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Posted By: northlima dawg Republicans-still at it-again - 03/10/24 09:33 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/news/firew...espite-jury-finding-hes-liable-for-rape/


FIREWORKS! George Stephanopoulos Battles Nancy Mace in Explosive Showdown About Her Backing Trump — Despite Jury Finding He’s Liable for Rape
Joe DePaoloMar 10th, 2024, 12:23 pm
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George Stephanopoulos and Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) battled for 10 minutes, Sunday, on the latter’s support of former President Donald Trump — despite the fact that two civil juries have found him liable of rape.

In one of the more contentious Sunday show interviews in recent memory, Stephanopoulos and the congresswoman battled on ABC’s This Week — with the fireworks starting right out of the gate. Stephanoulos opened the segment by playing testimony from Mace in the South Carolina legislature in which she revealed she was a victim of rape.

“Two separate juries have found [Trump] liable for rape and for defaming the victim of that rape,” Stephanopoulos said. “How do you square your endorsement of Donald Trump with the testimony we just saw?”


Mace was indignant in her response.

“I was raped at the age of 16,” Mace said. “And any rape victim will tell you — I’ve lived for 30 years with an incredible amount of shame over being raped. I didn’t come forward because of that judgment and shame that I felt. And it’s a shame that you will never feel, George. And I’m not going to sit here on your show and be asked a question meant to shame me about another, potential rape victim.”

“It’s actually not about shaming you,” Stephanopoulos said.

“No you are shaming me!” Mace replied.

“You’ve endorsed Donald Trump for president,” Stephanopoulos said. “Donald Trump has been found liable for rape by a jury. Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that rape by a jury. It’s been affirmed by a judge.”

“It’s not a criminal court case, number one,” Mace said. “Number two, I live with shame, and you’re asking me a question about my political choices, trying to shame me as a rape victim, and I find it disgusting.”

The congresswoman went on to attack E. Jean Carroll — the victim of the rape for which Trump was held liable.

“Quite frankly, E. Jean Carroll’s comments when she did get the judgment, joking about what she was going to buy, it makes it harder for women to come forward when they make a mockery out of rape,” Mace said. “When they joke about it.”

“Women won’t come forward because they’re defamed by those who perpetrate rape,” Stephanopoulos said.

The two continued to battle — with Mace taking offense in Stephanopoulos asking why she is supporting a man found by two juries to be liable of rape.

“As a rape victim who’s been shamed for years now because of her rape, you’re trying to shame me again by asking me this political question,” Mace said.

“You’ve repeated that again, and again, and again,” Stephanopouos said.

“It’s offensive!” Mace shot back.

Later, after Mace again noted that the verdict against Trump came in a civil court rather than a criminal court, Stephanopoulos asked, “Is that the distinction you’re making? A civil judgment is OK but a criminal judgment is not.”


“This is different!” Mace insisted

After additional back-and-forth, Mace fumed, “What you’ve done is offensive to women who have been raped. What you’ve done this morning is offensive.”

Unfazed, Stephanopoulos replied, “We’ll let the viewers decide about that.”

From there, the battle raged on — with Stephanopoulos confronting Mace about her flip-flop on whether Trump should hold office in the wake of the Jan. 6 attacks.

Watch above, via ABC.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/10/24 09:34 PM
Sen. Katie Britt acknowledges anecdote used to criticize Biden’s border policies didn’t happen during his presidency
Sam Fossum
By Samantha Waldenberg, Sam Fossum and Michelle Shen, CNN
2 minute read
Updated 5:23 PM EDT, Sun March 10, 2024





CNN

Alabama Sen. Katie Britt on Sunday acknowledged that the graphic anecdote she employed to criticize President Joe Biden’s border policies didn’t occur during his presidency.

During the Republican response to the State of the Union address on Thursday, Britt described a woman’s story of being “sex trafficked by the cartels starting at age 12” before saying, “President Biden’s border crisis is a disgrace. It’s despicable. And it’s almost entirely preventable.”

Asked by Fox News’ Shannon Bream on Sunday whether she meant to give the impression that the story had taken place during Biden’s time in office, Britt responded: “No, Shannon,” before criticizing the president’s border policies.

“I very clearly said I spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked when she was 12. So I didn’t say a teenager, I didn’t say a young woman, a grown woman. A woman, when she was trafficked, when she was 12,” Britt said.

In a detailed video posted on TikTok on Friday, freelance journalist Jonathan Katz tracked down what appears to be the story Britt referenced and found that it happened in Mexico in the mid-2000s.

Katz cited a 2023 press release from Sen. Marsha Blackburn, who, along with Sens. Britt and Cindy Hyde-Smith, went to Eagle Pass, Texas, in January 2023 – shortly after Britt took office – to hear from Karla Jacinto Romero, a human trafficking survivor, among others.

“The Senators learned about cartel activity in Mexico and the work being done to rescue victims of human trafficking,” the press release said.

Jacinto Romero has shared her story publicly, including in a 2015 hearing on sex trafficking held by the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Global Human Rights. Through a translator, she said that for four years, starting from the age of 12, she was “emotionally and sexually violated time and time again.” She explained how, at age 16, she was able to escape to a shelter and “grow into the activist” she became.

Britt has previously referenced the story she gave Thursday – including on Capitol Hill on September 27, 2023, according to her social media account.

White House spokesman Andrew Bates told CNN in a statement Sunday, “Instead of telling more debunked lies to justify opposing the toughest bipartisan border legislation in modern history, Senator Britt should stop choosing human smugglers and fentanyl traffickers over our national security and the Border Patrol Union.”

Senate Republicans last month blocked a major bipartisan border deal and foreign aid package that would have enacted restrictive border measures amid a torrent of attacks on the bill by former President Donald Trump and top House Republicans.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/katie-britt-sotu-response-immigration-biden/index.html
Posted By: mgh888 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/11/24 08:12 AM
That seems like fake outrage to deflect from an uber challenging question rather than a genuine reaction. jmo but political expedency.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/11/24 04:41 PM
Young Republicans Leader Charged With 'Sexual Torture'

The leader of a local Young Republicans chapter in Alabama was arrested last week in connection with the death of another man, with charges against him including a count of "sexual torture."

On Thursday, deputies with the Madison County Sheriff's Office discovered a dead body later identified as 54-year-old Derek Franklin Walls of Harvest, Alabama, after being called to a home on the 1700 block of Capshaw Road. Later that same day, it was announced that deputies had arrested 36-year-old Kyle Hayden Lewter in connection with Walls' death.

Lewter is a well-known member of the community, having served as chairman since 2022 for the Madison County chapter of the Young Republicans National Federation (YRNF), a political organization dedicated to registered GOP members between the ages of 18 and 40. According to a personal listing uncovered by a local CBS News affiliate, he was also an administrator of clinical research at the O'Neal Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB).

The same affiliate also noted that Walls was the son of Clarence Walls, a former Alabama Republican Party staffer who passed away in 2021.

According to authorities, Walls died after a "physical altercation" that did not involve a firearm. They also confirmed that he and Lewter were known to each other prior to their alleged encounter. His exact cause of death is pending an autopsy.

"As we reported the victim and offender knew each other and got into a physical altercation that resulted in the victim being injured," the sheriff's office wrote in an official Facebook post on Friday. "It appears he died as a result of those injuries. Detectives are awaiting autopsy results, but again we have confirmed that the victim was not shot."

Lewter has since been booked at the Madison County Jail, with the sheriff's office ordering him "to be held without the possibility of posting a bond." Among the charges leveled against him in connection with Walls' death, he faces one count of "sexual torture," with the specific charge alleging "sexual abuse using inanimate object." It is unclear based on currently available information what Lewter allegedly did that resulted in this charge.

Newsweek reached out to the Madison County Sheriff's Office via email on Sunday evening for comment. Any responses received will be added to this story in a later update.

Walls' family has set up a GoFundMe page to help cover funeral expenses. As of Sunday evening, it had raised $2,590 of its $5,000 goal.

https://www.newsweek.com/young-repu...5hPn4lXAz2UpmOB0bqzBjEnsHwBaNUUDI4MDrPSw
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/11/24 06:25 PM
Conservatives seize counselor shortage to press school chaplains

Conservative states are pushing to allow chaplains in public schools, in theory to help solve a persistent shortage of counselors.

Why it matters: The youth mental health crisis and an uptick in school shootings have plagued the education system. But the idea of putting religious figures on school grounds has drawn sharp criticism for constitutional and safety reasons from civil rights groups, faith groups and chaplains themselves.

Since Texas introduced it own blueprint last year, allowing schools to use safety funds to hire chaplains who do not have the same licensing as counselors, similar bills have ricocheted across more than a dozen states including Florida, Georgia, Nebraska, Utah and Kansas.

In Oklahoma, chaplain bills recently fell apart, though critics warn they might not be gone forever.

In some states' bills, parental consent is not required, nor is the level of training, expertise and licensing typically required of school counselors.

"It is not the role of public schools to serve the kids with regard to their religious needs," Holly Hollman, general counsel of Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and the daughter of a chaplain, told Axios.

By the numbers: The ratio for students to counselors in U.S. schools was 385:1 for the 2022-2023 school year, per the American School Counselor Association. The association recommends 250:1.

A counselor typically serves as a career guide who also deals with social/emotional learning, academic struggles, relationships, bullying and harassment.

Experts recommend schools have counselors, psychologists and social workers. However, that ratio was 1,119:1, more than double the recommendation.

State of play: Florida's legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would allow unlicensed chaplains to volunteer at public schools. It will become law in July if Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) doesn't veto it, which is not expected.

The only requirement is chaplains pass a background check and allow their name and religious affiliation be posted on the school's website.

While the bill's sponsor brushed off objections, saying chaplains have been in "institutions for centuries," detractors raised alarm bells over the distinction between chaplains being available in a school versus a prison, hospital or military post.

"We think that that is a violation of the Constitution and goes beyond even the rulings of the Supreme Court has issued recently." Nancy Lawther, Florida PTA legislation committee chair, told Axios.

Zoom out: States that have pursued chaplains in schools argue the U.S. Supreme Court is on their side.

They point to a 2022 decision in support of a fired Washington football coach who would publicly pray with players following games.

In its ruling, the Supreme Court said those prayers are constitutional as long as students are not coerced to participate. States argue the same reasoning applies to chaplains providing counseling services.

The National School Chaplain Association didn't immediately to Axios' request for comment.

The big picture: There's a shortage in practically every role in the U.S. school community, from substitute teachers to bus drivers, often forcing whoever is available to perform multiple duties, from administrative tasks to actual crisis response.

School counseling as a profession has a pipeline problem, with education costs to meet masters degree requirements a major barrier. That's along with low pay, few pathways to enter the field and the expectation of performing several extra duties.

The counselor job has also become more politicized, with some getting doxxed or subjected to right-wing, misinformation-driven attacks, often related to the conservative angst around youth gender identity and sexual orientation.

Reality check: Texas required school boards to weigh in on allowing chaplains and how such programs would look look, which some have delicately sidestepped or outright rejected.

In Florida, Lawther said she expects school board attorneys will be "burning the midnight oil" to set parameters around what's considered a permissible program.

Facing a constitutional burden, "as in Texas, the larger districts may say, 'No thanks,'" she said.

Between the lines: Those who oppose the school chaplain movement say it reflects a rise in Christian nationalism in the U.S. — even as most young people sour on religion.

Florida state Sen. Shev Jones (D), who voted against the state's legislation, speculated it could be a springboard for the legislature to expand on in the future.

He implored for his colleagues to apply the energy and time on school chaplains "to push for mental health services for our children and funding more counselors in our schools."

For now, the focus remains in other areas. Last year, Florida passed a bill requiring local boards mandate the state motto be displayed in all its schools.

The motto: In God We Trust.

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/11/ch...PbP5-1Am_NM32COjMagL63v0D1ypqhMUD0lbAULc
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/12/24 02:58 PM
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/12/24 04:13 PM
Ex-Trump adviser Peter Navarro ordered to report to jail on March 19

He was sentenced to four months for defying a subpoena from the Jan. 6 panel.

Former Trump White House adviser Peter Navarro has been ordered to report to jail in Miami on March 19 to begin his four-month sentence after he defied a subpoena from the House Select Committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Navarro was convinced in September of two counts of contempt of Congress for refusing to provide testimony and documents to the committee.

According to court papers filed late Sunday night by Navarro's attorneys, he must report to prison in Miami by March 19 at 2 p.m. ET.

"Dr. Navarro has now been ordered to report to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons, FCI Miami, on or before 2:00PM EDT on March 19, 2024," Navarro's attorney said. "Accordingly, Dr. Navarro respectfully reiterates his request for an administrative stay."

Navarro, who was not allowed to stay out of jail pending his appeal, has been trying to convince a federal appeals court to stay his sentence while he attempts to overturn his conviction.

In testimony during Navarro's trial, former Jan. 6 committee staff director David Buckley said the House panel had been seeking to question Navarro about efforts to delay Congress' certification of the 2020 election, a plan Navarro dubbed the "Green Bay Sweep" in his book, "In Trump Time."

Navarro unsuccessfully argued that former President Donald Trump had asserted executive privilege over his testimony and document production.

In a statement issued in response to the order, Navarro called his case "a landmark constitutional case that will eventually determine whether the constitutional separation of powers is preserved, whether executive privilege will continue to exist as a bulwark against partisan attacks by the legislative branch, and whether executive privilege will remain, as President George Washington pioneered, a critical instrument of effective presidential decision-making."

"That's worth fighting for on behalf of all Americans," Navarro said.

Navarro would become the first former Trump adviser to report to jail for actions related to the Jan. 6 attack.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-adv...2gu-8AGDnZ6MciugdZwkQU2ZJrcTlkGrd5y9RqNU
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/12/24 04:25 PM
Trump says he considers Facebook ‘an enemy of the people’

Former President Trump on Monday said he views Facebook as “an enemy of the people” as he reiterated his opposition to a ban on TikTok.

“Frankly, there are a lot of people on TikTok that love it. There are a lot of young kids on TikTok who will go crazy without it. There are a lot of users,” Trump said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”

“There’s a lot of good and a lot of bad with TikTok. But the thing I don’t like is, without TikTok you can make Facebook bigger. And I consider Facebook to be an enemy of the people, along with the media,” Trump added.

CNBC journalists noted Trump previously described TikTok as a national security threat during his first term in the White House.

Trump said he still believes that’s the case, saying the government must protect Americans’ “privacy and data rights.”

“If you look at some of our American companies … they’re not so American,” Trump said. “They deal in which, and if China wants anything from them, they will give it. So that’s a national security risk also,” he said.

“But when I look at it, I’m not looking to make Facebook double the size, and if you ban TikTok, Facebook and others, but mostly Facebook, will be a big beneficiary,” Trump added.

The former president confirmed he recently met with Jeff Yass, a major GOP donor and investor in TikTok. But he said Yass did not bring up TikTok during the conversation.

Trump last Friday voiced skepticism about banning TikTok after lawmakers introduced bipartisan legislation that would require the app’s China-based parent company ByteDance to divest from ownership or face a U.S. ban.


The House Energy and Commerce Committee unanimously advanced the legislation Thursday.

When Trump was in office in 2020, he vowed to ban the video-based social media app from operating in the U.S. and issued an order calling on ByteDance to divest from TikTok’s U.S. operations. However, the order was later blocked in court.

Facebook banned Trump in January 2021 in the wake of the Capitol riots, during which hundreds of his supporters attempted to stop the certification of the 2020 election results.

The former president spent months spreading false claims about the election on social media in the lead-up to the insurrection.

Meta, which is Facebook’s parent company, reinstated Trump last year.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ehm8ZtcZ2i8yEw4zpIhPj1uHLwCXU9Ibx2NV5Avg

He was for banning TicTok until he met with one of its billionaire investors. Now he's against banning TicTok. Things that make you go hmmmm for $500 Alex.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 05:59 PM
RNC to add new lawyers focusing on claims of election fraud – including one key figure from 2020 challenges

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-add-lawyers-focusing-claims-035351726.html

Well, I guess this is one way to spend campaign money lmao
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 06:11 PM
I'd like to get some Republican/conservative perspective on what they think is happening to the RNC right now.

From my perspective, I see a lot of arguments saying "Stop making everything about Trump!" Meanwhile, Trump takes over the RNC, guts it and pretty much turns it into an engine just for him, with a puppet chair.

I'd be a little concerned on that front if I were still a Republican.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 06:14 PM
Your description is obviously what has happened. He made it plain who he wanted to run it. He made it plain his daughter in law should be second in charge. The Republican party did exactly as they were told to do.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 06:20 PM
One goose step forward. 70 years of cultural advancement reversed.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 07:32 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but isn't this how it usually works (more or less) once someone has the nomination locked up?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 07:48 PM
My understanding is that the Convention basically gets behind whoever the candidate is and then they throw their resources behind getting them elected, but they still remain "apart." Before that, they're supposed to maintain neutrality.

You never really saw a campaign basically take over the RNC. Here, we have the candidate putting in his daughter-in-law as co-chair, with quite the culling to ensure loyalty. Ronna McDaniel, who was in charge of the committee during his last two runs, was basically ousted. Probably doesn't help that her uncle is stepping out of politics this year, too.

Honestly, the closest I had seen this happen before was the 2016 DNC when they screwed over Sanders in favor of Hillary, but that was more the DNC overreaching than a campaign overreaching. Here, I think we have the opposite.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 10:24 PM
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Ex-Trump adviser Peter Navarro ordered to report to jail on March 19

He was sentenced to four months for defying a subpoena from the Jan. 6 panel.

So when are Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows going to jail for the same thing?
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/13/24 10:27 PM
Trump once wanted to get rid of Tic Tok.. He was all for it. Now a one of his large donors who happens to have a stake in Tic Tok wants him to leave it alone so he's jumping off the "hate" tic tok bandwagon and onto the "hate" Facebook bandwagon.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/14/24 12:05 AM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Conservatives seize counselor shortage to press school chaplains

Conservative states are pushing to allow chaplains in public schools, in theory to help solve a persistent shortage of counselors.

Why it matters: The youth mental health crisis and an uptick in school shootings have plagued the education system. But the idea of putting religious figures on school grounds has drawn sharp criticism for constitutional and safety reasons from civil rights groups, faith groups and chaplains themselves.

Since Texas introduced it own blueprint last year, allowing schools to use safety funds to hire chaplains who do not have the same licensing as counselors, similar bills have ricocheted across more than a dozen states including Florida, Georgia, Nebraska, Utah and Kansas.

In Oklahoma, chaplain bills recently fell apart, though critics warn they might not be gone forever.

In some states' bills, parental consent is not required, nor is the level of training, expertise and licensing typically required of school counselors.

"It is not the role of public schools to serve the kids with regard to their religious needs," Holly Hollman, general counsel of Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and the daughter of a chaplain, told Axios.

By the numbers: The ratio for students to counselors in U.S. schools was 385:1 for the 2022-2023 school year, per the American School Counselor Association. The association recommends 250:1.

A counselor typically serves as a career guide who also deals with social/emotional learning, academic struggles, relationships, bullying and harassment.

Experts recommend schools have counselors, psychologists and social workers. However, that ratio was 1,119:1, more than double the recommendation.

State of play: Florida's legislature on Thursday passed a bill that would allow unlicensed chaplains to volunteer at public schools. It will become law in July if Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) doesn't veto it, which is not expected.

The only requirement is chaplains pass a background check and allow their name and religious affiliation be posted on the school's website.

While the bill's sponsor brushed off objections, saying chaplains have been in "institutions for centuries," detractors raised alarm bells over the distinction between chaplains being available in a school versus a prison, hospital or military post.

"We think that that is a violation of the Constitution and goes beyond even the rulings of the Supreme Court has issued recently." Nancy Lawther, Florida PTA legislation committee chair, told Axios.

Zoom out: States that have pursued chaplains in schools argue the U.S. Supreme Court is on their side.

They point to a 2022 decision in support of a fired Washington football coach who would publicly pray with players following games.

In its ruling, the Supreme Court said those prayers are constitutional as long as students are not coerced to participate. States argue the same reasoning applies to chaplains providing counseling services.

The National School Chaplain Association didn't immediately to Axios' request for comment.

The big picture: There's a shortage in practically every role in the U.S. school community, from substitute teachers to bus drivers, often forcing whoever is available to perform multiple duties, from administrative tasks to actual crisis response.

School counseling as a profession has a pipeline problem, with education costs to meet masters degree requirements a major barrier. That's along with low pay, few pathways to enter the field and the expectation of performing several extra duties.

The counselor job has also become more politicized, with some getting doxxed or subjected to right-wing, misinformation-driven attacks, often related to the conservative angst around youth gender identity and sexual orientation.

Reality check: Texas required school boards to weigh in on allowing chaplains and how such programs would look look, which some have delicately sidestepped or outright rejected.

In Florida, Lawther said she expects school board attorneys will be "burning the midnight oil" to set parameters around what's considered a permissible program.

Facing a constitutional burden, "as in Texas, the larger districts may say, 'No thanks,'" she said.

Between the lines: Those who oppose the school chaplain movement say it reflects a rise in Christian nationalism in the U.S. — even as most young people sour on religion.

Florida state Sen. Shev Jones (D), who voted against the state's legislation, speculated it could be a springboard for the legislature to expand on in the future.

He implored for his colleagues to apply the energy and time on school chaplains "to push for mental health services for our children and funding more counselors in our schools."

For now, the focus remains in other areas. Last year, Florida passed a bill requiring local boards mandate the state motto be displayed in all its schools.

The motto: In God We Trust.

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/11/ch...PbP5-1Am_NM32COjMagL63v0D1ypqhMUD0lbAULc

Vile indoctrination into the cult.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/14/24 12:11 AM
Trump flip flops on tiktok being evil after billionaire with 10’s of billions at stake invested in tiktok’s CHINESE parent company Bytedance visits him at Mar-a-lago… Trummp just took a payoff to change policy while his China hating cult sleeps on it..
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/14/24 12:58 AM
That whole thing looked sleazy as hell. You know it’s bad when he comes out against something like the TikTok ban and those loyal to him in congress still go ahead and pass it. Even the MAGA caucus was like “yeah, we should still pass this…”

Extremely rare display of “disloyalty.”
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/14/24 02:51 AM
Well call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think that Google and Meta/Facebook are silently promoting that “ tic-tok is the pawn of the Chinese government theme” to strengthen their position in the marketplace, and are mad that there is another source for obtaining personal data…
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/14/24 02:28 PM
I don't think that's all that much of a conspiracy. It's more like the way business is ran. They have a financial vested interest in doing away with their top competitor.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 01:11 PM
breaking news ….DA Fani Willis can stay on trump racketeering election case. Nathan Wade will be asked to be removed from prosecution team.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 01:35 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/14/...t-with-trump-after-sweeping-changes.html

Michael Whatley, an ally of Donald J. Trump who took over the Republican National Committee last week, celebrated a series of major changes at the committee in a memo on Thursday and declared that the party would be “a united operation, and a united front” with Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.

Mr. Whatley was unanimously elected on Friday as the committee’s chair, along with Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law, as his co-chair. A whirlwind of changes soon followed, remaking much of the party apparatus from top to bottom.

On Monday, the new leadership team gutted the committee, severing ties with more than 60 officials, including senior staff members. On Tuesday, Christina Bobb, a self-described 2020 election denier and conspiracy theorist on Mr. Trump’s legal team, said she was joining as senior counsel for election integrity.


How about that. The party of law and order has an indicted criminal in charge.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 02:13 PM
And they let a crook have keys to the bank.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 02:26 PM
GOP nominee to run North Carolina public schools called for violence against Democrats, including executing Obama and Biden

The Republican nominee for superintendent overseeing North Carolina’s public schools and its $11 billion budget has a history marked by extreme and controversial comments, including sharing baseless conspiracy theories and frequent calls for the execution of prominent Democrats.

Michele Morrow, a conservative activist who last week upset the incumbent Superintendent of Public Instruction in North Carolina’s Republican primary, expressed support in 2020 for the televised execution of former President Barack Obama and suggested killing then-President-elect Joe Biden.

In other comments on social media between 2019 and 2021 reviewed by CNN’s KFile, Morrow made disturbing suggestions about executing prominent Democrats for treason, including Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar, North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, Sen. Chuck Schumer and other prominent people such as Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates.

“I prefer a Pay Per View of him in front of the firing squad,” she wrote in a tweet from May 2020, responding to a user sharing a conspiracy theory who suggested sending Obama to prison at Guantanamo Bay. “I do not want to waste another dime on supporting his life. We could make some money back from televising his death.”

In another post in May 2020, she responded to a fake Time Magazine cover that featured art of Obama in an electric chair asking if he should be executed.

“Death to ALL traitors!!” Morrow responded.

In yet another comment, Morrow suggested in December 2020 killing Biden, who at that time was president-elect, and has said he would ask Americans to wear a mask for 100 days.

“Never. We need to follow the Constitution’s advice and KILL all TRAITORS!!! #JusticeforAmerica,” she wrote.

CNN reached out to Morrow and her campaign multiple times but did not receive a response.

From activist to candidate

Last Tuesday, Morrow defeated Catherine Truitt, the incumbent North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction, in the Republican primary. Morrow, a registered nurse and grassroots activist who homeschooled her children, ran on a platform of supporting parental rights and opposing critical race theory.

As superintendent, Morrow would oversee the state’s public school system and help set educational priorities, manage the school system’s budgets, and work with the state’s Board of Education to set and implement curriculum standards. Her website lists endorsements by “conservative school boards” but remains light on changes she’d make if elected.

Morrow has in the past called public schools “socialism centers” and “indoctrination centers.”

