This thread could easily go on forever...

J.D. Vance Wildly Suggests Biden Is Trying To 'Kill A Bunch Of MAGA Voters'

Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance has leveled a bizarre new accusation against Joe Biden, suggesting that the president is trying to “kill” MAGA voters with fentanyl sold by drug traffickers.

“If you wanted to kill a bunch of MAGA voters in the middle of the heartland, how better than to target them and their kids with this deadly fentanyl?” the controversial candidate pressed in an interview Friday with Jim Hoft, founder of the far-right news site Gateway Pundit.

The venture capitalist and “Hillbilly Elegy” author, who was endorsed earlier this month by Donald Trump, did not explain how Biden could accomplish such a horrifying aim. But he implied that drug traffickers crossing into the U.S. from Mexico were expressly not arrested so they could kill right-wing Republican voters.

“It’s really a border crisis that has gone all over the country,” said Vance.

“It does look intentional,” he emphasized. “It’s like Joe Biden wants to punish the people who didn’t vote for him, and opening up the floodgates to the border is one way to do it.”

In fact, the amount of cocaine and fentanyl seized at the border at eight Texas ports of entry increased “significantly” last year during the Biden administration, keeping massive amounts of the drugs out of the country, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

“Most notably [there was] a 1,066% increase in fentanyl and a 98% increase in cocaine seized,” the CBP reported.

Trump has encouraged his supporters to back Vance, who has no political experience, saying that he has the best chance of winning the general election. The primary is May 3.

While welcoming the former president’s endorsement, Vance in the past has reportedly called Trump an “idiot” and “America’s Hitler.”

Critics on Twitter were appalled by Vance’s outrageous claim. They were also furious about the implication that MAGA voters are fentanyl users, while Democrats are apparently largely unaffected by the ridiculous Biden “plot” Vance has cooked up.

https://sports.yahoo.com/j-d-vance-wildly-suggests-021349250.html

Judge bars Tina Peters from running Mesa County elections

MESA COUNTY, Colo. (KRDO)-- Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters is still in the race to run Colorado's elections, but she won't be able to run the elections in her own county.

Peters, who faces ten criminal counts for allegedly tampering with election equipment in an effort to expose what she believed were widespread voting machine discrepancies, has now been barred from overseeing Mesa County's elections by a judge.

A court granted Secretary of State Jena Griswold's request to appoint Brandi Bantz as the designated election official in Peters' place.

Despite her charges, Peters is still in the running to be the Republican candidate for Colorado Secretary of State in the 2022 election. Peters received 60.57% of the vote at the party's assembly in March. In the June primary race, Peters will be up against Mike O’Donnell, a Yuma County candidate who earned 39.4% of the vote at the assembly, and Pam Anderson, a more moderate candidate who had enough petitions to land on the primary ballot. Of the three, only Anderson denies widespread voter fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 November election.

In response to the judge's ruling, Secretary of State Jena Griswold issued a statement saying, "The Court’s decision today bars Peters from further threatening the integrity of Mesa’s elections and ensures Mesa County residents have the secure and accessible elections they deserve."

After Peters was charged, Griswold worked with legislators on Senate Bill 22-153, which would prohibit clerks with election-related convicitions from running elections. That bill passed through the state legislature Tuesday night.

https://krdo.com/news/2022/05/10/judge-bars-tina-peters-from-running-mesa-county-elections/

So he’s basically admitting meth heads and other such drug addicts vote for donny….. sounds about right.

Started by Texas Governor Greg Abbott, this story is blowing up on the right...

Governor Abbott, National Border Patrol Council Release Joint Statement On Biden Administration Providing Baby Formula To Illegal Immigrants Amid National Shortage

May 12, 2022 | Austin, Texas | Press Release

Governor Greg Abbott and National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) President Brandon Judd today issued a joint statement on the Biden Administration providing baby formula to illegal immigrant holding facilities as American parents scramble amid a nationwide shortage of the product.

"Children are our most vulnerable, precious Texans and deserve to be put first. Yet, President Biden has turned a blind eye to parents across America who are facing the nightmare of a nationwide baby formula shortage. While mothers and fathers stare at empty grocery store shelves in a panic, the Biden Administration is happy to provide baby formula to illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. This is yet another one in a long line of reckless, out-of-touch priorities from the Biden Administration when it comes to securing our border and protecting Americans. Our children deserve a president who puts their needs and survival first – not one who gives critical supplies to illegal immigrants before the very people he took an oath to serve."

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/gov...llegal-immigrants-amid-national-shortage

So much for Pro-Life! smfh, you can't make this crap up. Baby Killers! And these babies are actual babies that were born already.



‘Pro-Life’ Conservatives Are Mad the Government Isn’t Letting Migrant Infants Starve to Death

Fox News and Republican lawmakers are up in arms that the Biden administration is caring for babies at the border during a formula shortage

There’s a baby formula shortage in the United States. Republican lawmakers and conservative media members are taking frustration out on immigrants.

Fox News hosts have spent the past 24 hours raising hell over immigrant babies at the U.S.-Mexico border receiving formula, arguing that it should instead be distributed to Americans first. “[For] American families there’s a shortage, but if you’re a migrant, don’t worry because Uncle Sam has a stash of that,” Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy said Friday morning.



The subject became fodder for right-wing xenophobia earlier this week, with Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.) on Wednesday tweeting a picture of what she said was “shelves and pallets packed with baby formula” at the Ursula Processing Center in McAllen, Texas. She contrasted that with a picture of a bare store shelf, writing, “This is what America last looks like.”

A day later, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, in a preview of what would follow on Fox airwaves later that night, released a statement along with National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd accusing Biden of “turn[ing] a blind eye to parents across America” by “giv[ing] critical supplies to illegal immigrants before the very people he took an oath to serve.”

The care of infants in U.S. detention centers, unsurprisingly, is the responsibility of U.S. officials, and immigrants can’t just leave to try to find formula themselves. Yet Abbott’s fellow “pro-life” Republicans — including Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, North Carolina Rep. Dan Bishop and Texas Rep. Troy Nehls — are essentially suggesting that the government let the infants of immigrants starve to death.

So too did Rep. Elise Stefanik, the third-ranking Republican in the House of Representatives. “The White House, House Dems, & usual pedo grifters are so out of touch with the American people that rather than present ANY PLAN or urgency to address the nationwide baby formula crisis, they double down on sending pallets of formula to the southern border,” she tweeted on Friday. “Joe Biden has NO PLAN.”

The hosts of each of Fox’s four primetime shows each took a similar stance on Thursday night. “Why are we feeding illegal babies ahead of American babies?” Jesse Watters asked, and which Sean Hannity also wondered later. “These are not people that respected our borders, our laws, and our sovereignty,” Hannity said. “Why wouldn’t all of the pallets go to American families first?”

Tucker Carlson riled up his viewers by asking, “How much more of this are people going to take, you wonder. It’s too humiliating.” Laura Ingraham, meanwhile, asserted that formula being distributed at the border is “something that will infuriate you,” but “Democrats just don’t care.”



The shortage of baby formula stems from the February closing of a production facility in Michigan and a voluntary recall in light of a Food and Drug Administration investigation into bacterial infections linked to powdered formula. In a news release on Tuesday, the FDA noted that “supply chain issues associated with the pandemic” are also a factor. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said on Thursday that the hoarding of formula is “an enormous problem” as the public becomes more aware of the shortage. The House Oversight Committee has opened an investigation into the matter, ABC News reported Friday.

Psaki responded to the attacks from conservatives on Friday, noting that Customs and Border Protection is simply following the law. “We also think it’s morally the right thing to do,” she added.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-fox-news-baby-formula-shortage-1352736/

Gov. Abbott, taking formula from migrant babies would be illegal — and vicious

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...abies-to-feed-americans-he-shouldnt-try/

And of course, taking that formula would be against the law.

Madison Cawthorn Loses Primary After Brutal Barrage Of GOP Attacks
Amanda Terkel
Tue, May 17, 2022, 10:26 PM·3 min read
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Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) has twice been stopped trying to bring a gun onto a plane. He claimed his colleagues take cocaine and hold orgies. He suggested House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is an alcoholic, even though she doesn’t drink. He might be caught up in an insider trading scheme, and a GOP senator from his own state has called for an investigation. He has called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a “thug.” Multiple women have accused him of sexual harassment.

And his constituents have decided they have had enough.

Cawthorn, 26, lost his bid for reelection Tuesday, falling to state Sen. Chuck Edwardsin the GOP primary in the 11th Congressional District. Seven challengers had stepped up to challenge Cawthorn in this deeply red district. He called Edwards to concede Tuesday night.

“This is simply incredible. Against all odds, we fought hard to win this election and provide clear conservative leadership for the mountains,” Edwards said in a statement after his win.

With Tuesday’s results, many of his colleagues in Washington and North Carolina are likely breathing a sigh of relief. In recent weeks, Cawthorn faced an onslaught of unflattering opposition research and questions about his mental stability. Republican leaders in the state ― including Sen. Thom Tillis, who backed Edwards ― worked mightily to unseat him.

Cawthorn was once a rising star in the Republican Party, getting a speaking spot at the party’s 2020 convention as a political newcomer after his surprise win the GOP primary in his district.

In 2014, at the age of 18, he was in a car crash that left him partially paralyzed. He has said that he’d struggled mentally since the crash ― and even contemplated suicide.

“I think it slowed my brain down a little bit. Made me less intelligent,” Cawthorn said in a deposition. “And the pain also made reading and studying very difficult.”

A year later, he made his start in politics ― a part-time job as an assistant in one of then-Rep. Mark Meadows’ North Carolina district offices.

Cawthorn had his fair share of controversies from the get-go, but criticism from his GOP colleagues has stepped up in recent months. He lost the support of much of the Republican establishment in North Carolina, including Tillis, and the state’s House speaker and Senate leader ― all of whom backed Edwards in the primary.

Some of the frustration was far more local and personal. Last year, Cawthorn angered Tillis when he called the senator “a terrible campaigner” and “a complete RINO” (“Republican in name only”) at a Republican meeting in the state.

Tillis praised Edwards as the “embodiment of Mountain values who will fight for them every single day in Congress with honor and integrity” in a statement Tuesday night.

Cawthorn also briefly talked about switching districts, pushing aside and disparaging Tim Moore, the state House speaker and presumed front-runner.

And as a congressman, Cawthorn faced criticism for ignoring constituent services back home.

“Unfortunately, Madison Cawthorn has fallen well short of the most basic standards western North Carolina expects from their representatives,” Tillis said in late March.

“On any given day, he’s an embarrassment,” added Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who did not endorse anyone in the race.

Trump finally endorsed Cawthorn on Monday, the day before the election.

“When Madison was first elected to Congress, he did a great job,” Trump said in a post on the social media platform that he created that has failed to take off in a significant way. “Recently, he made some foolish mistakes, which I don’t believe he’ll make again…let’s give Madison a second chance!”

A group of Cawthorn’s constituents challenged his eligibility to be on the ballot, arguing that he shouldn’t be allowed to run because, they say, the congressman “advocated for political violence both before and after” Jan. 6, 2021, and that the actions of Cawthorn and others “led directly, intentionally, and foreseeably to the insurrectionists’ violent assault on the Capitol.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/madison-cawthorn-loses-primary-brutal-022612735.html

He'll go write a book about all the crap he says he saw in DC and make a fortune... smfh

It's really encouraging to see at least some portion of the GOP voting base (I assume only Republicans can vote in that primary) establish some sort of line in the sand as far as politician's conduct.

We just need to see more of it. I think there is a common misconception on this board about what many of us feel and believe about Republicans that hold little to no truth. I'm sure there are some on the fringe of the left where there is a ring of truth to it. For the most part I think most people feel much the way I do. I think what many of us want to see is sanity brought back to the republican party instead of what we've been seeing as of late. The Hawthorns and MTG's of the world I do not see as representative as to how many Republicans feel. I can only hope in the future that sane Republicans can take back their party.

Actually that isn't the case.
In NC, if you are declared then you can only vote in your party primary. If you are undeclared the you get to choose which one you vote in.

I live in NC and I am undeclared, so I voted in the republican primary this time because there were a few candidates that I liked and a few that are intolerable to me. So I felt it would have a bigger impact this way. Voted republican in 2020 but democrat in 2016 and 2018.

Fyi, i am not in cawthorne's district, so he wasn't on my ballot

Can't you change you "declaration" right there at the polling place and request any ballot? I thought that was a new thing.

Closed primaries should be declared unconstitutional and illegal. It is not in the constitution that our voting choices should be restricted by party affiliation.

You can register to vote at the polling place and vote same day.

If you are declared, I don't think you can change and vote the same day. I haven't specifically looked into your question because it has no relevance to me as an undeclared.
In the 2020 primaries I have a friend who was going to vote in the republican primary but had declared declared democrat in the past so she only had the option to vote in the democrat primary. She has since declared independent and this primary season she was able to choose which one she wanted to vote in. So if theat is possible then it is very new.

That's weird, I simply asked for the Democrat ballot in the 2016 primaries and did nothing to change my republican "affiliation". They handed me the ballot.

Maryland has a closed primary and you have to be registered by the deadline and affiliated with a party to vote in the primary. This does a good job of keeping the same party in power. I am registered to vote in the majority primary so I can have some small say in what happens in this state.

Closed primaries and gerrymandering keep this state so deeply blue its heart is black.

When I walked in they took my name and address etc, then said you are unaffiliated. Do you want to vote republican or democrat?
Don't know what would have happened had I been affiliated.

It varies by State. Some states, you have to be a declared party member, other states you can pick a party to vote for when you show up. other states have a list of candidates from either party.

There are a few weird permutations that can also apply, some state may have rank choice voting where say the top 2 candidates go to the general. Or if you have been registered as a political party you can get on the ballot.

The most restrictive States, you have to declare or change parties prior to election day.

Part of the Freedom to Vote act, and/or John Lewis Voting rights bill was targeted to standardize the mess, but went nowhere without the 60 votes required in the Senate.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/primary-types.aspx

The link describes the primary type for your state in general terms.

This is an effort to keep people from voting in the primaries of the OTHER SIDE. If you choose unaffiliated, you would probably have gotten a ballot with just the issues, no primary candidates. Imagine a few million dems voting in the GOPer primary for the most centrist candidates, or the most unelectable in a field of good candidates. Republicans were accused of doing this to help make Bernie the candidate in 2020 by the left... but it was just the centrist establishment playing games on the progressives to keep them from repeating 2016. They were truly NEVER going to let Bernie win. Then Hillary used the excuse after she got smoked by Trump in 2016, after Obama came from nowhere and beat her the first time. Now it's a thing both sides seem to worry about. I don't see how they can prevent it though, because you can change parties at anytime.

DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms

https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

Screw the DNC. This is why progressives need their own party.

Lol. I did it in 2016 to vote for Bernie, he was fresh of a huge victory in Xichigan and Killery was sweating bullets! We all know how that worked out... and how it was Groundhog Day again, four years later.

Fate, do you live in Ohio?
That would certainly explain the different experiences we had. I don't know if you noticed it or not in my1st post but I live in NC.
The way you responded, I presumed you were in NC too, but then noticed Champion Ohio by your avatar

Yes. I live in OH.

I paid to attention to your location either.

j/c:

IIRC, it varies by state AND by party. When I was in California, I was registered as an Independent. I was able to vote in Dem primaries, but not Republican.

JMHO, Donald Trump will be the end of the Republican Party as a major political party- it has happened already. He and his "followers" have lied so much no one can keep up. Conspiracy theories hatch every thirty minutes, he's started all kinds of truth media outlets- because you can't read, watch, hear, think about anything the "left" offers- they aren't real Americans, just like there are thousands/ no millions of RINOs.....he has sure screwed the Republican party. MAGA sure seems hollow as real Republicans rub elbows with white supremacists who distain basic rights for others.....WOW, talk about embracing the fringe of society.....Greene is the best we can do....pray for us.

That's the thing about the question of when was America "greater"? Saying Make America Great Again means there must be some time frame for when you believed Americas was much greater than it is now. So the question has often been asked when that was? When exactly are you talking about?

For some the answer becomes clearer if people pay attention. It's obvious that those in the white supremacist community and those who support them and tolerate them to gain their votes must think that was before slavery ended. For others maybe before civil rights were ratified? Those who welcome them, "There are good people on both sides", who cater to them and openly support the white replacement theory now exist on FOX News, in the halls of congress and continue to be elected.

So yeah, MAGA is an open ended slogan that could mean different time periods to different people. And we know what that time period is for some of the MAGA crowd.

At least he caught himself.

Trump pays contempt fine

Donald Trump has paid the $110,000 fine levied after he was held in contempt by a New York judge. He has not yet filed more than a dozen affidavits due today to purge the contempt finding, but a source with his legal team confirmed to CBS News that they intend to.

Trump was held in contempt April 25 after failing to comply with a subpoena requiring he turn over documents to investigators conducting a sprawling civil financial fraud probe for New York Attorney General Letitia James. The subpoena sought documents related to Trump's personal finances, as well as information related to the financing of several properties. Trump was fined $10,000 per day through May 6, the date of his most recent attempt to satisfy Judge Arthur Engoron's demands.

In response to the May 6 filing, Engoron halted the fine and suspended the contempt finding, but said he was still unsatisfied with Trump's explanation of how he and his attorneys managed to find zero documents that complied with the subpoena.

Engoron gave Trump until May 20 to file a long list of additional affidavits detailing his attorneys' search for records and electronic devices, and explanations of the Trump Organization's document retention and destruction policies. Trump and his company were also required to cooperate with a long-delayed court mandated discovery effort by a third party company tasked with sorting through years of corporate records. The firm completed its discovery on Thursday, the same day Trump's payment was delivered.

After Trump's team submits the affidavits, Engoron will decide if they satisfy the terms of the subpoena for which Trump was held in contempt. If they are not satisfactory, the contempt finding can be reinstated retroactive to May 7, meaning Trump would owe an additional $130,000.

James' office had demanded documents and data from specific file locations and personnel in the Trump Organization, but it had also noted that Trump failed to turn over several phones he had used. In the May 6 affidavit, Trump said he does not "know the whereabouts" of those phones, including a Samsung he used at the White House that he said, "was taken from me at some point while I was President."

Trump said in the May 6 filing that he currently has two phones, an iPhone "which I have owned for several years and is for my personal use," and a new phone used exclusively for posting to the social media network he has a licensing agreement with.

Trump and two of his children, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump, were ordered on February 17 to appear for depositions in James' long-running civil fraud probe. They appealed the order to appear, and are awaiting a decision on that appeal.

Trump did not challenge a separate part of that February 17 ruling in which he was ordered to comply with James' subpoena for documents. Engoron ordered Trump to comply by March 3, and later extended that deadline to March 31 — a date that was agreed to by both sides at the time.

Trump did not turn over documents that day, and raised objections Engoron and James' office said should have been addressed months before, leading to the contempt finding.

James' office claimed in a February press release that its wide-ranging investigation has collected evidence "showing that Donald J. Trump and the Trump Organization used fraudulent and misleading financial statements to obtain economic benefit." The initial focus of the probe was on whether the Trump Organization inflated the valuations of assets while seeking loans and insurance coverage, and deflated their value to reduce tax liability.

