started around the 2nd week of February 2014.

More hot hair w/out any football talk. Take your own advice in regards to speaking.

Wake me up when Farmer can out draft the Bengals Ravens and Steelers

Like I said, supercilious.

Let's be clear here, I haven't told anyone to STFU, but merely describe it as a potentially wiser course than knee jerk trashing, belittling, complaining and dismissiveness. It is most unfortunate that you, DC or anyone felt the need to internalize the response and self-direct it. Most unfortunate. I sincerely apologize if any feelings were hurt.

Hmmmmm..........just read a bunch of articles. Looks like it might have been Pet. They worked together before and Moeller was hired before Shanny was hired.

Interesting.

I don't think you need to explain yourself, I agreed with your general thoughts in that post and I got that you aren't trying to insult anyone.

So, calling people moronic, dumb, and telling them to STFU is NOT insulting?

And what did those people REALLY say that provoked such responses?

They were voicing their displeasure w/some of Farmer's moves. Big deal!

The facts are that many of his moves have indeed been questionable. NO ONE is asking you, Cal, tab, or anyone else to agree that those moves were bad. If you think they are great, more power to you.................but, we should not be called moronic, dumb, whiners, and told to STFU because we cite actual moves like these:

--Choosing Gilbert at #8 and thus far, he has not performed to expectations.

--Choosing Manziel over Teddy. Heck, Carr and Jimmy G are looking way better.

--Giving up a 4th and a 6th to move up to draft West, who was later traded for a conditional 7th.

--Choosing Mayle, who led the country in drops, as his only WR in two years.

--Giving McCown and Bowe large amounts of money.

--Text gate.

--Being so invasive, that the best OC we had since our return, plotted to escape.

--Putting a bottom tier cb as our Injured Reserve--designated to return list. [we only get one of these] WHAT??????

Now, you, Cal, tab, and others might think those are all wonderful moves. I have no problem w/that. Debate us. Tell us why they are such good moves. But don't resort to calling us moronic, dumb, and whiners and then telling us to STFU.

It's a message board. A variety of opinions is not a bad thing. We are supposed to discuss topics. And discussing isn't whining, moronic, or dumb.

Now.........take note of something. I just debated you. Strongly, but I did NOT insult you or Cal. I did NOT call you moronic. I did not say you were dumb. I did not say you were a whiner. And I did not say to STFU.

See the difference??????