In a campaign speech in February, Morrow advocated for a constitutional amendment to abolish the state Board of Education, which sets policies and procedures for public schools in the state. Doing away with the board would put direct control over the state’s education agenda under the superintendent and the state legislature, which is currently controlled by Republicans.

“I’d like to see a constitutional amendment to get rid of the state Board of Education,”she said. “If the superintendent is elected and works under the legislature - knowing that they’re accountable to the legislature to oversee the DPI and to oversee and have impact into the superintendents in the 115 districts, I think we would be so much better off because you don’t have all these extra people right in mix.”

Morrow has espoused a wide range of extreme views on social media in recent years. Many of her past extreme comments were made on her now-dormant personal Twitter account — which is separate from her campaign account.

Morrow also promoted QAnon slogans and tweeted that the actor Jim Carrey was “… likely searching for adrenochrome” – a reference to a conspiracy theory shared by QAnon believers that celebrities harvest and drink the blood of children to prolong their own lives. Media Matters, a left-leaning publication, was first to report the QAnon tweets.

All together, Morrow tweeted “WWG1WGA” – the slogan that stands for “where we go one, we go all” and is commonly associated with the QAnon conspiracy – more than seven times in 2020.

Central to QAnon lore is the notion of the “Storm,” a belief there will be a day when thousands will purportedly be arrested, subjected to military tribunals, and face mass executions for their alleged crimes, with Donald Trump leading efforts to dismantle them alongside other QAnon “patriots.”

Violent fantasies about executing Democrats

Morrow’s post about publicly executing Obama was just one of numerous she has made espousing carrying out violent fantasies against Democrats.

On Twitter, the platform now known as X, and on the now-defunct conservative Twitter alternative, Parler, Morrow used the hashtag “#DeathtoTraitors” a combined 12 times – usually in relation to prominent Democrats.

“Obama did it. Hillary did it. Schiff did it. Comey did it. Yates did it. Holder did it. Clapper did it. Gates did it. Fauci did it. Time for #WeThePeople to DO IT and #DrainTheSwamp!!!!! #NoJusticeNoCountry #DeathToTraitors #ProsecuteThemNow #TakeBackAmerica .@dbongino #KAG,” she wrote in one tweet from May 2020,



In another post from July 2019, Morrow targeted Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar and other Democrats, suggesting their impending death for unspecified “treason.”

“@IlhanMN and her other law-hating Dems must be getting a little nervous. Are they just realizing the punishment for treason is death?!?” Morrow wrote.

In a post on Parler, Morrow used the hashtag #deathtotraitors in discussing the Democratic governors of North Carolina and New York, Cooper and Cuomo. Morrow publicized her Parler handle in a tweet and CNN found the deleted Parler posts on the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

“Our Communist sympathizer, Comrade Cooper, has the same plans for NC!Expose them NOW!Can we we see the CCP list, @SecPompeo??? #PrisonTimeforFederalCrimes #DeathToTraitors #FreeOurCitizens,” Morrow wrote in 2020, discussing restrictions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

In other posts on Parler, Morrow shared posts from other users and a QAnon account about locking up Democrats at Guantanamo Bay and prisons.

Morrow’s ire also went beyond Democrats, including one post in December 2020 calling for putting Republican Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia in prison after he certified Georgia’s results for Joe Biden in that year’s presidential election.

Shared conspiracies and made anti-Muslim comments

In other comments, Morrow repeatedly shared the false claim that Obama was Muslim, called Islam evil, and expressed belief in a conspiracy theory that tens of thousands of Chinese troops were stationed in Canada to invade the United States to help Joe Biden become president.

“Tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers are already in Canada and probably Mexico waiting for orders to invade,” she wrote on January 8, 2021.

In another post from September 2019, Morrow said that Barack Obama (referred to as B.O.) was a puppet for the “Deep State” and the “Muslim movement” and suggested he pay the highest penalty for his alleged crimes.

“B.O. was a puppet for the Deep State and the Muslim movement to destroy our Constitutional Republic. We cannot give up until ALL the guilty pay the highest penalty for their crimes. We will lose our country #SAVEOURNATION #JusticeForAll #TraitorsMustPay

“The DEEP STATE globalists and Muslim extremists, intent on destroying America, placed Omar and MANY others into our govt. #WakeUpAmerica #IslamIsEvil #ToleranceIsDeadly,” she wrote in January 2020.

In one post, Morrow said Muslims should be banned from elected office in the United States and said Rep. Omar, who came to the United States as a refugee, should, “head back to Somalia.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/poli...le-morrow-executing-democrats/index.html
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 03:08 PM
She sounds nice.

Sadly, she reminds me of a poster or two around here.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 03:19 PM
And you know, it's not so bad when people such as her are nothing more than random posters on a message board. However, putting them in charge of an entire states education system that has over one million students is a different matter all together.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
My understanding is that the Convention basically gets behind whoever the candidate is and then they throw their resources behind getting them elected, but they still remain "apart." Before that, they're supposed to maintain neutrality.

You never really saw a campaign basically take over the RNC. Here, we have the candidate putting in his daughter-in-law as co-chair, with quite the culling to ensure loyalty. Ronna McDaniel, who was in charge of the committee during his last two runs, was basically ousted. Probably doesn't help that her uncle is stepping out of politics this year, too.

Honestly, the closest I had seen this happen before was the 2016 DNC when they screwed over Sanders in favor of Hillary, but that was more the DNC overreaching than a campaign overreaching. Here, I think we have the opposite.

I actually LIKE Laura Trump in there. It’s almost guaranteed Donny will bankrupt the RNC and kill the lower ballot candidates. If we keep Trump out of office and he fleeces them, they’ll be a decade or more trying to rebound. Personally, I think the complete RNC takeover screams desperation for cash, and if things go south in Trump’s campaign, he use every dime they have and bring in to pay his personal attorney bills and or his judgements. The whole world knows he’s all but broke at this point.

But this clip is fuel for those that dispise him and makes it obvious that Laura is playing the role of Trump’s puppet in the RNC building. Trump is now a big loser at the polls, has his hands in the RNC’s pockets, and they are all-in on re-electing that traitor. What could go wrong? Lmfao@GOPers.

Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/15/24 11:08 PM
The way I see it, if people are ignorant enough to elect these trash ass GOPer fascists, then they deserve whatever they get. I feel sorry for the kids that will be forcefully indoctrinated into the White Nationalist Fascist MAGA Party. This will be a state where the schools will look a lot like scenes from the Hand Maid’s Tale.

IMHO, education should not be allowed to be political and anyone indoctrinating kids into HATE GROUPS should be handed their asses and shown the door. I would prefer a more violent end for that.

And that goes for anyone regardless of political affiliation.

Also, stories like this make me feel like we don’t kill enough people for the stupid ass crap they pull. We should be publicly executing traitors, kicking trash like MGT, Boebert, Jordan, and Gaetz out of politics. I remember when people like that couldn’t sniff a job in government let alone hold a seat. And if you want to know why America is going to hell in a hand basket carried by Trumpians… Just look at the quality of the people in congress now, and how well that is working out. You have a blonde tramp and brunette bimbo yelling profanities at POTUS, cussing reporters, and generally being a POS people. Then you have the absurdity of the right and it’s lies, alt facts, pinheaded twits who think Trump is a savior, and those that want to worship him like a golden idol. For Trump? I can’t fathom why people are still into him.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 10:57 AM
trump appointees to office:

Mike Pence
Bill Barr
John Bolton
HR McMaster
Mark Esper
Jim Mattis
John Kelly
Mick Mulvaney
Mark Milley

What they have in common as trump appointees to high offices.

They all believe he should never see the office again and that he is a danger to the country.

Officers of the highest positions in the US government with direct experience from serving with trump.

All stated on record they will not vote for him.

If that does not alert republican voters what will?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 11:13 AM
I know Pence said he wouldn't endorse Trump. That isn't the same as saying he wouldn't vote for him. Pence has said he would never vote for President Biden.

I will admit there may not be much distinction between the two.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 11:50 AM
Here are their own words.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...endorse-vote-abby-phillip-sot-nn-vpx.cnn
Posted By: bonefish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 12:34 PM
That's right.

The trump cabinet members glowing words for the ex-president.

Experience is a teacher.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 12:46 PM
But, but, but, Ttrump said he was the greatest president ever!
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 01:21 PM
It is quite an unprecedented, disturbing fact.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 01:32 PM
I can't believe that Nancy Mace is that dumb. What he was asking basically is how she can support a rapist? She comes back with Fake outrage over her own rape. He should have asked her if she would support her rapist just to see how she handles that question.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I know Pence said he wouldn't endorse Trump. That isn't the same as saying he wouldn't vote for him.

rofl that’s the entire GOP in a nutshell bro. Man you can’t make this crap up. We’re doomed.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 04:02 PM
Trump says if he doesn't get elected it's going to be a bloodbath........

Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/17/24 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish

Facts don’t work on GOPers bone.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 07:20 AM
Ron De’Santis is going to expose Donald as a pedo sex trafficking John? Popcorn time!

Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 12:16 PM
Right around the 9:50 mark trump talks about how he abused his power as owner of the beauty pageant to perv on teenage and younger girls.

But it wasn't his fault. All the blame goes on the girls for being so pretty
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 12:29 PM
That’s an awfully big dot to connect. The video did provide more substance than I was expecting, and it is weird that Trump again went on the offensive toward him recently, but I can’t see DeSantis all of a sudden growing a spine and falling out of line. He already capitulated and endorsed Trump, and I imagine he would have released this info during his campaign if he had a smoking gun.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 12:30 PM
LA Times
Column: Trump has big plans for California if he wins a second term. Fasten your seatbelts
Doyle McManus
Mon, March 18, 2024 at 5:00 AM EDT·5 min read



"The place is failing," former President Trump said of California at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland last month. (Alex Brandon / Associated Press)
Donald Trump is running against California — again.

In his campaign to win a second term, the former president frequently excoriates the state as a terrifying dystopia — the inevitable product, he claims, of Democratic policies.

“The place is failing,” he told a conservative conference last month.

“It has become a symbol of our nation’s decline,” he told California Republicans last year.

“They don’t have water,” he said. “Rich people in Beverly Hills … [are] only allowed a small amount of water when they take a shower. That’s why rich people from Beverly Hills, generally speaking, don’t smell so good.”

He accused Gov. Gavin Newsom of telling undocumented migrants, “If you come up, we’re going to give you pension funds…. We’ll give you a mansion.” (Newsom has never promised migrants pension funds or mansions.)

Under its current policies, Trump charged, the state can “take children away from their parents and sterilize them.” (California does not seize children to sterilize them.)

“He’s destroyed California,” Trump said of the governor, whom he recently gave a new and strikingly unattractive nickname: “Gavin New-Scum.”

California-bashing has become a standard feature of GOP rhetoric, of course. A national survey for The Times this year found that almost half of Republicans believe the state is “not really American.”

What makes Trump’s version more than mere blather is that he could be president next year, and he has big plans for California if he wins.

He has promised to use an expansive view of presidential power to undo state laws and policies on many fronts, including areas such as law enforcement and education where states, not the federal government, have traditionally been in charge.

Some examples:

He says he’ll close the U.S.-Mexico border on his first day in office — the day he has set aside to act as “a dictator” — and launch “the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.”

His Santa Monica-born immigration advisor, Stephen Miller, says that if Democratic states such as California don’t cooperate, Trump could order National Guard units from red states such as Texas to cross their borders — a recipe for constitutional crisis.

Trump has promised to scrap President Biden’s programs to promote renewable energy, including subsidies for electric vehicles and charging stations. His advisors have proposed limiting California’s power to set fuel emission standards for automobiles.

He says he’ll stop the state from allowing Sacramento River water to flow into the Pacific to protect the Sacramento Delta. “We’re not going to let them get away with that any longer,” he said. (Water experts say it would be impractical and environmentally disastrous to divert the river's flow completely. Newsom has already suspended some environmental laws to send more water to reservoirs and is preparing to build a new water tunnel under the delta.)

Trump says he’ll send federal law enforcement officers into Oakland and other cities to stop rampant shoplifting. “If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store — shot!” he said.

And he says he will prosecute California healthcare providers if they comply with a state law that prohibits releasing information about minors' gender-related medical care to other states. (He called the law a “sick California scheme for violating federal laws against kidnapping [and] sex trafficking.”)

Those proposals suggest that a second Trump term, like the first, would produce major collisions between the White House and California's Democratic state government.

"If campaign promises have any meaning, you’re looking not just at a second term; you’re looking at Trump on steroids," said Larry Gerston, an emeritus professor of political science at San Jose State University. "The impact on California would be very real. Abruptly removing huge numbers of undocumented immigrants, for example, would disrupt all of our lives ... and be a big hit to the economy."

Many of those proposals are retreads from Trump’s first term as president from 2017 to 2021. Some, like his attempt to repeal California’s emissions standards, were blocked by courts after state lawsuits.

But Trump may stand a better chance of success the second time around.

His first term was launched with little preparation and no detailed transition plan. This time, he’s likely to appoint a more thoroughly Trumpified White House staff and Cabinet, with fewer moderates applying the brakes.

The Supreme Court, with three Trump appointees in its six-seat majority, is friendlier too.

And pro-Trump policy wonks have already produced a 920-page handbook of policy proposals for a second Trump term, “Project 2025.”

“This is a very big deal,” said Donald F. Kettl of the University of Texas, an expert on federal-state relations. “At the end of the first Trump term, there was frustration among his aides that they had finally figured out what they wanted to do, but ran out of time. They’ve spent four years planning, learning from their mistakes and compiling an action plan.”

Some of their ideas would still be difficult to carry out, Kettl noted.

“Sending troops out into the country to look for migrants waiting for their court dates would be very tough to implement,” he said.

But even the less bellicose actions Trump has proposed could have major effects on California and other Western states. I’ll explore them in more depth in future columns.




https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-trump-big-plans-california-090043162.html
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 12:35 PM
Making crap up that his drones will parrot, Abusing his powers as president, crating a marshall state sending in federal troops to impose his will on states' rights, invading our privay (HIPPA laws are ther for a reason), and creating environmental disasters in the process.

This isn't supposition, these are words straight from his mouth
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 02:07 PM
He has tried to play dictator before over regulations. When he has done so he has lost.....

The Trump administration has lost more than 90 percent of its court battles over deregulation

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/tru...rcent-of-deregulation-court-battles.html
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 02:15 PM
The difference this time is that he knows which are the key positions to make sure he has a minion installed. He has learned how to take out the roadblocks.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 02:50 PM
Attacking California. The state that feeds the world. rofl what a maroon?

We just moved to Cali this year. Got a VA loan. 5.2% an a home in the Central Valley with solar power. Electric bills are under $40 a mo, and water is cheaper here than Colorado. Also we are paying less property tax and sales taxes here than we did in Colorado. Bring it on trump’s trumpers, we’re ready for ya.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 02:50 PM
He did stack the SCOTUS but I think the question remains on whether they will still fall in line every time. But in order to win these things in court, the minions he would have to install are judges that will bend to his every desire.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 03:04 PM
Quote
He did stack the SCOTUS but I think the question remains on whether they will still fall in line every time.

They have so far. I see no reason to think they won’t continue to do so.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 03:19 PM
In some cases yes. But decisions have been made that do not favor conservatives. For me the litmus test will be their decision on presidential immunity.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 03:42 PM
It’s very telling to me by the fact they haven’t ruled on the immunity issue by now, which way they’re leaning. The question of immunity is absurd. Nobody is above the law. Nobody. This shouldn’t be a SC issue at all.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 03:49 PM
There certainly is presidential immunity. But that immunity is based on actions a president takes in "their official duties as president". I don't think things like trying to overthrow a presidential election is part of your presidential duties. I'm really not sure I have ever seen a SCOTUS let anyone know "which way they are leaning" until their opinion is published.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 03:52 PM
It’s ridiculously insane to even consider immunity for trump in regard to what he did on Jan 6th.
Posted By: Day of the Dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
It’s ridiculously insane to even consider immunity for trump in regard to what he did on Jan 6th.

Funny when your vice president bailed people out of jail for rioting and burning down property. Double standard!!!
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 04:59 PM
I think Harris is a dud, but how do you compare the two? What would she need immunity for?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
It’s ridiculously insane to even consider immunity for trump in regard to what he did on Jan 6th.

Funny when your vice president bailed people out of jail for rioting and burning down property. Double standard!!!

I had no idea posting bail was illegal? I thought it was an actual part of the legal process. So what charges should be brought against her for doing something 100% legal? Oh, and BTW, she's your vice president too.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I know Pence said he wouldn't endorse Trump. That isn't the same as saying he wouldn't vote for him. Pence has said he would never vote for President Biden.

I will admit there may not be much distinction between the two.

If you were Pence, would you vote for a guy that tried to have you hung? How about your family? I mean, being a republican today may mean that very thing. These days, you just can't trust any republican.

I'm not saying it, they all act like it and I've observed it. The king is Trump and you guys follow him everywhere. Ask yourself this, do you intend to be part of the Bloodbath if he losses the election?
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:26 PM
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Jester
The difference this time is that he knows which are the key positions to make sure he has a minion installed. He has learned how to take out the roadblocks.

He is rigging the system to be dictator.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:35 PM
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
It’s ridiculously insane to even consider immunity for trump in regard to what he did on Jan 6th.

Funny when your vice president bailed people out of jail for rioting and burning down property. Double standard!!!

Smfh. Duped.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

According to Agent Orange, there will be a bloodbath if he loses… between Automakers… wink wink. Trash punk ass Trump rhetoric that his dupes will take as orders. He’s fomenting civil unrest if he loses already. Dude’s a national security menace.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

According to Agent Orange, there will be a bloodbath if he loses… between Automakers… wink wink. Trash punk ass Trump rhetoric that his dupes will take as orders. He’s fomenting civil unrest if he loses already. Dude’s a national security menace.

Ah, so "bloodbath" is a dog whistle.

It seems weird that it only worked on libs though.

Well, not really.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:55 PM
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:57 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

According to Agent Orange, there will be a bloodbath if he loses… between Automakers… wink wink. Trash punk ass Trump rhetoric that his dupes will take as orders. He’s fomenting civil unrest if he loses already. Dude’s a national security menace.

Ah, so "bloodbath" is a dog whistle.

It seems weird that it only worked on libs though.

Well, not really.

Probably wasn’t covered in the propaganda reports…
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 10:59 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:02 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

According to Agent Orange, there will be a bloodbath if he loses… between Automakers… wink wink. Trash punk ass Trump rhetoric that his dupes will take as orders. He’s fomenting civil unrest if he loses already. Dude’s a national security menace.

Ah, so "bloodbath" is a dog whistle.

It seems weird that it only worked on libs though.

Well, not really.

Probably wasn’t covered in the propaganda reports…

Oh, it was covered in ALL the propaganda reports. Pretty sure it shut down Giggle for two days.

It had Crazy Joe Scarbro screaming and swearing at the TV at 6am.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:03 PM
Because he’s a patriot.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:04 PM
Hey, did you see that Sleepy got some new kicks though? So he can quit falling on his face when he get's crossed-over by Trumpty?


Sleepy gearing up to go hard in the paint. Hopefully that doesn't involve opening his mouth.

Stumbling Joe Biden forced to wear new shoes for 'maximum stability' after 'tripping so much'
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Because he’s a patriot.

You spelled parrot wrong.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.

We'll deprogram you first.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Because he’s a patriot.

You spelled parrot wrong.

Good catch, thanks.

Because he’s a fate/Eve.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.

We'll deprogram you first.

Can’t wait to see you try.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.

We'll deprogram you first.

Can’t wait to see you try.

You can see with your head up there?

Weird.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/18/24 11:12 PM
Above the ridiculous BS, yes. It’s very clear up here, don’t you remember?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Jester
The difference this time is that he knows which are the key positions to make sure he has a minion installed. He has learned how to take out the roadblocks.

He is rigging the system to be dictator.

While professing his ambition to actually be one, ver batim to boot.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 01:45 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.

We'll deprogram you first.

Can’t wait to see you try.

You can see with your head up there?

Weird.

Can see very well, he brought the light inside the body, a very powerful light
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:02 AM
Pro-Trump lawyer arrested on bench warrant in Washington, D.C.
Craig Mauger
Beth LeBlanc
Grant Schwab
The Detroit News

Stefanie Lambert, a Michigan lawyer who has championed dubious claims of election fraud, was arrested in Washington, D.C., Monday afternoon because of a bench warrant, according to a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service.

The arrest ended an 11-day saga of uncertainty that played out after Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Jeffery Matis issued a warrant because Lambert failed to appear for a hearing related to four felony charges she's facing in Michigan.

Lambert, who's gained prominence among supporters of former President Donald Trump, refused to turn herself in and attempted to challenge the warrant in court filings. On Wednesday, Matis called on the attorney from South Lyon "to comply with that warrant."


Meanwhile, Lambert has also been representing businessman Patrick Byrne, former chief executive officer of Overstock, in a defamation lawsuit brought by Dominion Voting Systems. There was a hearing in Byrne's case in federal court in Washington, D.C., at 3 p.m. Monday. Lambert attended the hearing despite the warrant.

After the hearing concluded, all lawyers and observers, except for Lambert, exited the meeting room and U.S. marshals entered.


One reporter asked the marshals later to comment on whether an arrest was made of Lambert, and they declined to answer the question. The hearing room's doors, at that point, were locked.

Later Monday evening, Mike Dito, a public information officer for the U.S. Marshals Service, confirmed Lambert had been arrested.

More:2,000 pages of 'confidential' Dominion emails dumped on social media


In August, Special Prosecutor D.J. Hilson revealed four felony charges against her, including undue possession of a voting machine. Lambert and others who were spreading theories of fraud about the 2020 election allegedly conspired to obtain and analyze five tabulators that were used in Michigan.

Lambert has resisted getting fingerprinted by authorities as her criminal case is ongoing. In a court filing on March 8, Lambert contended that Hilson wants to use her fingerprints to compare with evidence on the tabulators.


On March 7, Matis intended to hold a court hearing on why Lambert hadn't been fingerprinted despite orders that it happen. But Lambert didn't attend the hearing, leading to the bench warrant.

Dan Hartman, who's Lambert's lawyer, argued on Wednesday that there were "communication issues," involving Lambert and her former lawyer Michael J. Smith, causing her to not show up. Smith withdrew as Lambert's lawyer soon after the bench warrant was issued.

Judge mulls 'severe remedy'
Lambert represented Byrne in federal court in Washington on Monday afternoon for a hearing before Magistrate Judge Moxila Upadhyaya about why she turned over confidential records from Dominion in the case to Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf.

In recent days, a new social media account using the name and photo of Leaf has released more than 2,100 pages of emails from employees of Dominion as the elections equipment company maintained Leaf got improper access to internal messages through the breach of a court order.

An account on the website X with the handle @SheriffLeaf sent out links to the Dominion emails, which were marked "confidential." Leaf didn't immediately respond Monday to a request from The Detroit News, asking whether he was personally operating the account.

Upadhyaya questioned why Lambert provided the documents to Leaf rather than ask the court to unseal them first.

Lambert said she wanted "law enforcement" to investigate the documents.

"If I had a literally dead body," Lambert said, "I wouldn't bring it to the court first and ask the court what to do with it."

On Friday, attorneys for Dominion filed an emergency motion in federal court in Washington, D.C., arguing in favor of a judge disqualifying Lambert from providing legal help to Byrne in the defamation case, contending she had improperly shared with Leaf confidential records, provided under a protective order through document discovery in its lawsuit against Byrne.


The company said its employees face death threats.

"From social media calls to lynch Dominion personnel to a man armed with a rifle who came to their offices, Dominion’s employees have directly suffered the consequences of the lies spread by Byrne and his fellow defendants," Dominion's lawyers wrote. "They now fear further threats due to conduct of his counsel done at his direction."

Upadhyaya didn't rule on whether Lambert should be disqualified on Monday, calling that a "severe remedy" that would take more time to consider. She did, however, rule that Lambert and Byrne's access to the document repository must remain cut off until further notice.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

He actually said "there's going to be a bloodbath across the country" if he loses. Not a bloodbath in the auto industry. Not a bloodbath in autoworker jobs.

Words have meaning. The lack of words also has meaning. Trying to make excuses for it also has meaning.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
We'll deprogram you first.

So after programming so many with your propaganda, now you're going to get into the deprogramming business?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Jester
The difference this time is that he knows which are the key positions to make sure he has a minion installed. He has learned how to take out the roadblocks.

He is rigging the system to be dictator.

While professing his ambition to actually be one, ver batim to boot.

They don't care because that's what they want.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:04 PM
The birds of a feather theory playing out in real life.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
There's going to be a bloodbath if he loses?

He actually said "there's going to be a bloodbath across the country" if he loses. Not a bloodbath in the auto industry. Not a bloodbath in autoworker jobs.

Words have meaning. The lack of words also has meaning. Trying to make excuses for it also has meaning.

Bloodbaths, bloodbaths, everywhere... think I'll go hide under a bed.





Pansies.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:14 PM
And of course trump's buddy Putin is has been defending him. Naturally he is using the same propaganda the GOP does....

VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin asserted Tuesday that the criminal cases against former U.S. President Donald Trump are political revenge that show the fundamental corruption of the United States.

“As for the prosecution of Trump, for us what is happening in today’s conditions, in my opinion, is good because it shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others democracy,” Putin said at an Eastern Economic Forum gathering in Russia’s Pacific Coast city of Vladivostok.

“Everything that is happening with Trump is the persecution of a political rival for political reasons. That’s what it is. And this is being done in front of the public of the United States and the whole world,” he said.


Opinion polls indicate that Trump is by far the strongest contender to become the Republican Party’s candidate in the 2024 presidential election. During his four years in the White House, Trump repeatedly touted having good relations with Putin, while critics alleged he was submissive to the Russian leader.