Trump has repeatedly denied all allegations of personal and company wrongdoing.

Attorneys for James' office have indicated during multiple hearings in the last month that the investigation is nearing its conclusion, and that it may lead to an "enforcement action." They have not elaborated on what enforcement might be.

"There's clearly been a substantial amount of evidence amassed that could support the filing of an enforcement proceeding, although the final determination on filing that proceeding has yet to be made," Andrew Amer, a litigator for James' office, said during a hearing last week.

Two attorneys from James' office remain assigned to a separate Manhattan District Attorney's criminal probe of Trump and his company, for which a special grand jury recently expired.

That investigation led in July 2021 to criminal fraud and tax evasion charges against the Trump Organization and its CFO, Allen Weisselberg. They filed a motion to dismiss in February, and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg is expected to respond to that motion this month.

Two leading prosecutors, Carey Dunne and Mark Pomerantz, resigned in February, less than two months after newly elected Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg took office. Bragg succeeded Cyrus Vance Jr., who launched the investigation in August 2018.

In Pomerantz's resignation letter, which was published in The New York Times, Pomerantz wrote that Vance "concluded that the facts warranted prosecution," but that Bragg had "reached the decision … not to seek criminal charges at the present time."

Bragg said in an April 7 statement that the criminal investigation "is continuing" and his investigators and prosecutors are "exploring evidence not previously explored."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...355AMQj_xGNRHRwnB_JdQFpAUC8dgOw7vnu2hQDo

Cawthorn says ‘it’s time for the rise of the new right’ after primary loss

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cawthorn-says-time-rise-primary-224147607.html

this line is nuts:

“It’s time for the rise of the new right, it’s time for Dark MAGA to truly take command. We have an enemy to defeat, but we will never be able to defeat them until we defeat the cowardly and weak members of our own party. Their days are numbered. We are coming,” he wrote. It was unclear which enemy he was referring to.

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hey conservatives and trump supporters, can you please explain to me what 'Dark MAGA' means?

No, I can't. Never been a Cawthorn fan, don't know what he says. Don't care.

That is the first time I have heard the phrase. Sounds like something the Democrats would make up like Super Duper MAGA.

All I can say about it is You Can't Unring the Mental Illness Bell. Glad the guy lost.

One anonymous Republican Congress member told Fox News Digital this week that Cawthorn "earned his loss" and that the congressman "did it to himself."

Yes there are many sane Republicans left. Even many of those, instead of speaking out will remain unnamed sources because the crazies will punish them if they do. Just ask Liz Cheney.

Improved it for you IT must suck to get death threats from your own base...

Hey Dawg, how did your testimony go today???

No idea what you are talking about 40. Was this to me?

Marine held captive in Russia condemns 'embarrassing' stunt by Marjorie Taylor Greene

Stephen Proctor
Tue, May 24, 2022, 3:34 AM·2 min read

On The Lead With Jake Tapper, Monday, a portion of Tapper’s interview with Trevor Reed and his family aired, in which, they voiced displeasure with the actions of Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. Reed is the former Marine who returned to the U.S. following a prisoner swap with Russia last month after spending 985 days in a Russian prison on bogus charges. Legislation pushing for Reed’s release was delayed last year due to Greene and other House Republicans.

“I’m gonna go to every single one of their campaigns and thank them personally about that,” Reed said. “Thank them for hurting your ability to get out of prison?” Tapper asked. “Yeah,” Reed said, “thank them for voting against a bill that was only about getting American political prisoners out of Russia. How do you justify that?”

Reed went on to speculate that Russians were pleased with the actions of Greene and the others.

“That’s embarrassing to me that anyone who represents the United States would vote against something like that,” Reed said. “I’m sure that the Russians love that. I’m sure that they’re all big fans of all of those congressmen.”

Reed is now advocating for the release of other Americans held in Russia, including Paul Whelan, the Marine veteran who has spent over 40 months in a Russian prison on alleged espionage charges. Reed promised retribution for anyone in Congress who delays the release of other American prisoners as Greene did.

“I better not ever see that happen again to any other Americans,” Reed said, “because I promise that I will be at every single campaign that that person runs for the rest of their life to tell everyone that they did that.”


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...by-marjorie-taylor-greene-073437078.html

This is how we're going to have to rid ourselves of Trumpism. In their face shouting them down when they are out spreading their lies and hate. Shine a light on the evil they do and let the voters see them for who they really are.

[img]https://twitter.com/jayobtv/status/1532717922526842882?s=20&t=qxh8Z9RmUeHzMk5ZWvIyvA[/img]



DeSantis not only hate Mickey Mouse, but he also hates Special Olympics too. smh

Uhhh... he hates them?

He just made sure all of the athletes are able to compete!

Or he put a high risk population at even higher risk
Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe

It's kinda funny watching you defend big evil corporations.

Special Olympics is your idea of a big evil corporation?

Disney

Desantis is just like trump... Do it my way or I'll find a way to make your life miserable.... He plays to his base and to hell with right and wrong..

Thanks for the update.

The COVID laws in Florida are simple. The difference between FLA and the rest of the country is laws are laws.

The laws in Florida? You mean like interfering in the rights of business and The Special Olympics from setting their own requirements and guidelines and handing out punitive punishments to them fthey don't comply? Hell Disney didn't even break any laws. All they did was say something DeSantis didn't like and he punished them. You know, it's that cancel culture BS you keep accusing the left of.

You see, people with severe illnesses and disabilities are often times immune compromised. Their resistance to Covid is far less than the rest of us and often have much more severe cases of it. God help us if someone tries to help protect them. The pro lifers would never allow that.

What kind of punishments? Punitive punishments? Yeah, those are the worst kind, eh?

I won't even try to unpack everything that is wrong with your paragraph, but lets start here... Nobody is saying they can't be vaccinated! Why is there always some rush to shame and virtue signal whenever anyone mentions vaccination. Did DeSantis say they are not allowed to be vaccinated??? Seems like they can all make their own choices about vaccination and risk factors without excluding anyone. NOT THAT VACCINATION WILL PREVENT ANY ILLNESS ANYWAY.

And yes, if the law of the land is nobody can be denied participation or employment because of vaccination status then you have a simple choice... And there is a whole wide world to choose from if you don't like Florida.

Go ahead and explain how DeSantis "punished" Disney... this will be fun. Disney punished Disney as they are a California company stupid enough to think they are going to tell a Florida governor how to run his state. Now they've lost their special privilege that has them allowed them to basically self-govern any way they see fit for over 50 years.

Don't you usually speak out against corporate privilege? Or only when it goes against your narrative?

You seem to lack the understanding that many with disabilities are immune compromised. Eh, but who cares about them, right? No need to help protect the most vulnerable among us because "mah rights!"

And Disney doesn't hate gays. So there's that.

Marjorie Taylor Greene hires Milo Yiannopoulos — a 37-year-old 'ex-gay' former Breitbart editor once disinvited from CPAC for 'condoning pedophilia' — as an intern

Bryan Metzger
Mon, June 6, 2022, 2:22 PM·4 min read

He lost much of his following in 2017 after making favorable comments about sexual relations between boys and older men.

Now, he's been hired by a congresswoman who's accused pro-LGBTQ Democrats of being "groomers."

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia has hired Milo Yiannopoulos, a 37-year-old former Breitbart editor and "alt-right" activist, as an intern in her official Washington, DC office.

"Mummy always said I'd end up in government!" Yiannopoulos wrote on his Telegram account on Monday.

Greene confirmed the hiring to Insider in a defensive statement that included a transphobic remark about Democratic Rep. Marie Newman of Illinois' trans daughter.

"So I have an intern that was raped by a priest as a young teen, was gay, has offended everyone at some point, turned his life back to Jesus and Church, and changed his life," she said. "Great story!"

"I've finally been persuaded out of retirement. But my skills are a bit rusty, so the best role I could land was an unpaid internship with a friend," Yiannopoulos also wrote on Telegram. "Pray for me!"

The hiring, first reported by Right Wing Watch, marks something of a career change for the one-time online provocateur, who saw his following crater after controversial comments about sexual relationships between younger and older men surfaced in 2017.

"I think particularly in the gay world, and outside the Catholic Church — if that's where some of you want to go with this — I think in the gay world some of the most important, enriching and incredibly life-affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men," he said in a 2016 podcast. "They can be hugely positive experiences."

Those comments and others surfaced by the conservative "Reagan Battalion" Twitter account led to Yiannopoulos being disinvited from the Conservative Political Action Conference that year for "condoning pedophilia."

He also lost a book deal and resigned from Breitbart shortly thereafter. He had been hired at Breitbart by then-executive chairman Steve Bannon in 2014.

Yiannopoulos, who identified at the time as gay, now calls himself "ex-gay" and claimed last year to be building a conversion therapy clinic in Florida.

"I treat it like an addiction," Yiannopoulos told LifeSiteNews of his prior sexuality. "You never stop being an alcoholic."

He also said his husband — who he described merely as "the guy I live with" — had "been demoted to housemate."

Yiannopoulos has also made a slew of other provocative comments, including describing both Islam and feminism as "cancers."

Last year, he joined the right-wing Catholic website Church Militant as a regular contributor, where his biography page describes him as a "reformed sodomite."

It is unclear exactly when Yiannopoulos was hired as an intern for the far-right congresswoman, though he was present at her April 28 press conference in which she discussed Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, a bill to reform Section 230, and called for the reinstatement of her Twitter account.

The staff ID posted on his Telegram indicates that his internship will last until August 5.

Greene, for her part, has frequently accused Democrats and others favorable to LGBTQ rights as being "groomers."


She's also currently one of two members of Congress — the other being Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona — to have been stripped of her committee assignments for her own past controversies.

More recently, she's faced criticism even from her own party for speaking at a white nationalist conference in Florida.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-hires-milo-182218969.html

Go no further than the headline to understand a piece of advice My Pops gave me, back when I was in high school.


"People behave just like water in nature... water always seeks its own level."

I stopped reading after the headline because I already knew that the text would only bear Dad's truth out in details that wouldn't add to my quality of life.
People like these are inescapable to a certain degree- they're part of the news cycle/audible wallpaper that is daily life. Beyond that level of intrusion, I control how much of them I allow. Mostly, that valve is shut down good and tight.

Wow...

Unofficial BS, but ever so fitting.

"only children we care about are the one's going to private school from the donors that pay us" - republican politicians.

This tweet sums it up. They really are trying to create the handmaid's tale's "Republic of New Gilead" in America.

The gift that just keeps on giving.....

She obviously doesn't listen to the noises that spiil out of that hole at the bottom of her face.

Gays will make straights extinct. Just exactly how is that supposed to work?

This math doesn't work very well...

She hears herself, she's just so stupid that she doesn't realize she's stupid, let alone how stupid she truly is... You can't unleash this kind of idiot with a powerful political platform for her particular brand of lunatic mouth diarrhea. No good can come from that, and she proves me right with consistent regularity.

I can't say I blame you for not keeping up, but I'll explain their methodology to you...

It's cause them thar teachers are recruiting them in the schools! Thar a tryin to make em' think gay is popular and cool! These damned liberal teachers are a trying to convert are kids into bein' gay damn it!

That's just one portion of it. That's why they're trying to take over school boards around the country. That's why they are trying to censor books and dictate that teachers can't even bring up any subject about being gay. Because you know, if we don't talk about it, it isn't real. Sort of like trying to censor our nation's history. We can't go around letting our kids learn the entire truth. Only the parts that make us look good and that won't make "the sinners" look like a normal part of our society.

#cancelculture

As a single straight guy, I wish there were more gay guys. They tend to be fit and personable.
Take that guy out of the competition for single women? I'm all for that.

Eggxactly.

Louisiana ban on transgender athletes competing in girls, women’s sports becomes law

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...ting-in-girls-womens-sports-becomes-law/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/blake-masters-blames-gun-violence-on-black-people-frankly

When in doubt, blame the minorities. And people actually voted for this dude in the primaries. But they’ll will swear up and down they’re not racist.

Ever notice that the more racist these clowns are, the more votes they get from conservatives?

Like seriously I’m so sick and tired of this crap. These freaking MAGA hatters and common conservatives constantly moan about us liberals not being nice and not understanding their views. But every single time ANYTHING happens in this country, they constantly talk about people who look like me as if we’re not even human. As if we’re not even Americans.

But we’re supposed to just be good boys and be docile and non threatening. Meanwhile conservatives can literally storm federal buildings and school board districts and be considered patriots. Especially white conservatives.

White conservatives can cry about this country all the time. But the moment anybody who looks like me says something about this country, we need to go back to Africa. Calling us all kinds of monkeys and apes.

Well, guess what conservatives? Monkey see, monkey do. So imma start speaking with pure disdain for white conservatives the same exact way y’all talk about me.

Don’t complain either. You absolutely earned it.

Are you including me in your assessment of conservatives? I want to know.

Depends. You still think Obama is a foreign born Muslim? Do you think black people are the bane to your existence?

Have I ever said that, thought that? Thanks. I know where we stand. I'm a white conservative, therefore, I must be hated?

Then it must be so. Y’all vote for racist, then you hate me. Gonna show that same energy. Trump started his campaign claiming Obama was a foreign born Muslim. That was fine with you. He said there were good people on both sides during a racist protest. You voted for him again.

Why should I love people who hate me?

For years, you always react to my reaction instead of reacting to the racism. What message do you honestly think you’ve been sending me throughout the years when you do that?

More concerned about my reaction than the comments coming from the conservative block you belong to. I’ve told you before, I don’t blame these racist politicians anymore. I blame the people that vote for them.

These dudes are out and about with their racism. You still vote Republican. These dudes are out and about with their disdain toward womens autonomy over their own body. You still vote Republican. These dudes are out and about with their conspiracies, especially toward non white people. You still vote Republican. These dudes are out and about with their hatred toward the LBGT. You still vote Republican.

Your actions say you hate me. So guess what? Monkey see, monkey do.

And by the way, you STILL haven’t reacted to the MAGA candidates comments. I can only go off what I see and don’t see. And for years, you never call them out.

What message do you think I’m receiving from you and other conservatives when you care more about my reaction to racism than the actual racist?

He also didn't directly answer "no" to the questions you posed. Just two letters yet he couldn't bring himself to type them on his keyboard.

Oh, my bad. To make larry happy, NO, I do not think Obama is a foreign born muslim.

And, we're done. Your mind is made up about me.

Ok that’s fine.

Anyways,

‘These people should be put to death’: DFW pastor calls for LGBT people to be executed

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-put-death-dfw-pastor-030946961.html

“What does God say is the answer, is the solution for the homosexual in 2022, here in the New Testament, here in the book of Romans? That they are worthy of death,” preacher Dillon Awes of Stedfast Baptist Church in Watauga said in a Sunday sermon.

“These people should be put to death,” Awes continued. “Every single homosexual in our country should be charged with a crime, the abomination of homosexuality that they have, they should be convicted in a lawful trial, they should be sentenced to death, they should be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head.”

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I can see why Christian’s are despised by more and more of our citizens everyday. In order to be a Christian, you have to hate every non-Christian and fear the god who claims to love you.

Here’s yet another god fearing conservatives wishing to use big government to punish those who simply live differently than him. And yet they swear up and down they’re about small government.

A bunch of psychos doing the work of Satan himself. It’s hilarious that people who are a part of Satanism act more Christian like than the actual self-proclaimed Christian’s in this country.

I now instantly assume any Christian that says they are about family values are a bunch of demonic liars.

Oh wow…

House Republicans Suggest More Prayers Would Solve Mass Shooting Problem

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-republicans-suggest-more-prayers-023243841.html

I didn’t know about this one:

“They’re disgusted hearing about prayers,” he said.

“Look, maybe if we heard more prayers from leaders of this country instead of taking God’s name in vain, we wouldn’t have the mass killings like we didn’t have before prayer was eliminated from school,” he added.

Scalise used a similar line of reasoning in a news conference, arguing that “we had AR-15s in the 1960s. We didn’t have those mass school shootings.”

“We actually had prayer in school during those days,” he said.

In 1957, for example ― five years before the Supreme Court struck down state-sponsored prayers in public schools in 1962 ― an all-white Nashville elementary school was bombed a day after a Black child was admitted. White church members had been leading a violent crusade to oppose the integration of the city’s public schools.

The AR-15 was first produced two years later, in 1959, predominantly for use by the military. It wasn’t until the 1980s that civilian models were mass produced.

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So conservatives god fearing church members bombed a school simply because some kid that looked like me was admitted there.

You Christians sure love violence. There is no difference between you and any of the clowns I shot at in the Middle East.

Wow. Bombed a freaking school…..

You know what? I have a question for 3 specific individuals that I respect on this board, because I already know the answer from the other guys on the left and right here.

Oob, dawg05, and Purp.

Scenario: Christian’s get violent and gain more power across American government in their attempts to change our country into a theocracy. They’ve determined to homosexuality is illegal, segregation is back, and that anybody who doesn’t convert is gonna get deported or imprisoned if they don’t cooperate.

We all live in the same neighborhood, and all 4 of us are armed to the teeth prior to this happening.

If those authorities try to deport my family and I, or seek to imprison me, will you help defend me, or let them take me away?

I await the response.

If Christian’s truly believed prayer stopped bullets then the Pope wouldn’t drive around in an armored car under a bullet proof glass bubble.

Bang, bang.
Splish, splash.
Thoughts, prayers.
Rinse, repeat.

This is all we can ever expect. Nothing will even be attempted, because those in charge don't really care.

Thanks Curly.

Christofascism. Yalliban.

That is ignorant, even if you aren't.

People don't pray to stop bullets. It goes way deeper than that.

You’re right. Not just prayers… thoughts and prayers.

you think it's prayers? i think maybe it's just thoughts. like, a passing thought and back to business as usual.

I just wish they’d attack abortion with the same tactic. I mean if it works for stopping the shooting of school age children then it totally should work for protecting unwanted cell clumps.

remember when republican voters pretended like they were being censored by big tech?

Trump’s Truth Social Is Banning Users Who Post About Jan. 6 Hearings, According to Reports

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-truth-social-banning-users-164736257.html

incoming Trump Bankruptcy in 3, 2......

That's funny - I don't care what side of any issue you are on.

I guess my question would be does that surprise anyone? Anyone who ever questions him gets canceled. Then they point the finger at the other side for the same thing. They're hilarious!

Good lord….

‘Ultra-Maga’: the Trump-backed Ohio Republican candidate who attacked the Capitol

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ultra-maga-trump-backed-ohio-070011794.html

Another psycho running not for America, but for Trump.

So now we have Dark and Ultra MAGA. Is there a super-duper MAGA? Maybe an “omg, it’s MAGA time!” MAGA? Megatron MAGA? Shadow MAGA?

I swear conservatives just be out here cosplaying now.

I saw that the other day,, can't say I'm surprised. It's what Trumpians do.. If they don't like the news, they call it fake.

Trump is pushing Q candidates for their devout "Trump is everything" brainwashing. I can't wait to see him in jail.

