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I dont understand why bibbs who was probably our best offensive weapon in preseason wasnt active and why our best pass rusher in preseason cooper wasnt active either.

I think the Browns have trapped themselves with this play like a Brown nonsense.

I think they preach hard work, Boy Scout type of behavior. They also believe rewarding veterans if they establish a history of this behavior.

And what happens is this sometimes comes at the expense of talent.

If I'm Haslam, Farmer doesn't get the chance to re-enter Berea after his suspension is over.

What he has done to the offense is atrocious. There are absolutely no playmakers on this team. The defense is no better than a year ago despite devoting tremendous resources to making that happen.

Justin Gilbert, Johnny, TWest, Mayle...Orchard and Cooper not even being active today.

Nuff said. Fire the guy before it gets any worse.

Mourgry... This may not be why they were... But last year Pet always said who ever practices the hardest plays on Sunday...

I do not agree with that... But High school sensation Pet may believe and practice that.

It's possible they didn't have good practices...

It's amazing, that with the enormous cap space at his disposal and two first round picks in the draft that he managed to not upgrade one single unit on either side of the ball. I'd listen to an upgrade on the DL, but otherwise, no.

It takes effort to be that incompetent.

And that is one of the most disappointing things about today.

The others would be the secondary looking like they had never played the game before.

Our 2 supposedly strongest units looked like they had never seen a football before. Just sad.

This game was a failure by the players, but even more by the coaches.

Because they might have contributed something positive. Can't have that. Nothing this team has done this year makes any sense.

I think Tom Brady snuck into town and deflated the Balls of everybody on the field. From the Head Coach down to the ball boys. The only person who played like he had a set got his bell rung at the 2 yard line.

They got beat like red headed step children

It was either

A. They didn't think he was one of our top D-linemen

or

B. Our coaching staff had already made the decision that we were not going to be able to sack Mr ZZ Top Fitzpatriick because they thought he gets rid of the ball to quickly

I don't know why Cooper didn't play, but I believe Bibbs was hurt.

Farmer had a bottom 5 offense last year.

- He fixed QB by bringing in the guy who was benched as the starter on the worst team in football last year.

- He drafted a 3rd round RB so that he could dump the guy he drafted in the 3rd round LAST YEAR for peanuts.

- He fixed receiver with 2 guys who were cut in the off-season and guaranteed one of them (who at the time we were lead to believe could play but was inactive Sunday) $9M.

- He ignored WR in two of the richest WR drafts in recent history to finally draft a guy in the 4th who ran the slowest time at the combine with the most drops in college football... and will see 0 snaps as a Brown.

- He brought back last year's backups to start at TE.

But hey, we have a backup center! And a Pro Bowl punter!

Farmer is a joke. Every person who sat in the stadium and watched a game last year knew that our offense lacked explosiveness and weapons and he did ZERO to address that. You need to be able to score points to win in today's NFL yet here we are with a garbage offense AGAIN.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm with you... he can just stay home when his suspension is up.

We used a 4th round pick on a WR who didn't make the team, and the Jets traded a 5th round pick for Brandon Marshall. Amazing how the NFL devalues veteran players; I'm starting to think we should just trade draft picks for vets, because the draft is just not working for us.

While Farmer gets no pass for the lack in effort of addressing offensive needs, wouldn't the Crowell issue be a coaching issue?

Farmer is beginning to come across as an "I'm smarter than you" guy who will try to draft rediculously in higher rounds and try to fill the needs of offensive firepower through "value" picks or UDFAs. All this is done with the egocentric ideals of "I'm a football guy and smarter than the common guy." Maybe it's just us.... we are not on his level.

Way too early to call them average. They have a very good o-line, Decker and Marshall are solid to very good, and Ivory averages over 4YPC. Fitz, Does very well, especially early in the season and when he is well protected. They may end up being much better than people think.

We have been drafting high pretty much back to '99 and what do we have in the way of skill positions that is a difference maker?

It just makes me sick to go back through old drafts and see "Oh, we could have had him...Well that sucks."
But we did get this steaming pile that is no longer in the league.

For some reason, Farmer and Pettine don't seem to realize that great line play means nothing if there's nobody worth protecting.

I mean... we took a guy who amounts to a backup center this year with a Top 20 pick. Meanwhile, we're trotting out a mediocre veteran at QB, role players at WR, JAGs at RB, journeymen at TE all while Pettine talks about not over-prioritizing QB and Farmer theorycrafts about how to turn a UDFA into a franchise QB.

Meanwhile our offense scores no points, we can't run the ball because no one respects our ability to pass, our defense can't stay off the field because our offense can't sustain drives/avoid turnovers and we're supposed to be surprised that we suck...