Trump has claimed he could resolve the conflict in Ukraine in a matter of days, if he regains the presidency. He has not provided details of his potential approach.

“We hear that Mr. Trump says that he will solve pressing problems in a few days, including the Ukrainian crisis. Well, this cannot but bring happiness. This is good,” Putin said.

However, the Russian leader said his country’s poor relations with the United States were unlikely to change significantly regardless of who becomes president.

“What to expect from the future, no matter who the president is, it’s hard for us to say, but it’s unlikely that anything will change radically,” Putin said. He claimed the Biden administration has instilled a strong bias against Russia and ”it will be very difficult for them to somehow turn this whole ship” in the other direction.

Russia also is due to have a presidential election in 2024. Putin hedged Tuesday when asked if he would seek another term after being in power, as president or prime minister, since 2000.

“We will talk about it” after the Russian parliament sets an election date, he said.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-dc89488c40360150afeeb25941bd44fc

This was in September of 2023. I wonder how long it will be before Putin joins trump on the campaign trail?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:16 PM
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not the liberal the MAGA crowd has you convinced we all are. I'm not hiding from anybody.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:18 PM
Sweet. You'll be marked safe when Trump takes over as dictator and imperial chancellor.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:26 PM
A man openly states he wants to be "dictator for a day" and you make fun of the people who take him seriously? That's a you issue and not an us issue. I think you listened to Ozzy singing Crazy Train one too many times.

Let me give you an example of how hard he has pushed the bounds when it comes to the power of the presidency. Over 90% of his deregulation presidential orders were overturned in the courts or reversed because they were going to court and they knew they would lose.

But you're not here for an actual discussion anyway.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
A man openly states he wants to be "dictator for a day" and you make fun of the people who take him seriously? That's a you issue and not an us issue. I think you listened to Ozzy singing Crazy Train one too many times.

Let me give you an example of how hard he has pushed the bounds when it comes to the power of the presidency. Over 90% of his deregulation presidential orders were overturned in the courts or reversed because they were going to court and they knew they would lose.

But you're not here for an actual discussion anyway.

I'm not here for actual discussion?

Every fact, most that you're fully aware of, have to be explained to y'all like you're 4... then you argue them or move the goalposts.

Why did he say "dictator for one day"? Or do you want to play martyr with your tail between your legs and cry "words have meaning"... after they've been stripped of all meaning and context by the 'victim'.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 02:54 PM
To avoid the courts overturning his decisions. That's why most people want to be a dictator. I've never played the martyr. That's a figment of your imagination. It is however my goal to help stop trump from being president again. He has shown who he is, he has tried to overthrow the 2020 election. He has done everything in his power to sew social unrest in my country. I find him to be a danger to democracy as we have known it.

And for the most part none of it is about me. My time on this earth is shorter than most. My wife and I are too old to have children and actually none of our children have ever chosen to have an abortion. So the abortion issue isn't about me. We have a nice home and plenty to eat with no danger of running out or going hungry. So poverty isn't about me. Most political topics in general will have very little impact on my life or the way I live my life.

But what I find disturbing is people defending a man who has turned on everyone who has stood up to him. Anyone and everyone who has disagreed with him. Using put downs and name calling like an eight year old. Even his former friends and people he chose to work for him. He has called immigrants animals and said they are not human. Former high appointed officials who have worked side by side with him have warned the public just how dangerous he is. Life time republicans like Liz Cheney who is FAR more conservative than trump could ever dream of being have given up their careers for doing the right thing.

What we have and are witnessing before our very eyes is undeniable. It's not a question of understanding what he means or what he meant. Is there actually any reason or excuse for wanting to be dictator for a day? That goes against every principal of democracy no matter your reasoning for it.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 03:13 PM
Not gonna lie, i thought it was really clear he used the term in relations to the auto industry and china. i dont agree with his take, but the term itself is a nothing burger.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 03:17 PM
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 03:27 PM
I thought the polls were rigged?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 03:46 PM
The odd part of that is you actually believe the reasons he gave since it has been proven he is a habitual liar. The U.S. is producing more oil now than at any time when trump was president. We are currently producing more oil than any nation has ever. Something he purposefully tries to act like isn't happening. I'm sorry you still believe the president has or even should have the power of a king.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
I thought the polls were rigged?

Only when they show trump is losing. Haven't you been paying attention?
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The odd part of that is you actually believe the reasons he gave since it has been proven he is a habitual liar. The U.S. is producing more oil now than at any time when trump was president. We are currently producing more oil than any nation has ever. Something he purposefully tries to act like isn't happening. I'm sorry you still believe the president has or even should have the power of a king.

I'm sorry you have to move the goalposts on every subject in the history of DT and have never owned up or answered to anyone making a point or presenting facts.

Your circle jerk will be along soon. Have a jolly 'ole day of agreeing on everything, no matter how absurd.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
I thought the polls were rigged?

I said polls are rigged? Or just a one-liner to detract from the point being made. Either way, I suspect you don't really want an answer.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The odd part of that is you actually believe the reasons he gave since it has been proven he is a habitual liar. The U.S. is producing more oil now than at any time when trump was president. We are currently producing more oil than any nation has ever. Something he purposefully tries to act like isn't happening. I'm sorry you still believe the president has or even should have the power of a king.

I'm sorry you have to move the goalposts on every subject in the history of DT and have never owned up or answered to anyone making a point or presenting facts.

Your circle jerk will be along soon. Have a jolly 'ole day of agreeing on everything, no matter how absurd.

Absurdity is believing a habitual liar and then blaming someone else for pointing that out. Absurdity is thinking that any reason is an excuse for an American president to claim he wants to be a dictator if even for only a day. Did a Russian bot take over your Dawg Talk account?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Swish
I thought the polls were rigged?

I said polls are rigged? Or just a one-liner to detract from the point being made. Either way, I suspect you don't really want an answer.

Just a legitimate one.... for a change.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:17 PM
Ex-Trump aide Peter Navarro reports to prison

Navarro is the second former Trump aide to be charged with contempt of Congress. Steve Bannon was also convicted but remains free pending an appeal.

Former Trump White House senior official Peter Navarro reported to a federal prison in Miami Tuesday after being sentenced to four months behind bars for contempt of Congress.

Navarro was convicted in September 2023 of defying a Congressional subpoena for documents related to the House investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, riots at the U.S. Capitol, and for refusing to appear for a deposition. His effort to appeal the case and avoid prison time was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Prosecutors accused Navarro of acting "above the law" by refusing to comply with the House investigation. Meanwhile, an attorney for Navarro argued that he wasn't deliberately refusing to cooperate, but had asked lawmakers to ask Trump what materials may be protected under executive privilege, something investigators did not do.

Navarro is the second former Trump aide to be charged with contempt of Congress. Steve Bannon has also been convicted on the same charges and sentenced to four months in prison, but has remained free pending an appeal.

Navarro has continued to be a staunch supporter of Trump, backing his reelection efforts. The former senior trade adviser even wrote a book about how Trump can return to power.

https://www.kristv.com/ex-trump-aide-peter-navarro-reports-to-prison
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

what does this even mean?
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

what does this even mean?

It means that underneath all that Chicken Little paranoia of a Trump dictatorship is a Billy Badass armed to the teeth yelling "come get some". Sound familiar?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 05:03 PM
It means I am no different from you and that this BS liberal snowflake image you help perpetuate is just that. BS.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

what does this even mean?

It means that I too have an will exercise my second amendment rights and and protect my country against all threats foreign and domestic. Not because I'm a bad ass but because it's my Patriotic duty. And that unlike this faux image of everyone that disagrees with trumpians being snowflakes is just some BS some of you have bought into like the sheeple you have become.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

I think it's funny to watch some of y'all become the "mouth breathers" you made fun of for years.

Now standing on your front porch... "Come get some!" rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 05:25 PM
I've never said anything otherwise. Everyone has the right to bear arms. So is it now something bad to exercise my rights? Or is it publicly saying that I will exercise my rights that has your panties in a bunch? You must have me confused with someone else. I've never been opposed to people defending our nation against threats to our democracy foreign or domestic. Nowhere did I imply "come and get some". Of course I'm not surprised you don't comprehend the difference between that and not hiding.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 05:58 PM
Moms for Liberty Co-Founder Sues to Keep Police Docs in Rape Probe Secret

The “parental rights” activist’s hubby, Christian Ziegler, was accused of raping their threesome partner. Now the couple filed a lawsuit to destroy texts obtained by police.

Moms for Liberty co-founder Bridget Ziegler and her husband are suing Sarasota police and prosecutors to stop the release of records related to his rape probe.

Last October, cops began investigating Ziegler’s husband, Christian, after the MAGA power couple’s threesome partner accused him of sexual assault. After local news outlet the Florida Trident published the claims, Christian Ziegler lost his job as Florida’s Republican Party chairman and Bridget Ziegler was let go from the conservative leadership institute.

Authorities ultimately decided against charging Christian Ziegler with rape and video voyeurism, but the sex scandal underscored the hypocrisy of the Zieglers’ family values persona—one critics have called anti-LGBTQ—while engaging in bisexual activity.

According to the couple’s lawsuit filed Friday, the release of records from the Sarasota Police Department (SPD) and State Attorney’s Office (SAO) would “cause great humiliation and harm to their individual reputations.” The Zieglers are asking Sarasota County court to bar the release of records and “order the permanent destruction” of any text messages.

The complaint, first reported by the Trident, says cops executed search warrants on Christian Ziegler’s cellphone that didn’t limit investigators to a specific time period or to communications with his accuser. Instead, it included all text messages, call logs, images and video, web browser history, and emails.

One warrant gave police “unfettered access to the entire contents of Christian Ziegler’s cell phone,” the complaint states. “To say that someone’s entire life is contained on one’s cell phone is an understatement.”

Both SPD and SAO have received public records requests “seeking the entirety” of what was uncovered in the warrants, the filing says. “The Zieglers are concerned that other individuals and media outlets will most likely make, or have already made, similar public records requests with either SPD or the SAO now that the investigation has concluded.”

The complaint warns that cops and prosecutors could release “the entirety of Christian Ziegler’s web browsing history,” full-text conversations with his wife, “the video of Christian Ziegler and his accuser engaging in sexual intercourse,” and all other data and media that police obtained from his phone. (Christian Ziegler provided police with a video of himself and the victim as part of the investigation, arguing their encounter was consensual.)

“The Zieglers seek to preclude the release and publication of any of the above-mentioned materials before SPD or the SAO release them pursuant to any active public records request,” the suit continues, adding that releasing the materials would be a violation of the couple’s rights to privacy guaranteed by the Florida constitution.

As The Daily Beast reported, Christian Ziegler was accused of raping a longtime friend who’d previously had a threesome with him and his wife.

The woman told police that she made plans for a ménage à trois with the couple on Oct. 2 but canceled when she learned Bridget Ziegler couldn’t make it. She claimed Christian Ziegler showed up at her apartment anyway and assaulted her while she was too intoxicated to consent.

She told detectives “that Ziegler assaulted her in her house, but no one will believe her because of who he is.” One officer noted in a report that the woman “seemed very fearful of Ziegler by the way she was talking.”

Police records released this year revealed some of the Zieglers’ text messages wherein they discussed the victim and potentially hunted for other sex partners—along with a file found on Christian Ziegler’s phone labeled “THE LIST” that included a roster of women’s names. (The accuser was found under a subhead titled “[censored].”)

In February 2021, Christian Ziegler texted his wife that his accuser “was an alcoholic, nice person with some issues.” Bridget Ziegler replied that the woman seemed to be “going through some [censored]” and “that she prefers confident empowered people,” according to the documents.

“I just don’t want to feel like we ever take advantage of anyone (I know it’s always been consensual) but she seems... ‘broken’ or like she’s going through some (expletive),” Bridget Ziegler later added. “I don’t know—that’s the vibe I pick up from her—and my nature is more likely to help her versus… ya know.”

Christian Ziegler then suggested they “needed to hunt for someone new.”

Since the scandal broke, Bridget Ziegler has resisted residents’ repeated calls for her resignation from the Sarasota County School Board.

She pushed back on critics during a board meeting earlier this month, claiming they’d mischaracterized her policies, including the state’s “Don’t Say Gay” law. She blamed LGBTQ rights group Equality Florida for causing “unnecessary fear.”

“There is a lot of intentional fearmongering,” Bridget Ziegler told the crowd, adding, “but if you want to talk about fear, it is because there is [sic] a lot of headlines out there that are filled with false narratives.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bridg...kY9dq_8sRZm8mlIdYeCFT_YsTDaDxF2n7pPDT-sE
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:00 PM
The precedent has been set … Rapists on the SCOTUS. Rapists in the WH. Rapists on the school board. Rapists need protected. Women have no reproductive rights. So the Rapist gets protected and the victims live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. Pffft GOPer SCOTUS. notallthere
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

I think it's funny to watch some of y'all become the "mouth breathers" you made fun of for years.

Now standing on your front porch... "Come get some!" rofl

Lol BS dude. You come at me or my family at my house and you’re eating buckshot bro. Has been that way all my life. Get off the partisan catch phrase that liberals aren’t packing. We just don’t bragg on our guns or like the gun porn you GOPers do.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm locked and loaded. Always have been. I'm not hiding from anybody.

I think it's funny to watch some of y'all become the "mouth breathers" you made fun of for years.

Now standing on your front porch... "Come get some!" rofl

Lol BS dude. You come at me or my family at my house and you’re eating buckshot bro. Has been that way all my life. Get off the partisan catch phrase that liberals aren’t packing. We just don’t bragg on our guns or like the gun porn you GOPers do.

You should just talk to your cat. 90% of your posts aren't even worthy of an adult message board. Pit brought up guns to play tough guy. To use your words, he basically "bragged on his guns" and inferred that he may need them, and won't hesitate, once Trump's Bloodbath arrives.

As if that's not enough fantasy-land cartoon ish, now you say i'm on a "partisan catch phrase that liberals aren’t packing", when I've never said a word about that.

Strike two.

You suck at this. You don't even deserve a third pitch. Sit down before you fall down.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:45 PM
rofl

Speaking of not being worthy of an adult message board. Now saying I will exercise my second amendment rights doesn't make me a tough guy. Saying I will defend my right as a Patriot to defend my country does not make me a tough guy. Only in an idiotic world could someone twist it into that. I must be being "too America" for you.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
You suck at this. You don't even deserve a third pitch. Sit down before you fall down.

Says the man who has fallen and he can't get up. You have turned into Eve.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Swish
I thought the polls were rigged?

I said polls are rigged? Or just a one-liner to detract from the point being made. Either way, I suspect you don't really want an answer.

Nah, I want a real answer.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
You suck at this. You don't even deserve a third pitch. Sit down before you fall down.

Says the man who has fallen and he can't get up. You have turned into Eve.

Ouch.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 09:05 PM
It's not the fall that hurts. It's the landing.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 09:24 PM
Yep folks.

Were at that part of the day where Pit@Dawgtalkers just starts reading [censored] from fortune cookies.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/19/24 09:27 PM
In your case sometimes it's unfortunate cookies. And as it pertains to you we are at the $#!+ throwing stage of the day. In hopes you'll get lucky and something will stick.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.

Again, look at the people running for Senate in Ohio. They were literally fighting in ads over who has MORE of Trump's endorsement than the other. No platform in the ads other than that and maybe a slight reference to the border. That, to me, is TDS.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.

Again, look at the people running for Senate in Ohio. They were literally fighting in ads over who has MORE of Trump's endorsement than the other. No platform in the ads other than that and maybe a slight reference to the border. That, to me, is TDS.

I'm not really sure what that has to do with the Trump dictator hoax. I guess you're just saying we have different definitions of TDS?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 12:35 PM
Yeah, sorry, I probably should have led with that. Yesterday was a crazy day for me and my brain was shot. I think I just keep seeing TDS everywhere, and I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying, given what I said earlier about networks like MSNBC, but I think it works in both directions. To me, the more damaging version is the one that has this odd cult-like factor to it as exemplified via the ads we saw. I really hold true to my core that people don't take this type of stuff seriously enough. It strikes me as one of those things where time away from his administration has somehow dulled some universal impressions of how bad he was.

I can belabor that point way further, but to get to what you actually talked about, here is the quote I remember and just found again, which largely matches what you had, but with reference to Hannity asking the question:

“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”

Maybe if that had been an isolated phrase, it would not be concerning, but again, when you combine that with the larger picture, you have guys like John Kelly, Trump's former chief of staff, who quoted Trump as saying "Well, but Hitler did some good things."

The guy also has formed close relationships with people like Viktor Orban and had 27 "love letters" between him and Kim Jong Un.

The guy also ran rough shod over his own cabinet. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many of his former cabinet members who would speak highly of his ability to collaborate and resist his worst impulses.

There's a lot more to reference, but that quote of his, in the greater context of a lot of other smoke, is not as benign as taking it in isolation might make it seem, to me at least.

If he wins again, I highly doubt he would formulate a cabinet that would keep him in check, much as what happened last time. That's another frightful premise in addition to his quotes, including the one above.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.


Fate, let me get your predictions on things dictators/wannabe dictators would do:


1, If trump loses 2024 to Biden, do you think he will or won't try to orchestrate another January 6th like incident?


2, If he does win, do you think he will or won't try to change the law to get rid of the 8 year presidential term limit? Or he will claim that because his 8 years in office were not consecutive that he deserves another 4 yers?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 01:53 PM
“Dictator hoax”. Lol…You know he wants to move like Putin. No hoax about it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Jester
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.


Fate, let me get your predictions on things dictators/wannabe dictators would do:


1, If trump loses 2024 to Biden, do you think he will or won't try to orchestrate another January 6th like incident?


2, If he does win, do you think he will or won't try to change the law to get rid of the 8 year presidential term limit? Or he will claim that because his 8 years in office were not consecutive that he deserves another 4 yers?

1. He won't. And he didn't "orchestrate" the previous one.

2. No, and no.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Jester
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.


Fate, let me get your predictions on things dictators/wannabe dictators would do:


1, If trump loses 2024 to Biden, do you think he will or won't try to orchestrate another January 6th like incident?


2, If he does win, do you think he will or won't try to change the law to get rid of the 8 year presidential term limit? Or he will claim that because his 8 years in office were not consecutive that he deserves another 4 yers?

1. He won't. And he didn't "orchestrate" the previous one.

2. No, and no.

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Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 02:53 PM
That's cute. I didn't realize you two only had one child? BTW, you look like you might wet yourself again.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 03:31 PM
Yeah, when the man says in his own words he wants to be dictator for a day it's everyone who points out what he said that's a hoax. This is why we can't have anything nice anymore.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 03:42 PM
Actually, it's more like this: if you can't comprehend the context and message from the "dictator" message, you should probably be seated by a window watching for birds and wondering what time Bingo starts.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 04:08 PM
How many times are you going to make excuses for all of the things this idiot says? And what difference does it make what he wants to do without going through the proper process to do it? I know what he said. But no president has the right to arbitrarily make such changes without going through the proper channels whether you agree with him or not. Are you trying to say it's alright to act in a dictatorial style on the things you agree with?

I know you don't actually wish to engage in a discussion because that usually doesn't work out well for you.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Jester
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.


Fate, let me get your predictions on things dictators/wannabe dictators would do:


1, If trump loses 2024 to Biden, do you think he will or won't try to orchestrate another January 6th like incident?


2, If he does win, do you think he will or won't try to change the law to get rid of the 8 year presidential term limit? Or he will claim that because his 8 years in office were not consecutive that he deserves another 4 yers?

1. He won't. And he didn't "orchestrate" the previous one.

2. No, and no.



1, I never said trump orchestrated jan 6. He clearly incited it. What isn't clear is whether he incited it on purpose or by accident. I also don't believe he orchestrated it. Frankly, I don't think he is bright enough. I do believe some of his minions placed the powder keg in front of his flame.

2, I think you are being naive. But now ask, how are you going to react if he does? If he talks about it are you going to say he is just joking? If he actually tries to act on it, will you continue to defend him and support him?

3, If he does neither, including not joking about it because I believe when he jokes that often he is stating his true intent, then I will meet you at the sports bar of your choice to watch a Browns game together. My treat.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by Jester
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Jester
Originally Posted by FATE
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You ignored the question again. I'll help you out with the context, it's really not that hard if you pull your head out of the sand...


“You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’.

Trump replied, “No, no, no. Other than Day One’ We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.”



But you want to use one word, even after he clearly gives you all the evidence you need that he's simply using it as a figure of speech, as evidence of the opposite.

That is mad whack.

AND it is the #1 reason why he's leading in the polls. All of you with TDS are giving your very best effort to get him elected. You somehow fail to see the reality of endorsing hoax after hoax after hoax. It would be comical if it weren't so sad.


Fate, let me get your predictions on things dictators/wannabe dictators would do:


1, If trump loses 2024 to Biden, do you think he will or won't try to orchestrate another January 6th like incident?


2, If he does win, do you think he will or won't try to change the law to get rid of the 8 year presidential term limit? Or he will claim that because his 8 years in office were not consecutive that he deserves another 4 yers?

1. He won't. And he didn't "orchestrate" the previous one.

2. No, and no.



1, I never said trump orchestrated jan 6. He clearly incited it. What isn't clear is whether he incited it on purpose or by accident. I also don't believe he orchestrated it. Frankly, I don't think he is bright enough. I do believe some of his minions placed the powder keg in front of his flame.

2, I think you are being naive. But now ask, how are you going to react if he does? If he talks about it are you going to say he is just joking? If he actually tries to act on it, will you continue to defend him and support him?

3, If he does neither, including not joking about it because I believe when he jokes that often he is stating his true intent, then I will meet you at the sports bar of your choice to watch a Browns game together. My treat.

Uh, that's clearly what you said ^.

If he even hinted at something like that, after what happened, I would be the first to condemn his words. Problem is, we're living in a world where the simple word "bloodbath" gets so far removed from it's context that it's absolutely infantile. And our own White House condones the infantile actions of our media. Then, if anybody says anything to clarify the most mindless of unneeded clarifications -- they're "supporting Trump" This would be understandable if we were all in third grade but we're not.

So, inevitably Trump would make a joke like "I'm the greatest president ever, we should change the term limits!" He would frame it as a joke, all would laugh, but you would scream "I win".

So let's just cut to the chase -- we meet for a beer now -- my treat. wink
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 05:09 PM
Not for nothing, but didn't he already have a commercial/promotion/some type of televised thing where he had posters of Trump 2020 (at the time), Trump 2024, Trump 2028, etc.? Am I remembering that right, or did I dream that?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 05:29 PM
Yeah, he is a natural born comedian........



Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 05:55 PM
I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Actually, it's more like this: if you can't comprehend the context and message from the "dictator" message, you should probably be seated by a window watching for birds and wondering what time Bingo starts.

That's where you belong if you believe Trump won't be a dictator full time every day
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 07:36 PM
I said orchestrate another jan 6
I did not say orchestrate again
I didn't mean to imply what you inferred
You give trump the benefit of the doubt but not me?

trump does 2 things better than anyone in the history of mankind.

1 - he says things he truly believes in a way that you cannot tell if he is serious or what he is actually referring to.
I have no doubt that he believes that he is the best president ever

2 - he projects. He says the bad things about himself and attributes it to others

Next time I am going to be in the cleveland area, I will PM you
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 08:53 PM
Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards are hysterically scared of Trump. Shaking in their shoes. Their dreams are haunted with bloodbaths. They all need to be deprogrammed from the TDS.


I’m not scared of a damn thing. Especially Trump. His well earned disgrace is coming, and I can’t wait. I’m sorry you see that attitude as anything other than patriotic considering the coup and all. But why would I expect YOU to get it. And regardless of the polls, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning. There are too many real Americans left to stop him.

We'll deprogram you first.

Can’t wait to see you try.

You can see with your head up there?

Weird.

Can see very well, he brought the light inside the body, a very powerful light

Lol, yes, I’m as ignorant as Trump and shoved… smfh. Fs, what passes as convo comedy in here is eerily similar to 4chan trolling. My best guess same people or a shared hive mind controlled by and stinking orange blob. Either way, funny as a funeral.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 08:54 PM
rofl
Not trying to not give you the benefit of doubt. I actually thought you didn't realize you used the word. Now I see what your saying from a different point of view. Sorry, didn't mean to initiate a bloodbath of doubt. laugh

Can't argue with either of those statements, although the "history of mankind" is a bit over the top.

And yes, please do, hopefully I'm home. It seems this living in two places is going to stretch out a little further than we intended. On that token, do the same if you're ever in the Fort Wayne area.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
A man openly states he wants to be "dictator for a day" and you make fun of the people who take him seriously? That's a you issue and not an us issue. I think you listened to Ozzy singing Crazy Train one too many times.

Let me give you an example of how hard he has pushed the bounds when it comes to the power of the presidency. Over 90% of his deregulation presidential orders were overturned in the courts or reversed because they were going to court and they knew they would lose.

But you're not here for an actual discussion anyway.

I'm not here for actual discussion?

Every fact, most that you're fully aware of, have to be explained to y'all like you're 4... then you argue them or move the goalposts.

Why did he say "dictator for one day"? Or do you want to play martyr with your tail between your legs and cry "words have meaning"... after they've been stripped of all meaning and context by the 'victim'.

Does it really matter what the hell he meant, the SOB said he wanted to be dictator for a day. He only wants people in government that are loyal to him and not the constitution or the people. If you are too dense or stubborn to get that it’s a real threat, oh well. There are plenty of us to stop him. He will never be in power again, bank that. I fully expect his world to implode before November. And I want front row tickets to that show.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 09:06 PM
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Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 09:10 PM
Yep, and he’s orange and leading millions of cult dolts. But real Americans have something for his punk ass… he’s out fomenting civil war again, political violence, and the same people who said he would never be nominee want to push back on how lousy he was in office and how big of a POS he is.