Republican Rep. Tom Rice who voted for Trump's impeachment says the ex-president is 'purging' the GOP and trying to turn the party into a 'bunch of yes-men loyalists'
Bryan Metzger
Tue, June 14, 2022, 11:26 AM·3 min read


He told Politico that the ex-president is "purging" the GOP into "a bunch of yes-men loyalists."

Rice has frequently compared Trump's actions on and around January 6 to that of a dictator.

Republican Rep. Tom Rice of South Carolina says former President Donald Trump is "purging" the GOP amid his own fight for his political life against a primary challenger on Tuesday.

Rice was one of 10 House Republicans that voted to impeach Trump following the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol.

"He's purging. He's purging. He's trying to set the Republican Party up as a bunch of yes-men loyalists," Rice told Politico in a recent interview. "Think about that. That's scary."

Rice now faces a primary challenge from South Carolina state Rep. Russell Fry, who's been endorsed by the former president. A recent Trafalgar Group poll showed Fry leading Rice by more than 17 points in South Carolina's conservative 7th district.

The incumbent 5-term congressman also told Politico that he didn't think Trump was a threat to democracy until the January 6 attack.

"He hadn't shown himself to be a tyrant before that," he said. "I don't think he was a tyrant before that. I do think he's a narcissist. He craves attention. He hates to lose."

"I wish he had won," Rice added. "I wish he had won, because then January 6 wouldn't have happened."

The South Carolina Republican is just the latest target of Trump's ire; he's endorsed primary challengers to other Republicans that voted to impeach him, including Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming.

In the year and a half since then, Rice has spoken up to compare Trump's actions leading up to January 6 with that of a dictator.

"If the president, by force, can intimidate Congress into voting their way, then we might as well do away with Congress and hand it over to a king," Rice said in an interview with the Washington Post in May 2021. "What he did in my mind is what dictators do."

And following a Trump rally in South Carolina in March, Rice issued a statement condemning his primary opponent, Fry, as someone who "supports a would-be tyrant over the Constitution" and "makes decisions based solely on re-election."

Rice also told Politico that he believes former House Speaker Paul Ryan, who recently campaigned with Rice in South Carolina, would have voted to impeach Trump if he'd been in the House at the time.

"I have a lot of respect for Paul," said Rice.

Ryan, for his part, recently told a group of supporters in South Carolina that most other Republicans didn't have the "guts" to vote to impeach Trump like Rice did.

"There were a lot of people who wanted to vote like Tom but who just didn't have the guts to do it," said Ryan, according to the Myrtle Beach Sun News. "There are a lot of people who say they're going to vote their conscience, they're going to vote for the Constitution, they're going to vote for their convictions but when it gets hard to do that they don't do it."

But despite Rice's outspokenness on Trump, he recently said he'd consider supporting him again if he apologized for his role in provoking the January 6 attack.

"There's one way: if he apologized," Rice said on ABC News. "If he came out and said: I'm sorry that I made a huge mistake on January 6th, then I might consider it."



https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-rep-tom-rice-voted-152654940.html

New Mexico county commission cites Dominion voting machines in refusing to certify June 7 primary results

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/dc3...8f2ef9/new-mexico-county-commission.html

so now the GOP candidates are whining about voting systems...against other GOP candidates.

i remember in 2016 when trump won and STILL claimed it was rigged. this is beyond pathetic.

He always said if he lost it was rigged. He said it when he ran against Hillary. He said it when he ran against Biden. I call it the "heads I win, tails you lose" strategy. And his ardent supporters ate it up. They still do no matter how much factual evidence they are presented with. That sounds more like a cult than a political party.

gotta love the nuances of what and how people believe. Evangelicals really have become batcrap crazy, and perverted christianity overall.

JMHO, It doesn't matter what the Democrats do......I'm a registered Independent after 50 years as a card carrying Republican. I think the American people 9/10 of the time VOTE their pocketbooks and they will in the midterms.....the Democrats are going to get smoked. Republicans can put monkey up against the Democrats....and they have.....and they'll still win. The rate change wasn't done soon enough to make a difference.

question:

what were the mortgage rates back in your prime? is low interest rate mortgage really a more recent thing, and the rates have always been higher?

also, could you describe the purchasing power between then and now? i'm asking with real sincerity, because i want to learn what was vs what people think it was back then.

And did you hear Uncle Joe and Pete Buttigieg had a baby out of wedlock? Joe tried to have an abortion but, and I quote, "Petey baby Christmas chicken ice cream".

No clue what you are talking about, is that a SuperBrown quote? That video on Boebert is full of disclaimers from TYT just reporting what the PAC that took down Madison Cawthorn is now saying about her. Sorry if you don't like reports on your peeps.

He's just playing the troll role.

4 Veterans and a National Guard Cadet Among Members of White Supremacist Group Arrested in Idaho

https://www.yahoo.com/news/4-veterans-national-guard-cadet-171803633.html

At least five members of the white supremacist group Patriot Front who were arrested near an Idaho Pride event last week had a military background -- one is a current member of the National Guard -- continuing the disturbing trend of military members and veterans playing key roles in extremist groups and being charged with crimes.

Winston Durham was among the 31 members of the far-right group authorities say were packed inside a U-Haul truck, wearing their signature khakis, blue shirts, beige hats and white masks and allegedly planning to disrupt the Pride event. The men had shin guards, riot shields and a smoke grenade. All were charged with conspiracy, a misdemeanor.

Durham serves as a cadet in the Idaho Army National Guard's 1-148 Field Artillery Regiment. He enlisted into the National Guard in February 2019 and became a cadet in January 2020 through Washington State University's Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or ROTC, program. He has been placed on leave pending the outcome of his criminal case, an Army spokesperson told Military.com.

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what a disappointment.

Yep, those guys will lose their benefits, retirement, etc over this.

The sad part most likely they’ll have no introspection and they’ll blame losing everything on ‘the gays’. Further making them rage-full douches with little to lose.

That's exactly what happened with this guy. I don't know if he blamed his arrest on "the gays" but he's even more committed to his cause now...

Mother says her son’s hateful ideology sickens her after he was arrested with alleged Patriot Front group

Karen Amsden hoped that being arrested and accused of criminal conspiracy to riot would change her son’s heart. When he stood by his hateful views, she says she told him to get out of her house.

Jared Boyce was one of 31 men arrested in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, on Saturday as they gathered near a Pride parade. Police said they believed all are affiliated with or part of the White nationalist Patriot Front group and were planning to “antagonize and cause disorder,” according to a court filing.

Boyce, 27, posted bond, and went back to his home in Provo, Utah, his mother told CNN. It’s unclear whether he has entered a plea.

Asked by his mother whether he would talk to CNN, Boyce declined.

“When he came back from this weekend in Idaho, I was hoping after spending some time in jail that maybe this will be a wake-up call for him like to question, ‘What is this group that I’ve been involved [with], where’s this really getting me,'” she said.

But when she saw him, Amsden said her son stood by the group and its plans.

She said he told her, “We were there to prevent them from grooming children. We were doing what we thought was right.”

Her son had instead become more entrenched in a White nationalist group, she said. And that became a wake-up call for her and how she would be with her son, who had been living in her basement since his marriage broke up, she said.

“That’s when I said … you can’t live in my house and be doing this kind of stuff and putting this kind of hate out into the world and putting yourself in danger,” she told CNN of her confrontation with her son. “You need to move out of my house.”

Amsden said she did not know what else to do, having reached the end of her tether with her son. She said he was raised with love and had friends of different ethnicities and cultures before he became involved with extremists and started to spout their views.

“That’s not who I am and it makes me sick to listen to it and sicker to know that this is coming from my son,” she said.

Boyce is next scheduled to appear for an arraignment on the misdemeanor charge of criminal conspiracy in August, Idaho court records show.

https://ksltv.com/496299/mother-say...rested-with-alleged-patriot-front-group/

Had to look that little boy up... Zack Zwiezen gaming reporter.

Musk isn't paying .25Trillion for talking about Dogecoin on the internet. Go back to sleep Zacky.

I have no idea what you're talking about. The person suing Musk is Keith Johnson, an investor. Or is it who's reporting the story? Because major news outlets are reporting it too.

Elon Musk sued for $258 billion over alleged Dogecoin pyramid scheme

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trans...eged-dogecoin-pyramid-scheme-2022-06-16/

Reuters isn't Zack Zwiezen. I understand that in today's society the facts don't matter as long as you can undermine who it is reporting them.

Lol. We'll see how the "facts" work out, Pitt.

When you report something and sound like an INFANT by calling someone names and making fun of them, I'll call you out for the dolt that you are.

Yes, reporting that Musk was sued is such a terrible thing. I mean if we're discussing the thought process of a dolt.

Anybody can file a lawsuit against anybody, but that doesn't mean it has legs or will stand. I do however think Musk may be in a little trouble with this one, just not $258 billion worth. I thought he was nuts when he was saying some of the crap he said over crypto, and he was doing his best Trump impersonation driving some coins values with his ridiculous tweeting. That said, I would be surprised if he got in some SEC trouble and or is found to have falsely inflated values resulting in fines and a much smaller settlement on this lawsuit. No idea what that would look like, but I doubt seriously it will be billions. Much of that will depend on what these somewhat shady actions did for his bottom line.

I used to think of the world of Elon Musk for his business and product innovation. Yet, since a few months before he got high on the Rogan show, he's been on a downward trajectory as somebody you could respect. I'd like to know what's behind all the changes he's going through in his public persona, let alone his private life.

It is a tactic that actually says he doesn't have a real argument to make, but he wants something to fight about.

Yep. As per usual. I mean, anyone with 12 brain cells can read right through it.

His goal post moving and strawman arguments are one of the weirdest fetishes I've ever witnessed on the web.

Texas GOP party adopts anti-LGBTQ platform, refers to being gay as ‘abnormal’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-gop-party-adopts-anti-212145635.html

And Texas just declared open season on the LBGT community. And they placed the framework to target other minorities as well.

Somebody call the Mexican president and tell them they can have Texas back.

Honestly… we should’ve never allowed the confederate states to rejoin the union. One of the worst decisions in US history.

Throw the whole south away. You know Florida and the rest of the trash Bible Belt states are following suit.

What a winning policy: stomp down even harder on people who've only known boot prints all their lives.

You wanna know why I support these people who ain't like Swish and Clem? It's not because I'm some flaming ultra-liberal. It's not because I want to 'stick it in the eye' of some right wing online political opponent. I support these fellow Americans because generations of Americans stood up for My Family in the face of the same vile crap. Because My Family stood up in the face of this crap. And because other Americans stood up for My Family, and because I was taught to stand up for myself, I see it as my patriotic duty to stand up for them.

I swear to God, these people represent the absolute antithesis of everything I was ever raised, taught, trained or inspired to aspire to. If this is now their new politics in place of what we've always been told were true Conservative principles/values, I fully expect a good number of traditionally reliable Republican voters to begin finding other places for their votes. Those votes may not be for D's, but votes certainly away from this new movement rising under the red tent. As this new bunch keeps taking over (on levels local through federal), the good people that you & I have always known will reach a Day Of Reckoning: stay and fight, or politically relocate to some new party upwind of this current smell.

**UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT**

...and that's gonna hurt our friends. Both immediately, and for a long time.

Because I'm afraid the old Elephant they've always known and loved is in danger of being taken out by a rogue who's ready to repopulate their herd. At that point, each and every one of our friends will have to take a gut check... and decide whether they wish to support the principles of the revolutionary society that was born upon these shores, or become subsumed into a growing movement toward malignant nationalism. I don't envy them their situation.

The very people I'm describing- the very people you & I have always known and enjoyed good relations with- are the very people upon whom this society's future hinges.

Only they can stop what is happening in front of our eyes.
At some point, The Good Ones who are really honest with themselves are going to reach that point when they must either draw a line... or get in line.


I'm watching to see who be which, among our ranks.


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Yeah, I saw they wouldn't let the Log Cabin Republicans join their little meeting. Guess that's what they do when they are about to put the knife in your back. And people wonder why I've been calling them fascist. It's just a matter of time before they declare open season on the entire left and anybody that's not a Christian white supremacist. How do you move forward with these people? Old school Republicans need to clean house before the Nazis do.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Temp-Committee-ROUGH-FINAL-REPORT-6-15-2022.pdf

just in case people want to read this "temporary" platform, cause we all know most of it will be permanent. straight from the source, so nobody can claim liberal bias or any nonsense like that.

you guys are freaking crazy.

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/19/texas-gop-convention-maga

Texas Republicans ended a three-day convention Saturday with votes on a swath of proposed changes to their platform that would pull the party further right.

Why it matters: The revised platform is likely to preview some of the GOP's messaging going into the November midterms and 2024 election. It includes resolutions denying that President Biden legitimately won the 2020 election and a call to abolish abortions.

The big picture: Votes on the state's revised GOP platform are currently being tallied, the Texas Tribune reported.

If approved, the new party platform would include declaring homosexuality “an abnormal lifestyle choice," repealing the 16th Amendment that created the federal income tax, and mandating that Texas students "learn about the humanity of the preborn child,” in part by forcing students to listen to ultrasounds of gestating fetuses.
During the convention, Texas Republicans approved a resolution declaring that President Biden "was not legitimately elected," per the Tribune.
Attendees also voted on a measure urging "lawmakers to enact legislation to abolish abortion by immediately securing the right to life and equal proaction of the laws to all preborn children from the moment of fertilization," per Newsweek.
The platform also calls for the abolishment of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, opposes efforts to classify carbon dioxide as a pollutant, and supports prayer "being returned to our schools, courthouses, and other government buildings."

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literally in their platform that biden isn't the legitimate president. abolish the 1965 voting act, and we all know what that's code for...

ooooo here's a good one in their platform lmfao:

"Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto."

Biden, for the love of god sell Texas to the Mexicans, then build around around Texas. remove all federal funding, remove military bases, remove any federal agencies and programs out of Texas.

build the wall!! build the wall!!

To keep Texas in line, all you would have to do is make it known that you would kick the Cowboys out of the NFL should they succeed.

Man I read through that… holy hell. Yikes.
Woman as chattel. Good luck Texas/Gilliad.

You seem to forget that a woman successfully sued McDonald's because their coffee was too hot.

A court just ordered Geico to pay a woman 5.2 million dollars because she caught an STD in a car the owner had insured with Geico.

Don't sit here and play the fool. And let me know when you can put twelve brain cells together. You haven't managed to yet.

as a minority, i'm not really fearful of what the potential is.

but i actually feel WORSE for the LGBT and women than i do myself and others who are ethnic minorities. the GOP is declaring war on women's rights and LGBT communities. and those demographics are men, women, trans, regardless of ethnicity.

i wish i could do something other than just vote, bro. holy crap i can't imagine being part of those groups in a country where an increasing amount of people on the right don't even view you as human beings, nevermind fellow americans.

I made a comment that the "reporter" of an article about Musk being sued writes like an adolescent and is a "dolt". A "online gaming reporter" that calls Musk names throughout the article.

Your response is:


It's not that I forget, it's that I don't care. That crap has nothing to do with my comments. Once again, a feeble attempt to make counter-points to a discussion that never existed. Pitiful. This is less stimulating than an argument with my dog about the color of fire hydrants... I'll pass.

Have a great day!

Yet here you are.

That's pretty typical,, when outlandish statements like this are made the first thing someone does is question how/why... There is NEVER an answer.. All they want to do is make accusations,, but no back up to verify.

and for the MAGA crowd, that's enough.. within a week it will be gospel to them.

Here is a bit of a different perspective, but I am beginning to understand the rub that is going on today.

First, I will say that it is common sense to treat everyone equally, that is in the declaration of independence, and a fundamental concept that requires more work to be a more perfect union.

That said, there is something always on the Morning news and discussion where someone is complaining about something, and then we can't just watch a neutral segment, there has to be editorializing on someones behalf that drives the point home, although it may be an opinion that is not shared by all.

Two of the segments on GMA this morning were about how Juneteenth is not recognized by everyone state as a holiday. Now we already have MLK as a federal holiday, and there is employer angst about adding another paid holiday. However, at the end of the segment, Michael Strahan chirped in with an "I agree" that this should be a holiday for everyone.

The second was on the FINA ruling that transgendered athletes have to complete the process before puberty in order to compete. They interviewed Lia Thomas who competed as a college male, then transgendered, and competed as a female winning. Although Lia stated her case and objections, it was pretty obvious that Lia had transgendered post puberty, and has obvious physical advantages. I think FINA tried to get it right, and frankly I am concerned about the future of women's sports and Title IX in college athletics if this goes its course. I do believe that there should be separate mens and women's athletics, and that is more important to me, as it provides a larger group of women an access to education.

So yes, there are disparities in history, and we struggle with finding the right balance, but there are limits. And people are entitled to their opinions, but sometimes the benefits to the group as a whole outweigh the benefit to the individual. (Star Trek reference).

And driving the point home with your personal commentary may not be shared.

I understand what you're saying. We actually agree about the transgender athlete topic.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you though, that really doesn't quite cover what Clem was describing. History has taught us what happens when you start targeting minority groups in certain ways. Ways such as not being normal, being evil or cheating you of your way of life. And this is what it looks like.......

“an abnormal lifestyle choice,"

You'll love this one.....

Texas GOP adopts resolution rejecting 2020 election results

“We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States,” reads the resolution, passed by voice vote in Houston on Saturday. “We strongly urge all Republicans to work to ensure election integrity and to show up to vote in November of 2022, bring your friends and family, volunteer for your local Republicans, and overwhelm any possible fraud.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/20/poli...anshbIty681tBxkhEh9LswHL9L_KylEmlzMnsCyY

You don't have to go any further than the first few words to know what this is: "Affirming our belief in God".

You can throat punch a Nazi. Every time that happens, they crap their pants for weeks.

And NO GOPer better ever call me an Fn radical again! These people are certifiable.

I may have gone tangential.

To me the question has always been to try and find consistency..

To me, it is terrible to call something an abnormal lifestyle. I think the difference is I can accept it, just don't ask me to endorse it. And don't berate me because I may not share your willingness to advocate for your position.

That is why we have discrimination laws.

Pick a topic, LBGTQ, abortion, interracial marriage, etc, etc.

j/c

I wonder if Twitter taking this down is what the right considers silencing the opposition? I wonder if this is what they call free speech? I wonder if this is something Elon Musk would consider acceptable content?

Greitens campaign ad calls for "RINO hunting," faces social media backlash

JEFFERSON CITY — A U.S. Senate campaign ad for Republican Eric Greitens is facing backlash on social media for calling for "hunting RINOs," a pun on the animal, and the euphemism for "Republicans In Name Only."

In the advertisement, released Monday morning, former Missouri Governor Greitens totes a firearm and says he's going "RINO hunting," for his political opponents and approaches a house with the label "THE RINO's DEN."



The video advertisement then depicts people dressed as military operatives raiding the house with Greitens saying, "Join the MAGA crew, get a RINO hunting permit. There's no bagging limit, no tagging limit, and it doesn't expire until we save our country."

On Monday, Twitter had flagged the Greitens advertisement, saying it violated the Twitter Rules about abusive behavior. Users cannot share or like the tweet, but they can still access it via Greitens' account, as Twitter considered the tweet "may be in the public's interest."