I think we're dead on when we're saying Farmer thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He thinks that if he takes a bunch of stud linemen that he can find the rest of our offense in later rounds/UDFA.

It's stupidity. Quarterback needs to be priority #1 until we find one and those guys are found at the top of the draft. And if that means that Farmer is out on his butt and replaced with a guy whose sole purpose is to find the next QB for this team (ala Elway in Denver) then so be it.

Again, we should ask the Bills about EJ Manuel. I'd trade ANY of our QBs along with a mid/late round pick to get him in. He's a longshot, and probably closer to a Freeman than good QB, but at least he has some upside. What we have now is nothing, with the "ceiling" of a below average NFL QB....all three of them.

Manuel would be perfect. He either gets his act together on his second team and surprises or he completely busts, guaranteeing the top pick. Of course, the last scenario is more probable and would get everyone fired, but if they keep the stooges QBs around, they're lame ducks anyway.. Thinking about it, they deserve to be fired for going into the season with that QB depth chart, seriously.

I take exception to this. I just saw ZZ Top a couple of weeks ago.

They are far more talented (even though we didn't make it look that way), have had a much better career and their beards are a LOT longer.

4 first round picks and we are getting nothing.

1. Gilbert –inactive
2. Manziel – showed flashes, but offensive weapson = worst in the entire league by a landlside.
3. Shelton – certainly not an impact player in game one
4. Ervging – a backup guard/center, let me repeat that a backup guard/center first round pick.

Nate Orchard – was inactive on Sunday our 2nd round pick.



This is a disaster, Farmers drafts have been a disaster. I know the “We can’t keep hiring and firing” crew will be out, but how can you possibly back this guy at this point.

Free Agent acquisitions are the only thing keeping this from completely imploding on Farmer.

Active / inactive is all on the Coaching staff .. Cooper and Biggs not seeing the field was very disturbing to me ..

It's too early to judge either draft class. Yes, Gilbert and Johnny are looking like a hot mess. Johnny is improving.

As far as this year's class, Shelton went up against one of the best centers in the league (and most likely the strongest) in his first real action. I'm guessing he'll look better against the Titans.

I noticed we had Erving in some as an extra lineman. I wouldn't mind seeing more of that. He's one of the few of our lineman to have an edge and that nastiness that you want if you're going to run the ball. Mack has some, but he doesn't look 100% yet.

Orchard has/had a back issue. Hopefully he'll be good to go this week. He's shown the ability to set the edge, hopefully he can do that better than we saw last week.

Agree with 100% of this post. I think we can get serious about judgment passing after this season pertaining to Justin and JF (JF may get the start this week and make it difficult to replace him when McCown comes back) so... thus far, it's looking gloomy and dark.

Out of morbid curiosity, I am looking forward to see what Farmer does with the overall #1 pick in this next draft.

Farmer texts his selection..Browns have a team invite player turn in the draft card... Mingo turns the draft card in...Mingo seperated shoulder when picking the card up...uses other hand to pick up the wrong draft card...Select a projected 5th rounder at #1 overall...Farmer tells us it was part of the plan

Lets target the most injury prone running back... we'll be golden!

I remember hearing a story about how we once called Cameron Jordan when we decided to draft Jordan Cameron and that's how I think the first pick will be handled.

With the first pick in the NFL draft the Browns select Bosa Joey out of Oregon State University!

It'd be pretty fitting with how haphazardly this team was built.

If we're picking #1, Farmer isn't going to be around to make that pick... and it had better be made by someone who knows how to evaluate a franchise QB.

Honestly, if Ray Farmer is our GM after these past two drafts, I am done. He absolutely and unequivocally sucks. No clue whatsoever how to build a football team in today's NFL. It's all about the offense. And by offense, I mean playmakers. Not OL or your 4th TE. Farmer is nothing more than an egotistical POS.

He won't be here to pick it.

Amen and amen!

Had we given the average fan the opportunity to pick with 2 1st round picks in back to back drafts, they would be starting right now!

In reality, I would definitely had Watkins and Bridgewater on this roster from 2014 and Shelton and Dupree from 2015. That has a whole lot more potential than Gilbert, Manziel, and Erving!

Dupree has done nothing but suck so far for Pitt. Only reason we've blown more first rounders than them over the past five years is we've had more opportunities.

clevesteve,

Speaking from just seeing the stats/box score, looks like Henry Anderson had a good first game with the Colts. I remember you talking about drafting him in the mid-rounds.

from rotowire:
Anderson had nine tackles and three tackles for a loss in Sunday's loss to Buffalo.
Analysis: Anderson got 49 snaps as the starter at right defensive end and had a strong game against the run.

And the reason it doesn't affect them is Roth.

J/C .... can we wait more than one week to decide whether or not this team sucks or not?