Never thought America would come down to this, fighting fot democracy in our own political system to prevent a horrible person from having another chance to bring the country to it’s knees. His daddy should have done us all a favor and bashed his head in as an infant and tossed him off the cliff 300 style.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/20/24 09:18 PM
The resume of Trump—bankrupt six times over, accused of sexual harassment and sexual assault a couple dozen times, barred from running a charity due to fraud, you’d think to yourself: “That’s a guy I want running my country.”

Tip of the trump iceberg.

The list of his actions of incompetence are as long as the toilet paper he needs.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/21/24 01:56 PM
He uses classified documents for that s.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/21/24 03:05 PM
Well it's only for a day and it's for reasons he approves of so that makes it perfectly fine. notallthere
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/21/24 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
GOP nominee to run North Carolina public schools called for violence against Democrats, including executing Obama and Biden

The Republican nominee for superintendent overseeing North Carolina’s public schools and its $11 billion budget has a history marked by extreme and controversial comments, including sharing baseless conspiracy theories and frequent calls for the execution of prominent Democrats.

Michele Morrow, a conservative activist who last week upset the incumbent Superintendent of Public Instruction in North Carolina’s Republican primary, expressed support in 2020 for the televised execution of former President Barack Obama and suggested killing then-President-elect Joe Biden.

In other comments on social media between 2019 and 2021 reviewed by CNN’s KFile, Morrow made disturbing suggestions about executing prominent Democrats for treason, including Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar, North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, Sen. Chuck Schumer and other prominent people such as Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates.

“I prefer a Pay Per View of him in front of the firing squad,” she wrote in a tweet from May 2020, responding to a user sharing a conspiracy theory who suggested sending Obama to prison at Guantanamo Bay. “I do not want to waste another dime on supporting his life. We could make some money back from televising his death.”

In another post in May 2020, she responded to a fake Time Magazine cover that featured art of Obama in an electric chair asking if he should be executed.

“Death to ALL traitors!!” Morrow responded.

In yet another comment, Morrow suggested in December 2020 killing Biden, who at that time was president-elect, and has said he would ask Americans to wear a mask for 100 days.

“Never. We need to follow the Constitution’s advice and KILL all TRAITORS!!! #JusticeforAmerica,” she wrote.

CNN reached out to Morrow and her campaign multiple times but did not receive a response.

From activist to candidate

Last Tuesday, Morrow defeated Catherine Truitt, the incumbent North Carolina Superintendent of Public Instruction, in the Republican primary. Morrow, a registered nurse and grassroots activist who homeschooled her children, ran on a platform of supporting parental rights and opposing critical race theory.

As superintendent, Morrow would oversee the state’s public school system and help set educational priorities, manage the school system’s budgets, and work with the state’s Board of Education to set and implement curriculum standards. Her website lists endorsements by “conservative school boards” but remains light on changes she’d make if elected.

Morrow has in the past called public schools “socialism centers” and “indoctrination centers.”

In a campaign speech in February, Morrow advocated for a constitutional amendment to abolish the state Board of Education, which sets policies and procedures for public schools in the state. Doing away with the board would put direct control over the state’s education agenda under the superintendent and the state legislature, which is currently controlled by Republicans.

“I’d like to see a constitutional amendment to get rid of the state Board of Education,”she said. “If the superintendent is elected and works under the legislature - knowing that they’re accountable to the legislature to oversee the DPI and to oversee and have impact into the superintendents in the 115 districts, I think we would be so much better off because you don’t have all these extra people right in mix.”

Morrow has espoused a wide range of extreme views on social media in recent years. Many of her past extreme comments were made on her now-dormant personal Twitter account — which is separate from her campaign account.

Morrow also promoted QAnon slogans and tweeted that the actor Jim Carrey was “… likely searching for adrenochrome” – a reference to a conspiracy theory shared by QAnon believers that celebrities harvest and drink the blood of children to prolong their own lives. Media Matters, a left-leaning publication, was first to report the QAnon tweets.

All together, Morrow tweeted “WWG1WGA” – the slogan that stands for “where we go one, we go all” and is commonly associated with the QAnon conspiracy – more than seven times in 2020.

Central to QAnon lore is the notion of the “Storm,” a belief there will be a day when thousands will purportedly be arrested, subjected to military tribunals, and face mass executions for their alleged crimes, with Donald Trump leading efforts to dismantle them alongside other QAnon “patriots.”

Violent fantasies about executing Democrats

Morrow’s post about publicly executing Obama was just one of numerous she has made espousing carrying out violent fantasies against Democrats.

On Twitter, the platform now known as X, and on the now-defunct conservative Twitter alternative, Parler, Morrow used the hashtag “#DeathtoTraitors” a combined 12 times – usually in relation to prominent Democrats.

“Obama did it. Hillary did it. Schiff did it. Comey did it. Yates did it. Holder did it. Clapper did it. Gates did it. Fauci did it. Time for #WeThePeople to DO IT and #DrainTheSwamp!!!!! #NoJusticeNoCountry #DeathToTraitors #ProsecuteThemNow #TakeBackAmerica .@dbongino #KAG,” she wrote in one tweet from May 2020,

In another post from July 2019, Morrow targeted Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar and other Democrats, suggesting their impending death for unspecified “treason.”

“@IlhanMN and her other law-hating Dems must be getting a little nervous. Are they just realizing the punishment for treason is death?!?” Morrow wrote.

In a post on Parler, Morrow used the hashtag #deathtotraitors in discussing the Democratic governors of North Carolina and New York, Cooper and Cuomo. Morrow publicized her Parler handle in a tweet and CNN found the deleted Parler posts on the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

“Our Communist sympathizer, Comrade Cooper, has the same plans for NC!Expose them NOW!Can we we see the CCP list, @SecPompeo??? #PrisonTimeforFederalCrimes #DeathToTraitors #FreeOurCitizens,” Morrow wrote in 2020, discussing restrictions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

In other posts on Parler, Morrow shared posts from other users and a QAnon account about locking up Democrats at Guantanamo Bay and prisons.

Morrow’s ire also went beyond Democrats, including one post in December 2020 calling for putting Republican Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia in prison after he certified Georgia’s results for Joe Biden in that year’s presidential election.

Shared conspiracies and made anti-Muslim comments

In other comments, Morrow repeatedly shared the false claim that Obama was Muslim, called Islam evil, and expressed belief in a conspiracy theory that tens of thousands of Chinese troops were stationed in Canada to invade the United States to help Joe Biden become president.

“Tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers are already in Canada and probably Mexico waiting for orders to invade,” she wrote on January 8, 2021.

In another post from September 2019, Morrow said that Barack Obama (referred to as B.O.) was a puppet for the “Deep State” and the “Muslim movement” and suggested he pay the highest penalty for his alleged crimes.

“B.O. was a puppet for the Deep State and the Muslim movement to destroy our Constitutional Republic. We cannot give up until ALL the guilty pay the highest penalty for their crimes. We will lose our country #SAVEOURNATION #JusticeForAll #TraitorsMustPay

“The DEEP STATE globalists and Muslim extremists, intent on destroying America, placed Omar and MANY others into our govt. #WakeUpAmerica #IslamIsEvil #ToleranceIsDeadly,” she wrote in January 2020.

In one post, Morrow said Muslims should be banned from elected office in the United States and said Rep. Omar, who came to the United States as a refugee, should, “head back to Somalia.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/poli...le-morrow-executing-democrats/index.html

And here's what happened when she was confronted about those comments......



This is what it looks like when the inmates are running the asylum.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/22/24 07:17 PM
Top GOP lawmaker announces early exit, leaving Republicans with temporary one-seat majority

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/to...-republicans-temporary-one-seat-majority

At this point imma run as a Republican with a campaign promise of not bailing out of congress in the middle of my term lmao
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/22/24 11:33 PM
I heard that because of the timing, the position he is vacating will not be filled until the november election
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/23/24 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Jester
I heard that because of the timing, the position he is vacating will not be filled until the november election

Sound about right. Especially with the right reacting like this:

Mike Gallagher is yet another selfish, arrogant Satanist Democrat disguised as a Republican. Patriots, we have so many Mike Gallaghers, Ken Bucks, Mitch McConnells, John Cornyns, Lindsey Grahams, Tom Tillises in the party. No wonder the country is in the toilet. How can we fight the Satanists with our own party filled with political prostitutes?? The GOP should sue anyone who leaves early to recover all the money they raised defrauding people as a member of the conservative party!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ther-blow-to-gop-majority/#disqus_thread

If there’s a civil war, we’ve been watching it play out in conservative America since 2020. Seems like their most dangerous enemy is…each other?

The biggest threat to conservative America is conservative America. MAGA
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/23/24 12:24 PM
Advocating for the murder of a president should be a crime. How the hell does she even get elected as dog catcher.

As much as I dislike Trump, I'd not advocate for his murder.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/23/24 02:42 PM
I certainly agree with what you posted with only one caveat'. I think the biggest threat to conservatives is the extremist right of the Republican party.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/23/24 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by Jester
I heard that because of the timing, the position he is vacating will not be filled until the november election

Sound about right. Especially with the right reacting like this:

Mike Gallagher is yet another selfish, arrogant Satanist Democrat disguised as a Republican. Patriots, we have so many Mike Gallaghers, Ken Bucks, Mitch McConnells, John Cornyns, Lindsey Grahams, Tom Tillises in the party. No wonder the country is in the toilet. How can we fight the Satanists with our own party filled with political prostitutes?? The GOP should sue anyone who leaves early to recover all the money they raised defrauding people as a member of the conservative party!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ther-blow-to-gop-majority/#disqus_thread

If there’s a civil war, we’ve been watching it play out in conservative America since 2020. Seems like their most dangerous enemy is…each other?

The biggest threat to conservative America is conservative America. MAGA


1, when gallagher's resignation becomes official on april 19, the GOP majority in the house will be 1 vote.


2, while I understand why the reasonable republicans are resigning, I think it is a mistake and potentially bad for our country. It makes space for more MAGA republicans to fill that seat. I have no issue with reasonable republicans and agree with many of their stances. However, the move to MAGA, if not thwarted, will lead to the destruction of this country. They need to stay in office and stand up to the crazy.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/25/24 01:06 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senator-lisa-murkowski-says-she-174028257.html

Senator Lisa Murkowski Says She May Leave GOP Over Party’s Trump-Mania
Amanda Yen
Sun, March 24, 2024 at 10:40 AM PDT·2 min read

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), a longtime critic of Donald Trump, teased a possible exit from the GOP over its unwavering commitment to the former president, refusing to rule out a run as an independent.

In a brief interview with CNN’s Manu Raju from Capitol Hill, Murkowski reiterated her disapproval of Trump and lamented the party’s continued defense of him.

“I wish that as Republicans, we could have a nominee that I could get behind. I certainly can’t get behind Donald Trump,” she said.

When asked if she would consider leaving the Republican party and becoming an independent, Murkowski responded, “Oh, I think I’m very independent-minded.”

“I just regret that our party is seemingly becoming a party of Donald Trump,” she added.


Murkowski has frequently crossed swords with Trump and prevailed in a 2022 attempt to unseat her, when he threw his support behind her election rival Kelly Tshibaka. She’s voiced concerns about Trump’s hold on the GOP and floated the possibility of leaving the party before.

The longtime Alaska senator was one of only seven GOP senators to vote to convict Trump in his second impeachment trial over his role in the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection. Only three other senators who voted against Trump remain in the chamber—Bill Cassidy (R-LA), Susan Collins (R-ME), and Mitt Romney (R-UT), who will retire at the end of his term.

Murkowski had previously endorsed Nikki Haley for president. But after Haley suspended her campaign, following a weak showing in the primaries, Murkowski was left without a candidate to back.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/25/24 01:32 PM
It just proves republicans are generally weak and won’t stand up and call out the cray cray in the room.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/25/24 01:38 PM
Exclusive: Lara Trump Set to Release Single ‘Anything Is Possible’

https://www.breitbart.com/entertain...-trump-release-single-anything-possible/

Oooo the Trumps are coming for the Swifties lmfao
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/25/24 01:50 PM
Lol those royalties will need to be like Swifty’s to pay off trump troubles.
Posted By: hitt Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/25/24 03:19 PM
Crook....depends on what definition of is is......another example of the wonderful way Trump counts-- for taxes his properties are worth and have this size...for selling they have this worth and are this size....the MAN has been a liar for decades....an example...years ago FACT CHECK- how many business bankruptcies has Trump had?
THE FACT CHECKER | Clinton is correct.

Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

Why the discrepancy? Perhaps this will give us an idea: Trump told Washington Post reporters that he counted the first three bankruptcies as just one.

Donald can't count....but the American People elected him President.....WOW!!! And have another chance--- we be dumb!!!
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 02:47 PM
It’s gonna be interesting seeing Trump try to do anything meaningful in office if he wins this election. GOP in the house jumping ship damn near every week. Trump with a dem controlled house and senate is gonna accomplish what exactly..
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 04:36 PM
A: Pardons for insurrectionists. Executive orders for deportations of Mexicans. A Russian take over of Ukraine. Peaceful demonstrations turned into bloodbaths. A federal ban on all abortions. Israel takes total control of the GAZA strip, no two state solutions, and they also start the process of doing the same in the West Bank, more war. war. war. Gotta fuel the military manufacturing industry and keep them ticking along.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 04:55 PM
Judges in Trump-related cases face unprecedented wave of threats

Judges and prosecutors are facing repeated threats of violence as they handle cases related to Trump, interviews and documents reveal. The wave of intimidation follows the ex-president’s attacks on judges as corrupt and biased – and some worry it threatens America’s long tradition of judicial independence.

U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth has been threatened by angry criminals. Drug cartels. Even al Qaeda.

But nothing, Lamberth says, prepared him for the wave of harassment after he began hearing cases against supporters of former President Donald Trump who attacked the U.S. Capitol in a bid to overturn the 2020 election.

Right-wing websites painted Lamberth, appointed to the bench by Republican President Ronald Reagan, as part of a “deep state” conspiracy to destroy Trump and his followers. Calls for his execution cropped up on Trump-friendly websites. “Traitors get ropes,” one wrote. After he issued a prison sentence to a 69-year-old Idaho woman who pleaded guilty to joining the Jan. 6, 2021, riot, his chambers’ voicemail filled with death threats. One man found Lamberth’s home phone number and called repeatedly with graphic vows to murder him.

“I could not believe how many death threats I got,” Lamberth told Reuters, revealing the calls to his home for the first time.

As Trump faces a welter of indictments and lawsuits ahead of this year’s election, his loyalists have been waging a campaign of threats and intimidation at judges, prosecutors and other court officials, according to a Reuters review of threat data compiled by the U.S. Marshals Service, posts on right-wing message boards, and interviews with more than two dozen law-enforcement agents, judicial officials and legal experts.

As the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination – and a defendant in four criminal cases alleging 91 felonies – Trump has fused the roles of candidate and defendant. He attacks judges as political foes, demonizes prosecutors and casts the judicial system as biased against him and his supporters.

These broadsides frequently trigger surges in threats against the judges, prosecutors and other court officials he targets, Reuters found. Since Trump launched his first presidential campaign in June 2015, the average number of threats and hostile communications directed at judges, federal prosecutors, judicial staff and court buildings has more than tripled, according to the Reuters review of data from the Marshals Service, which is responsible for protecting federal court personnel.

The annual average rose from 1,180 incidents in the decade prior to Trump’s campaign to 3,810 in the seven years after he declared his candidacy and began his practice of criticizing judges. In all, the Marshals documented nearly 27,000 threatening and harassing communications targeting federal courts from the fall of 2015 through the fall of 2022, a volume they consider unprecedented in their 234-year history. There is no national data collection for threats against state and local judges. Many states do not even track the problem.

Since late 2020, Trump has ramped up his criticism of the judiciary dramatically, first amid his dozens of failed lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss and, more recently, amid a cascade of criminal and civil litigation. In that time, serious threats against federal judges alone have more than doubled, from 220 in 2020 to 457 in 2023, as Reuters reported on Feb. 13.

“Donald Trump set the stage,” retired Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor, a Republican who stepped down at the end of 2022, said in an interview. Trump “gave permission by his actions and words for others to come forward and talk about judges in terms not just criticizing their decisions, but disparaging them and the entire judiciary.”

Trump and his spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment. He has appeared defiant in public comments on the judiciary, saying in January that if the criminal cases against him hurt his election prospects, “it’ll be bedlam in the country.”

Despite the rise in threats, arrests are rare. The U.S. Justice Department says it does not track the number of people charged or convicted for threatening judges. Reuters identified just 57 federal prosecutions for threats to judges since 2020 in a review of court databases, Justice Department records and news accounts.

Whether to press federal charges is typically up to the Justice Department and its prosecutors based on evidence gathered by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Justice Department declined to comment on judicial threats and prosecutions. The FBI and Marshals would not comment on specific incidents. Marshals Director Ronald Davis told Reuters that the agency is dedicating unprecedented resources to judicial protection. The FBI said it “takes all potential threats seriously.”

In the case of Lamberth, the federal judge in Washington, D.C., U.S. Marshals found the culprit, who has not been identified, and warned the man to stop. No arrest was made. The Marshals upgraded Lamberth’s home security system. The calls stopped, but his concerns lingered about threats that now come from “ordinary people you wouldn’t suspect,” Lamberth said.

For judges, threats have always been part of the job. But traditionally they have come from aggrieved parties – a criminal angered by a long sentence, a spouse by a divorce ruling, a businessman by a bankruptcy decision. Today, a single politically charged case can generate hundreds of threats from people with no direct interest in the matter.

Those cases can generate rage across the political spectrum.

The U.S. Supreme Court’s 2022 decision to end the legal right to abortion stoked left-wing anger against the court’s conservatives, including an alleged assassination attempt against Justice Brett Kavanaugh. After a draft of the ruling leaked, police arrested Nicholas John Roske outside Kavanaugh’s home, armed with a gun, a knife and tactical gear. He said he was enraged by the draft ruling and planned to kill the justice. He has pleaded not guilty to attempted murder and awaits trial.

Many of the threats against judges examined by Reuters echo Trump’s statements in social media posts and speeches, where he has attacked judges as “totally biased,” “crooked,” “partisan” and “hostile,” dismissed courts as “rigged” and called prosecutors “corrupt.” Threatening messages on pro-Trump online forums often repeat those terms or cast the former president as a heroic figure besieged by corrupt judges in secret “Democrat” plots.

“Hanging judges for treason is soon to be on the menu boys!” said one anonymous January post on the pro-Trump forum Patriots.Win. The post referred to federal judge Lewis Kaplan, who presided over writer E. Jean Carroll’s successful defamation suit against Trump in New York. Kaplan did not respond to a request to comment.

Judges at every level of the U.S. legal system have voiced alarm, saying the rising tide of threats jeopardizes the judicial independence that underpins America’s democratic constitutional order. Judges not only rule on criminal and civil cases, but also act as a check on the power of the U.S. president, Congress and state governments.

Trump has bristled at the rule of law. In 2022, he called for the “termination” of the U.S. Constitution if it would restore him to power. In December, he said he wanted to “be a dictator for one day,” his first back in office, so he can wall off the U.S.-Mexico border.

Reuters interviewed 14 sitting judges and four retired judges. Some were reluctant to share details about threats they’ve received or the security precautions they’ve taken. But all expressed worry about the growing volume of threats and their potential to undermine courts’ legitimacy.

“We can’t have a situation where judges are in fear that a ruling, an unpopular ruling, can lead to reprisals,” U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Richard Sullivan, who chairs a federal judiciary committee that oversees security for court personnel, said in an interview.

“We are coming to kill you”

Trump has derided the judiciary in intensely personal terms since his 2016 presidential campaign. Back then, he repeatedly attacked a federal judge handling a fraud lawsuit against the defunct Trump University. He accused Indiana-born Gonzalo Curiel of bias based on his Mexican heritage, called him a “hater” with a conflict of interest because of Trump’s hard-line immigration policies, and suggested investigating him. “They ought to look into Judge Curiel, because what Judge Curiel is doing is a total disgrace.” Curiel declined to comment.

The berating of Curiel established the tone for Trump’s subsequent attacks on the judiciary, which set him apart from other contemporary political figures.

In 2017, Trump excoriated federal Judge James Robart, a Republican appointee who blocked an executive order barring travelers from certain predominantly Muslim nations from entering the United States. Trump urged people to blame the “so-called judge” for opening a door to potential terrorists. Robart told Reuters he received thousands of hostile messages, including more than 100 threats serious enough to trigger Marshals Service investigations. He was not aware of any arrests related to the threats.

When Trump’s term ended, the threats continued as courts rejected dozens of lawsuits alleging electoral fraud filed by Trump and his allies.

Whenever a case against Trump was in court, “we would see a noticeable uptick in threats directed at whatever judge had the case,” said Jon Trainum, who headed the U.S. Marshals’ unit that investigated judicial threats for five years before retiring in 2021.

More recently, Trump has blasted judges and prosecutors involved in the multiple civil and criminal cases against him. He has described his jailed supporters from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot as patriots and political prisoners. And he has lashed out at state judges who have ruled that he should be disqualified from the 2024 presidential ballot based on the criminal charges he faces.

In all, at least 10 judges and four prosecutors have received threats and harassment, according to interviews with court officials and a review of police records, federal court files, social media and news reports.

In a Feb. 26 court filing, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg blamed Trump’s “inflammatory remarks” for a series of death threats he received while prosecuting a case alleging Trump paid hush money to cover up an affair with a porn star. One letter contained white powder and a note: “Alvin: I am going to kill you.” Another warned he would “get assassinated” if he didn’t “leave Trump alone.” Citing a surge in threats to 89 in 2023 from one the year before, Bragg sought a judge’s order to limit Trump’s public statements.

Another frequent Trump target is New York Justice Arthur Engoron, who ordered the ex-president this month to pay $454 million in penalties for fraudulently overstating his net worth to dupe lenders to his real-estate business. A security officer in Engoron’s court testified in a November filing that the judge and his staff had received “hundreds of threats, disparaging and harassing comments and antisemitic messages” linked to the case. “Trust me when I say this. I will come for you,” one message promised. “Trump owns you,” another warned. No one has been arrested.

Tanya Chutkan, a federal judge in Washington assigned to Special Counsel Jack Smith’s criminal election-subversion case against Trump, also has been targeted. On Trump’s social media platform, Truth Social, the ex-president has called her a “biased, Trump-hating judge” incapable of giving him a fair trial.

On Aug. 4, the day after Trump was formally charged in the case, Trump posted on Truth Social: “If you go after me, I’m coming after you!” The next day, Chutkan, who is Black, received an alarming voicemail. “You stupid slave n—” a woman’s voice said, using a racist slur, according to an affidavit filed by prosecutors in court. “If Trump doesn’t get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. So tread lightly, bitch.”

Chutkan’s office declined a request for comment from the judge.

A Trump spokesperson said at the time that his social media comments were “the definition of political speech” and targeted interest groups, not judges. But Special Counsel Smith highlighted Trump’s post in a Sept. 15 court motion. Trump was trying “to undermine confidence in the criminal justice system” through “inflammatory attacks” on those involved in the case, he said.

Federal agents arrested the woman who threatened Chutkan, Abigail Jo Shry, 43, of Texas. She pleaded not guilty to a federal felony of threatening a judge and is awaiting trial. Her lawyer declined to comment.

“Dox this judge”

Shry’s case is unusual. Few people face charges for threatening judges and the federal courts, according to a Reuters analysis of legal databases and other public records.

Over the last four years, the Marshals investigated more than 1,200 threats against federal judges that they considered serious, according to the data provided to Reuters. Among the 57 federal prosecutions Reuters identified during that period, 47 involved threats against federal judges, six involved threats against state judges, and four involved threats against both. There is no national data on state-level prosecutions for threats against judges.

Judges tell of the shock of suddenly being besieged with threats, and some express frustration that most of their harassers remain unpunished.

In March 2017, after a federal court in Hawaii blocked Trump’s second attempt to ban travelers from some Muslim countries, Trump said to applause at a Tennessee rally that the decision was “political.” Within 24 hours, at least one website published the home address of the presiding judge in that case, Derrick Watson. Demands to execute Watson and his fellow judges appeared online. “We need to start hanging these traitors,” one person wrote on a right-wing website. Thousands of angry calls poured into Watson’s office, the judge told Reuters in his first interview on the experience.

Marshals deemed dozens of the messages serious death threats and assigned Watson a 24-hour security detail for nearly a month, he said. His family traveled for over a week in an armed three-car convoy for daily routines, including grocery shopping and picking up his sons from school.

“When those threats involve our family, it’s on another level,” he said.

Marshals questioned a New Jersey man and an Arizona woman who had made particularly alarming threats, warning them of potential charges if they didn’t stop, Watson said. No one was arrested, he said, but the worst threats stopped. Since then, he remains a target on Patriots.Win, the pro-Trump message board. “Dox this judge, go to his house,” said one post last year that remains on the site.

Patriots.Win did not respond to a request for comment.

Watson said he worries that the climate of intimidation will deter people from serving on the bench. Without better enforcement of existing laws and the passage of new ones to safeguard judges, would-be jurists “will be chilled by their concerns over physical safety,” he said.

In Washington D.C., federal Judge Reggie Walton says he received one or two threats in his first 18 years on the bench, handling major criminal cases. But since Walton, who is Black, began hearing cases against Jan. 6 Capitol attackers, people enraged by the prosecutions routinely leave threatening and racist messages on his office phone, including one chilling threat targeting his family.