The campaign ad went viral on Twitter, much of it critical of the former Governor. Upon publication of this article, "Greitens" was the number-two trend on Twitter in the United States.

Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action, a gun reform advocacy organization, tweeted about the campaign ad, saying, "he's threatening to kill his political opponents," while also noting several previous controversies involving the Senate candidate's political history.

Greitens' campaign team was not immediately available for comment.

In 2016, Greitens made a firearms-based advertisement for his gubernatorial campaign. In the ad, Greitens touted a firearm and said he would take "dead-aim at politics as usual," before firing the weapon.

https://krcgtv.com/news/local/greit...rino-hunting-faces-social-media-backlash

Maybe this is the "Dark MAGA" Madison Cawthorne was talking about. Yeah, they would never promote violence or in this case even murder, right?

I won't berate you. To a great extent I think we agree. I can't find consistency from either side. But I think that comes more from the different factions and opinions that there is among people in any given, and in this case both parties. You can ask a moderate Democrat their opinion and get a very different view than a progressive. Just as you can ask a moderate Republican their opinion and get a very different answer than you'll get from a MAGA.

Republican Eric Greitens should go straight to jail, do not pass go, lock him up and destroy the key.

So should every Texas GOP member that voted for that platform. You can't have these people running around, they are dangerous AF.

I was not directing the berate comment at you individually.

The berate comment was happens when those on the far extremes target those in the middle to try and get them to adopt a more extreme position.

Side note, A bit of irony about the Greitens information is exactly what I am alluding to. Those who are on the extreme try to force the electorate to adopt more extreme position, and the extreme position becomes the new normal.

And this is why we have a GOP that is further right than before.

The Texas GOP wants all Civil War statues taken down in the state restored.

it's clear there is no reasoning with the republican voters today, especially in the south.

i guess we can start calling them what they truly are: Neo-confederate states, with Texas leading the charge.

i'd say let texas secede. they always threatening to do it, so we should encourage it. I really want to see if any of these conservatives actually have the ability to follow through with it.

and, what a great place to start their ethnostate. plenty of real estate in texas, so it shouldn't be a problem.

i'm dead ass serious. i want to see what that looks like in real time.

What the republican party has become? So bad even the NY Post has a story about it.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/texas...-election-illegitimate-despite-evidence/

Jeez! You'd think when the NYPost does a "uhh, guys..." that would catch their attention.

While I agree with you yet again, I think it goes even further than your quote above. When it comes to their platform in general, I agree with you. But the violence in the ad in question I don't see as being "further right" so much as it's a threat of violence and extremism geared in that direction. History bears out what this is and what this is called. I don't want to hear all of the cries of, "How can you compare it to that!" when if people still can't see some of the comparisons the question should be, how can they not.

I don't think that's Greitens intent.. He's doing that to appeal to the MAGA voters out there... If he gets someone to switch, so be it.

I guess the Freudian id is the MAGA crowd.

It was always Rush's and then Fox News intent to pull the party to the right. They exceeded beyond their wildest dreams, but may not be able to contain the beast that they have unleashed.

Raise your hand if you are a traditional Republican that will NOT vote for any republican in 22 or 24. These two cycles will be a critical step in stopping Trumpism and it's all hands on deck.

See, it doesn't matter unless all these moderate GOPers I keep hearing about do something to change it. They keep voting R for the next two cycles, and HAND MAID'S TALE MURICA will become a real thing.

I would vote for ANYTHING over the traitorous white supremacist fascist party republicans. I wonder who else has actual WILL to take our country back from these lunatics. They aren't going away on their own, and it will take a super majority voting against them to drive them back into the shadows of the fringe. But you go ahead and laugh...

I find it very telling, with all the evidence and the constant trend toward authoritarianism, fascism, and absolute lunacy the right has displayed, that all these Rs claiming to be against it still somehow mustered 73 Million Trump votes. This proves that a lot of these "I'm not like that" so-called moderate republicans are just publically ashamed of the crap they are STILL supporting with their votes.

And I see the same voters in here bashing Biden and bragging how the Rs will take power this year. Shameful.

I know, I'm a radicalized lefty, huh? I mean, I didn't warn about any of the crap that's come to pass. I'm just a chicken little... AND you're an idiot. People so deplorable that they carried every drop of Trump's water are now in position to win political offices at every level of government and sworn to overturn elections that Rs don't win. And you don't see this as a problem?

Thank you!

I know if you're calling me an idiot, I'm definitely on the right track.

Interesting.

Read my edit, then thank me again.

You report that yet? I could use the break.

No truer words ever spoken here lol. I'm 'bout to scoop you up and take you out for a drink, maybe try and get your BP down.

Always open to that, enjoy the three-hour drive.

I don't know how to report posts. And I'm not a ref.

I'm in Fort Wayne. I just borrowed Swish's ride -- I'll be there in 90 minutes regardless of where you live.

jc

Sotomayor accuses conservatives of ‘dismantling’ church-state separation

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the Supreme Court’s most outspoken liberal, accused the court’s six-member conservative majority of eroding the barrier between church and state on Tuesday by striking down a Maine policy that barred religious schools from receiving taxpayer-funded tuition aid.

“This Court continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build,” Sotomayor wrote, dissenting from the 6-3 decision that broke along ideological lines.

“In just a few years, the Court has upended constitutional doctrine,” she added, “shifting from a rule that permits States to decline to fund religious organizations to one that requires States in many circumstances to subsidize religious indoctrination with taxpayer dollars.”

Maine law gives school-age children the right to free public education. But because many rural districts lack a public high school, a workaround was devised that allows students to attend nearby qualifying private schools with public assistance.

The Maine law at issue in the case had deemed schools with religious instruction ineligible for the program.

The majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, sided with a group of Maine parents who sued over the law, with the conservative justices ruling that the challengers’ constitutional religious protections were violated.

“Maine’s ‘nonsectarian’ requirement for its otherwise generally available tuition assistance payments violates the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment,” Roberts wrote for the majority. “Regardless of how the benefit and restriction are described, the program operates to identify and exclude otherwise eligible schools on the basis of their religious exercise.”

Sotomayor also joined in part a separate dissent written by fellow liberal Justice Stephen Breyer, whose opinion was joined in full by Justice Elena Kagan, the court’s third liberal member.

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...-of-dismantling-church-state-separation/


She nailed how I feel about religious schools getting federal money to indoctrinate people.

Trump World wants to ‘burn DeSantis down’: 5 takeaways from New Yorker’s DeSantis profile
Zac Anderson, Tallahassee Democrat
Wed, June 22, 2022, 3:20 AM
A new in-depth profile of Gov. Ron DeSantis in the New Yorker magazine includes interviews with everyone from President Donald Trump to the governor’s dad, who describes his son as “stubborn.”

The article also says those in Trump's orbit are trying to "burn DeSantis down" as the governor's growing popularity within the GOP rivals the former president.

The New Yorker’s interest in DeSantis is another sign that his national profile continues to grow amid talk that he could run for president.

Who are they? DeSantis has billionaire support, with at least 42 backing him

A new in-depth profile of Gov. Ron DeSantis in the the New Yorker magazine includes interviews with everyone from President Donald Trump to the governor's dad. The articles says those in Trump's orbit want to "burn DeSantis down" as the governor's growing popularity within the GOP rivals the former president.
A new in-depth profile of Gov. Ron DeSantis in the the New Yorker magazine includes interviews with everyone from President Donald Trump to the governor's dad. The articles says those in Trump's orbit want to "burn DeSantis down" as the governor's growing popularity within the GOP rivals the former president.
Here are five takeaways from the article:

Trump World is trying to “burn DeSantis down.”
Various reports have indicated there is tension between Trump and DeSantis. Trump told New Yorker writer Dexter Filkins they have a “very good relationship” and that he is “proud of Ron.” But other sources told Filkins that “as DeSantis’s popularity grew, tension hardened into resentment.” From the article:

Trump told me that he was “very close to making a decision” about whether to run. “I don’t know if Ron is running, and I don’t ask him,” he said. “It’s his prerogative. I think I would win.” In nearly every poll of likely Republican contenders, Trump still has a solid advantage: DeSantis’s constituency was Trump’s first. Trump seems to want to keep it that way. A consultant who has worked for several Republican candidates said that the former President had talked with confidants about ways to stop DeSantis: “Trump World is working overtime to find ways to burn DeSantis down. They really hate him.”

More of our coverage:

Conservative warrior DeSantis not as aggressive on guns or abortion

After saying little about mass shootings in Uvalde and Buffalo, DeSantis signs school safety bill

Gov. DeSantis won’t reform Florida gun laws, bats down Democrats’ demand for special session

DeSantis’ dad is talkative
When Filkins knocked on the door of DeSantis’ parent’s home in Dunedin, Florida, Ron DeSantis senior initially said “I’d rather not talk to you.” But it appears that he couldn’t help himself. DeSantis’ father went on to describe his son as a “stubborn” child. From the article:

“If he set his mind to something, you couldn’t shake him.” DeSantis pointed into the street, where he and his son used to play catch; there were ball fields nearby, where he had coached Ron’s Little League teams. “I tried not to favor him, and Ron didn’t like that,” he said … The young DeSantis attended Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic School and then Dunedin High, where he was a star outfielder. He was focused and motivated, his father said, adding, “He didn’t get that from me.” DeSantis scored in the ninety-ninth percentile on his SAT and was accepted to Yale, his father said: “It’s still the thing I’m most proud of.” But he didn’t like to make too much of it. “Everybody wants to brag about their kids, and people ask me about Ron. I try to be modest.”

Pushaw 'the most powerful woman in Florida'
DeSantis’ combative spokeswoman Christina Pushaw has risen to prominence by channeling the same combativeness her boss is known for. From the article:

Her ferocity inspires cautious admiration. “She is the most powerful woman in Florida,” a consultant to several Republican candidates told me. “Ron loves her, because she says things that even he won’t say.”

DeSantis viewed as 'aloof' and 'selfish'
Descriptions of the governor as aloof and uncomfortable with retail politics are nothing new, but the New Yorker piece reinforces the perception of DeSantis as a not particularly engaging personality in intimate settings. There’s also a particularly stark quote from a former college baseball teammate who calls DeSantis “the most selfish person I have ever interacted with. He has always loved embarrassing and humiliating people.” From the article:

People who work closely with him describe a man so aloof that he sometimes finds it difficult to carry on a conversation. “He’s not comfortable engaging other people,” a political leader who sees him often told me. “He walks into the meeting and doesn’t acknowledge the rest of us. There’s no eye contact and little or no interaction. The moment I start to ask him a question, his head twitches. You can tell he doesn’t want to be there.” Nearly everyone I talked to who knew DeSantis commented on his affect: his lack of curiosity about others, his indifferent table manners, his aversion to the political rituals of dispensing handshakes and questions about the kids. One former associate told me that his demeanor stems from a conviction that others have advantages that were denied to him. “The anger comes more easily to him because he has a chip on his shoulder,” she said. “He is a serious guy. Driven.”

DeSantis ignored UF experts who spent 'years' preparing for pandemic
The governor takes pride in going against expert consensus on pandemic policies. He even ignored a University of Florida scientist who specifically had been recruited to “guide the state” through a pandemic. From the article:

Early in the pandemic, Scott Rivkees, the state surgeon general, convened a conference call of many of Florida’s leading public-health experts; at the end of the meeting, he announced that it would be the last. Among those boxed out was Glenn Morris, an epidemiologist whom the University of Florida had recruited in 2007 to set up a center that would help guide the state though the next pandemic. “We spent years preparing for this moment,” Morris told me… As the pandemic began, Morris and his colleagues at the University of Florida in Gainesville maintained close contact with the state Department of Health. Two or three times a week, the department shared new data, and a group of epidemiologists analyzed them, to inform research and to make recommendations to the state… In June, 2020, the epidemiologists say, the health department terminated the relationship and stopped sharing data… “The only reason you don’t collect data is that you don’t want to know what the data says,” Derek Cummings, an epidemiologist at the University of Florida, said. “The recommendations we were making were consistently at odds with the policy of the state.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-world-wants-burn-desantis-102000763.html


I've been closely watching the relationship between the two. Right now, they are appearing to peacefully co-exist, but I do think that there will be something that comes to a head at some point. It could end any which way. My guess is that it will somehow end peacefully with DeSantis assuming the new role as "head" and him letting Trump claim that DeSantis was his anointed successor. That's a fragile assumption, though, because I don't think Trump can live with knowing that someone else has now taken the spotlight. The 2024 primaries will be very interesting.

Edit ~ I remember in a discussion I was having with 40 on here that he was actually hoping for someone else to be the new frontrunner. He didn't say who, but DeSantis is my guess. Correct me if I'm wrong, 40.

Follow Herald-Tribune Political Editor Zac Anderson on Twitter at @zacjanderson. He can be reached at zac.anderson@heraldtribune.com

This article originally appeared on Tallahassee Democrat: New Yorker profile of DeSantis includes Trump interview

Are you trying to suggest every Republican running for office is a Trumpian? If I were actually a Republican and had the option to vote for a moderate Republican or a true conservative running for office to prevent a Trumpian from being elected I would be even more motivated to vote for such Republican candidates.

No! We will lose our democracy! Open your eyes!

The sad thing right now is that those who actually stood up to Trump have been ostracized by his machine, which is why you see people like Gonzo bowing out of the game. It's not good.

No it's certainly not good. However Brad Raffensperger who stood up to trump by refusing to overturn the Georgia 2020 election results just beat a Trumpian endorsed opponent in the primaries. I certainly can't disagree with you that the Republican party is getting more and more Trumpian all the time. I mean Texas Republicans just adopted the fact they refuse to accept Biden as the duly elected president to their state party platform.

But that is even more reason why if I were a registered Republican I would be even more intent in voting to try and take my party back.

A year or so ago, I thought we were seeing a handful of politicians opt for the "early retirement". They read the writing on the wall and didn't want to deal with it.

Pit: No but they are running in almost every primary, and I don't keep track of who wone on state levels or even all the HOUSE seats.

Fate: Of course, a member of the insurrectionist party would mock somebody saying that. And don't act like you're not a hardcore GOPer, as well as politically brain dead.

They are running in almost every primary. But so is their opposition.

I think that's what I said. But I don't keep track of who is who and that's bad. PLUS, think about this, how many republicans that used to be decent will stand up to the Trumpians harassing any R-moderate anti-Trumper that does get elected. If we don't stop these lunatics now, they will bring this country down. Bet on that. Guys like fate will sleep through it.

Trumpians are a brian dead mob of ruthless thugs, and I don't care who's grandma I'm labeling.

Don't worry li'l buddy... I'm sure that everyone reading these threads comes to the conclusion that I'm the one that is politically brain dead.

The info coming out now about Ron Johnson and his staff on January 6 is freaking horrendous.

Dude straight up pretended to be talking on his phone when reporters were waiting for him too. That part was hilarious.

Everything else is a combination of horrifying and sickening.

Good thing they weren't trying to end our democracy, huh. I don't know what else you call a violent coup and nefarious plot by one party to take permanent power and control of our country. And there is plenty of evidence that it's still ongoing for 22 and 24. But I'm chicken little saying the sky is falling. Smh. Traitors are the new norm, and anyone calling them out is a radical extremist.

I guess MEGA donors see what I see too.

Liberal groups devote millions to blocking GOP election deniers

The strategy has diverted some of the focus away from federal races toward governor and secretary of state races, election-administrator contests and measures aimed at protecting ballot access and tabulation.

LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, one of the nation’s top political donors, gathered more than a dozen billionaires or their representatives over Zoom Friday to sound an alarm about the coming elections.

“MAGA leaders intend to use 2022 midterm wins to install Trump in 2024 regardless of the vote,” read a slide of the PowerPoint Hoffman presented to the group, which was obtained by The Washington Post.

He was pitching some of the nation’s wealthiest people on a doomsday idea that has become a growing obsession among the liberal donor community. Another slide, titled “How MAGA midterms can install Trump,” laid out a step-by-step hypothetical scenario: Republicans win statewide offices in key battleground states in 2022 and then change state laws in 2023 to give legislatures control over presidential electors. After the next presidential election, they declare votes from urban centers “tainted” and overrule the popular vote by sending their own slate of electors to Washington.

The goal of the presentation — described by someone familiar with the group who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations — was to raise tens of millions of dollars for groups that the PowerPoint described as being able to increase Democratic turnout, persuade swing voters to vote Democratic and “dissuade” Republican voters from going to the polls.

Pouring liberal money into the midterms to elect Democrats is hardly novel. What’s different about this new strategy is that a large portion of the 2022 efforts are actually aimed at 2024 — attempting to block Republican 2020 election deniers from gaining power and potentially upending valid results in a presidential election year.

The approach — born in the wake of President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election — has diverted some of the focus away from federal House and Senate races and toward battleground state governor and secretary of state races, election administrator contests and even ballot measures aimed at protecting ballot access and tabulation.

Some donors are funding candidates and state parties directly, while others are sinking funds into state-level groups that are pushing out direct mail and digital ads. Others are funding new opposition-research efforts, recruiting candidates for local election-supervisor races and building out online news websites and Facebook groups designed to drive people to the polls.

The scale of the spending is hard to calculate because much of it has been routed through state-specific or niche nonprofit groups that do not disclose their donors. But people involved in the effort described multiple parallel efforts that could reach into the hundreds of millions of dollars.

“Our theory starts with the electoral college map in 2024,” said Scott Anderson, the executive director of the Strategic Victory Fund, a separate group of liberal donors that has spent more than $450 million on election and nonprofit work since 2017.

This year the group has decided to spend money in only five 2024 battleground states, mainly by funding an array of state level nonprofit groups. The targets are Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nevada, where Democratic governors have so far pushed back on Republican efforts to change the way elections are conducted.

“The immediacy of this election for us is how do we have a veto pen and the ability to sustain the veto in those five states,” Anderson said. “The legislatures in those states have made clear that if they have a governor they will pass a whole laundry list of things.”

The Democracy Alliance, another liberal donor group, devoted much of its spring donor conference in Arizona on funding ideas to fight back on Republican efforts to change the rules of elections. Among the funding priorities this year: a ballot measure in Arizona that would expand voting access and prevent legislatures from appointing electors that do not follow the popular vote. Democracy Alliance donors are also funding an effort in Michigan to support candidates to the state Supreme Court, which could adjudicate election challenges in 2024.

“Democracy is the central issue of our time,” the group’s president Pamela Shifman said in opening remarks at the closed-door event, according to a transcript provided to The Post. “It calls us all to the field. It is why we are all here.”

Run for Something, a liberal group devoted to recruiting more Democratic candidates in local races, has an $80 million target over three years for an effort to recruit and train candidates for election-administration posts in 35 states across the country. They have already helped about 200 candidates get through the primaries in presidential battlegrounds, said Amanda Litman, the group’s co-founder.

“You can influence quite literally who is administering elections,” Litman said, pointing to conservative strategies discussed on Q-Anon message boards and on former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon’s War Room podcast. “If we don’t do it we are absolutely going to regret it.”