“An individual from Texas called and left two messages – the first one threatening me personally, and the second one making a threat against my daughter,” Walton told Reuters. The caller knew his daughter’s name, and his address. “That was very disconcerting,” he said. “I surely would not want something to happen to a family member.”

Walton said he turned the calls over to the Marshals Service, which contacted the FBI. Federal agents visited the man in Texas, Walton said, but decided not to file charges. “They were of the view that he was apologetic and contrite about what he had done,” he said. The incident has not been previously reported. Walton said he was disturbed by the decision not to arrest the man but felt it “should be independently made,” without pressure from him.

Threats against judges can be prosecuted under multiple federal statutes, some punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a maximum $250,000 fine. But many menacing messages don’t meet the standard for a criminal offense – generally defined as a direct threat that puts a person in fear of death or violence – because of the U.S. Constitution’s sweeping free-speech protections. Drawing the line can be difficult, say former Marshals and judges. Federal agents often look for language reflecting a clear intent to act, rather than simply suggesting a frightening outcome.

“If somebody says, ‘Judge, you should be hung from a gallows in front of the courthouse,’ that’s different than, ‘Judge, I am coming to your courthouse and I’m going to hang you’,” said Carl Caulk, a former assistant director of the Marshals Service who retired in 2015.

“Like drinking through a fire hose”

The most serious threats lead to criminal investigations, typically by the FBI. Agents sometimes warn threateners of prosecution if they do it again, rather than arrest them, according to judges and prosecutors. But the volume of emails, phone calls, social media posts and other communications that contain threatening language is so enormous that law enforcement has struggled to keep up, judges and prosecutors say.

“It’s like drinking through a fire hose, and you know we only have so much bandwidth,” said Trainum, the former senior Marshals official. “We have to go through all of the ones that we receive and triage them to some degree. All of that takes time. All of that takes resources. All of that takes personnel.”

State judges also face politically inspired threats.

Arizona’s Maricopa County, an epicenter of unfounded election conspiracy theories, logged more than 400 cases of threats and harassment targeting judges, their staff and the courts between 2020 and 2023, according to previously unpublished county data reviewed by Reuters. Maricopa officials didn’t track threats until noticing a spike in 2020, a county official said.

In Wisconsin, a presidential battleground state, lawmakers are considering stronger protections for judges following 142 threats made against state judges in the last year, according to data from the Wisconsin Supreme Court Marshal’s Office.

In Colorado, after the state’s seven supreme court justices ruled in December to disqualify Trump from the state’s 2024 presidential ballot, the ex-president blasted the court in speeches and social media posts. The judges faced multiple incidents of threats and harassment, including four “swatting” attempts, or hoax calls intended to draw police to their homes, said the Denver Police Department. The department tightened security for the justices. No one has been arrested, a police spokesperson said.

While there is no national data on intimidation of state judges, serious threats against them are growing, according to a survey of 398 mostly state judges, completed in 2022, by the National Judicial College, a judicial education group. Nearly 90% expressed some worry over their safety, and one in three reported carrying a gun at some point for protection, the previously unreported survey found.

Despite the torrent of threats, physical attacks against judges remain relatively rare. Since 2000, at least three state judges and one federal judge have been killed in connection with their work.

But the 2020 killing of the son of New Jersey federal Judge Esther Salas highlighted the risks. The shooter, a self-described “anti-feminist” lawyer, blamed Salas for moving too slowly on a case he was involved in. He dressed as a postal delivery driver, shot her 20-year-old son when he opened the door, and wounded her husband. The shooter later killed himself.

Following her son’s murder, Salas campaigned for new laws to better shield judges’ personal information in public records, and prevent them from being revealed by internet data brokers. In 2022, Congress passed a federal version, named for Salas’ son, Daniel Anderl. New Jersey also passed a strong version of that law, Salas said, but most other states have not. “We need to make sure that judges are safe and are able to do their jobs without feeling like targets in target practice,” she said in an interview.

The Salas case “was a wake-up call for the entire country,” said Davis, the Marshals Director.

An earlier killing offered a powerful lesson for Lamberth, the judge whose sentences for Jan. 6 Capitol rioters have drawn death threats. Seven months after he took the bench in 1987, his close friend Richard Daronco, a federal judge in New York, was murdered at home by the enraged father of a woman whose sexual discrimination suit was dismissed in Daronco’s court.

“We had never even contemplated that one of us could get killed in this job,” Lamberth said.

Soon after, Lamberth, a Vietnam War veteran, received his first death threat. A letter to his chambers said he would be murdered if he did not free a drug dealer he had jailed. Marshals had briefed his family on security precautions, but they were nervous, Lamberth said. “We had to adjust to the fact we could be a target.”

Another scare came after al Qaeda’s September 2001 attacks. The U.S. government feared that Lamberth, then chief judge on the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, might be an assassination target because he had authorized the first wiretaps on the Islamist militant group in the 1990s.

“I went everywhere with Marshals protection for a couple of years,” he said.

Still, Lamberth said, he was unprepared for the sheer volume of threats he’s received in connection to the Jan. 6 riot cases. Many are from people on the right enraged by the sentences he’s issued, but he has also received some threats from the left. While many of them are idle, Lamberth said, the Marshals have left the judge with little doubt that some are “dangerous,” and he and his family remain on constant alert.

Whenever he receives a delivery at home, he remembers what happened to Judge Salas’ family in New Jersey.

“Living this way, it does change your life,” he said.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-judges-threats/
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 05:01 PM
When tables are turned and MAGA supporters are threatened or killed because of their own actions it will be interesting to see their reactions.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 06:57 PM
Ex-Ohio state House Speaker, imprisoned in corruption case, indicted on new charges

Former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder (R), who was imprisoned for leading a corruption scheme last year, has now been indicted on new charges.

Householder faces 10 new felony counts after being indicted Monday by a county grand jury.

The new counts include allegations of ethics violations, misuse of campaign funds and theft in office, which could ban him from being an elected official in Ohio.

“This case seeks to hold Mr. Householder accountable for his actions under state law, and I expect that the results will permanently bar him from public service in Ohio,” Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost said in a statement. “State crimes have state penalties, and a conviction will ensure that there will be no more comebacks from the ‘Comeback Kid.’”

Householder, 64, faces one count of theft in office, one count of telecommunications fraud, two counts of aggravated theft, five counts of tampering with records and one count of money laundering.

Householder’s lawyer, Steven Bradley said Monday he has not spoken to Householder yet, but “we hope to do that soon and will determine how to best proceed,” according to The Associated Press.

Last June, Householder was sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading a $61 million corruption scheme. Utility company FirstEnergy had sought to get legislation passed that would be friendly to the Akron-based company, including a $1.3 billion taxpayer-funded bailout of two nuclear plants in the Buckeye State.

FirstEnergy had to pay a $230 million fine for its involvement in the bribery case. Some of the executives were fired. Former Ohio GOP Chair Matt Borges was also found guilty on racketeering charges.

Householder served two separate terms as Speaker.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...zhs5aiV5rB4HUMVy1mlWfqoTlKEtzCbr7zsizGV0
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/26/24 07:10 PM
Between this and the order for FirstEnergy to pay $306 million in refunds to consumers they ripped off, it seems "pimpin' ain't easy" for them in Ohio anymore.

As for Householder, human garbage getting more assurance he'll keep his address in an Oklahoma Federal Prison.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 04:30 AM
Trump is now a Bible Huckster-pimp. SMFH, GUPers are sad AF.

Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 03:10 PM
Blessem
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 04:09 PM
As Ozzy would say.... "Satan laughing spreads his wings. Oh Lord yeah!"
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Trump is now a Bible Huckster-pimp. SMFH, GUPers are sad AF.



And what’s sad is that it might sell like hotcakes with that demographic. Church attendance is at an all time low, and this is just more evidence as to why that is. I wonder how many suckers are gonna buy into DJT.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 04:57 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Trump is now a Bible Huckster-pimp. SMFH, GUPers are sad AF.



And what’s sad is that it might sell like hotcakes with that demographic. Church attendance is at an all time low, and this is just more evidence as to why that is. I wonder how many suckers are gonna buy into DJT.

Isn't there a saying about a fool and their money?
Posted By: hitt Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 05:26 PM
Greatest Hawker of all time- don't forget his latest scent- Victory 47.......please make sure you get your bible and sneakers. Damn is he good.......and definitely PRESIDENTIAL. Unbelieveable.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 05:59 PM
Lawyers for Trump after 2020 election face professional reckonings

Fallout for lawyers who assisted Donald Trump in his efforts to overturn the 2020 election is coming into focus this week, as one ex-lawyer for Trump will find if he may lose his law license and another attorney is in the middle of a disciplinary trial.

John Eastman, a conservative law professor, and Jeffrey Clark, the former Trump Justice Department official whom Trump nearly installed as attorney general, face major developments in their attorney discipline cases in the jurisdictions where they are barred.

The developments highlight how, even years after the 2020 election, authorities that regulate the attorneys are still looking closely at the actions of attorneys for Trump, several of whom could lose their law licenses.

In addition to Eastman and Clark, three other lawyers for Trump in 2020 — Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro and Jenna Ellis —have pleaded guilty to criminal charges in Georgia that could risk their law licenses.

Another lawyer, Stefanie Lambert, recently spent the night in jail for failing to show up for a case against her in Michigan, while the prominent attorney Rudy Giuliani is in bankruptcy and suspended from practicing law.

And Lawrence Joseph, Julia Haller and Brandon Johnson, who worked in battleground states to support Trump and on frivolous court filings alleging election fraud after the last presidential election, are now facing attorney disciplinary charges in Washington, DC.

The State Bar of California is expected to issue a decision by Wednesday regarding Eastman, the architect of an effort to halt Congress’ certification of the 2020 results.

Meanwhile, Clark’s professional ethics trial began on Tuesday.

The trial is scheduled to last through the week and will focus on attempts by Clark to use the Justice Department in late 2020 and early 2021 to boost the former president’s election fraud claims.

So far in the trial, Clark’s attorney, Harry MacDougald, has highlighted how Clark was following the lead of Trump after the election. MacDougald also suggested in his opening statement that Clark believed he had reason to question election results, especially in Georgia.

But a Justice Department official who outranked Clark, then-Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue, testified for several hours on Tuesday about Clark being out of line.

Donoghue testified that the Justice Department checked out claims of election fraud and found no situation where federal authorities would need to pursue further investigation. Nonetheless, he recalled, Clark believed smart thermostats could have interfered with votes, and harbored other suspicions of foreign interference in the election.

Clark’s theories “were just not supported by evidence,” Donoghue said under oath on Tuesday. “I said, ‘Where are you getting this from? You haven’t been briefed on any investigation.’”

Later, Clark was given an intelligence briefing that Donoghue and others believed could help Clark understand there wasn’t widespread fraud in the election. But he was undeterred, Donoghue said, even talking to an election doubter in Georgia directly instead of authorities in the state and continuing to ignore what his superiors at the Justice Department told him.

“It was clear he was sort of conducting an investigation on his own,” Donoghue testified, under questioning from DC Bar’s Disciplinary Counsel Hamilton Fox. “Nothing … credible, or could be corroborated in any way.”

Donoghue also testified about Justice Department leadership learning that Clark met with Trump directly — an approach outside of how the White House and DOJ typically communicated — when Trump wanted the department to pursue unfounded theories of fraud.

“My first reaction was, and I said it out loud: ‘You violated the White House contacts policy,’” Donoghue testified. “I was taken aback … I said, ‘Do not violate it again.’”

Clark’s DC trial is occurring before a three-person disciplinary committee that will make findings and write a recommendation to a professional responsibility board governing professional discipline for those barred to practice law in the city.

The committee could recommend disbarment, which it has already done for Giuliani after a similar trial related to his 2020 election actions, that would need to be certified ultimately by DC’s court. (The three people on the committee reviewing Clark were not the three who reviewed Giuliani.)

Eastman’s situation is closer to the end of the line regarding his law license. He has already sat for a long trial in California regarding his professional conduct as a lawyer for Trump. A judge there preliminarily found him culpable for ethics violations.

A decision from Judge Yvette Roland, of the attorney discipline court in the state, is expected Wednesday.

Eastman will have the opportunity to appeal if Roland decides to disbar him or otherwise punish him. The California Supreme Court will ultimately decide whether to endorse or reject the punishment Roland hands down.

Separately, Eastman and Clark are both charged criminally in Georgia in the racketeering conspiracy indictment against Trump and more than a dozen others. They have pleaded not guilty.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/27/politics/jeffrey-clark-john-eastman-trump-lawyers/index.html
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 06:50 PM
RNC staffers and new hires asked whether they believe the 2020 election was stolen

Current and potential staffers at the Republican National Committee have been asked in recent job interviews whether they believe the 2020 election was stolen, according to two sources familiar with the questioning.

Over the past few weeks, Trump advisers have asked current and potential RNC employees about their views of fraud during the 2020 election, with the question serving as an apparent litmus test for hiring, the sources said.

Use of the question comes after the Trump campaign has effectively merged its operations with the RNC.

The Washington Post first reported the substance of the interview questions.

A key focus for the Trump campaign, and newly-elected leadership at the RNC, ahead of the 2024 election is election fraud. Much of that focus stems from former President Donald Trump’s dissatisfaction with how the RNC handled claims of election fraud around the 2020 election, multiple sources familiar with the matter said. There is no evidence of widespread election fraud in the last presidential contest.

“Candidates who worked on the front line in battleground states or are currently in states where fraud allegations have been prevalent were asked about their work experience. We want experienced staff with meaningful views on how elections are won and lost and real experience-based opinions about what happens in the trenches,” RNC spokeswoman Danielle Alvarez told CNN.

Trump advisers have also told potential new hires that they should plan to move to West Palm Beach, Florida, where Trump’s campaign is centered, the sources said.

The new hiring questions come as Trump continues to falsely claim, both publicly and privately, that the 2020 election was rife with fraud, and suggest that President Joe Biden stole the election from him — a rallying cry that has united many GOP voters around him.

Trump’s relationship with former RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel largely fractured over the former president’s dissatisfaction with how she handled alleged claims of fraud.

Shortly after former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley exited the Republican primary, and effectively made Trump the GOP presidential nominee, two Trump allies glided to roles at the top of RNC leadership.

Trump’s endorsed candidates – North Carolina GOP chairman Michael Whatley and his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump – were swiftly elected to serve as the organization’s new chair and co-chair, respectively, at the RNC’s spring meeting in Houston, Texas.

Trump also installed two of his senior advisers, Chris LaCivita and James Blair, to serve in senior positions at the RNC. LaCivita took on the role of the committee’s chief operating officer, while Blair was selected to help drive the RNC’s political strategy, sources familiar with the plans told CNN. Both will continue in their roles as advisers to Trump’s 2024 campaign.

In a recent interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” McDaniel said Trump “absolutely wanted me to move aside and wanted Michael Whatley and Lara Trump to come in.”

McDaniel added that while she thinks there are still concerns with the security of elections in the United States, Biden won the 2020 election “fair and square.” (McDaniel, who made the comments after being announced as a paid NBC News political analyst, was ousted from the network on Tuesday after backlash from the network’s top television anchors to her role in subverting the 2020 election and attacks on the press.)

While chairwoman of the RNC, McDaniel refused to acknowledge that Biden won the 2020 election. She also was involved in a phone call in 2020 to pressure Michigan county officials not to certify the vote from the Detroit area, where Biden had a commanding lead.

Trump advisers have since described the current relationship between the campaign and the RNC as “a symbiotic” one, where they will operate largely as one and the same.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/26/politics/rnc-election-fraud-job-interview-question/index.html
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 06:53 PM
Yet GOPers still see nothing SUS about Donnie.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/27/24 09:02 PM
Unfounded conspiracy theories spread online after Baltimore bridge collapse

Major news events — like the pandemic, natural disasters and mass shootings — now consistently serve as fodder for fringe figures.

Outlandish conspiracy theories circulated on X after a containership collided with a major bridge in Maryland, causing it to collapse, early Tuesday morning.

The ship hit a supporting structure of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which is located southeast of the Baltimore metropolitan area.

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore declared a state of emergency and said the calamity that knocked down the bridge was most likely the result of an accident and not an act of terrorism. Moore told reporters that crew members of the Dali containership, which struck the Key Bridge on Tuesday morning, had notified authorities that they lost power.

As rescuers search for survivors, some online conspiracy theorists have attempted to uncover a nonexistent plot to explain the collision.

Major news events — like the pandemic, natural disasters and mass shootings — now consistently serve as fodder for fringe figures, many of them on the far right, to amplify their world views that often feature shadowy cabals or major unseen threats.

Once relegated to certain corners of the internet, these figures have flourished on X since Elon Musk acquired the platform and removed many of the rules that once tried to limit the spread of false claims. Musk has garnered backlash in the past for amplifying conspiracy theories and restoring accounts for known conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. A spokesperson for X did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Some on Tuesday claimed that the shipping vessel came under “cyberattacks,” or that Covid-era lockdowns were to blame. There have been no reports suggesting that any of these conspiracies are remotely true. In response to some of the posts, X had a “readers added context” note/disclaimer, in which people fact-checked the posters.

But it’s not just so-called keyboard warriors who are posting the theories. Several conspiracies were elevated by public officials on TV and by those with massive followings on social media.

On Fox Business, anchor Maria Bartiromo falsely suggested the “wide-open border” could have something to do with the collision, a clip of which circulated on X. No link to immigration has been made by officials.

A spokesperson for Fox did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Controversial influencer Andrew Tate shared a conspiracy that falsely suggested the ship had been “cyber-attacked,” citing that in the video of the collision, the ship’s lights appear to turn off just before impact.

In video leading up to and of the incident, around 1:24 a.m. EDT, the ship’s lights turn off for a minute but then flicker back on. About 10 seconds later, smoke is seen coming from the ship’s chimney. At 1:26 a.m., the ship appears to turn and moments later loses its lights again. They come back on a half a minute later.

A spokesperson for Tate did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/francis-scott-key-bridge-collapse-conspiracy-theories-online-rcna145105

rolleyes
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 11:48 AM
This dem ran against R David Cole in 2022 and lost by 7%. The Dem Lands ran against Republican Teddy Powell on Tuesday night and won 62.4% to 37.6%-In Alabama; That is unheard of. Oh yea, the reason there was an open seat; The republican who beat the dem Marilyn Lands in 2022 had to vacate his seat after he pled guilty for voter fraud.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ction-marilyn-lands-results/73107672007/



A victory for reproductive rights? Democratic candidate Marilyn Lands wins Alabama special election
Karissa Waddick
USA TODAY







Democrat Marilyn Lands won a contentious special election for a state house seat in deep-red Alabama on Tuesday night, in a race that could signal the dominant role of abortion and in-vitro fertilization in elections across the country in 2024.

Lands, a licensed professional counselor, beat Republican Teddy Powell, a Madison City Council member, in the race for an open seat in Alabama’s state house that was left vacant after former Republican Rep. David Cole pleaded guilty to voter fraud. Lands ran against Cole in 2022 for the 10th District seat, which represents an area around Huntsville, but lost by seven points.

While her win won’t change the makeup of the heavily Republican Alabama legislature, it does showcase the enormous impact reproductive issues, such as abortion and in-vitro fertilization, could have down the ballot in 2024.


The election was one of the first tests of how Alabama voters felt about the state court’s February ruling, which threatened access to IVF when it found that frozen embryos were legally considered children. The state’s legislature also weighed in on the issue in early March with legislation attempting to protect IVF providers and patients from prosecution.

Alabama is also one of several states where a strict abortion ban went into effect after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, an organization that works to elect Democrats to statehouses, defined the 10th District race as a test of the influence IVF and abortion could have on swing voters across the country in 2024.

Prep for the polls: See who is running for president and compare where they stand on key issues in our Voter Guide


Lands focused her campaign heavily on protecting abortion and IVF access.

In a TV ad, Lands shared her experience getting an abortion for a “nonviable” pregnancy years ago with an Alabama woman who faced a similar situation but who had to travel out of state to receive the procedure because of the state’s abortion ban after the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision.


She argued that a law passed in response to the state Supreme Court’s IVF ruling, which aimed to protect IVF providers and patients from prosecution, fell short and did not address the root concerns with the court’s decision.

The approach ultimately proved successful against Powell, who mainly campaigned on infrastructure and the economy.


While Powell expressed support for IVF access, he argued that it was different from abortion. He also criticized Lands for defining the 10th District race around reproductive issues.

“I’m not sure any race can or should be about a single issue,” he told USA TODAY. “Our district has many challenges that we’re facing that aren’t related at all to this specific issue.”


The race could be a microcosm for broader 2024 election trends.

Republican candidates across the country, including presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, are campaigning on issues such as immigration and the economy. They believe inflation and national security are among the most salient issues for voters this year.

Democrats, meanwhile, see abortion as a key motivating issue for voters, based on a string of ballot measure successes since the 2022 midterms.

But the Alabama race is among the first data points this year on which issues are most impactful. The results nod in favor of Democrats.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 11:49 AM
A California judge has formally recommended that attorney John Eastman lose his law license for his role in Donald Trump's legal effort to remain in power after losing the 2020 presidential election.


https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/1240905447/john-eastman-trump-lawyer-california


One down, a bunch more to go
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 12:58 PM
This issue is the achilles heel in the upcoming election.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 03:33 PM
Next thing we’ll hear. “Biden was at the helm.”
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 04:06 PM
Man sentenced to 11 months in prison for voicemail threats to Nancy Pelosi, Alejandro Mayorkas: DOJ

David Carrier had pleaded guilty to making threats against public officials.

A California man was sentenced to 11 months in prison for making threatening calls to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, the Justice Department announced Wednesday.

David Carrier, 44, of Concord, had pleaded guilty to two counts of making threats against public officials in December 2023.

Federal prosecutors had only sought a sentence of four years of probation for Carrier, noting he quickly accepted guilt and acknowledged his "lapse of judgment" in making the threats, according to a sentencing memorandum filed last week.

The judge overseeing his case ultimately disagreed. In addition to the 11-month prison sentence, Judge William Alsup ordered Carrier to three years of probation as well as requiring him to seek mental and substance abuse treatment upon his release during a sentencing hearing on Tuesday, prosecutors said.

Carrier left a voicemail with Pelosi's San Francisco office on Jan. 21, 2021, the day after President Joe Biden's inauguration, according to federal prosecutors.

"You better resign, you piece of f------ s---," Carrier said in his voicemail to Pelosi's office, according to the sentencing memorandum. "Cause we got a bullet and a rope with your f------ name on it. We're gonna f------ get you b----."

An intern who initially heard the message perceived it as a threat and forwarded it to her bosses, who subsequently forwarded the voicemail to law enforcement for investigation, according to prosecutors.

More than a year later, he made threatening calls to Mayorkas, prosecutors said. According to the sentencing memorandum, on June 30, 2022, he told an operator with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General to relay the following message: "If [Mayorkas] does not close the border someone is going to be shot. And it will be illegal immigrants."

Later that day, he left a voicemail with the DHS general hotline stating, according to the sentencing memorandum, "Tell that f--- Mayorkas to close the border before we citizens start killing those f------ illegal immigrants or we come looking for him and feed him to the dogs."

The voicemail message was perceived as a threat and forwarded to law enforcement for investigation, prosecutors said.

"Participating in the public political conversation is an important right for all citizens. Nevertheless, threatening our public servants is not protected by the First Amendment and corrodes our ability to engage in peaceful and important public discourse," U.S. Attorney Ismail Ramsey, whose office prosecuted the case, said in a statement. "This Office will not tolerate behavior that crosses the line to criminal threats."

ABC News has reached out to Carrier's attorney for comment on the sentencing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man...JRkiedCzwH-SE-s58BHwwTv35ZhQ5HHZhHKAfoB_
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 04:21 PM
For $60 US, the Trump Bible features:

1. The Declaration of Independence
2. The Pledge of Allegiance.
3. Not one, but TWO Corinthians
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 04:26 PM
11 months in the clink. I’m betting he feels it was well worth it. And probably sees a possible trump pardon on the way.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 04:31 PM
Not related to this thread. I found this image the other day.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 05:03 PM
That sweet whip belongs to Bootsy Collins, has player for George Clinton's funk bands, Parliament Funkadelic
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 07:11 PM
What causes people to be that damned dumb as to make threats to officials? It's not going to stop them from doing their jobs. It's not going to make either of them resign. The feds will increase protective services for them and then the perps will get caught. tried and if convicted, will go to jail.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
What causes people to be that damned dumb as to make threats to officials?

100% Trump, his behavior gives them permission to act out, the law disagrees.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Damanshot
What causes people to be that damned dumb as to make threats to officials?

100% Trump, his behavior gives them permission to act out, the law disagrees.

That's gotta be it., But if you tell a Trump stooge that, they'll call it DTS..
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 11:43 PM
It’s TDS. If you are going to make fun of others you should at least get your facts straight.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/28/24 11:51 PM
Leave him alone, he has a STD.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Leave him alone, he has a STD.


rofl
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 02:15 PM
Another very concerning data point on the Russia/Republicans front:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-gop-candidate-suggests-cia-094527082.html

House GOP Candidate Suggests CIA, Ukraine May Be To Blame For Moscow Terrorist Attack
Jonathan Nicholson
Fri, March 29, 2024 at 2:45 AM PDT·4 min read
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A Republican candidate for Congress in Washington state has suggested the CIA and Ukraine may be responsible for a terrorist attack last week that killed 143 people in Moscow, echoing a theory pushed, without evidence, by Kremlin propagandists.

Joe Kent, a conservative firebrand in a likely rematch with first-term Democrat Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, whom he narrowly lost to in 2022, made the comments in a Tuesday appearance on “Real America” on the right-wing One America News Network.

Kent, a retired Special Operations veteran and former foreign policy adviser in the Donald Trump administration, suggested the attack, which Islamic militants claimed responsibility for, could in fact have been orchestrated by Western interests and added that it was unlikely the truth would ever be known. He said Islamic militants had grievances with Russia that would lead them to attack, but he also said it was plausible the attack was a Western plot.

“If the Ukrainians were using CIA or [British intelligence agency] MI6 money, which they have a lot of access to, and they were tasked with conducting sabotage behind Russian lines, I mean, this is too easy. You can get access to these jihadis because they’re looking to work for the highest bidder, so it does kind of make sense,” Kent said.

Kent made a similar statement on “The Nunn Report” podcast the next day.

“If you’re looking for surrogates and you’re looking for someone who can do dirty work for you, if I’m a Ukrainian intel guy, I’m going to be, ‘Hey, these Muslims that have already an ax already to grind with Putin and with Russians, they might be a good pool for us to recruit from.’ So it’s not too much of a leap to think that,” he said on the right-wing podcast.

The Kent campaign did not immediately respond to multiple requests for comment.

A branch of ISIS, an Islamic militant group, claimed responsibility for the attack at a Moscow concert hall in which attendees were shot and the building was set on fire. The group issued its claim quickly after the attack and provided video to support the claim.

The attack appeared to catch Russian security services by surprise and shocked Russians. President Vladimir Putin, fresh off a reelection widely seen as illegitimate, pointed the finger at Ukraine, even as he said the attack was committed by “radical Islamists.”

“This atrocity may be just a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been at war with our country since 2014 by the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime,” he said in televised remarks. Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is Jewish and not a Nazi. Russia has, however, used claims that the Ukrainian government and society are rife with Nazis as a justification for its February 2022 invasion and ongoing war.

Sergey Karnaukhov, a Russian TV host, said, “Ukraine is a proxy force of American and British military and intelligence services. Does anyone have any doubt as to who did this?” Compliant Russian TV hosts and talk shows have long been seen as one way Putin shapes the public discourse in Russia.

The White House said the U.S. warned Russia earlier in March about the possibility of a terrorist attack and said there was no evidence Ukraine had any involvement.

“This was a terrorist attack that was conducted by ISIS. Mr. Putin understands that. He knows that very well,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Monday.

White House national security spokesperson John Kirby was even more blunt on Thursday.

“My uncle used to say that the best manure salesmen often carry their samples in their mouths. Russian officials seem to be pretty good manure salesmen,” he said.

Gluesenkamp Perez said Kent’s comments showed why he should not be elected in Washington’s 3rd Congressional District.

“It’s shocking to me how willingly Joe Kent swallows and repeats the propaganda narratives pushed out by the Kremlin. Joe Kent would be Putin’s go-to guy in Congress, one of the many reasons why electing Joe Kent would be dangerous for the entire country,” she said in a statement to HuffPost.

In his appearance on the Nunn show, Kent also advocated for halting Ukraine aid, which has been stalled in the House due to GOP opposition, to force the country to the bargaining table and freeze the conflict, a prospect Ukraine says would only give Russia time to prepare for a bigger attack.

Kent also said he thought the U.S. should promise Russia that Ukraine would never be allowed into NATO, to entice Russia to stand down, and the U.S. should avoid getting dragged into helping redraw the borders between the two in any land-for-peace negotiation, if one happens.

“That is a conflict between Slavic cousins, and the Slavic cousins need to work out where those lines go,” he said.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Leave him alone, he has a STD.

STD = Stop The Donald
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 03:06 PM
The truth may never be known so he plays the part of a manure salesman.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Leave him alone, he has a STD.

STD = Stop The Donald

Nice! I couldn't come up with anything on the fly. laugh
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 03:40 PM
I can't take credit for it. I saw it elsewhere.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 03:50 PM
Kinda the prototypical right wing authoritarian move. Project your every flaw onto your enemy.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 08:24 PM
Fact check: Michigan GOP legislator posted about ‘illegal invaders’ at Detroit airport. It was Gonzaga’s March Madness team

A Republican state representative in Michigan, Rep. Matt Maddock, claimed on social media on Wednesday night that he had photo evidence of “illegal invaders” arriving at Detroit Metro Airport.

One of the two photos Maddock posted on the platform called X, formerly known as Twitter, showed an Allegiant Air plane. The other photo showed three buses. Maddock wrote: “Happening right now. Three busses just loaded up with illegal invaders at Detroit Metro. Anyone have any idea where they’re headed with their police escort?”

Facts First: Maddock’s claim is false. The buses were not for “illegal invaders”; they were for the men’s college basketball teams that landed at the Detroit airport to compete in the NCAA tournament known as March Madness. The only Allegiant Air flight to the airport on Wednesday was a charter flight that carried the team from Gonzaga University, which plays Purdue University on Friday.

“The four men’s basketball teams competing in the NCAA Tournament’s Sweet 16 at Little Caesars Arena arrived at DTW Wednesday evening. The buses seen in a photograph circulating online were transporting the basketball teams and their respective staffs,” the Wayne County Airport Authority, which operates the Detroit Metro Airport, said in an email to CNN on Thursday.

It’s not certain which team took the particular buses shown in Maddock’s photo. But Barrett Henderson, Gonzaga University’s assistant athletic director for communications, confirmed to CNN on Thursday that the team flew on an Allegiant plane, landed at Detroit Metro airport on Wednesday evening in the hour before Maddock’s post, and boarded buses that were waiting at the airport.

An Allegiant spokesperson said Thursday that a charter flight carrying the Gonzaga team from Spokane, Washington, was the only Allegiant flight to the Detroit airport on Wednesday. That is corroborated by an online flight-tracking website.

As for Maddock’s claim about “illegal invaders” getting a police escort? Henderson confirmed that the bus carrying Gonzaga’s players received a police escort to their hotel. Rob Anderson, sports information director at Creighton University, told CNN that their team landed at the airport on Wednesday afternoon, had buses waiting and received a police escort as well.

“I was on one of those buses,” Anderson said.

Maddock triples down

Maddock made his false claim in a month during which false and misleading claims about airplane flights involving migrants have proliferated on the political right.

Hundreds of social media users quickly disputed Maddock’s post on Wednesday, but Maddock refused to concede. He replied to one of the many people who pointed out the plane and buses were likely for NCAA basketball teams: “Sure kommie. Good talking point.”

Maddock continued to dig in on Thursday morning. He wrote a new post saying, “We know this is happening” and that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are “pouring into our country.” He added: “Since we can’t trust the #FakeNews to investigate, citizens will. The process of investigating these issues takes time.”

CNN has asked Maddock for comment.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/28/poli...aders-gonzaga-madness-detroit/index.html
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by Clemdawg
For $60 US, the Trump Bible features:

1. The Declaration of Independence
2. The Pledge of Allegiance.
3. Not one, but TWO Corinthians

You thought the trump Bible was bad? Get a load of this. The Chosen One?

Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 10:08 PM
Yep- heard this a month or two ago.

Love how the AI was trained to sound like Paul Harvey, from his "...so God Made a Farmer Farmer" 1978 essay.
There is literally nothing this man or his bunch won't bastardize for his/their shallow, self-serving ends.

Someone asked recently, after seeing him re-hawk 2021 Lee Greenwood bibles, "How low will he go?"
My answer: "His basement has no floor. You look down, there is a tiny reddish-orange spot... and the unmistakable scent of sulfur."
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/29/24 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Fact check: Michigan GOP legislator posted about ‘illegal invaders’ at Detroit airport. It was Gonzaga’s March Madness team

A Republican state representative in Michigan, Rep. Matt Maddock, claimed on social media on Wednesday night that he had photo evidence of “illegal invaders” arriving at Detroit Metro Airport.

One of the two photos Maddock posted on the platform called X, formerly known as Twitter, showed an Allegiant Air plane. The other photo showed three buses. Maddock wrote: “Happening right now. Three busses just loaded up with illegal invaders at Detroit Metro. Anyone have any idea where they’re headed with their police escort?”

Facts First: Maddock’s claim is false. The buses were not for “illegal invaders”; they were for the men’s college basketball teams that landed at the Detroit airport to compete in the NCAA tournament known as March Madness. The only Allegiant Air flight to the airport on Wednesday was a charter flight that carried the team from Gonzaga University, which plays Purdue University on Friday.

“The four men’s basketball teams competing in the NCAA Tournament’s Sweet 16 at Little Caesars Arena arrived at DTW Wednesday evening. The buses seen in a photograph circulating online were transporting the basketball teams and their respective staffs,” the Wayne County Airport Authority, which operates the Detroit Metro Airport, said in an email to CNN on Thursday.

It’s not certain which team took the particular buses shown in Maddock’s photo. But Barrett Henderson, Gonzaga University’s assistant athletic director for communications, confirmed to CNN on Thursday that the team flew on an Allegiant plane, landed at Detroit Metro airport on Wednesday evening in the hour before Maddock’s post, and boarded buses that were waiting at the airport.

An Allegiant spokesperson said Thursday that a charter flight carrying the Gonzaga team from Spokane, Washington, was the only Allegiant flight to the Detroit airport on Wednesday. That is corroborated by an online flight-tracking website.

As for Maddock’s claim about “illegal invaders” getting a police escort? Henderson confirmed that the bus carrying Gonzaga’s players received a police escort to their hotel. Rob Anderson, sports information director at Creighton University, told CNN that their team landed at the airport on Wednesday afternoon, had buses waiting and received a police escort as well.

“I was on one of those buses,” Anderson said.

Maddock triples down

Maddock made his false claim in a month during which false and misleading claims about airplane flights involving migrants have proliferated on the political right.

Hundreds of social media users quickly disputed Maddock’s post on Wednesday, but Maddock refused to concede. He replied to one of the many people who pointed out the plane and buses were likely for NCAA basketball teams: “Sure kommie. Good talking point.”

Maddock continued to dig in on Thursday morning. He wrote a new post saying, “We know this is happening” and that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are “pouring into our country.” He added: “Since we can’t trust the #FakeNews to investigate, citizens will. The process of investigating these issues takes time.”

CNN has asked Maddock for comment.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/28/poli...aders-gonzaga-madness-detroit/index.html


Can you believe that crap. What a moron
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/30/24 04:18 PM
We all know illegal invaders is just another dog whistle created by the right.

They really wish they could say Mexicans or wet backs, but know they can’t be too on the nose with it.

Just like them chalking everything up to DEI hires. We know what they mean.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/30/24 04:28 PM
That's the problem with dog whistles: they have to be obvious enough for ppl with a dog's IQ to get it.
So they're fooling no one.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 03/30/24 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Clemdawg
That's the problem with dog whistles: they have to be obvious enough for ppl with a dog's IQ to get it.
So they're fooling no one.

Except themselves.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/01/24 03:24 PM
In the true spirit of a Christian leader and Bible believer as well as Bible salesman, this message of love, unity and inclusion was sent out by trump to mark the Easter holiday....

Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/01/24 03:28 PM
Wow, all caps to boot.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/01/24 03:38 PM
Yelling at people he hates and calling them names is his favorite form of communication. As we see on this board it can be very infectious.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/02/24 04:15 PM
Conservatives shell long-standing White House Easter egg contest

Several conservative outlets did not "yolk" around this weekend when covering the White House's annual Easter celebrations, accusing it of banning religious themes from the annual children's egg decorating contest — even though that guidance predated the Biden administration, according to the first lady's office.

A flyer circulated by the adjutants general of the National Guard inviting children of National Guard members to submit Easter eggs to the White House contest is the source of the controversy, with outlets like Fox News and The Daily Caller writing stories saying the administration is banning religious themes in this year's contest.

Indeed, this year's flyer does say that the decorated Easter egg submissions "must not include any questionable content, religious symbols, overtly religious themes, or partisan political statements."

But the White House and the American Egg Board have pushed back on the suggestion that the restrictions are new, saying that the rules banning religious symbols have been in place for years.

Emily Metz, president and CEO of the American Egg Board, a group that supports the White House Egg Roll, said in a statement, "The American Egg Board has been a supporter of the White House Easter Egg Roll for over 45 years and the guideline language referenced in recent news reports has consistently applied to the board since its founding, across administrations."

Similarly, the White House emphasized that the guidelines banning religious themes from the eggs have been in place for decades and aren't the result of a new Biden administration policy.

"The American Egg Board flyer’s standard non-discrimination language requesting artwork has been used for the last 45 years, across all Dem & Republican Admins—for all WH Easter Egg Rolls —incl previous Administration’s," the first lady's communications director, Elizabeth Alexander, said in a post on X.

And White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates said it was "unsurprising" that some "are seeking to divide and weaken our country with cruel, hateful, and dishonest rhetoric."

"President Biden will never abuse his faith for political purposes or for profit," Bates added, noting that Biden is "a Christian who celebrates Easter with family."

The Biden administration has also been targeted this Easter holiday for a declaration recognizing Sunday as Transgender Day of Visibility.

President Joe Biden did indeed issue a proclamation acknowledging Transgender Day of Visibility — along with proclamations declaring 11 other holidays, including Cesar Chavez Day and Arab American Heritage Month.

March 31 has been Transgender Day of Visibility every year since 2010, per GLAAD. This year, Easter falls on March 31.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservatives-shell-long-standing-white-182313546.html

Trump's minions say what?
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/02/24 04:53 PM
As long as we don't have a child drawing a cross on an egg on transgender day...
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/02/24 04:57 PM
It's been that way for 45 years. Of course the nasty tried to blame Biden for it.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/03/24 02:27 PM
Trump claims “America will cease to exist” if he isn’t elected. Let’s see how GOPers spin this.

The only thing I noticed that ceases to exist these days is the Republican Party.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/03/24 02:30 PM
Yet it almost ceased to exist in his attempt to overthrow the election.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/03/24 03:17 PM
A man who attended the Charlottesville Unite the Right rallies will lose his city council seat after his past was revealed

Enid, Oklahoma CNN —

When a public official in a small Oklahoma city faced a censure vote that condemned his recent ties to White nationalism, he was saved – at least temporarily – by a Black man.

Several residents in Enid blasted city council commissioner Judd Blevins at a public meeting last fall for participating in the 2017 “Unite the Right” rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, that saw one counter protester killed and dozens injured. They also highlighted offensive comments he was accused of making online under a pseudonym.

Others defended Blevins, saying he had a right to free speech and rejected the censure effort as a political ploy fueled by Enid’s small progressive enclave.

But Derwin Norwood, the only Black commissioner on the city council, made an impassioned plea at the end of the meeting, scolding the community for fighting rather than forgiving. Norwood, who sits next to Blevins at the council meetings, then asked him to stand up, told him he loved him and gave him a hug.

Half the room erupted into cheers and applause. The other half sat in silence – or clapped politely.

“I realized that in forgiving him, I freed myself from becoming what he was or still may be,” Norwood told CNN in an interview last week. “I had to free myself.”

Moments later, the city council agreed to postpone the censure vote, a devastating blow to a local group of activists who’d been sounding the alarm about Blevins’ past.

But the group, the Enid Social Justice Committee, moved forward with its plan to collect enough signatures for a recall petition, eventually forcing a special election this week.

Voters on Tuesday decided to oust Blevins – who has denied being a White nationalist, but has also made confusing statements about his past – in favor of Cheryl Patterson, a different conservative, in a race that’s thrown the city into a deep ideological divide over questions of forgiveness, accountability and US history.

Blevins says he attended rally, denies White nationalism

Enid, located in northern Oklahoma, has a population of about 50,000 and votes overwhelmingly for Republicans. The city is known for its towering grain elevators and is home to Vance Air Force Base.

More than a month before Blevins was elected in February 2023, the local newspaper highlighted a 2019 report by Right Wing Watch, a left-leaning organization that monitors far-right extremism. The report identified Blevins as the Oklahoma recruiter for Identity Evropa, a group that has since disbanded and was described as a White supremacist organization by the Anti-Defamation League.

The article largely went unnoticed, and while two local Democrats tried to confront Blevins about the issue at a candidate event shortly before the election, Blevins still won the race for Ward 1 by 36 votes. A total of 808 votes were cast.

When Blevins took office in May, the small Enid Social Justice Committee developed a more vocal campaign to bring attention to his recent history, holding protests and speaking up at city council meetings. Kristi Balden, chair of the group, said she was horrified when she learned of Blevins’ connections to White nationalist activity.

“It was very, very disturbing and frightening,” she said. “I thought, ‘How is this still happening in this year?’”

Blevins acknowledges he attended the Charlottesville rallies, and he was spotted in multiple videos and photographs. At a candidate forum last week, Blevins said he “felt it was important to protest the removal of statues of American soldiers.”

“It’s important to me,” he said. “It’s our history. It’s our heritage. It’s who we are.”

In 2019, the left-leaning group Unicorn Riot leaked thousands of messages from people involved in the Charlottesville rallies on the chat platform Discord. Among the threads was a user who went by the pseudonym “Conway – OK.” Right Wing Watch later identified the writer as Blevins.

Blevins has publicly implied he was behind the online messages and disavowed them at a city council meeting, but last month at a candidate forum, he also denied using the pseudonym.

Blevins has also denied that he’s ever identified as a White nationalist or White supremacist.

In one message less than a month before the 2017 rallies, Conway wrote positively about Adolf Hitler, saying, “Hitler never would have allowed this sh*t.” Conway also wrote a derogatory statement about a Jewish woman. The contexts of the posts are unclear.

And in one message less than two weeks before the Charlottesville rally, Conway wrote: “I JUST CANT FEEL SAFE IF IM NOT PACKING AN AR WITH A 100 ROUND DRUM AND SPORTING MY SWASTIKA ARMBAND.”

‘I am a different man today’

Blevins, who declined to speak to CNN for this story, vaguely responded to some unearthed moments from his past at a city council meeting on November 7. He cited the importance of First Amendment rights but did not directly address his alleged involvement with Identity Evropa.

“It is important for the American people to advocate for what they believe in,” he said, adding, “If we find ourselves having to make apologies when we exercise these rights, then we don’t have them.”

“I am a different man today than I was yesterday,” he continued. “There is no hate in my heart. All there is is the desire to follow the Lord. But I’m not going to apologize for things I never was.”

Members of Enid Social Justice Committee jeered at his remarks, resulting in a shouting match between one of its members, the mayor, and Blevins. The social justice committee member was ultimately kicked out of the meeting.

Balden said she didn’t believe Blevins’ comments at that meeting were genuine.

“If he really felt that way, he would denounce those organizations by name. If he really felt that way, he would apologize for his involvement in all those activities,” she said.

Blevins’ comments were also not enough to satisfy the city’s conservative mayor and others on the council. Two weeks later, they put the censure resolution on the agenda, saying Blevins’ “failure to explain and apologize” for his participation in Charlottesville “has continued to fester and has caused disruption and discontent among the residents of Enid.”

After another round of fiery public comment at a city meeting on November 21, Blevins again held his ground on speaking freely about one’s values and convictions, but took a slightly more contrite posture, saying he opposed all forms of racial hatred and discrimination.

“All of us have said foolish things in our lives. We’ve said things that we regret, and we have especially said things through the phone that when taken out of context can make you look like a terrible person. I’ve had some of the worst moments of my life put on blast to the world,” he added. “And if I’ve offended anyone in here, then I ask to be forgiven.”

Moments later, Norwood offered that public forgiveness in what became a pivotal moment in the overall debate over Blevins’ past.

Balden described Norwood as a “good” and “forgiving” man but said his embrace of Blevins gave more momentum to the city council member and his supporters.

“I understood why Derwin (Norwood) did that on a personal level,” she said. “It was very frustrating for us, because it felt like it sort of changed the way of what was going on.”

For his part, Norwood, a self-identified moderate Republican, has no regrets. “I felt convicted,” he said. “Up until that moment, I struggled with it, but I forgave him.”

Blevins was also asked extensively about his past by moderators at a candidate forum last week, where he, at times, remained defiant about his personal views.

“I am opposed to all forms of racial hate and racial discrimination,” he said. “But I’m not going to play this game where I take things that the media says are problems from America’s past that are no longer problems today and pretend like they’re serious issues. They’re not.”

Asked specifically about his ties to Identity Evropa, Blevins argued his role as a city council commissioner is not relevant to an organization that has disbanded.

“Now, if speaking out against what was being done to this country, what is continuing… to being done to this country is a crime, then I would gladly plead guilty to that,” he continued, saying he has tried to “push back on this anti-White hatred that is so common in media and entertainment.”
‘A wound with a Band-Aid being ripped off’

In the week leading up to Tuesday’s vote, Blevins’ critics went door-to-door in his district, pointing voters to his history and asking them to vote for Patterson, a longtime conservative.

Norwood, speaking to CNN months after his public embrace of Blevins and just ahead of Tuesday’s vote, was also in the audience at the candidate forum last week and felt Blevins didn’t do himself any favors.

He said the election was in the hands of the voters, and he’s tried not to weigh in with his opinions too much.

“If Ms. Cheryl Patterson wins it, I believe there’d be a healing process,” he said earlier. “But if Blevins stays on the council and Ward 1 votes him in, it’s going to be like a wound with a Band-Aid being ripped off.”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/us/e...lection-charlottesville-rally/index.html

Things certainly are getting better. I mean when given the choice of another conservative to vote for this guy only got 40% of the vote. 6 out of 10 refused to endorse a white supremacist.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/03/24 05:55 PM
Supreme Court rejects appeal by former New Mexico county commissioner banned for Jan. 6 insurrection

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday rejected an appeal from a former New Mexico county commissioner who was kicked out of office over his participation in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

Former Otero County commissioner Couy Griffin, a cowboy pastor who rode to national political fame by embracing then-President Donald Trump with a series of horseback caravans, is the only elected official thus far to be banned from office in connection with the Capitol attack, which disrupted Congress as it was trying to certify Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory over Trump.

At a 2022 trial in state district court, Griffin received the first disqualification from office in over a century under a provision of the 14th Amendment written to prevent former Confederates from serving in government after the Civil War.

Though the Supreme Court ruled this month that states don’t have the ability to bar Trump or other candidates for federal offices from the ballot, the justices said different rules apply to state and local candidates.

“We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office,” the justices wrote in an unsigned opinion.

The outcome of Griffin’s case could bolster efforts to hold other state and local elected officials accountable for their involvement in the Jan. 6 attack.

Griffin, a Republican, was convicted separately in federal court of entering a restricted area on the Capitol grounds on Jan. 6 and received a 14-day prison sentence. The sentence was offset by time served after his arrest in Washington, where he had returned to protest Biden’s 2021 inauguration. That conviction is under appeal.

Griffin contends that he entered the Capitol grounds on Jan. 6 without recognizing that it had been designated as a restricted area and that he attempted to lead a crowd in prayer using a bullhorn, without engaging in violence.

The recent ruling in the Trump case shut down a push in dozens of states to end Trump’s Republican candidacy for president over claims he helped instigate the insurrection to try to prevent Biden, a Democrat, from replacing him in the White House in 2020.

The accusations of insurrection against Griffin were filed on behalf of three New Mexico residents by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a left-leaning group that also brought the lawsuit in Colorado to disqualify Trump.

CREW has outlined the case for investigating several current state legislators who went to Washington on Jan. 6.

In Griffin’s 2022 trial in state district court, New Mexico Judge Francis Mathew recognized the Jan. 6 attack as an insurrection and ruled that Griffin aided that insurrection, without engaging in violence, contributing to a delay in Congress’ election certification proceedings.

Griffin’s appeal of the disqualification asserted that only Congress, and not a state court, has the power to enforce the anti-insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment by legislation, and it urged the Supreme Court to rule on whether the events on Jan. 6 constituted an “insurrection” as defined in the Constitution.

It also invoked Griffin’s rights to free speech protections.

“If the decision ... is to stand, at least in New Mexico, it is now the crime of insurrection to gather people to pray together for the United States of America on the unmarked restricted grounds of the Capitol building,” Florida-based defense attorney Peter Ticktin argued on behalf of Griffin in court filings.

At trial, Mathew, the judge, called Griffin’s free-speech arguments self-serving and not credible, noting that the then-commissioner spread lies about the 2020 election being stolen from Trump in a series of speeches at rallies during a cross-country journey starting in New Mexico, calling on crowds to go with him to Washington on Jan. 6 and join the “war” over the presidential election results.

Mathew said recordings by a videographer accompanying Griffin outside the U.S. Capitol showed that the county commissioner “incited the mob, even after seeing members of the mob a short distance away attack police officers and violently try to break into the Capitol building.”

The New Mexico Supreme Court later refused to hear the case after Griffin missed procedural deadlines.

Griffin on Monday said the Supreme Court took “the coward’s way out” in dismissing his appeal without comment, calling it “the greatest attack on our democracy to date.”

“When civil courtrooms can remove elected officials, it sets a very dangerous precedent,” Griffin said. “Personally, I’m very disappointed and equally concerned about the future of our political system.”

On the third anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack this year, Griffin cast himself as the victim of political persecution as he spoke to a gathering in the rural community of Gillette, Wyoming, at the invitation of a county Republican Party.

Their go to line to excuse criminal acts.

“God is really allowing me to experience some amazing days,” Griffin said. “Jan. 6 was a day like no other. It was a day where a type of patriotism was expressed that I’d never seen before, and I was honored to be there.”

Committing such crimes are only patriotic to the criminals that committed them.

In 2019, Griffin forged a group of rodeo acquaintances into the promotional group called Cowboys for Trump, which staged horseback parades to support Trump’s conservative message about gun rights, immigration controls and abortion restrictions.

While still a county commissioner, Griffin joined with Republican colleagues in refusing to certify results of the June 2022 primary election based on distrust of the voting systems used to tally the vote, even though the county’s election official said there were no problems. The board ultimately certified the election on a 2-1 vote with Griffin still voting no based on a “gut feeling.”