American Bridge, a Democratic opposition-research group, started a new arm last year aimed at raising $10 million to uncover and distribute negative information about down-ballot state GOP candidates, particularly those involved in the effort to overturn the 2020 election result.

“That is definitely a sea change in terms of donor interest down ballot on the Democratic side,” said David Brock, the founder of American Bridge, an opposition-research group used across the Democratic Party. “The Bridge to Democracy PAC is one of the easiest things to raise money for at the moment.”

The Strategic Victory Fund has been sending much of its money to state-specific nonprofit groups engaged in a variety of organizing and advertising against GOP candidates. They include Progress Michigan, A Better Wisconsin Together, the Alliance for a Better Minnesota and Commonwealth Communications in Pennsylvania, which has announced a $6 million effort with Planned Parenthood and the Democratic Governors Association to oppose Republican gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, a state senator who urged his fellow state lawmakers to throw out the state’s 2020 election results.

“We are going to get people out there talking to people about this race,” said J.J. Abbott, the executive director of Commonwealth Communications, who said the effort will include attacks on his positions on unions, abortion and the minimum wage. “They are going to be aware of the threat that Doug Mastriano poses to democracy. But they certainly need to hear the full story about him.”

In Wisconsin, state Democratic Party Chairman Ben Wikler said he has seen a marked increased interest in Democratic Gov. Tony Evers’s reelection effort because of the concerns over administering the 2024 election.

“The threat of a Republican who in 2024 attempts to complete what failed in 2020 has been an enormous motivator of volunteers for donors large and small, for people who want to fight for democracy, almost regardless of their politics,” Wikler said. “The significance to the entire country of the governor’s race has become an argument that resonates in every part of the state.”

Another group of liberal and bipartisan foundations plans to launch a nonpartisan effort later this year, dubbed the Road Map for American Democracy. The group, led by Deirdre Schifeling, the former White House advocacy director for President Biden, plans to fund efforts to prevent changes to election rules that could limit access or skew the result, fight back against harassment of election workers and counter misinformation around elections.

“We are generally preparing to defend our democratic system when it comes under attack this fall,” Schifeling said.

Hoffman’s effort — organized through a group called Investing in US, which involves a network of private donors — is one of the most aggressive. He declined to comment for this story through a spokesperson.

Among the proposed beneficiaries of his latest push is Good Information, a network of online news websites with names like the Copper Courier in Arizona and The Gander in Michigan that donors hope will encourage Democratic turnout in the midterms, the person familiar with the group said. The group is also looking to fund the American Independent, a project affiliated with American Bridge, that sends targeted material to voters before elections, as well as more moderate groups like Third Way.

The PowerPoint slides presented by Hoffman painted a blunt vision of the coming election season, noting that “Dems have only a long shot to keep Congress” and that Democratic odds of picking up governors in Texas, New Hampshire, Florida and Arizona are unlikely. It also describes the powers under the U.S. Constitution for state legislatures that determine the manner by which they choose presidential electors.

“States long ago delegated the choice to popular vote, but that is reversible,” one of the slides says. “Trump needs only 37 Electors to flip from 2020.”

Dmitri Mehlhorn, co-founder of Investing in US, declined to comment on the PowerPoint or the meeting beyond one detail: The PowerPoint describes a funding goal of working to “dissuade” and “reduce enthusiasm” for some voters.

“Patriotic Republicans should not be enthusiastic about voting for these dangerous MAGA extremists who have taken over their party,” Mehlhorn wrote in an email about that strategy. “We are comfortable saying so, as are principled Republican leaders.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/22/liberal-money-election-deniers/

Bullying techniques.

SHUT UP!

You're way worse than that. Now run and try to get me banned.

Who is having the "meltdown?"

Sorry OCD, I tried to reason w/you when I asked you a question about who have I bullied. You made a lot of crap up, such as me attacking Purp first. That was completely untrue. Now, you get to deal w/the repercussions of your lies.

Actually, when I read your reply to purp a week or whenever ago, I thought "dang". You did attack him, with a "everyone hates me" attitude.

He can't see himself. He can't see that he bullies. I'm done listening to him tonight.

Well boys.........here is what Purp said to me and I dare you to find a post from me that addressed him before these comments. Let me give you a clue. There isn't one.




I responded to him AFTER that quote and we can make a bet on that one if you two like. I have proof.

Spin away.

That sounds like a threat. I'm not worried, but that's what it sounds like. You must be reporting me, I'll take a ban like a badge of honor for disagreeing with you. But I damn sure didn't lie.

I am not threatening you or reporting you. I am just saying I tried to reason w/you and you made some crap up that I will not forget. I was trying to be as civil as possible and you chose to attack me w/BS. I did not attack Purp. He attacked me and I responded to that. I don't gang up on people like some of you do. You could have been cool. You chose not to.

We all read what happened prior to that. So, show ALL the proof. So, IF this is a direct quote, he was correct.

I said something to mac about Florio being his hero. That is it. Nothing to Purp. Of course, you have said Watson was my hero and savior several times. No one questioned that.

Dude, how about this.........I will dig up what was said exactly. If I am wrong........I'll leave the board. If I am correct.......you leave the board.

That is a bet you best not take. But, you can act like your brother and ignore the truth to win a stupid board argument.

LMAO bye, Felicia.

j/c...

Notice where the scope of most DT interaction takes place within this pyramid? Literally, 75% is within the bottom three rows... and I'm being generous. Unfortunately, because of this, the only value to PP is the entertainment aspect. Sad, because there is plenty of intellect here; unfortunately very little emotional maturity. Maybe someday...




Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists name-calling as the lowest type of argument in a disagreement.

We're both guilty of it too.

Here is the link to the thread. Purp's comments are at the top of pg 2. Please read page one and see if I attacked him or not. I made a post to mac, and he---Purp, not mac-- went off. Was I wrong to defend myself? Apparently so. So, both of you can get bent.


https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthre...tson-be-the-browns-starting-qb-continued

arch, you gonna leave the board? Or spin like your brother?

Thanks! I knew there was something missing from that pyramid. The "I know you are, but what am I?" sliver!

See.

I'll take the bet. I just read the whole exchange. It's been nice knowing you. Follow your rules, leave the board. Or not. It's your reputation on the line.

I don't know.................there are times when there are great conversations on this board. I've been on here and things are friendly. Not contentious. It's fun. it can be educational. I think that there are a few poster who kinda ruin it for all and that is why we have lost so many of the older posters that were once on here. Of course, those who don't like me will say that the same thing about me.

I will take some responsibility. I know I fight back w/a vengeance. This is a true story. I'm not the tallest guy, but I was built. Back in the day, I hated bullies. i fought them consistently. And I mean......literally. Fist fights. This story kinda epitomizes how I was. I was a RB on the HS team. Our biggest OL was in the same Algebra class as i was. he weighed about 260. LOL........this was in the 1970s and he was considered HUGE. Well, there was this kid who resembled Barney Fife in the most uncanny way. Tallish, skinny as can be, joints moving all over the place, etc. He even had a pocket protector. He gets called up to the chalk board and asked to solve an equation. On the way, our O-lineman trips him. Everyone laughs. Just like they always did when someone bullied this poor kid. I sat in the last row. A jock, but also a freak. [had to live back in that era to know what Freak mean.] I get up as the class was laughing and insulting the poor kid. I walk up to the big man and say.........>"You think that's pretty f....ing funny Rod? He says to get the hell out of his face and I drilled him as hard as I could.

Scenarios played out like that over and over. I despise bullies. Always have. Eventually, the Guidance Counselors sent me to the Boy's Club to box. There was no Boys and Girls Club back hen. Hell, it just helped me whup bullies in the long run.

Some of us live by this adage. Don't start a fight, but be damn sure to end one.

Show me where I responded to Purp first. Once again, you are just like Pit. Lying out your butt.

Like I said to Fate, we are all guilty of it. And I think the board reflects the times we are living in. Even before PP, politics were frequently discussed and highly partisan. Things get said in those environments. But I do my best to limit it to PP. Recently, I haven't done that very well. The DW thing is about all that is causing that. I don't care what you think about him or how you feel about it, that's your right. But I am going to express how I feel about it, and have been. Going back and forth with you might be a side effect of that for both of us. And I get along with Fate more often than not, but we go at each other from time to time too. Same with arch. Hell, Pit and I even butt heads from time to time with slight differences in our politics or world views. It just happens and I think few truly hate or despise anyone on here. We're just passionate. lol. I'll go with that.

That's cool and I had a few too many pops tonight. I respect anyone who doesn't want to root for the Browns because of Watson. That is an individual choice. The charges are freaking gross. I just don't like others telling me how to think. And the bullying thing set me off a few days ago, OCD. 1 against 6 is not bullying. Replying to a character attack is not bullying. You unfairly slandered my name by not pointing out that I was responding to an attack and making it sound like I threw the first punch w/Purp. That's not cool, OCD. I have provided the link. I did NOT attack Purp first. I responded to his attack. That is a FACT.

But again, I have a bit of a buzz on and should have just kept quiet. Y'all frustrate me at times, though.

I never asked others to join in and it happens to all of us. I just pointed it out BECAUSE I didn't think you realized how you were coming across, then it took a life of its own. Sometimes stepping back and rethinking things helps. I do it all the time. Nobody is perfect, especially in a place like this where we shouldn't have to be.

Notice I wasn't involved in this. But you can't keep my name out of your mouth. I'm sure somehow you'll say I started it. Maybe you should refrain from bragging about what a tough kid you were? Or about what a classy guy you were? Those days are obviously behind you. Maybe stop posting while you're drinking? Just some suggestions.

People have used actual quotes from your own posts to show what you have said many times. In reply you call them liars. I wonder what you call that?

Which nobody on this board has ever done.

I took the bet. And just now I re read the first 3 pages of that thread. You leaving?

There you go again. It went down exactly the way I said it did. I knew you would not honor the bet and would spin away. I am not wasted today and this is my last response to you today.

Whatever dude.

Back to my notion of the DeSantis/Trump showdown…so it begins…

Former Trump White House strategist Steve Bannon is attacking Rupert Murdoch and his media empire for tossing aside Donald Trump in favor of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

“Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Times of London, The Sun etc etc etc ― all lockstep against Trump,” Bannon wrote Wednesday on the right-wing Gettr social media platform. He also attacked the Murdoch family as “Australians via England — not American” who have “never sacrificed anything for this Country.” Murdoch became a U.S. citizen in 1984.

Murdoch has “zero feel” for “America or Americans,” Bannon added.

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Bannon was responding to an article in Vanity Fair on Wednesday declaring that “DeSantis fever is spreading across Murdoch’s media empire.”


Murdoch-controlled media outlets have recently launched sharp attacks on Trump, including surprisingly scathing editorials earlier this month in the New York Post and Wall Street Journal.

“Trump betrayed his supporters by conning them on Jan. 6, and he is still doing it,” the Journal editorial stated June 10.



“The King Lear of Mar-a-Lago” who cannot accept defeat has “become a prisoner of his own ego,” the Post said the same day. “He won’t stop insisting that 2020 was ‘stolen’ even though he’s offered no proof that it’s true.”

Longtime Murdoch employee Piers Morgan wrote in an opinion piece Monday in the Post that “by almost any political metric you choose, this guy’s [DeSantis] a far better option for leading the Republicans into the 2024 election than Donald Trump.”

The British television personality called Trump an “aging, raging gorilla who’s become a whiny, democracy-defying bore.” The headline flatly declared: “It’s Time to Dump The Donald.”

Vanity Fair noted Morgan in essence “held up a grenade, pulled out a pin, and lobbed it in the direction of Mar-a-Lago.” More important, the opinion article underscored the message of Murdoch’s media: “Dump Trump,” the magazine added.



Morgan predicted that the “mutual admiration society” of DeSantis and Trump was “about to fall apart big-time.”

Morgan added: “if there’s one thing Trump can’t stomach more than people who don’t buy into his ‘rigged election’ bulls–t, it’s people who might threaten his chances of returning to the White House in 2024.”

The chill is already obvious. DeSantis has opted not to ask Trump for an endorsement for his gubernatorial reelection bid.

Trump posted a Zogby poll (which rated a B- rating for predictability last year) on Truth Social on Wednesday that showed him leading with 54% of the expected vote to DeSantis’ 12% in an imagined presidential primary race involving several candidates. Fox News reported Wednesday that a New Hampshire poll showed DeSantis with a razor-thin lead over Trump in that state.



Though Fox News skipped airing the first of the televised hearings by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, the network has aired the rest to date.

Following the hearing Tuesday, Fox anchor Martha MacCallum called out the “stunning” absence of proof to support Trump’s claims that the 2020 election had been rigged against him.

One source told Vanity Fair: “Rupert Murdoch is a pragmatic guy. He knows better than anybody how to read political tea leaves.”



https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-blasts-murdoch-saying-221339237.html

Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity will be huge barometers for how this unfolds.

Well, they are the ones who issue the marching orders now.

Well, maybe I ought to start watching FOX, and Tucker, and Hannity. I currently don't, and honest to God, never have.

One thing I'll say is that Republicans seem to comprehend the political landscape. They still want to run what they see as a "tough guy" with Trumpian tendencies. But they understand the demographics that so many people wish to refuse and admit. Neither Democrats nor Republicans decide the presidency. Unless they cheat of course. You have pretty equal votes between Republicans and Democrats. It's the Independent voters who decide the presidency and nothing else. They also know people vote with their wallets. No matter what issues come up, Jan.6th., abortion, you name it, people will vote with their wallets. None of the people running are Trump. In this years elections Democrats will take a beating due to inflation. That's just how it works.

In 2024? Some of that will depend on how the economy goes between now and then. But what Republicans do know is that Independent voters are their ticket to victory. They know these people aren't hard core Trumpians. They realize they will watch the facts that have unfolded during the Jan. 6th hearings and that as a result Trump carries a huge amount of baggage among the very people they depend on to win elections. So the answer?

Run a candidate that sounds like Trump, acts like Trump and believes like Trump..... only without so much baggage. As a movie title it would sound something like this.....

Ron DeSantis Trump 2.0 (Without so much baggage.)

I think DeSantis understands that notion very much, as well. I don't think it's quite convenient yet for him to officially turncoat on Trump, but I think he's biding his time. My guess is he hopes to amicably get Trump's endorsement, because that would flat out just be way easier. However, I think he's also preparing to face off against Trump as well. If the Jan 6 stuff goes even further south, I think he takes advantage and couches it as "we need to move on and move forward."

This is all pure speculation on my part, of course. We'll see how close or how far off I am.

Trumpsters Claim Dead Cows Are Proof of a Nefarious Plot to Starve Americans

Sure, the week the cows died temperatures topped 104 degrees in Kansas and ranchers said the heat killed them. But that didn’t stop these Trump fans from making other reasons up.

Republicans have seized on the deaths of thousands of cattle in a Kansas heat wave as the latest proof of a baseless conspiracy theory that saboteurs ranging from the mega-wealthy to the government are out to destroy the national food supply.

That hoax has been circulating on the right for months, but received new energy after thousands of cattle in Kansas died in a June heatwave in which temperatures topped 104 degrees. A viral video that showed what appeared to be hundreds of dead cattle was cited by as proof that someone—the Biden administration, liberal billionaires, or an unnamed elite cabal—was behind the deaths.

For ranchers, the cattles’ deaths were not mysterious. A spokeswoman for the Kansas Livestock Association told PBS that the cows died from “heat stress” after a sudden 20-degree temperature spike. Rather than accept that the cattle were killed by the heat—and the prospect that climate change will bring similar mass-death incidents—some Republicans became convinced that a shadowy force was behind the dead cattle.

Tennessee House candidate Robby Starbuck claimed he had unnamed sources who insisted that the cows could not have been killed by the heat.

“They did not die of extreme heat,” Starbuck tweeted. “I talked to multiple ranchers since I saw this video (one from Kansas) and they all say this needs to be investigated ASAP to get to the bottom of this because there’s no way heat caused 10,000+ cattle to drop dead. This is not normal.”

Theories about the cows’ deaths also proliferated on Telegram, the social media network that’s become a haven for far-right figures. Jovan Hutton Pulitzer, an inventor and leading figure in the 2020 election-denial movement, boosted another user’s post suggesting that Bill Gates was behind the deaths. In a Telegram message, Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes speculated that the cattle deaths were part of a plot to “make us so hungry” that Americans would revolt, giving the government a chance to institute a state of emergency.

Few of the conspiracy theorists were as willing as Pulitzer or McInnes to name any culprit for the cow-deaths. Right-wing comedian Steven Crowder embraced the kind of free-floating skepticism that’s become prominent on the MAGA right, tweeting Tuesday that he was “a little suspicious about 2K cows just suddenly dropping dead in Kansas due to heat stress.”



The sudden cattle deaths have been incorporated into a growing narrative on the right that the country’s food supply is at risk due to a shadowy sabotage network. In April, conservatives seized on a series of fires and other incidents at food-processing plants to suggest that a mysterious group of arsonists is set on undermining the food supply. In reality, however, several of the incidents were years-old, while others didn’t actually occur near the food plants.

The conspiracy theories about the cow die-off have even made it to Congress. In a speech on the House floor, Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) said Americans have “every right to be skeptical” about the food-supply incidents, including the cattle deaths and the baby formula shortage. Cawthorn described the incidents as a “seemly unexplainable series of food industry accidents” being ignored by the media.

“Does no one care that children are starving you and your colleagues feast at Le Diplomate?” Cawthorn said, referring to the French restaurant popular with Washington politicos.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ious-plot-to-starve-americans?ref=scroll

Trump Reportedly Poured $1.3 Million In Political Contributions Into His Own Businesses After Losing Election

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-poured-1-3-073735426.html

just here to see who will call this out without a "whatabout" post.

and while i'm waiting on that:

After Roe fell, Steve Bannon called for an 'army of the awakened' to 'shatter' Democrats

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roe-fell-steve-bannon-called-052326752.html

so we have Dark MAGA, Ultra MAGA, super MAGA, and now an 'army of the awakened'.

are we gonna get an injustice league, or Cobra Command? Hydra?

Grifters grift. What’s the surprise?

All those are needed to fight the "radical left", didn't you hear?

Already have them, the Extreme Court.

republicans had the layup. all they had to do was coast to the midterms.

but nope. just couldn't do it. they have officially let the far right and religious crazies take over the party, and they have no way of pushing back.

the GOP seems to be very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Boebert says she is ‘tired’ of separation between church and state: ‘The church is supposed to direct the government’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boebert-says-she-tired-separation-205248681.html

every last republican voter has to own this. yall let the crazies take over, and here we are.

They are saying ALL the silent stuff out loud these days, and we are supposed to accept it as normal. smh.

I think it's telling how they try to cancel EVERYONE not on the same page as the extremists.

After Idaho pastor says gay people ‘worthy of death,’ LGBTQ youth meet with faith leaders

https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-pastor-says-gay-people-164041954.html

lol I remember when people were laughing at thought of Islam being the religion of peace.

I was laughing too. Except I was laughing at the Christian’s who somehow thought they were a religion of peace as well.