Griffin withstood a recall petition drive in 2021. After his disqualification from office, Griffin was tried and acquitted by a jury in his home county in March 2023 of allegations that he declined to register and disclose donors to Cowboys for Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-...-mexico-cc69572ec4a4404c69947d7d91b3960a
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/03/24 06:19 PM
Wisconsin Supreme Court refuses to clarify district boundaries for potential recall election

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Wednesday refused to offer clarity on what legislative district boundary lines should be in play for a potential recall election sought by supporters of former President Donald Trump targeting the Republican Assembly speaker.

The effort to recall Speaker Robin Vos appears to have not gathered enough valid signatures to force an election. But the Wisconsin Elections Commission had asked the Supreme Court to clarify what maps should be used for any recall or special election that takes place before November, when new maps take effect.

The court, in a unanimous order, noted that in December it had ruled that the legislative maps then in place were unconstitutional and barred their future use. In February, Democratic Gov. Tony Evers signed into law maps he proposed that the Republican-controlled Legislature passed.

Those are the maps take effect in November. The court’s order leaves open the question of what maps are in effect for any election before November.

“We decline to further clarify or amend the opinion and order,” the court said, referring to its December ruling.

It is the Wisconsin Elections Commission, not the Supreme Court, that has the responsibility to administer elections, the court said.

The next move will be up to the commission, which faces an April 11 deadline to determine whether the recall petition had sufficient signatures to trigger an election. Its decision can be appealed in court.

Commission spokesperson Riley Vetterkind had no comment on the court’s order.

The commission, based on its initial cursory review, determined there were not enough valid signatures collected from residents of the district Vos was elected to represent. But Vos’ district lines are changing under legislative maps that take effect in November.

Vos is being targeted for recall because he refused to impeach the state’s top elections official or proceed with attempting to decertify President Joe Biden’s 2020 victory in Wisconsin. His actions angered Trump, who accused Vos of covering up election corruption, while Trump’s followers mounted an unsuccessful primary challenge in 2022 and are now trying to force a recall election.

rolleyes

Vos, who challenged the validity of thousands of signatures and declared the effort failed no matter what district lines are used, has derided those targeting him as “whack jobs and morons.”

Recall organizers, recognizing that their initial effort was likely short of the needed signatures, launched a second recall effort last week.

Vos is the most powerful Republican in the GOP-led Legislature. He was first elected in 2004 and is the longest-serving Assembly speaker in state history, holding the post since 2013.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-assembly-speaker-vos-recall-fccb718adcf992f1f5e101357b94411c

So since he didn't try to help overthrow the election results......
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/04/24 03:42 PM
New York man charged with sending threats to state attorney general and judge in Trump civil suit

NEW YORK (AP) — A New York man has been charged with sending death threats to the state attorney general and the Manhattan judge who presided over former President Donald Trump’s civil fraud case.

Tyler Vogel, 26, of Lancaster, sent text messages late last month threatening New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron with “death and physical harm” if they did not comply with his demands to “cease action” in the Trump case, according to a complaint filed last week in a court in Lancaster, a suburb east of Buffalo.

State police said in the complaint that Vogel used a paid online background website to obtain private information about James and Engoron and that this “confirmed intentions to follow through with the threats were his demands not met.”

Vogel has been charged with two felony counts of making a terroristic threat and two misdemeanor counts of aggravated harassment.

Erie County District Attorney John Flynn’s office said in a news release that a temporary protection order was also issued. If convicted, Vogel faces a maximum of seven years in prison, the office said.

It’s unclear if Vogel has legal representation. Joseph Spino, a spokesperson for Flynn’s office, said Wednesday night that he didn’t have more details, other than that Vogel had been held pending the results of a forensic exam and was due back in court April 9.

The case also wasn’t listed on the state’s online court database and spokespersons for the state police and Lancaster Town Court, where Vogel was arraigned last week, didn’t respond to emails.

Meanwhile Trump, who is running again for president this year, posted a $175 million bond Monday in the civil fraud case brought by James’ office. That halted the collection of the more than $454 million he owes and prevented the state from seizing his assets to satisfy the debt while he appeals.

Trump is fighting to overturn Engoron’s Feb. 16 finding that he lied about his wealth as he fostered the real estate empire that launched him to stardom and the presidency. The trial focused on how Trump’s assets were valued on financial statements that went to bankers and insurers to get loans and deals.

Spokespersons for James’ office didn’t respond to an email seeking comment Wednesday.

https://apnews.com/article/new-york...engoron-cb11fd3471c5f1e7c7694a8e21ca5046
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/04/24 10:22 PM
Not for nothing Pit, but I think I heard on the radio while I was driving today that there is a problem or potential problem with Trumps bond for $175 Million. I didn't get to hear the entire thing but something to do with who he used as the Bond agent not being qualified.

Hell I'm not ever sure what station or network I was listening to, but there appears to be a problem.
Posted By: Jester Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/04/24 10:30 PM
Didn't read the article but this is what I found


Reuters
Trump's $175 million bond questioned by New York AG, hearing scheduled
Jack Queen
Thu, April 4, 2024 at 4:49 PM EDT·2 min read
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NEW YORK (Reuters) -A New York judge will hold a hearing on April 22 over the $175 million bond Donald Trump posted as he appeals a $454 million fraud judgment against him, the state attorney general's office said on Thursday, after asking for more details about the bond.

The Republican presidential candidate narrowly averted possible asset seizures when an appeals court on March 25 agreed to pause the judgment if he posted a $175 million bond within 10 days, which he did on April 1.

New York Attorney General Letitia James' office said on Thursday that Trump must offer proof that the surety company he used to post the bond, Knight Specialty Insurance Company, has enough assets to pay if his appeal fails.

The move does not necessarily imperil Trump's bond but will likely require California-based Knight to show that it can cover the bond.

The questions about the bond arose shortly after judges on Thursday spurned Trump's efforts to dismiss criminal charges over his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss in Georgia and his handling of classified records after leaving office.

The April 22 hearing will take place a week after Trump's criminal trial on charges stemming from hush money paid to a porn star kicks off in New York, one of four indictments he faces as he campaigns to challenge Democratic President Joe Biden in the Nov. 5 election.

Trump has pleaded not guilty in all criminal cases. The fourth in Washington also stems from his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

The judge overseeing the New York civil case, Arthur Engoron, ordered Trump to pay the $454 million in penalties and interest in February, after finding him liable for overstating his net worth and the values of his real estate holdings to dupe lenders and insurers.

Trump denies wrongdoing and is appealing Engoron's decision.

Trump's lawyer Chris Kise said in a statement that the questions about the bond were baseless.

Knight owner Don Hankey and the company's president, Amit Shah, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Knight has $539 million in assets, including $26.8 million in cash, it said in a court filing.



https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/04/24 10:41 PM
The bond company is not approved in NY, so they'll have to prove liquidity and solvency.

Maybe other things that Queen Letitia deems necessary.

Or maybe NY will just rewrite some new laws so the bond doesn't work at all.

Only the Magic Eight Ball knows for sure.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
The bond company is not approved in NY, so they'll have to prove liquidity and solvency.

Maybe other things that Queen Letitia deems necessary.

Or maybe NY will just rewrite some new laws so the bond doesn't work at all.

Only the Magic Eight Ball knows for sure.

Queen Latitia? Must be a feeble attempt at a racial slur.

Answer this: Your the DA. You must make sure that a bond is legit before you accept it. Otherwise, what good is it?

So what do you do? Let it slide or ask for proof they have the goods?
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 12:18 PM
Yes, that's what I was talking about. All she wants to know is if they have the money or assets to back the bond.

I promise you this, if it comes down to it that Trump doesn't win his appeal and Knight Specialty insurance has to pay up and can't, James will come under attack. I don't blame her for looking under the hood.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
Originally Posted by FATE
The bond company is not approved in NY, so they'll have to prove liquidity and solvency.

Maybe other things that Queen Letitia deems necessary.

Or maybe NY will just rewrite some new laws so the bond doesn't work at all.

Only the Magic Eight Ball knows for sure.

Queen Latitia? Must be a feeble attempt at a racial slur.

Answer this: Your the DA. You must make sure that a bond is legit before you accept it. Otherwise, what good is it?

So what do you do? Let it slide or ask for proof they have the goods?

A racial slur?? rofl Actually, you're the one that just made it racial. willynilly


You want me to go through the reasoning process of someone who ran for office on the premise of "Get TRUMP!!" ?

Here's the thought process: "That $@#$ son of a ^%##!! Is there anything left that we can do??"
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 01:53 PM
So in other words trump shouldn’t have to pay a dime for the crimes he’s been charged and convicted of. Got it. The judge is corrupt. notallthere
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 01:57 PM
Yeah.

That's what I said.

In other words, an octopus has three hearts.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 02:02 PM
GOPers certainly aren’t octopi.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 02:06 PM
You got me.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
The bond company is not approved in NY, so they'll have to prove liquidity and solvency.

Maybe other things that Queen Letitia deems necessary.

Or maybe NY will just rewrite some new laws so the bond doesn't work at all.

Only the Magic Eight Ball knows for sure.

Yes, now in America if a prosecutor tries a suspect for breaking the law or for the people posting the bond to live up to the legal standards they are called "Queen". The excuses for the criminal running for president for the republican party knows no bounds. It's all the Queen's fault because trump is now facing accountability under the legal standards in the state of New York.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 05:54 PM
Where did $1.8 billion go? A South Carolina senator says the state treasurer breached public trust

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — A South Carolina senator said the elected state treasurer has breached the public trust after lawmakers didn’t get much clarity Tuesday about how $1.8 billion moved through a state bank account over the past decade — without anyone knowing where it came from or was supposed to go.

For six hours, Republican Treasurer Curtis Loftis answered questions, sometimes yelling at senators, and other times saying he didn’t have the answers. He told the chamber he wasn’t given information he requested to try to untangle the mess that started as the state shifted accounting systems in the mid-2010s.

But he left before Republican Sen. Larry Grooms summed up the day by saying, “Apparently Mr. Loftis has lost control of the state treasury,” and the General Assembly can’t rely on him to solve the problems he created.

“Mr. Loftis has abrogated his responsibility as a state treasurer. He has breached the public trust,” said Grooms, a powerful Republican elected in 1997.

Accountants are still trying to untangle the $1.8 billion mess, but it appears that every time the state’s books were out of whack, money was shifted from somewhere into an account that helped balance it out, state Senate leaders have said. In a different problem, the state was double-counting higher education money to the tune of almost $4 billion.

Comptroller General Brian Gaines, who took over for the elected Republican director after he resigned when the accounting errors started to emerge last year, opened the meeting speaking for about 10 minutes. He promised to continue to help senators in any way to unravel the mess and said the account in question where the $1.8 billion went was created by the treasurer’s office.

Loftis followed, telling the senators repeatedly that it isn’t his responsibility to balance the books and that he can’t get any information out of the comptroller general’s office.

Loftis asked for more time to find answers and then yelled at senators for suggesting he wasn’t telling the truth. He argued against the chair’s claim that there were identical reports with the same numbers and begged the Democrats on the subcommittee to come to his rescue.

“I have no power here,” Loftis said. “All I’ve had is six or seven hours of ‘Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.’”

Grooms said lawmakers are still trying to figure out the scope of the problems. He suggested the state’s accounts were out of balance in the negative when the past fiscal year ended — and billions of dollars of mistakes have been made both for and against the state’s favor.

Loftis angrily denied that, pounding the lectern and saying he was being ganged up on.

“Senators, I’m at a bit of a disadvantage. Six people can ask me any question about the last 14 years,” he said.

At one point, Loftis insisted his report was right and the Senate’s report, which lawmakers said had identical numbers, was wrong.

“Senator from Colleton, I submit the treasurer might have trouble with addition,” Grooms told a colleague.

Loftis said that his job is to be the state’s banker and investment chief and that the comptroller general reconciles the books. Loftis said the comptroller general also refused to share key information, an allegation the other agency denies.

“If we weren’t arguing, we could solve this problem. I’ve been given the responsibility without the authority,” Loftis said.

There were some hints of new information at the meeting.

Senators perked up when Loftis briefly suggested there might be a criminal investigation into the money, which Loftis quickly shot down, saying they misunderstood him.

The $1.8 billion may not be sitting around waiting to be spent on things like teacher salaries or prison improvements, and could actually end up taking cash from those things.

Republican Sen. Stephen Goldfinch said there are indications the money may belong to other entities, such as the state Department of Transportation, the federal government or an environmental trust fund. If the money is accounted for, the state may have to pay back the interest it earned investing the $1.8 billion.

And Loftis said the money doesn’t remain in one account since the investments are pulled from multiple other places.

Grooms said the investigation into the problems continue. He wouldn’t say at this time whether he might suggest impeachment or some other legislative remedy.

Under law, Loftis said his agency is the one tasked with untangling the accounts and figuring out where the $1.8 billion was supposed to go.

That power needs to be taken from the Treasurer’s Office as soon as possible and perhaps put into the hands of forensic accounts, Grooms said.

“He began to lose control in 2016 and he has not done a darn thing to try and correct those unresolved errors,” Grooms said.

https://apnews.com/article/south-ca...troller-b1a3de2ff842bf1a9c9edc75c36b9d5e
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 06:02 PM
Another Karen was #triggered......

Chinese signatures on graduation certificates upset northern Virginia police chief

FAIRFAX, Va. (AP) — A northern Virginia town has been excluded from a countywide police training academy after the town’s chief complained about Chinese signatures on trainees’ graduation certificates.

Herndon Police Chief Maggie DeBoard complained that the academy director, Maj. Wilson Lee, used Chinese characters to sign the certificates that graduates receive when they complete training at the Fairfax County Criminal Justice Academy.

In an email sent last month and obtained by The Associated Press, DeBoard told Lee, “I just found out that the academy graduation certificates were signed by you in some other language, not in English. This is unacceptable for my agency. I don’t want our Herndon officers to receive these and I am requesting that they are issued certificates signed in English, the language that they are expected to use as an officer.”

rolleyes

On March 18, the county’s deputy executive for safety and security, Thomas Arnold, wrote to DeBoard informing her that the county was terminating Herndon’s affiliation with the academy.

In a statement, Herndon Town Manager Bill Ashton said the town is reviewing the incident.

He defended DeBoard. “It is unfortunate that Chief DeBoard’s recent interaction with Fairfax County’s Criminal Justice Academy has been viewed as discriminatory. I have personally known Chief DeBoard for over 12 years and this interaction is completely inconsistent with the dedicated public servant that I know,” Ashton said.

The Town of Herndon is a part of Fairfax County, just outside the nation’s capital, but the town maintains its own police force. The much larger Fairfax County Police Department is the primary user of the academy, which also serves the town of Vienna, the county sheriff’s office and the county fire marshal.

Fairfax County Police Chief Kevin Davis declined to comment on the dispute. But in an email he sent to officers, he defended Lee, saying. “For 16 years of an impeccable career, memorializing a legal name given at birth with a signature that exudes heritage pride has not garnered a single criticism. Nor should it.”

Last year, a former Herndon police officer sued the town in federal court, saying she suffered sexual harassment and discrimination at the hands of a supervisor. The lawsuit accused DeBoard of failing to stop the harassment even though she was aware of it.

The lawsuit was eventually settled before trial, but court papers indicate that other officers complained of racial discrimination during the time DeBoard has been chief.

In the court papers, the town said DeBoard took the female officer’s concerns seriously and that she would have recommended firing the officer accused of harassment, but he resigned before she could do so. Lawyers for the town said the complaints of racial discrimination were made by officers who faced disciplinary action.

Herndon Police referred questions Wednesday to the statement issued by the town manager.

https://apnews.com/article/chinese-...ificate-03069737acd18a56dd281862645b0b0a
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 07:50 PM
May as well put this here, I'm sure republicans will get blamed...


Biden just gave a great speech in Baltimore. Something you can really rally around. Impassioned, emotional, decisive. He sounded like a president -- and mostly non-partisan -- the only exception being a comment on Congress in regards to "paying the bill".

Then of course, once complete, CNN seizes the moment with "pressure on Congress to pick up the tab" comments.


My question (prediction first)...

This will become a political stunt. Why would we need an act of Congress to fix a bridge when we have an infrastructure bill with ONE HALF TRILLION still in the fund?

Anyone who questioned this bill at the time was met with someone screaming "the bridges, the bridges!!", but now we can't use any part of the HALF TRILLION DOLLARS to fix a bridge in the water??

Pleeeease tell me what I'm missing here?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 07:55 PM
Since you provided no link and no details that would be very had to answer. My initial guess is that the infrastructure bill does not provide or qualify for emergency funding.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 08:13 PM
There's really no link. I've just heard language repeated since the accident. Biden has basically repeated things like paying for it in full with no hitches, and language like: "and I better not get any grief".

As to your second statement, that's a good guess, and probably true.

I imagine somewhere in those 2700+ pages is a statement such as "there will be no spending on disasters, in situations where this money is needed the most urgently because of a catastrophe event, we will need to bypass this funding in order to make a mockery of ourselves and the taxpayers that fund our stupid political games". It won't be worded quite like that -- but it should be.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 08:14 PM
You're actually not missing anything. In fact, you're 100% correct.

You're hitting on something that is a near every-day frustration for me, and that is Congressional appropriations. The authorization and appropriations process needs to be overhauled massively 1) because it's inefficient and 2) the way it is put into place allows for widespread corruption (see Bob Menendez).

If spending on the Baltimore bridge wasn't an authorized/appropriated expenditure, then Congress would have to specifically pass a measure to account for it. If some contracting officer out there signed a contract to repair the bridge without those funds being contemplated, then it would primarily be a misappropriation of funds violation, and then if it was found there were no funds even available for that purpose, it would fall back into an Anti-Deficiency Act violation, which is even worse. When that happens, your name ends up on a list before both Houses of Congress and the President as being a schmuck basically, in a letter written by the head of your agency/department. If it was found that you did so intentionally, you're looking at big fines and jail time.

It's actually quite asinine how crazy it gets. Go check out the 2021 fiscal year ADA violations:

https://www.gao.gov/products/b-333630

I'm pretty sure there was one dude on there who got suspended from his job and written up before Congress and the President because he voluntarily uploaded a document during a shutdown. Since no funding was appropriated to pay his salary, he committed an ADA violation to the tune of like $12 for his time spent uploading a document. I shudder to think how many resources were spent investigating and writing the report that documented his $12 violation.

You can't make this stuff up, my friend.

Edit ~ I looked it up:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/730/720129.pdf Page 4. USDA. Violation was $11.03. There's another, similar one on there for a violation of $79.70. Sent emails during a shutdown. Page 3.

Your tax dollars at work.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
If spending on the Baltimore bridge wasn't an authorized/appropriated expenditure, then Congress would have to specifically pass a measure to account for it. If some contracting officer out there signed a contract to repair the bridge without those funds being contemplated, then it would primarily be a misappropriation of funds violation, and then if it was found there were no funds even available for that purpose, it would fall back into an Anti-Deficiency Act violation, which is even worse. When that happens, your name ends up on a list before both Houses of Congress and the President as being a schmuck basically, in a letter written by the head of your agency/department. If it was found that you did so intentionally, you're looking at big fines and jail time.

It's actually quite asinine how crazy it gets. Go check out the 2021 fiscal year ADA violations:

https://www.gao.gov/products/b-333630

I see it sort of a catch 22. People one one hand insist that every dollar proposed in a plan be earmarked for what it is to be spent on in the name of transparency. That it be shown where it is allocated, where it will be spent as well as what it can and can not be spent on. So in order to accomplish that it must be spelled out in detail. On the other hand when such an emergency as this arises people seem upset that they can't divert the funds in another direction. My guess is if it hadn't been spelled out in detail how, where and when every dollar was to be spent the infrastructure bill would never have been passed in the first place.

I'm not actually disagreeing that it SHOULD have been written in a manner that addresses its use on an emergency basis. But I do understand why things turned out that way. A family budget can be changed and priorities moved around based on the current circumstances. Once a bill gets written and the funds are appropriated to specific projects and methods it simply doesn't work that way.

Actually I think Fate fits this description perfectly. I believe he would have been just as upset if not more so had an infrastructure bill had been passed that didn't specify where every dollar was to be spent as he is now that those funds can't be diverted from how the bill reads they must be spent.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 08:36 PM
It's berserk.

Now that I'm digging, I see that Biden-Harris Administration Announces $60 Million for Emergency Work... Baltimore. These are ‘Quick Release’ Emergency Relief funds, and it seems there is about 110B available in the fund. Seems like if there was a single iota of common sense, this could be handled with an audible "yea" or "nay" and be wrapped up in under 60 seconds. From this fund ~or~ the infrastructure fund.


It pisses me off that any: corporation, household, church, non-profit, tribe, family, or school of fish would see the bridge fall, absorb the shock and gravity of the situation, and then breath a troubled sigh of relief thinking: "thank God we have that infrastructure fund".

Instead, we fight.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by dawglover05
If spending on the Baltimore bridge wasn't an authorized/appropriated expenditure, then Congress would have to specifically pass a measure to account for it. If some contracting officer out there signed a contract to repair the bridge without those funds being contemplated, then it would primarily be a misappropriation of funds violation, and then if it was found there were no funds even available for that purpose, it would fall back into an Anti-Deficiency Act violation, which is even worse. When that happens, your name ends up on a list before both Houses of Congress and the President as being a schmuck basically, in a letter written by the head of your agency/department. If it was found that you did so intentionally, you're looking at big fines and jail time.

It's actually quite asinine how crazy it gets. Go check out the 2021 fiscal year ADA violations:

https://www.gao.gov/products/b-333630

I see it sort of a catch 22. People one one hand insist that every dollar proposed in a plan be earmarked for what it is to be spent on in the name of transparency. That it be shown where it is allocated, where it will be spent as well as what it can and can not be spent on. So in order to accomplish that it must be spelled out in detail. On the other hand when such an emergency as this arises people seem upset that they can't divert the funds in another direction. My guess is if it hadn't been spelled out in detail how, where and when every dollar was to be spent the infrastructure bill would never have been passed in the first place.

I'm not actually disagreeing that it SHOULD have been written in a manner that addresses its use on an emergency basis. But I do understand why things turned out that way. A family budget can be changed and priorities moved around based on the current circumstances. Once a bill gets written and the funds are appropriated to specific projects and methods it simply doesn't work that way.

Actually I think Fate fits this description perfectly. I believe he would have been just as upset if not more so had an infrastructure bill had been passed that didn't specify where every dollar was to be spent as he is now that those funds can't be diverted from how the bill reads they must be spent.

That's rather disingenuous, but just so you know, I'm not going to argue about it.

You say I would be upset about a bill that didn't earmark every dollar when this very bill was passed without earmarking a single dollar. And I haven't said a word, complained, nor do I have a problem with that fact. It's a fund. All any city needs to do is apply for funding.

This is how the application should read for Baltimore:

Our bridge fell.
We need cash.
Fast.

Signed: everyone
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Damanshot
Originally Posted by FATE
The bond company is not approved in NY, so they'll have to prove liquidity and solvency.

Maybe other things that Queen Letitia deems necessary.

Or maybe NY will just rewrite some new laws so the bond doesn't work at all.

Only the Magic Eight Ball knows for sure.

Queen Latitia? Must be a feeble attempt at a racial slur.

Answer this: Your the DA. You must make sure that a bond is legit before you accept it. Otherwise, what good is it?

So what do you do? Let it slide or ask for proof they have the goods?

A racial slur?? rofl Actually, you're the one that just made it racial. willynilly


You want me to go through the reasoning process of someone who ran for office on the premise of "Get TRUMP!!" ?

Here's the thought process: "That $@#$ son of a ^%##!! Is there anything left that we can do??"

Thank you once again for proving me right. If republicans are doing it and get called out, they say it was what someone else what doing.

SO, according to you, her job isn't to insure the bond is real? Got it.

I bet that if the name Trump wasn't the sticking point, you would agree, that's her job and she should do it.


Your argument is weak and childish.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 09:07 PM
Thanks for the update. All you libs are really good at predicting what I would or wouldn't do or say in some imaginary scenario. Matches the rest of your fantasies that you pass as facts.

I'm just glad you responded now and not some time in late July.

Have a nice day.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 11:20 PM


What an idiot.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 11:26 PM
rofl

I wonder if God knows that scientists have known the date of this eclipse for close to a century?

Shhhh 🤫
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/05/24 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


What an idiot.

How did she get elected?
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/06/24 04:08 AM
Quote
How did she get elected?

A: She has 2 more functioning brain cells than the constituency that voted for her.
That's where we are, right now, politics-wise.

S# is dire- and dangerous.

This bleached-blonde brick-brained bimbo is currently one of the most influential members of the House of Representatives' Red caucus.
That should send a shiver down the spine of every sane Human Being who calls him/herself an American citizen, regardless of partisan affiliation.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/06/24 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie


What an idiot.

How did she get elected?

By people who think just like the poster who called her an idiot.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/06/24 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Our bridge fell.
We need cash.
Fast.

Signed: everyone

Then there should be no problem with congress agreeing to fund it. Where's the fight?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/06/24 05:56 PM
And here we go. Right on cue. Let's negotiate rebuilding the bridge......

Biden Calls on Congress to Fund Baltimore Bridge Recovery—But There’s Already Resistance

President Joe Biden on Friday called on Congress to fund the entire cost of rebuilding the Baltimore bridge that collapsed last week when a colossal cargo ship collided with it, killing six construction workers and suspending shipping activity in the port.

“Everyone including Congress should be asking only one question… How can we help?” Biden said during his visit to the site with the remains of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in the background. “I fully intend to have the federal government cover the cost of building this entire bridge,” Biden continued. “All of it. All of it… I call on Congress to authorize this effort as soon as possible.”