Both religions spread their messages through hate.

Categorizing all people w/in any one group as having all the same qualities is bigoted. I thought you of all people would understand that, Swish.

I am not religious at all. Never go to church. However, I can tell you that as a teacher, I have seen the good that many religious people do. I have seen a church pay the rent for a black female member who had 6 kids. I have seen them donate a ton of money to help the underprivileged.

Yes, there are many creepy, ugly religious people. However, many more are good people and lumping all people of a group is wrong.

I'm just amazed we have such brilliant minds in Congress and elected as President. Watch this direct from AOC's living room....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnw5PbsalM0, dang she's brilliant. NOT, we got crazies on both sides....hopefully, they cancel each other out and little is ruined.

Kinzinger hits back at Boebert’s church and state remarks: ‘We must oppose the Christian Taliban’

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) on Wednesday criticized comments that Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) made on Sunday in which she called for ending the separation of church and state in the United States.

Boebert said in a speech at the Cornerstone Christian Center in Basalt, Colo., that she is “tired” of the principle and falsely claimed that the Founding Fathers did not intend to keep religion separate from government.

Kinzinger condemned Boebert’s comments and compared them to the views of the Taliban, the militant Islamic fundamentalist group that rules Afghanistan.

“There is no difference between this and the Taliban. We must oppose the Christian Taliban. I say this as a Christian,” he tweeted.

Boebert argued that the separation of church and state “junk” is not in the Constitution and was only in a letter that “means nothing like they say it does.”

She appeared to be referencing a letter that then-President Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptist Church Association in Connecticut. In the letter, Jefferson wrote that the American people had built “a wall of separation between Church and State.”

The constitutional interpretation of separation of church and state comes from the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

The Supreme Court applied this provision also to the states through the 14th Amendment’s Due Process Clause, which prohibits states from passing laws that restrict people’s “life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

But the court has more recently signaled a willingness to allow religion in public spaces, striking down a law in Maine earlier this month that prevented religious schools from receiving tuition aid from public funds. It also ruled in favor of a high school football coach who was placed on leave for violating the school’s policy against staff encouraging students to engage in prayer.

Boebert argued that the church should direct the government, and not the other way around.

Boebert won the Republican nomination for reelection to her seat on Tuesday, after winning election to the House in 2020 and gaining a reputation as a far-right conservative with hard-line views.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...e-must-oppose-the-christian-taliban/amp/

Wow, if I'm not mistaken, He's a normal republican and he sounds just like me who gets called marxist and extremist by Trump supporters on here. Hmm.

The religious nut bags are actively trying to take over the country.

When the good Christian’s stop the bad ones from doing this nonsense, then I’ll stop lumping them in.

Just like when people said they’ll stop criticizing Muslims when the good Muslims stop the bad ones.

Til then, Christian’s are trying to impose their values on my life. Nothing you SAY is gonna change the ACTIONS of what we’re all witnessing.

Maybe you should spend more time criticizing those bad Christian’s. But here we are again, more easy to come at swish then the people you claim to be against.

He's also been forced out of politics. I hope not for too long.

Trumpists Call on Supreme Court to Let States ‘Establish Religion Within Their Borders’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trumpists-call-supreme-court-let-212244330.html

It’s been made very clear to anyone paying attention that the religious nuts don’t actually like our constitution.

They want a theocracy, and they can’t have that with the US constitution the way it current exist.

Imagine calling yourself a patriot while hating the very existence of your country.

Like I said in the other thread about Liz Cheney, we need to make sure the good ones are protected and able to help. We need more like them to balance the country when we finally rid ourselves of the Trumpian Maga scourge. We all know, that Trump's time is limited, but his movement and idiocy is going to be with us for a long long time I fear.

Just call it what it is, Christo-Fascism. And be ready to be ridiculed by those that are cool with it.

When we all sit and watch the extremists in both religion and politics start spreading the use of violence and hate against anyone who is different or believes differently than themselves, it needs to be called out. History has shown what silence on such matters has wrought and how these things spread like a cancer. Much like we're seeing today. We have seen the scourge and calamities that result from such silence and by those that persist in advocating others remain silent. Never let the white noise prevent you from pointing it out.

Their new ball cap.

Perfect example of what's happened to Republicans. This would be hilarious if it weren't so GD scary.

That was a Jordan Peele level terrifying look at American dystopia.
What a weird time to be alive. Watching it as it all burns down under the weight of its own ignorance.

Arizona's turn.

Unreal.

These two clips make a compelling case for Electoral College reform. Just looney toons.

There weren't more than ten brain cells in the bunch. And one of them will get into office.

Lmao what the hell. This is sad. Really sad

LIz Cheney continues to impress me.. If she ran for President, I'd be inclined to seriously vote for her..

As for the Arizona thing,, Gees, it's been proven over and over and over again that the election was NOT stolen....Are these the dumbest people on the planet or what?

yea she needs her 2nd amendment right revoked.

Michigan Gubernatorial Candidates Want Marriage Equality Overturned

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-gubernatorial-candidates-want-marriage-144233344.html

but im sure the clueless centrist and right wingers will just continue claiming that everybody is overreacting like they did before Roe got overturned.

i swear people gotta learn everything the hard way. it's like some people don't acknowledge reality unless it personally happens to them, then when it does, they want sympathy and understanding from the same group of people they blew off.

Well it is not in the constitution…

A terrible precedent that is factually wrong, in accordance with any reasonable reading of the 9th amendment.

That's a red flag if I've ever seen one.

Lot of crazy coming out of Arizona these days.

A state filled with retirees. A dying generation flailing to keep their heads above water. To stay in power.
Time comes for all. I just hope later generations can undo the damage that generation is causing on its way out.

You know, it's interesting, and perhaps this is for another thread... I find the generational divides to be somewhat arbitrary (not entirely), but assuming the generational divides do exist as professed, I would be an elder millennial (sometimes referred to as Xillennial). I have taken and encountered an enormous amount of grief for being a part of the millennial generation for years, sometimes perhaps warranted, but often times not. What always irked me though is that the generation you are referring to seems patently blind to the state of the country when they came into power vs how they are going to leave it, along with what you mentioned - the willingness (or lack thereof) to hand off the reins.

j/c

People were discussing the whole "satanic" crap from the 80's in terms of music. Well this isn't about music but the satanic thing is still very real....

A Roadside Attraction In Georgia Was Bombed After A Far-Right Candidate Promoted Conspiracy Theories About It

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation said it doesn't know who is responsible for the explosion, which caused significant damage.

An explosion on Wednesday rocked a Georgia tourist attraction that had become a campaign focus of a far-right GOP candidate for governor, who described it as Satanic and vowed to demolish it.

In an email, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation told BuzzFeed News that unknown individuals detonated an explosive device at around 4 a.m. Wednesday at the Georgia Guidestones, destroying a large portion of the granite structure. The investigation is active and ongoing, and Elbert County Sheriff's Office and the GBI are examining the site.

Kandiss Taylor, who sought the GOP nomination for governor on the platform of "Jesus, guns, and babies," had promised to sign an executive order dismantling the monument if elected and produced a campaign video vowing to "demolish the Satanic Georgia Guidestones." (She ultimately received only 3.4% of the vote in the state's Republican primary in May.)

The Georgia Guidestones, sometimes referred to as "American Stonehenge," have regularly been the focus of conspiracy theories. The 16-foot-tall stones are inscribed with 10 guidelines in eight modern languages and four ancient scripts, and they can be seen as a compass, calendar, survival guide for catastrophic events — or, particularly the message about keeping the global population to 500 million, as something more sinister.

The monument has been the center of much speculation since 1979, when a man named Robert C. Christian who said he represented "a small group of loyal Americans" commissioned Elberton Granite Finishing to install it; it's unclear why. Yoko Ono has praised the monument, while others have said it belongs to the Antichrist, according to Wired.

In her campaign, Taylor connected the monument to her distrust of the COVID-19 vaccine, abortion as "demonic worship," and the New World Order, the longstanding (and baseless) conspiracy that an authoritarian globalist government is coming.



"If we don't call things out, and we don't acknowledge them and we don't take authority and take dominion over what God's given us, then we are no better than the evil ones that put it up," Taylor said in the video.

GBI did not respond to questions about whether they believe Taylor had any connection to the explosion, and Taylor did not respond to BuzzFeed News's request for comment. On Wednesday, after news broke about the explosion, Taylor tweeted, "God is God all by Himself. He can do anything He wants."

The monument has been vandalized before, and others have also called for it to be removed.

During a June meeting of the county's board meeting of commissioners, a pastor asked the board to remove the Guidestones, saying it's a religious monument and its inscriptions support genocide, advocates the killing of 6.5 billion people, and supports abortion and Planned Parenthood, the Elberton Star & Examiner reported.

"I've never known anyone other than Kandiss Taylor to consider this a statement of faith," county attorney Bill Daughtry said, according to the newspaper.

"It's simply a tourist attraction," he continued. "We don't have to disagree with it or understand it. You looked at it and saw abortion in big letters, which I've looked at it and I did not see that. It's been there for years. People pull off the interstate and come and spend their money at local businesses after they look at a funny monument."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...EXs13jCOeo7IZWzF8J94zQNwGMuOAklpsUUdNQOI

Trump Family just announced Ivana Trump has passed away.

Ivana Trump, ex-wife of former President Trump, dies at age 73
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ivana-trump-wife-president-trump-dies-age/story?id=86834496

RIP

This aged well…Posted in Mad magazine in 1968.

That’s one way of saying she died horribly falling down steps. I’m on the fence here between possible foul play and accidental death. If this was the ex wife of a prominent democrat candidate the trump crazies would be calling for Hillary’s or Hunter Biden’s head.

So you are saying she was Arkancided?

Yeah, yeah... But we are reasonable people. So let's allow the police time to investigate before making accusations. Otherwise, we are no better than the deplorables.

What did Asa Hutchinson have to do with it?

Red Wave??? With your own party working against you?

Sorry to hear of her passing. By all accounts, she seemed decent.

As for her death, Trump and two of his kids were scheduled to appear before the grand jury in Georgia. It was postponed due to her passing. This family is so corrupt that one of the first thoughts was, did they have her killed in order to delay their appearance before the Grand Jury? I'd like to believe even they are that low... but geez, they constantly surprise me.

This is what happens when you throw Roe back to the states-the states are full of uneducated morons

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/re...n-get-pregnant-doubting-ohio-r-rcna38284

Republicans are shocked a 10-year-old can get pregnant after the Ohio rape victim abortion story proves true

July 14, 2022, 5:40 PM EDT
By Scott Won
WASHINGTON — Congressional Republicans who oppose abortion rights are struggling to talk about the horrific case of a 10-year-old rape victim who had to travel across state lines to Indiana to get an abortion because of strict laws in her home state, Ohio.

The case made international headlines after President Joe Biden decried Republican policies that forced the "already traumatized" child to have to travel out of state to terminate the pregnancy. Republicans and right-wing media criticized Biden, suggesting the case had been fabricated, only for a suspect to be arrested days later.

Confronted with the reality of the case, GOP lawmakers interviewed Thursday appeared to be grappling with how to respond — from confusion to blaming the media.


10-year-old girl gets abortion in neighboring state after being raped
JULY 14, 202202:19
Many expressed shock that it was even biologically possible for the 10-year-old child to become pregnant. Some said they were torn “morally” about whether abortions should be allowed in cases of incest or rape, as in the Ohio case. And others tried to turn the conversation to the undocumented immigrant who prosecutors allege raped the girl.

“I’m amazed a 10-year-old got pregnant. … You really wrestle with that. That’s a tough one,” Rep. Bob Gibbs, R-Ohio, said Thursday.

Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Ariz., said, “I can’t imagine being 10 years old” and pregnant, adding: “I don’t think I was even able to have children when I was 10 years old. … It’s just awful. It’s awful all the way around.”

Said Rep. Roger Williams, R-Texas: “I’m a pro-life guy, OK? And God’s in charge on this. ... We're all God's children. This is a tough call, and I don’t know if I know that answer right now, because now you’ve got another baby involved: She’s pregnant. … She’s a baby.”

Just days earlier, several high-profile Republicans said the story was fake, using it to accuse Democrats of overreach in their response to the Supreme Court's ruling overturning Roe v. Wade.

Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, a Republican, said the story was likely to be a “fabrication.” Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, tweeted “Another lie. Anyone surprised?” in response to a Washington Examiner story about Yost’s saying he had found no evidence of the young rape victim.

Jordan quietly deleted the tweet Wednesday after prosecutors charged Gershon Fuentes, 27, who court documents say confessed to the rape.

Asked whether he regretted calling the story a lie, Jordan blamed Fuentes, an undocumented immigrant, and the news media.

“We didn’t know that an illegal alien did this heinous act. We never doubted the child,” Jordan said. The lie was “the news headline … the headline from your profession. We doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do, but we didn’t know that this illegal immigrant had done this terrible thing. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.”

Williams, who represents the border state of Texas, said: “Where’s the conversation about an illegal person doing this? How do you defend this? How do you defend this guy who came over illegally, and we’ve got 5 million of them over here?”

Biden and White House officials had read about the case in The Indianapolis Star, which first reported the girl's story on July 1. That story quoted Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis OB-GYN, who said she got a call from an Ohio doctor specializing in child abuse who had a 10-year-old patient who was six weeks pregnant. Because Ohio made abortions after six weeks illegal in the wake of the Roe decision, the girl had to travel.

Biden said in his speech about protecting abortion access last week: “She was forced to have to travel out of the state to Indiana to seek to terminate the pregnancy and maybe save her life. Ten years old — 10 years old — raped, six weeks pregnant, already traumatized, was forced to travel to another state.

These are the same people that think there’s a heartbeat at 6 weeks. Yet if you ask any of them to show a photo of a 6 week old embryo’s ‘heart’ they go silent as there is no heart in a 6 week old cell clump. It’s not a heart. It’s an electrical impulse in a dividing cell clump.
So it’s not surprising that they had no clue a 10 year old could get pregnant. They don’t understand Biology 101.
Hell there’s idiot GOP’rs out there who think women can control whether or not they get pregnant from a rapist….

“A Republican nominee in a closely watched House race in Virginia made bizarre and false comments about rape victims, saying in leaked audio recordings that she wouldn’t be surprised if a woman’s body prevents pregnancies from rape because “it’s not something that’s happening organically,” and that the rapist is doing it “quickly.””… https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/27/us/politics/yesli-vega-rape-pregnant.html

“Akin was, and North Carolina state Rep. Henry Aldridge (R) was more colorfully vague in 1995, when he said "medical authorities agree" that "people who are raped — who are truly raped — the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work, and they don't get pregnant."” …. https://theweek.com/articles/472972...rief-history-todd-akins-bogus-theory?amp


So take the worst high school biology student, give them a Bible that they don’t fully understand either, and this is what we get. And now these morons are dictating policy.
It’s a wonder any of these simps ever get laid. The poor partners that bed these losers must be bored as hell in bed and browbeaten in life.

Doctor who treated 10-year-old rape victim sends Indiana AG cease and desist letter

Todd Rokita suggested the doctor may have violated a state law requiring doctors to report such incidents, but records show she complied with those requirements.

The lawyer for a doctor who provided abortion services to a 10-year-old rape victim sent Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita a cease-and-desist letter Friday demanding he stop making "false or misleading statements" about the physician.

The letter comes after a Fox News interview Wednesday where Rokita said he was investigating Dr. Caitlin Bernard, who made international headlines earlier this month when she told The Indianapolis Star that she treated a 10-year-old rape victim who couldn’t get an abortion in her home state of Ohio because of a “fetal heartbeat“ law. The state law, which was enacted after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last month, outlaws abortions at around the sixth week of pregnancy. Bernard said the girl was just over six weeks pregnant.

Rokita said in the interview he was "gathering the evidence" against Bernard, "including looking at her licensure” and whether “she failed to report” the procedure in Indiana because “it’s a crime to not report, to intentionally not report.”

In her letter to Rokita, Bernard’s attorney, Kathleen DeLaney, said, “Please cease and desist from making false and misleading statements about alleged misconduct by Dr. Bernard in her profession, which constitute defamation per se. Moreover, to the extent that any statement you make exceeds the general scope of your authority as Indiana’s Attorney General, such a statement forms the basis of an actionable defamation claim."

Rokita repeated many of his Fox News remarks in a statement through his office on Thursday, when he further questioned whether Bernard had violated health privacy laws by disclosing the case's existence to the newspaper.

In a statement earlier Friday, Bernard’s employer, Indiana University Health, said it had “conducted an investigation with the full cooperation of Dr. Bernard and other IU Health team members” and “found Dr. Bernard in compliance with privacy laws.”

NBC News obtained a Terminated Pregnancy Report from the Indiana Department of Health showing Bernard had reported the procedure within the required timeframe. A Washington Post review of state records also found no issues with Bernard's medical license.

In Friday's letter, DeLaney said: “Your false and defamatory statements to Fox News on July 13, 2022, cast Dr. Bernard in a false light and allege misconduct in her profession. Even after the release of the TPR(Terminated Pregnancy Report) through public record requests, confirming that Dr. Bernard fully complied with all applicable reporting laws, your subsequent statements to local and national news sources on July 14, 2022, further cast Dr. Bernard in a false light and mislead consumers and patients.”

DeLaney also expressed concern that “given the controversial political context of the statements, such inflammatory accusations have the potential to incite harassment or violence from the public.”

A spokesperson for AG's office, Kelly Stevenson, said of the letter, “Like any correspondence, it will be reviewed if and when it arrives. Regardless, no false or misleading statements have been made.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...vRadFmzfkGzhUm1HZIUHhQNYVqqGBkFFoYto1Q4I

Typical response from them. "Even though we lied we didn't lie".

Your tears are tasty. The responsible humans save for retirement. If the rest of you dont, well you only have yourselves to blame. The govt will prop you up regardless.

First prize for the most childish post of the year. I think you may have had a brain-eating amoeba at some point.

My post is accurate.

Theres 3 types of people.

1) People who work hard and save for retirement
2) People who inherit retirement.
3) Slackers who live off the government teat.

I can guess which one you are.

NO, you can't. I guess you could guess, but if you think I live off a government teat, you'd be wrong. But part of our income is military retirement. Now shut up.

You just proved my point.

OH HELL NO! So Military retirement is "sucking the government teat"? Only a fascist radical extremist would say that, just like Trump.

How long were you in the military for? Your previous posts suggested it was not that long and you had other hustles.

4 years. BUT My wife did 20 and I said our income. But go ahead and tell me how you served. That's what I thought. Gamegirl.

What in the hell do you call saving through retirement accounts... gees,, that's a crazy argument

I try not to get too deep into political waters, so I apologize in advanced if I'm wrong... but is he referring to the American Rescue Plan as the bill republicans voted against? I get frustrated (with both sides) when politicians make statements like this... "they voted against pensions!" when the actual bill had a ton of other crap in it that people voted against... frankly, if he's referring to the American Rescue Plan, while it had some good things in it, it significantly affected the inflation we are experiencing and at the time I didn't think it was necessary... there was still money left from the previous stimulus bills that they could have used, but they decided to go big or go home...

If he's referring to another bill that I'm not aware of can you let me know...

This JD Vance dude running for senate here in ohio....like seriously, republican voters couldn't come up with somebody better?

yall really gonna let Tim Ryan moonwalk to a senate seat, huh. so we gonna have 2 dems as our senators?

i'm cool with that.

It's the American Rescue Plan. I find that funny when all you hear from the right is crying and wailing when the stock market tumbles. They say things like, "think about all those people's retirement and 401Ks." But the elect leaders who don't give a damn. Their leaders think working Americans were so spoiled with a couple $1200 checks during lockdowns that they have refused to work ever since... But they would never let big business or donors take a hit. Completely out of touch, bought, and paid for.

I don't think American's were spoiled by stimulus checks... there was a significant number of people that did take advantage of the covid benefits they received and choose to stay home and get paid rather than work... I experienced that at my own place of employment.... there also has been a major shift of people not wanting to work... the candidate pool for open jobs is much smaller now than it was prior to the pandemic... I'm not blaming this on the rescue plan... just stating an observation

I disagreed with the rescue plan as I felt it would significantly jump inflation... we were getting inflation anyway thanks to the previous rescue plans... I felt Biden's was un needed.

My bigger issue is politicians (on both sides) taking one small part of a bill and using that as a catch line to put down the other side... there are like 50 items in the rescue plan.. but if you don't vote for it then "you're against retirement"... it's ridiculous and both sides are guilty of that crap

A lot of those low-end jobs, like restaurants, can't compete with the gig jobs delivering their products. I don't blame anyone for dropping out of this economy, if I could I would. Hell, I've worked from home for years and this is the first time in my adult life that what I do seems to be considered anti-American. When the hell did punching a clock to make money for some mega corp or rich dude that pays you peanuts become popular? Screw that. It's not like there is ANY upward mobility now. Most middle class people are just working to get by. TO GET BY. Let that sink in.

Maybe we should let in more illegals to fill all of those jobs that had those used to being upper middle class happy again? Who knew it would be like this after Trump? ME, I knew it was a path to hell, just not this bad. Imagine how bad it would be if he had won and was sitting there lying about the inflation and economy because he only measured that by the standards of the super-wealthy. I've been telling people on this board for years we were headed here. You can only take from the poor and working class so long before it all goes to hell. And now it is.

I work for a Fortune 50 company. I have all the upwards mobility I want, but I have to be the agent of that. They won't just move me up, I have to go earn it. So far it's been a pretty good ride, though I have only been here since 2016.

AND how many companies are in the fortune 50? How many total employees? How many lower-income working-class Americans? How many of those would qualify for the jobs?

I ask these things not to be snarky, but rather to point out that statements like this from a narrow world perspective do not apply to the big picture in any way. I'm happy for you and anyone in a 'good' situation, but the vast majority of working poor are not in similar situations. Go into the backwoods of almost any state and you will find the working poor are in dire straights. You can mock them until the pitchforks come out, but then it will be too late to change your tune. People need to be able to cover the basics with one job, period.

Fortune 50 consists of the 50 largest US companies. We currently have roughly 450k employees worldwide.

I can't speak to other companies but we have a history of good pay and rewarding hard work. I am particularly happy with that the company restated its commitment to telework (for employees that can). I have been full time work from home since the pandemic started, though I had 2 days a week previously. They have indicated the idea has worked well, and we have accomplished more work, with less people and people have been happier since we have been full time WFH.

Not saying there aren't bad companies out there. But it doesn't need to be a large corporation to be a bad thing, I have worked for some real a-hole in "family" business.

Did you really think I needed the first paragraph? OMG

And some of the biggest corps in the world are a-holes just like you mentioned in your reply. Think Amazon, Walmart, Mcdonald's... I could go on and on. Low-wage earners can make more at Doordash than working in some of these jobs. And many people took advantage of the pandemic to find new work. They may not be back in the dead-end jobs they left, but they have to eat, so they are doing something. You don't get public aid just because you are lazy. At least I've never heard of that happening in reality, and not just some crap a hater spews that becomes more than an alt-fact.

It isn't clear to some people that Fortune 50 (or 500) is only US companies. I didn't realize it was a rhetorical question.

years ago I worked at McDonalds. It was a starting type job, I move up at the store level fairly quickly. My experience was there was a lot of people that were employed there that didn't think they were paid well enough for their time, but they didn't want to put in any effort to advance, mostly they wanted to complain. And while this is a limited sampling I did work at 4 different locations in the time i spent with them, both franchise and corporate.


I do understand they shifted the franchise model they had when I was there, but that was well after I wasn't there.

I worked at McDs as a teenager. The staff was mostly teenagers. With some young adults managers. Its a transitionary job. You have that until you land something better or finish your schooling. Only libtards want to work at McDs as a cashier as their life calling and want a living wage from that.

I bet you’re the reason all the ice cream machines are broken.

Again, for some. For others with issues, it may be the best they could get. Say for instance a person of color with a rap sheet when jobs are a little scarce. As I said, I understand your perspectives but they are narrow and pertain to you and others like you.

I haven't eaten a thing from Mcdonald's, except a couple of orders of fries during road trips, for over 20 years. I know they tried to make their menu seem more healthy, but that just made me think polished turds. Still the best fries last time I had them though.

No youre just clueless and dont understand the meaning of transitionary job.

I don't think there are very many things you could say in English that I would not understand. And I certainly understood that, but not everyone has those better opportunities readily available to them. I thought you lived in the hood, must be the nice hood. Areas of this country are poor as hell. And all the people in those areas struggle to move up the ladder. Some have the deck stacked against them. But you probably just write them off as takers and worthless, like you do military retirees.

I do have a question for you Eve, and this is not a jab or anything like that. I'd like to know what it's like defending the party that just made you a second-class citizen, not in control of your own body? I know you have conservative beliefs and most of the time I can respect that until you get all Trumpian or Rand Paul-style libertarian extremist. But tell me honestly how do you justify that to yourself? I can't see why any free-thinking woman would vote GOPer until that crap is reversed or codified. Especially knowing that if dems don't stop it, the next GOPer POTUS, if not very moderate, will sign onto the extremist nationwide ban.

I am pro-choice. I am sure the majority of people are, so govenor/state elect races will become more meaningful now. In the past the state positions were not that meaningful. So Im ok with more focus on the state level. I would also be ok with the constitution being ammended to state that people have autonomy over their own bodies. I would prefer the latter over the former.

If you think a libertarian is an extremist then I just have to laugh at you endlessly. You should probably go read about libertarians.

So you are done backing Trump types, like DeSantis if he's the candidate? Just curious since you said you voted for Biden. And I agree about state and local levels being more important now 100%.

I actually know quite a few Republicans that say they will vote for the dems until Trumpism is diminished and out of power. Thought you may be in that group.

And no, not libertarians as a whole, just Rand Paul and others like him. And yes, I know you like Rand, but he's an idiot and an extremist.

Rand Paul is not an extremist. He is a quasi-libertarian that would best be described as a Constituationalist.

I did not vote for Biden.

I will vote for anyone the GOP trots out there, if its a moderate. I am not a Trump fan. I like his policies but feel he is too immature for the job.

I would not vote for Biden because he is not in control. He is too old and mentally gone.

Ideally a moderate of either party will win. Based on the last election, thats too much to ask.

+1

My bad on voting for Biden, I thought it was you who said in a Trump vs. Biden you would have to vote for Biden again. But I couldn't find the post, so it must have been somebody else. Right now, I don't think there are any moderates on the right. They all jumped ship when the lunatics took the asylum. And I'm also hoping like hell Biden doesn't run for a second term, even if it's against Trump. I'd like to see somebody that's not a septuagenarian or older as the candidate.

They're there, they just don't get the headlines.

Many of which are getting labeled as RINO's and attacked by the Trumpians. The extremists are doing everything they can to destroy them. Of course I think the same thing applies in terms of the far left progressives acting the same way towards moderate Democrats to at least some extent.

Progressives aren't 'far' left. They are 'TRUE' left. There are many much farther left than progressives. Smfh.

Bruh, I gotta tellya:

I hate all these examples.
ALL of them.

I understand why folks use them, but I hate how banal and reductive they are.

Tucker Carlson, Who Works for Rupert Murdoch, Rails Against ‘Foreign-Born Billionaires’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucke...-on-fox-news?source=articles&via=rss

and then at the same damn time:

Tucker Carlson All Out Embraces 'Great Replacement' Theory

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tucker-carlson-embraces-great-replacement-035147356.html

and yea there's video so yall can see for yourselves if somehow the written article is "lol libtard biased".

we all know white conservatives are scared about being a minority demographic simply because they don't want to be treated the same way they treated minorities in this country throughout history.

i mean it's pretty pathetic they think that, but it also says a whooooole lot about them actually knowing their history and trying to rewrite it.

The socialists are at it again. Giving away free money when employers are having trouble filling job vacancies.


DeSantis uses federal COVID-19 relief funds to send nearly 60,000 Florida families a $450-per-child check to 'offset the costs of rising inflation'
Katie Anthony
Thu, July 21, 2022, 11:09 AM

Thousands of Florida families will receive one-time checks for $450 per child starting this week.

Gov. Ron DeSantis announced he set aside $35.5 million of COVID-19 relief funds to send out the checks.

The stimulus is aimed at offsetting the costs of inflation, according to state officials.

Thousands of low-income Florida families are expected to receive relief checks to help offset inflation costs.

Gov. Ron DeSantis' administration on Thursday announced he's re-allocating some COVID-19 relief funds and sending $450 per child directly to struggling families in the state.

"This one-time payment assists families who are being affected by rising inflation and preparing to send their children back-to-school," Laura Walthall, spokesperson for the Florida Department of Children and Families, said in a statement to Insider.

The governor has set aside $35.5 million from the state's $1 billion American Rescue Plan Act to send out the checks, according to an announcement from Florida First Lady Casey DeSantis.

Eligible recipients include foster parents, relative and non-relative caregivers, and families recieving funds from the Florida Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program or Guardianship Assistance Program, according to Walthall.

Florida's Department of Children and Families said they expect around 59,000 families to receive the check, and, like other COVID-19 relief funds, there's no application.


https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-uses-federal-covid-19-150914873.html

How do they caveat that so it doesn't classify as a misappropriation of funds? Maybe they don't have to...I'm just thinking about what would happen to me if I used procurement funds to fund R&D. Jail central.

Also, I thought a lot on the right were just complaining that these types of stimulii were what was causing the job opening glut and inflation happening in the first place? I guess it's just a matter of "who" and not "what?"

Well yeah, that's what they claim. You know, they're still living high on the hog on unemployment benefits that ended last September and a one time $1400 dollar stimulus check from last year. I'm not sure these people even hear themselves.

More 2020 voter fraud news.....

Barry Morphew pleads guilty to using missing wife's ballot to vote for Trump in 2020

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/ne...-wifes-ballot-to-vote-for-trump-in-2020/

Conspiracy-promoting sheriffs claim vast election authority

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — The sheriff in Kansas’ most populous county says he took it for granted that local elections ran smoothly — until former President Donald Trump lost there in 2020.

Now he’s assigned detectives to investigate what he claims is election fraud, even though there has been no evidence of any widespread fraud or manipulation of voting machines in 2020. Calvin Hayden in Johnson County, which covers suburban Kansas City, isn’t the only sheriff in the U.S. to try to carve out a bigger role for their office in investigating elections.

Promoters of baseless conspiracy theories that the last presidential election was stolen from Trump are pushing a dubious theory that county sheriffs can access voting machines and intervene in how elections are run — and also have virtually unchecked power in their counties.

Voting-rights advocates and election experts said any attempts by law enforcement to interfere in elections would be alarming and an extension of the threat posed by the continued circulation of Trump’s lies about the 2020 election.

“What we have seen time and again is that those who support the ‘Big Lie’ find conduits to groups of people who they think can help perpetuate this conspiracy theory and erode confidence in elections and potentially cast doubt on them going forward,” said David Levine, a former election official who is now a fellow with the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a nonpartisan institute with staff in Washington and Brussels whose mission involves combatting efforts to undermine democratic institutions.

To be sure, law enforcement can play an important role in elections by sharing intelligence, protecting election workers and equipment, and investigating potential election crimes. But that is typically done after election administrators request the help.

Hayden appeared at the “FreedomFest” in Las Vegas earlier this month, held by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, although his office said he is not a member of the group.

Onstage with him were sheriffs Dar Leaf of Barry County in southwest Michigan and Chris Schmaling of Racine County in Wisconsin, south of Milwaukee. Both say they are investigating election fraud claims, and both accuse state officials of violating election laws.

“We’ve been educating ourselves about elections,” Hayden told the gathering. “I’ve sent my detectives through — I’ve got a cyber guy. I sent him through to start evaluating what’s going on with the machines.”

Hayden, a Republican, did not elaborate and declined to be interviewed this week, citing what he said was his ongoing investigation. State and local election officials in Kansas said his office has not gained access to voting machines, and other Johnson County officials said there are no indications of any problems with the 2020 elections there.

The constitutional sheriffs’ group declares on its website that a sheriff’s power in a county is greater than that of any other official and “even supersedes the powers of the President.” Leaf filed a lawsuit in June against Michigan’s attorney general and secretary of state, accusing them of trying to stifle his investigation. He said a sheriff “has no superiors in his county.”

The “constitutional sheriffs” movement has gained visibility in recent years, as some sheriffs — including Hayden — resisted enforcing mask or vaccination requirements during the coronavirus pandemic.

“All of a sudden, it’s like the lights went on. It’s the sheriffs,” said Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of the election-conspiracy group True the Vote, speaking as part of a panel at the recent constitutional sheriffs gathering in Las Vegas. “That’s who can do these investigations. That’s who we can trust.”

It’s not clear how many sheriffs are part of the movement, though the national group’s founder, Richard Mack, said last year that about 300 of the nation’s 3,000 sheriffs were members, according to The Washington Post. Mack did not respond this week to telephone and email requests for an interview.

“It’s like a lot of these theories — it legally has no basis whatsoever,” said Stephen McAllister, the top federal prosecutor for Kansas during most of the Trump administration. “They are subject to state law. They are certainly subject to federal law. They are not sort of supreme little kings within their counties, whether they think so or not.”

Hayden said in a public statement that since the fall of 2021, he has received more than 200 tips alleging fraud in local elections. He said his department has a legal obligation to investigate “any criminal claim.”

But a memo from Peg Trent, Johnson County’s chief legal counsel, suggested Hayden went further in a July 5 meeting with her and county election officials.

Trent said Hayden questioned the use of ballot drop boxes at libraries, called for limiting the hours they would be available and offered to have his staff pick up the ballots. She said his staff also asked to have a deputy in the room as ballots are counted.

“As we discussed, my concern is that these requests give the appearance that the Sheriff’s office is attempting to interfere with an election,” she wrote in the July 7 memo, sent to Hayden, county commissioners and the county manager.

Hayden issued a statement that he would “whole-heartedly disagree” with her account of the meeting.

There is no evidence to support Trump’s claims of a stolen election in 2020 or to suggest widespread fraud or tampering with voting machines or ballot drop boxes. Dozens of legal claims made by Trump and his allies after the election were rejected by judges, including ones appointed by Trump.

“With the exception of a tiny handful of individual cases of voter fraud around the country, there is absolutely no reason to suspect that a crime was committed in 2020 with regard to the election,” said David Becker, a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney and election law expert who now leads the Center for Election Innovation and Research.

But false claims have sowed doubt among many Republican voters, triggered death threats to election officials and led to a host of new voting restrictions in GOP-controlled states. Trump allies have sought access to voting equipment and turned the normally routine process of certifying election results contentious.

“The danger of anyone embracing a conspiracy theory is the loss of confidence in election results,” said Chris Harvey, the former state elections director in Georgia. “It’s an added danger if it’s law enforcement. Their job is to enforce laws and maintain order. If they are seen as not having confidence in what’s going on, it’s just going to further trickle down into society.”

Harvey is part of a new group bringing together election officials and law enforcement. The Committee for Safe and Secure Elections is comprised of 32 current and former election and law enforcement officials, with a goal of build stronger relationships and providing training.

Kansas Secretary of State Scott Schwab, the state’s top election official, said Hayden has not contacted his office as part of his investigation. Schwab has repeatedly said he is confident that state elections ran well in 2020.

“I think overwhelmingly people trust the election system,” he said.

Hayden said during the Las Vegas gathering that his concerns about election fraud were piqued after Democrat Joe Biden carried Johnson County in the 2020 presidential election because the county had consistently “voted Republican” for more than a century. But that argument — made by election conspiracy promoters — ignores that Democrats have carried Johnson County multiple times in governor’s races during that time, including in Laura Kelly’s winning campaign in 2018.

Republicans maintain their traditional advantage in voter registration there, but Johnson County is more Democratic than it was 30 years ago.

“Johnson County going for Biden — well, that’s not an anomaly,” said Davis Hammet, leader of the Kansas voting-rights group Loud Light. “That happened in suburban counties all across the country.”

https://apnews.com/article/voting-r...9qujgWiZxo--34EL2I-tt-Nn7WhSQhu3kD3LxTdE


The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Matt Gaetz: Women Who 'Look Like A Thumb' Shouldn't Gripe About Abortion Rights
Mary Papenfuss
Sat, July 23, 2022, 9:23 PM·3 min read

Unattractive women who “look like a thumb” shouldn’t complain about losing abortion rights because they’re the “least” likely to get pregnant, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said in a jaw-dropping speech to college students at a conservative conference in Florida on Saturday.

“Have you watched these pro-abortion, pro-murder rallies?” Gaetz asked the crowd at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa. “The people are just disgusting. Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions?”

Video of the speech has received at least one million views on Twitter.

“Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb. These people are odious from the inside out,” the congressman continued. “They’re like 5′2″, 350 pounds, and they’re like, ‘Give me my abortions or I’ll get up and march and protest.’”

“A few of them need to get up and march — they need to get up and march for like an hour a day. Swing those arms, get the blood pumpin’, maybe mix in a salad.”



https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-gaetz-women-look-thumb-012346149.html

To this turd, anyone who is older than 14 probably 'looks like a thumb.'


Florida man Matt Gaetz: "Your daughters are safe the minute they graduate high school. Trust me."

A large segment of MAGAts think this way.

Matt Gaetz says pro-choice women who 'look like a thumb' don't need to worry about getting pregnant, video rant shows

Rep. Matt Gaetz mocked the physical appearances of women who are against the overturning of Roe V. Wade during a speech at a conservative conference in Florida on Saturday night.

Speaking to college students at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa, Gaetz referred to pro-choice women at rallies as "disgusting" and "odious on the inside and out."

Gaetz then argued that ugly women shouldn't be the ones to worry about access to abortions.

He said: "Why is that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions?"

Gaetz continued to make of pro-choice women, saying: "Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb."

The Florida congressman sneered at women who are "5-foot-2 and 350 pounds" and marched in protests against the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe V. Wade — the 50-year-old case that federally legalized abortions.

He said: "I'm thinking, march? You look like you've got ankles weaker than the legal reasoning behind Roe V. Wade."

Gaetz continued: "They need to get up and march for like an hour a day, swing those arms, get the blood pumping, maybe mix in a salad."

The speech was slammed by feminist media outlet Jezebel which referred to it as "cartoonishly misogynist."

Jezebel noted that Gaetz, who the Justice Department is investigating over whether he violated federal sex trafficking laws with a 17-year-old girl in 2019, has previously ridiculed women protesting against the abortion ruling.

In May, Gaetz tweeted: "How many of the women rallying against overturning Roe are over-educated, under-loved millennials who sadly return from protests to a lonely microwave dinner with their cats, and no bumble matches?"

Insider reached out to Gaetz for comment on Sunday morning but did not immediately receive a response.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mat...7g-Sq_Xp9L4c3AOJoGWJKqwEdwRAcTywfzDPTw_M

Man charged with threatening to kill ‘all of the Black people’ at a Tops market in Buffalo

In the call, Joey David George also allegedly threatened to target Black people at the nearby Tops grocery store where a white gunman killed 10 Black people in May.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/man-charged-threatening-kill-black-people-tops-market-buffalo-rcna39614

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene Says GOP 'Should Be Christian Nationalists' Party

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-202722384.html

republican voters will claim she doesn't represent the majority of them, yet more and more of the republican politicians get voted it, and say even more craziness than before.
and whats worse is that they actually mean it. they really do want the gop to be a christian nationalist party.

can't blame liberals for these nut cases. SOMEBODY claiming to hate "both sides" voted these psychos into office.

I at least appreciate her transparency now.

Did you think I was lying when I called them Christo-fascists? Smh.

Kinzinger says Trump is becoming 'irrelevant' and that GOP voters are 'being abused'
Taiyler Simone Mitchell
Sun, July 24, 2022, 7:36 PM

Kinzinger says Trump is becoming 'irrelevant' and that GOP voters are 'being abused'
House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol member Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) (L) and Vice Chairwoman Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) deliver opening remarks during a prime-time hearing in the Cannon House Office Building on July 21, 2022 in Washington, DC.

House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol member Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) (L) and Vice Chairwoman Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) deliver opening remarks during a prime-time hearing in the Cannon House Office Building on July 21, 2022 in Washington, DC.Photo by Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images
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Rep. Adam Kinzinger argued that "Trumpism isn't dying" on ABC News' "This Week."

He also told Republican voters that some GOP leaders are lying to them.

His remarks came after the Jan. 6 committee began airing details of Trump's involvement in the Capitol riot.

After he acknowledged the power and longevity of "Trumpism," Rep. Adam Kinzinger argued some members of the Republican party were taking advantage of pro-Trump voters by lying to them.


"Trumpism isn't dying, even though Trump is becoming irrelevant," the Illinois Republican said Sunday on ABC News' "This Week." I am hearing a lot of anecdotal stuff, around the edges, of people who've been hardcore with Trump that now just can't stand him."

His remarks come after the January 6 House Select Committee — of which he is one of two Republican members — has investigated and aired details about the 2021 attack on the Capitol. Kinzinger said he believes the committee has "proven" enough for the Department of Justice to incriminate Trump.

"I think the long term...in like five years, I still believe it's going to be hard to find someone that will ever admit they were ever a Trump supporter, and I think this is where this impact comes, in future history," Kinzinger added.

To those who still hold Trump in high esteem, Kinzinger said: "You are being abused."


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He insisted that Trump voters could direct their anger at him and Rep. Liz Cheney — the two Republicans on the January 6 committee — but maintained that "We're not the ones lying to you. It's the people you think are telling you what you want to hear. They're the liars, and [House Minority Leader] Kevin McCarthy is among them."

"Ladies and gentlemen and particularly my Republican friends, your leaders, by and large, have been lying to you. They know stuff very different than what they've been telling you. They know the election wasn't stolen, but they're going to send out fundraising requests, they're gonna take your money from you, and they're going to use you to stay in power," he added.




Kinzinger has decided not to run for re-election this year. H did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kinzinger-says-trump-becoming-irrelevant-233615877.html

My concern is that Kinsinger is a lone voice in a howling wind, and that things will continue along our current trajectory.

For as long as I've been alive, there has always been a GOP. I don't recognize it any more.

I agree. I can also say the same about the democratic party. It's almost as if centrifugal force is forcing both parties to the edges.

Tell me that when the dems attempt a violent coup. There is no comparison.

You and me both.

Geez, Matt Gaetz is such an arse.

Democrats are now the communist scourge just like in the days of FDR. Joe McCarthy would be so proud of you.

Careful with the purple. Apparently that can drag you into trouble on this forum

I think the purple you used was a lighter purple. Wasn't purple enough.

So can not using it. It's a lose/lose proposition either way.

To be fair, any old windbag can drop a single statement like that. You have to have truly elite-level douche-ness to lean into it as hard as he did.

I think we need codification of this at the next DT Town Hall meeting when we revise our by-laws.

As long as neither Kinzinger nor Cheney are involved in the running of the meeting.

I like the lighter purple. Easier to read against the dark background

I understand why you would. I just understand how many people consider precedence and protocol so important.

Maybe I should have used purple?

Steve Bannon Calls On '4,000 Shock Troops' To 'Deconstruct' The Government 'Brick By Brick'
Mary Papenfuss
Mon, July 25, 2022, 8:12 PM·2 min read

Fresh from a double contempt of Congress conviction linked to his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, Steve Bannon is now calling on “4,000 shock troops” to “deconstruct” the federal government “brick by brick.”

He wants to see people “stepping forward, say[ing], ’Hey, I want to be one of those 4,000 shock troops,” Bannon said on his “War Room” podcast Monday. “This is taking on and defeating and deconstructing the administrative state,” he added.

The incendiary comments evoked his ominous call the day before the U.S. Capitol riot, when he told supporters of then-President Donald Trump on his podcast: “All hell is going to break loose tomorrow. We’re on ... the point of attack ... strap in.”


Bannon was responding to an Axios report last week that Trump and his allies are already plotting to replace all federal officials and civil service workers with those whose key qualification would be slavish devotion to Trump if he retakes the White House in the 2024 election.

Bannon hailed the radical plot for Trump to take control of the nation. Former Trump campaign adviser Steve Cortes vowed on the podcast that Trump’s “next” term would be “far more consequential” than his last one. Both men were clearly familiar with the game plan.

Bannon had also called for “shock troops” to “immediately” seize control of the nation a month before the 2020 election, when he expected Trump to win reelection — or seize control of the vote results. “Pre-trained teams” need to be “ready to jump into federal agencies,” Bannon told NBC News then.

Bloomberg opinion columnist Jonathan Bernstein wrote Monday that “contempt for the rule of law” appeared to be a key qualification for workers in Trump’s future world in office, to fulfill his aim to “blow up the Constitution.”

Bannon was convicted Friday of two counts of contempt of Congress for blowing off a subpoena to provide documents and be interviewed by members of the House select committee about his activities linked to the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol — including plotting with Trump to overthrow presidential election results.

Bannon vowed to “go medieval” on his enemies when he was served with his subpoena last year and said he would make the charges against him the “misdemeanor from hell” for the Biden administration. Instead, he didn’t even take the stand in his defense. The jury determined he was guilty after deliberating less than three hours.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-bannon-calls-4-000-001203809.html

Can Beto flip Texas or will Republicans continue to embrace Abbott's fetish for creating a bastardized version of the Hand Maid's tale in Texas?

lol

Leave it to Democrats to believe (again) that a perfect caricature of the beta male is going to be the one to flip a state like Texas.

He did the whole record-breaking fundraising and media darling thing then too. Still couldn't even unseat Ted Cruz.

?
you mean the alpha couldn't unseat the beta male and his beta male voters. lets remember that Trump trashed this dude's family, and all ted cruz did was lick his boots and got rewarded for it. thats Beta male 101.

... and Beto couldn't beat him.

So since Cruz licked trump's boots after he called his wife ugly and claimed his dad was involved in the assassination of JFK, would you also call Cruz Beta? If not why? If so, why did you only call out Beto for it?

in deep red texas. stop it.

Ah, so you dislike the lighter purple? Lol

I did think about the appropriateness of using purple and creating a double negative when I was posting that.

Nope. Double-negative sarcasm has to be in lime green.

Yes, that is the original point. Dems thinking Beto is the one to flip seats/governorships in deep-red TX is hilarious.

"Beta" is probably the nicest describer I have for Cruz. Beto couldn't even unseat him with all the fundraising and media face time. It's just another example of Democrats somehow/someway not being able to put forward a candidate to unseat what should be a vulnerable Republican.

On that point I agree with you. Putting a hard core progressive up against a far right candidate in a hard line red district and expect to win is a foolish strategy.

But then on the other hand if you expect to get your agenda passed in the senate adding more Manchin's to the democratic party isn't a good strategy either. I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I don't think he is going to do anything one way or the other. Go back and read, I asked a question and didn't make a statement of any personal thought. The video just shows a republican switching to dems because the far right is off the rails and I wondered how many of those people there are. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

True. I was just kinda chuckling in a "here we go again" kinda way.

Chuck Grassley trying to get the base behind his reelection campaign:

FBI, DOJ accused of burying Hunter Biden dirt: Sen. Chuck Grassley

***-Go read his nasty little letter if you want-*** Dudes brain is mush.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/26/fbi-doj-accused-of-downplaying-hunter-biden-dirt/

JD Vance wants women to stay in abusive violent marriages. Christian Nationalism...

Trump out DeSantis in:

Lauren Boebert’s husband did jail time for "lewd exposure" in a bowling alley. She was there

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/31/la...posure-in-a-bowling-alley-she-was-there/

ahh, that good ole masculinity conservatives love so much. I guess her husband is a fine example of how a real man behaves! he was 24, she was 17, and got banned from the bowling alley.

good god, sup with republicans and republican voters supporting creeps who get banned from public places over something involving minors?

It's just insane that GOPers still think they are the "moral majority", as if they ever were. Smh. And this 'both sides fringes are to blame' crap is pure BS. But I'm an extremist ya know...

Some days I feel like I'm the only one I know with their eyes open.

yep... lost senate race... dropped out of presidential bid... now running for governor... I'm ready for Beto to go away...

Man we called it years ago about how conservatives wanted this country to be a Christian version of the Middle East. I remember the epic crap storms on this board about that.

And surprise surprise, look what’s happening:

War against women: check
War against the LGBT: check
Embrace of white nationalist/supremacist: check
Closest right wingers claiming both sides are at fault: check
Banning books: check
Trying to turn a secular government into a theocracy: check

Anybody who understands what this country is and isn’t knew this was coming.

People on this very board were claiming that us liberals were overreacting.

We have an entire political party openly embracing every bit of that now. So much for overreacting.

So they should just say screw it huh? Don’t even bother trying? Do you often give up on difficult task? Is this like you clowning AOC for doing her job AND continuing to fight to keep pressure on the issue?

Cause what’s the point, right?

They ain't ever giving AOC her props bro. lmao. She scares the hell out of them. Their worst nightmare would be President AOC. OMG! The constant racist barrage would be way worse than the Obamas' faced. Racism was mostly in the closet before he was elected.

All this forum is anymore is a bunch of hysterical radical left sobbing and throwing tanties. Nobody can take you seriously. Youre like cartoon characters on sponge bob.

You need to work on your TIRED ASS INSULTS.

The shoe fits, so there is no reason to change it.

"Tanties." I'll have to admit I haven't seen that one before.

AOC is ridiculous... she's an extremely progress hypocrite... I don't know if she's the worst nightmare... but an AOC president I think would be devastating for America...

She's a cartoon character too. She's a fake who only cares about photo ops.

I knew that was your opinion when I was writing this, lol. About 99% of the right thinks this way because of the relentless attacks on her. But you have every right to feel however you want about her, I'm cool with that. It is what it is.

AOC is a cartoon character and carries about as much seriousness as MTG, Bobert or Gohmer in my mind.

Why have you always been so hateful towards her? Did she steal your man or something? Are you jealous of how pretty she is? Or the attention she gets? This is really a pet peeve of yours, huh? I get the irrational hate level from most on the right with them being bombarded daily with so much nonsensical disinformation, but you take it to new lows every time the subject switches to her. She gets you completely unhinged like a special snowflake. I just can't stop laughing. I should just post random shots of her all the time because triggered Eve is hilarious!

I dont like her because she is fake. She has always been a fake. I dont like fake people. She trots out her bug eyes and horse teeth (thats hot to you? lol) for photo ops and drama to manipulate people like you for votes.

Here I'll post pictures for you. lol

Imagine making fun of the woman who is fighting for you to not be forced to keep a rape baby, but saying next to nothing about the people you vote for who wants to take the decisions away from you.

That’s modern conservatives in a nut shell. A demographic who literally foams at the mouth to vote for their own demise, and actively hates the people trying to save them from themselves.

We can’t communicate with that level of stupidity. Best I can do is put the land drones in conservative communities and watch conservatives like it’s Discovery Earth. Cause there’s no meaningful communication beyond that.

She's not fighting for anything. She is posing for photo ops and being dramatic for votes.

If she was actually fighting for something she would do her damn job in Congress legislating change. You know, the job she was elected to do.

You bought her shickt hook line and sucker.

She legislates as much as anybody. Ever hear of the Green New Deal? She shows up, that's another thing that I bet bothers you. I think you may even have the cat claws out a bit when you see her. lmao. You're funny.

That never passed. Try again.

She DID. It’s currently awaiting a vote in the senate. You’re not even paying attention, yet swear up and down you’re aware of what’s happening.

Imagine being so clueless that you think AOC hasn’t done her job correctly even though she’s doing exactly what you’re suggesting.

Again, conservative just demand their own demise. How people this proud to be openly ignorant? Reality TV isn’t reality, conservatives. It’s like their parents didn’t tell them to not take those shows seriously or something.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4132

No she did not. Someone else sponsored that Bill. She's too busy faking being arrested to write a bill.

She has voted on that bill twice in the house. Twice.

She has done her job. Do you know how the government works? Do you know how laws are passed? It gets voted on in the house, then it must pass the senate. After that, it goes to the presidents desk, where he can veto the bill, but can be ordered into law by supermajority.

AOC is a house rep. Not a senator. Are you saying she’s not doing her job because she isn’t a senator who can vote on the bill that already was approved in the House?

Should she be president, as well?

Maybe run for local sheriff?

I will say she brought the thunder during the Transdigm hearings. I thought she and Tlaib grandstood a little too much to where they diverted from the points of the hearing, but overall they presented some really good facts and advocacy in that hearing.

It's a shame that you have to spell this out to someone who could have just watched this, even once:




It's produced on a level that even she could understand, if her ears weren't already so packed full of ConProp and FoxFloss.

Oh, well.
It at least explains why her posts read as they do.

You've got what I'm saying totally backwards. They should try by getting someone in there that actually has a shot. It's funny you bring up AOC, she showed more balls than the bunch of them when she jumped down to TX after the ice storm that knocked power out to everyone and Cruz fled down to Cancun.

weird how she showed balls then, but according to you, wasn't being effective or doing more when she was protesting now. ya know, showing balls by standing up for whats right.

who in deep red texas has a better shot than a liberal dem who used to be a house rep and is from the state? i can't think of any other dem was who a better shot than him in texas. sometimes you just have to roll with what you have.

and again, its gonna be an uphill battle with any dem in a state filled with people who threaten to succeed from the union, and vote for their own demise. not impossible, but very difficult.

Apples/Oranges, and it's not even close.

Unlike the reality star you voted for and elected in 2016?

Matt Gaetz, under investigation for possible sex trafficking, was among 20 Republicans to vote against reauthorizing a sex-trafficking law

https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-gaetz-under-investigation-possible-114319700.html

I wonder if voters in his district can defend their support for this trash without saying the words democrats or liberals. Does men like this represent conservatives values? He keeps getting re-elected so….

You're expecting a lot out of the Floribama district.

Gaetz among 20 House Republicans who voted against anti-human trafficking bill

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was among the 20 House Republicans who voted on Tuesday against a bill that seeks to combat human trafficking.

The legislation, titled the Frederick Douglass Trafficking Victims Prevention and Protection Reauthorization Act, passed in a 401-20 vote, with all opposition coming from Republicans. Eight Republicans and one Democrat did not vote.

Gaetz, who is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice for sex trafficking allegations involving a minor, was among the Republicans who opposed the bill that aims to bolster programs including shelters, mental health care, education and job training for victims of human trafficking.

Gaetz was joined by GOP Reps. Brian Babin (Texas), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Ken Buck (Colo.), Andrew Clyde (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Andy Harris (Md.), Jody Hice (Ga.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Tom McClintock (Calif.), Mary Miller (Ill.), Troy Nehls (Texas), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Scott Perry (Pa.), Chip Roy (Texas) and Van Taylor (Texas).

The bill calls for allocating more than $1.1 billion over five years to reapprove and bolster programs that were created under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.

According to the measure, local educational agencies operating in a high-intensity sex trafficking area or a location with significant child labor trafficking would be prioritized for Frederick Douglass Human Trafficking Prevention Education Grants. Local educational agencies that work with nonprofit organizations focused on human trafficking prevention education and partner with law enforcement would also be prioritized, among other groups.

The legislation would also reauthorize the Department of Homeland Security’s Angel Watch Center, which is meant to prevent international sex tourism travel perpetrated by child sex offenders, and improve trafficking prevention education for children by including parents and law enforcement in child trafficking and online grooming prevention.

Additionally, it would allocate $35 million each fiscal year for housing options that would help women living with their abusers separate themselves.

News broke last year that Gaetz, who remains close to former President Trump, was under investigation by the Justice Department for allegations that he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl and financed her traveling with him. The Florida Republican has denied the assertions, claiming that he and his family “have been victims of an organized criminal extortion.”

Those allegations, however, crept back into the spotlight this week after Marc Short, who served as chief of staff to former Vice President Mike Pence, shot back at Gaetz over criticism of the ex-vice president.

Gaetz, in delivering remarks to Turning Point USA, a conservative student group, said, “Let me just say what everyone here knows: Mike Pence will never be president. Nice guy, not a leader.”

Asked about those comments on Monday, Short told CNN, “Well, I don’t know if Mike Pence will run for president in 2024, but I don’t think Matt Gaetz will have an impact on that. In fact, I’d be surprised if he’s still voting. It’s more likely he’ll be in prison for child trafficking by 2024.”

“And I’m actually surprised the Florida law enforcement still allows him to speak to teenage conferences like that. So, I’m not too worried what Matt Gaetz thinks,” he added.

Asked about his vote, Gaetz told The Hill the measure would serve as “a backdoor loophole for illegal immigration and amnesty.”

“The government’s failure to accurately and specifically define human trafficking allows this legislation to act as a backdoor loophole for illegal immigration and amnesty,” he said. “The bill also costs over half a billion dollars to implement and gives more taxpayer money to overfunded, inefficient grant programs.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ted-against-anti-human-trafficking-bill/

Hard to believe they let an accused child sex trafficker and pedophile vote on this bill.

Just horrific beyond belief.

I know he has me on ignore, but SuperBrown…anything you’d like to say about this?