As pressure mounts to reopen the port, federal officials reportedly have estimated it could cost more than $2 billion. Some Republicans have rebuffed Biden’s promise to pay the entire bridge cost with federal dollars, demanding that any funding be fully offset with spending cuts.

"It was kind of outrageous immediately for Biden to express in this tragedy the idea that he’s going to use federal funds to pay for the entirety," Rep. Dan Meuser, a Pennsylvania Republican, told Fox Business on Thursday. "This is a crisis situation, but it needs a plan, not a knee-jerk spend reaction."

Federal and state officials have warned that the port’s closure at one the nation’s main shipping channels could have a major impact on the regional economy, with thousands of jobs in flux as the government works to clear the wreckage and restore traffic. The Biden Administration already allocated $60 million in emergency relief funds last week to help rebuild the bridge and provided additional funding for harbor cleanup and low-interest disaster loans to affected businesses.

The federal response to the collapse is quickly becoming a critical test for Biden, who has championed infrastructure improvements as a cornerstone of his presidency and aims to convince voters ahead of the November election that he’s the best equipped to address infrastructure challenges. Some Republicans have blamed Biden’s infrastructure policies for not providing enough money to restore old bridges, though initial investigations suggest the Baltimore bridge was fully up to code.

The conservative House Freedom Caucus on Friday demanded that the Biden Administration lift its pause on approvals for natural gas export projects and waive regulations like the Endangered Species Act in exchange for funding the bridge recovery efforts, while Meuser suggested that Biden pull funds from his electric vehicle deployment program that Congress passed.

During his Friday visit, Biden surveyed the wreckage and was scheduled to meet with family members of the six construction workers who died in the March 26 accident. “Our hearts are still breaking,” Biden said, sharing that one of the victims—Carlos, 24—was waiting for cement to dry when the ship struck. “Most are immigrants but all are Marylanders—hard working, strong, and selfless.”

“I've come here to grieve with you,” Biden added. “I know a little bit about what it's like to lose…to get that phone call in the middle of the night to say a family member’s gone. I've been there.” Biden previously lost his wife and young daughter in a car crash and later lost his son to brain cancer.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said during Biden’s visit that it plans to open a limited access channel in the Patapsco River by the end of April that should open the port to vessels carrying automobiles and farm equipment, with the entire shipping channel expected to reopen by the end of May.

The port plays a pivotal role in vehicle shipping and employs over 15,000 workers, with ripple effects expected to be felt in neighboring states like Pennsylvania. Biden called on companies that rely on the port to commit to keeping employees on their payrolls as the port reopens. Some 850,000 vehicles go through the port annually and more than 30,000 vehicles cross the bridge daily. “We’re going to move heaven and earth to rebuild this bridge as rapidly as humanly possible,” Biden said. “And we’re going to do so with union labor and American steel.”

Federal investigators are still searching for answers about how a 985-foot-long cargo vessel struck a major bridge. The operators of the ship issued a mayday call moments before the crash saying the vessel had lost power. Attorneys for the companies that own and manage the ship have asked a judge in federal court to excuse them from any liability for the disaster or cap damages at $43 million.

https://time.com/6964100/joe-biden-baltimore-visit-bridge-recovery-congress/
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/06/24 06:49 PM
Sounds like a lot of sour grapes from a once sane poster, losing his ish over actual justice being served to a traitorous idiot. Jail him now! The traitorous idiot of course.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 12:17 PM
This is stupid. This bridge and waterway is a vital cog in commerce. It's collapse and blockage will cause untold damage to everyone regardless of your party.

Get the bridge fixed, sort it out later. Seems like republicans want to cut off their noses to spite their own faces. Are they doing this because Baltimore is a more democratic stronghold? Would they act this way if it was Dallas or Tampa or New Orleans?

Or as the article indicates, is this an attempt to damage the Biden Presidency? It's AMERICANS that are hurt by this. ALL Americans. Stop the Bickering and get the job done.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
This is stupid. This bridge and waterway is a vital cog in commerce. It's collapse and blockage will cause untold damage to everyone regardless of your party.

Quick question. Republicans refused to pass the immigration bill. Trump told them to do that and some of them even said the truth out loud. They asked why they should do anything that would help Biden during an election year? What causes you to think this would be any different?

This may be a little harder for them to refuse to do but as you can see some of them are already coming up with ways to avoid it.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Damanshot
This is stupid. This bridge and waterway is a vital cog in commerce. It's collapse and blockage will cause untold damage to everyone regardless of your party.

Quick question. Republicans refused to pass the immigration bill. Trump told them to do that and some of them even said the truth out loud. They asked why they should do anything that would help Biden during an election year? What causes you to think this would be any different?

This may be a little harder for them to refuse to do but as you can see some of them are already coming up with ways to avoid it.

I would use Gov't money, probably from an emergency fund or the infrastructure bill to clear the debris, so that shipping can continue. I would get the shipping open in the next couple months.
I would also quickly look at the federal/state mandates for what kind of shipping should be going through that channel and then start on the construction documents.
I would also start looking into the companies ability to pay for reconstruction, what insurance they had and to see if this requires litigation for them to pay for this damage. This should not all be on the gov't with no means of recourse.

As for rebuilding the bridge, I would start on the construction docs now-I would guess that a rebuild of this size is probably about 2 1/2 to 4 years. If the company goes bankrupt or is unwilling to pay or wants to drag it out in courts, I would take appropriate action against them and then we will have to use state/federal monies or delay the bridge and vehicle access across.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 04:08 PM
That all sounds like a good game plan moving forward. But there are a couple of flies in the ointment. A president can't approve money to rebuild the bridge. Only congress can. There is an emergency fund that can be used to pay for it. The infrastructure bill has already been passed and all the money has been allocated as to where that money is earmarked. So the choice is either to use the emergency fund or rewrite the infrastructure bill. One certainly seems more plausible than the other. Now the job is to get congress to move quickly to resolve the issue. I think the only solution is to move quickly with federal money to get the thing started and go after the company to recuperate every dollar they have to reimburse the federal government.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 04:41 PM
Anonymous users are dominating right-wing discussions online. They also spread false information

https://apnews.com/article/misinfor...lection-8a6b0f8d727734200902d96a59b84bf7
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 04:53 PM
Pit,
To get my point thru, I would use emergency money/infrastructure money to clear the debris so that the shipping can restart-whatever is possible.
I would then see what monies are available to start construction docs as the gov't starts to recoup the money against the shippers insurance.

As for rebuilding the bridge, yes that would have to be funded at some level. I don't know how much is in state/federal emergency funds or what is available in the infrastructure monies. We are working on another large project that they were just told in the last couple weeks they were given a grant for a new plant.
If it has to be funded with congress approval, we may have to stop at cleaning up the debris and waiting for funding to rebuild or the shipper to cough up some of the rebuild cost.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 05:16 PM
The emergency money for the clean up was something Biden could do on his own. As such 60 million dollars were already approved for the clean up...............

Disaster Relief Fund, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security
Fiscal Year Summary

For this current fiscal year, this agency has been granted authority to spend $35B out of this federal account. They carried over a balance of $10B from last year, were given $25B in new appropriations, and have authority to use $33M of other budgetary resources.

To date, 57.2% ($20B) of the total $35B has been obligated.......................

All of the infrastructure money was allocated and earmarked before it was ever passed. There is no discretionary funding left in that bill as it was written. Where every dollar of it was to go is accounted for. It is totally separate from the emergency fund. As such they would have to rewrite at least part of the infrastructure bill all together by taking the funds already allocated to go somewhere else and reroute it to the bridge. The way congress has been functioning, or not functioning as the case may be, that looks more like a jigsaw puzzle than a realistic solution.

This type of disaster is exactly what the disaster relief fund is for. I don't see any of this as being complicated. Unless of course the Freedom Caucus decides to make it complicated. It's starting out to be leaning in that direction.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Anonymous users are dominating right-wing discussions online. They also spread false information

https://apnews.com/article/misinfor...lection-8a6b0f8d727734200902d96a59b84bf7

Russians. This was Prigozhin’s specialty before he went rogue.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 07:26 PM
Bro if I ever try to take over the world, imma pay you very well for your services.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 07:45 PM
I feel slighted by your choice there. laugh
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 07:55 PM
It’s no wonder the MAGA movement is so damn stupid. Here’s a big part of why…





Our 2 party system is dying on the vine because we only have one viable long term party. MAGA GOP is a clown show of epic proportions.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Anonymous users are dominating right-wing discussions online. They also spread false information

https://apnews.com/article/misinfor...lection-8a6b0f8d727734200902d96a59b84bf7

Russians. This was Prigozhin’s specialty before he went rogue.

And almost right on queue:

GOP Rep. Mike Turner said Sunday that Russian propaganda has taken hold among some of his House Republican colleagues and is even "being uttered on the House floor."

"We see directly coming from Russia ... communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor," Turner, chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."

"There are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not," he added.

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Turner's office did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for clarification about which members of Congress he was referring to.

His comments come on the heels of remarks House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul made this week about how Russian propaganda has taken root among the GOP.

McCaul, a Texas Republican, told Puck News that he thinks "Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base."

Turner and McCaul each tied Russia and its leader, Vladimir Putin, to other authoritarian leaders, including President Xi Jinping of China and Kim Jong Un, the leader of North Korea.

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"[The propaganda] makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is," Turner told CNN, adding, "President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself have identified as such."

McCaul described explaining to colleagues that the threat of Russian propaganda is similar to threats made by other U.S. adversaries.

"I have to explain to them what’s at stake, why Ukraine is in our national security interest," he said. "By the way, you don’t like Communist China? Well, guess what? They’re aligned [with Russia], along with the ayatollah [of Iran]. So when you explain it that way, they kind of start understanding it."

The committee chairs' remarks about Russian propaganda came as they spoke about the need for Congress to approve more military aid to Ukraine.

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"Ukraine needs our help and assistance now, and this is a very critical time for the U.S. Congress to step up and provide that aid," Turner told CNN.

The House in recent months has stalled on efforts to pass Ukraine aid, with Speaker Mike Johnson refusing to put an aid package the Senate passed in February that would provide resources to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan on the House floor.

Last week, Rep. Don Bacon said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that he had commitments from Johnson and McCaul that they would allow a bipartisan Ukraine military aid package to advance to a vote.

Rep. French Hill echoed this point on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday morning, saying he believes Johnson will bring Ukraine aid to the floor "immediately after completing the work on [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] and FISA's extension — that deadline of April 19 makes it a priority for the first few days we're back."

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"I believe he's fully committed to bringing it up to the floor immediately thereafter," Hill added.

But Bacon, R-Neb., also warned that Johnson could face a vote to oust him from the speakership if he moves forward with Ukraine aid.

On Sunday, Turner downplayed the notion that Johnson's position was at risk over Ukraine aid.

"I don't think he's at any risk," Turner said. "I think that what people have been referring to as the 'chaos caucus,' those individuals who are seeking attention for themselves and trying to stop all of the important work in Congress, are now seen as merely disruptive."

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Democrats have signaled that they could join several Republicans in helping to save Johnson's speakership if a motion to vacate, such as the one filed by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene just before the House left for a two-week Easter recess, were brought to a vote.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-reps-mike-turner-mike-172512347.html
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 11:47 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Damanshot
This is stupid. This bridge and waterway is a vital cog in commerce. It's collapse and blockage will cause untold damage to everyone regardless of your party.

Quick question. Republicans refused to pass the immigration bill. Trump told them to do that and some of them even said the truth out loud. They asked why they should do anything that would help Biden during an election year? What causes you to think this would be any different?

This may be a little harder for them to refuse to do but as you can see some of them are already coming up with ways to avoid it.

I have no doubt about it, but I try to give the benefit. I keep hoping that Republicans will put this crap aside and help Americans. Probably too much to ask of them.

These damn fools think they work for TRUMP. They do not, they work for us. I'd like to see them act like it.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/07/24 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Anonymous users are dominating right-wing discussions online. They also spread false information

https://apnews.com/article/misinfor...lection-8a6b0f8d727734200902d96a59b84bf7

Russians. This was Prigozhin’s specialty before he went rogue.

And almost right on queue:

GOP Rep. Mike Turner said Sunday that Russian propaganda has taken hold among some of his House Republican colleagues and is even "being uttered on the House floor."

"We see directly coming from Russia ... communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor," Turner, chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."

"There are members of Congress today who still incorrectly say that this conflict between Russia and Ukraine is over NATO, which of course it is not," he added.

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Turner's office did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for clarification about which members of Congress he was referring to.

His comments come on the heels of remarks House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul made this week about how Russian propaganda has taken root among the GOP.

McCaul, a Texas Republican, told Puck News that he thinks "Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base."

Turner and McCaul each tied Russia and its leader, Vladimir Putin, to other authoritarian leaders, including President Xi Jinping of China and Kim Jong Un, the leader of North Korea.

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"[The propaganda] makes it more difficult for us to really see this as an authoritarian versus democracy battle, which is what it is," Turner told CNN, adding, "President Xi of China, Vladimir Putin himself have identified as such."

McCaul described explaining to colleagues that the threat of Russian propaganda is similar to threats made by other U.S. adversaries.

"I have to explain to them what’s at stake, why Ukraine is in our national security interest," he said. "By the way, you don’t like Communist China? Well, guess what? They’re aligned [with Russia], along with the ayatollah [of Iran]. So when you explain it that way, they kind of start understanding it."

The committee chairs' remarks about Russian propaganda came as they spoke about the need for Congress to approve more military aid to Ukraine.

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"Ukraine needs our help and assistance now, and this is a very critical time for the U.S. Congress to step up and provide that aid," Turner told CNN.

The House in recent months has stalled on efforts to pass Ukraine aid, with Speaker Mike Johnson refusing to put an aid package the Senate passed in February that would provide resources to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan on the House floor.

Last week, Rep. Don Bacon said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that he had commitments from Johnson and McCaul that they would allow a bipartisan Ukraine military aid package to advance to a vote.

Rep. French Hill echoed this point on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday morning, saying he believes Johnson will bring Ukraine aid to the floor "immediately after completing the work on [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] and FISA's extension — that deadline of April 19 makes it a priority for the first few days we're back."

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"I believe he's fully committed to bringing it up to the floor immediately thereafter," Hill added.

But Bacon, R-Neb., also warned that Johnson could face a vote to oust him from the speakership if he moves forward with Ukraine aid.

On Sunday, Turner downplayed the notion that Johnson's position was at risk over Ukraine aid.

"I don't think he's at any risk," Turner said. "I think that what people have been referring to as the 'chaos caucus,' those individuals who are seeking attention for themselves and trying to stop all of the important work in Congress, are now seen as merely disruptive."

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Democrats have signaled that they could join several Republicans in helping to save Johnson's speakership if a motion to vacate, such as the one filed by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene just before the House left for a two-week Easter recess, were brought to a vote.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-reps-mike-turner-mike-172512347.html

I read something about this today. That's a damn shame. Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush would pissed at members of the GOP.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/08/24 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
I have no doubt about it, but I try to give the benefit. I keep hoping that Republicans will put this crap aside and help Americans.

As a very wise and famous man once said.....



naughtydevil
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/09/24 04:11 PM
Greene defends claim that eclipse, earthquake signs to repent

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) on Sunday defended an earlier statement saying Monday’s eclipse and Friday’s New York-area earthquake were signs from God telling people to repent.

After two days of backlash, Greene addressed a community note that was added to provide context to her original post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. She said that while eclipses are predictable, they still are created by God and can be signs for those who believe.

On Friday, an earthquake shook the New York region, which infrequently experiences such incidents. On Monday, people across the country will witness a total solar eclipse, a rare phenomenon that is next slated to occur in two decades.

In a post Friday, Greene wrote that “God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent. Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come. I pray that our country listens.”

A community note was subsequently added, providing links to government resources.

“Earthquakes happen all the time, all around the world, we can follow them realtime using USGS resources,” it stated. “Eclipses are not random, they follow strict mathematical rules and can be predicted centuries before they happen. NASA has a site listing eclipses until the year 3000.”

Greene in 2021 apologized during a heated closed-door House GOP conference meeting for her past controversial remarks and embracing the QAnon conspiracy theory.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...that-eclipse-earthquake-signs-to-repent/

MTG. The gift that keeps on giving.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/09/24 04:46 PM
GOP’s Marjorie Taylor Greene delivers fresh threats of ousting Speaker Johnson in scathing rebuke

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hard-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene is escalating her criticism of House Speaker Mike Johnson, blistering his leadership in a lengthy letter to colleagues and renewing threats of a snap vote that could remove him from office.

As lawmakers returned to work Tuesday from a two-week spring recess, the fresh onslaught from the Georgia congresswoman dragged the still-new speaker back into the Republican chaos that has defined GOP House control and threatens to grind work to a halt. Johnson may very well be unable to execute the basics of his job.

“Today, I sent a letter to my colleagues explaining exactly why I filed a motion to vacate against Speaker Johnson,” Greene said on social media about the procedural tool that could force the quick vote.

Greene in stark terms warned Johnson not to reach across the aisle to Democrats for votes he would need to pass pending legislation that hard-right Republicans oppose, particularly aid to Ukraine. That aid package as well as other agenda items are in grave doubt.

“I will not tolerate this type of Republican ‘leadership,’” wrote Greene, a top ally of presumptive presidential nominee Donald Trump, in the five-page letter first reported by The New York Times.

The standoff threatens to mire the House in another standstill, saddling the Republican majority with a do-nothing label after months of turmoil that has sent some seasoned lawmakers heading for the exits.

It comes during what is typically a springtime legislative push in Congress to notch a few priorities before lawmakers turn their attention toward the November election campaigns.

For Johnson, who took the helm just six months ago after the House ousted Kevin McCarthy from the speaker’s post, it is political payback for his efforts to keep government running by compromising with Democrats on must-past legislation to fund federal operations and prevent a shutdown.

Partnership with Democrats is about the only way Johnson can pass any bills in the face of a thin majority and staunch resistance from his right flank. He can lose barely more than a single Republican from his ranks on most votes.

Greene, who filed the motion to vacate the speaker before lawmakers left for spring break in March, has stopped short of saying she would call it up for the vote and her next steps are uncertain.

Other Republicans, even some of the eight who voted to oust McCarthy, the California Republican who has since retired from Congress, have cooled on Greene’s effort, trying to prevent another spectacle. McCarthy’s ouster left the House essentially shuttered for almost a month last fall as Republicans argued over a new leader.

And Democrats led by Rep. Hakeem Jeffries of New York have signaled they may lend their votes to Johnson, a courtesy they did not extend to McCarthy, which could save the Louisiana Republican’s job in a bipartisan effort to keep the House open and functioning.

But Greene, during a rousing town hall late Monday in her home district in Georgia and in the scathing letter delivered Tuesday as lawmakers returned to work, left clear the threat that hangs over Johnson if he seeks any partnership with Democrats.

In the letter, she outlined the promises she said Johnson made to Republicans during the fight to become speaker, and listed ways she said he had broken them — for example, by passing the spending bills needed to fund the government with existing policies many Republicans oppose, or by failing to include legislation with Republican proposals for securing the U.S.-Mexico border.

”This has been a complete and total surrender to, if not complete and total lockstep with, the Democrats’ agenda that has angered our Republican base so much and given them very little reason to vote for a Republican House majority,” she wrote.

https://apnews.com/article/house-sp...-greene-e0f0271f8244598841c56502f12f38a0

It seems as though the inmates are trying to run the asylum........ again.
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/09/24 06:26 PM
Trying, not really, more like succeeding in running the asylum.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/10/24 04:25 PM
Former Trump executive Allen Weisselberg sentenced to 5 months in jail for lying in civil fraud case

NEW YORK (AP) — Allen Weisselberg, a retired executive in Donald Trump’s real estate empire, was sentenced on Wednesday to five months in jail for lying under oath during his testimony in the civil fraud lawsuit brought against the former president by New York’s attorney general.

Weisselberg, 76, pleaded guilty last month to two counts of perjury in connection with the suit. He admitted lying when he testified he had little knowledge of how Trump’s Manhattan penthouse came to be valued on his financial statements at nearly three times its actual size.

Asked if he wanted to address the court on Wednesday, Weisselberg, wearing a black windbreaker and a face mask, responded, “No, your honor.” He was escorted out of the courtroom in handcuffs following the brief sentencing, which lasted less than five minutes.

It is Weisselberg’s second time behind bars. The former Trump Organization chief financial officer served 100 days last year for dodging taxes on $1.7 million in company perks, including a rent-free Manhattan apartment and luxury cars.

Now, he’s again trading life as a Florida retiree for a stay at New York City’s notorious Rikers Island jail complex.

The two cases highlight Weisselberg’s unflinching loyalty to Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

Trump’s family employed Weisselberg for nearly 50 years, then gave him a $2 million severance deal when the tax charges prompted him to retire. The company continues to pay his legal bills.

Weisselberg testified twice in trials that went badly for Trump, but each time he took pains to suggest that his boss hadn’t committed any serious wrongdoing. His plea agreement does not require him to testify at Trump’s hush money criminal trial, which is scheduled to start with jury selection Monday.

In agreeing to a five-month sentence, prosecutors cited Weisselberg’s age and willingness to admit wrongdoing. In New York, perjury is a felony punishable by up to seven years in prison. Prosecutors promised not to prosecute Weisselberg for other crimes he might have committed in connection with his Trump Organization employment.

Weisselberg’s sentence mirrors his previous case, in which he was ordered to serve five months in jail but was eligible for release after little more than three months with good behavior. Prior to that, he had no criminal record.

Trump’s lawyers took issue with Weisselberg’s perjury prosecution, accusing the Manhattan district attorney’s office of deploying “unethical, strong-armed tactics against an innocent man in his late 70s” while turning “a blind eye” to perjury allegations against Michael Cohen, the former Trump lawyer who is now a key prosecution witness in the hush money case.

Prosecutors with Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office and Weisselberg’s lawyer Seth Rosenberg declined to address the court.

Weisselberg pleaded guilty March 4. He admitted lying under oath on three occasions while testifying in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit against Trump: in depositions in July 2020 and May 2023 and on the witness stand at the trial last October. To avoid violating his tax case probation, however, he agreed to plead guilty only to charges related to his 2020 deposition testimony.

The size of Trump’s penthouse was a key issue in the civil fraud case.

Trump valued the apartment on his financial statements from at least 2012 to 2016 as though it measured 30,000 square feet (2,800 square meters). A former Trump real estate executive testified that Weisselberg provided the figure. The former executive said that when he asked for the apartment’s size in 2012, Weisselberg replied: “It’s quite large. I think it’s around 30,000 square feet.”

However, state lawyers noted, Weisselberg got an email early in that year with a 1994 document attached that pegged Trump’s apartment at 10,996 square feet (1,022 square meters). Weisselberg testified that he remembered the email but not the attachment and that he didn’t “walk around knowing the size” of the apartment.

After Forbes magazine published an article in 2017 disputing the size of Trump’s penthouse, its estimated value on his financial statement was cut from $327 million to about $117 million.

As Weisselberg was testifying last October, Forbes published an article with the headline “Trump’s Longtime CFO Lied, Under Oath, About Trump Tower Penthouse.”

The civil fraud trial ended with Judge Arthur Engoron ruling that Trump and some of his executives had schemed to deceive banks, insurers and others by lying about his wealth on financial statements used to make deals and secure loans. The judge penalized Trump $455 million and ordered Weisselberg to pay $1 million. They are both appealing.

In his decision, Engoron said he found Weisselberg’s testimony “intentionally evasive” and “highly unreliable.”

Weisselberg is likely to factor into Trump’s hush money trial — even if he’s in jail and not on the witness stand while it’s happening.

Trump is accused of falsifying his company’s records to cover up payments during his 2016 campaign to bury stories of marital infidelity. It is the first of Trump’s four criminal cases scheduled to go to trial. Trump has pleaded not guilty and denies wrongdoing.

Cohen has said Weisselberg had a role in orchestrating the payments. Weisselberg, who lives in Boynton Beach, Florida, has not been charged in that case, and neither prosecutors nor Trump’s lawyers have indicated they will call him as a witness.

https://apnews.com/article/weisselberg-trump-perjury-new-york-b76cde56c6cb983ab8789f95d5a0c6c0
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/10/24 07:05 PM
Trump supporters trying to recall Wisconsin GOP leader failed, elections review concludes

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The effort by supporters of former President Donald Trump to recall Wisconsin’s top elected Republican did not gather enough signatures to trigger the recall election and therefore should be rejected, state elections officials said Wednesday.

Trump backers angry with Assembly Speaker Robin Vos launched the recall effort, citing his refusal to decertify President Joe Biden’s narrow win in the state in 2020. Vos further angered Trump supporters when he did not back a plan to impeach Meagan Wolfe, the state’s top elections official.

Trump also renewed his criticism of Vos and Wolfe this week.

Vos dismissed petition organizers as “whack jobs and morons” and said previously that the effort had failed after challenging the validity of thousands of signatures.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission was expected to formally reject the Vos recall effort for not gathering enough valid signatures on Thursday.

Staff at the commission said in a memo released Wednesday that based on their review the effort did not collect enough valid signatures. The effort was complicated over what district should be used for any recall election, given that new boundary lines take effect in November.

But the staff review found that no matter what district is used — the one Vos was elected to serve in 2022 or either of the two new ones that comprise parts of the old district — the recall did not gather enough signatures.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court last week declined a request from the elections commission to clarify what district boundaries should be used in any recall.

Vos is the most powerful Republican in the GOP-led Legislature. He was first elected in 2004 and is the longest-serving Assembly speaker in state history, holding the post since 2013.

He did not return a message seeking comment. Recall organizers also did not return a message.

Recall organizers, recognizing that their initial effort was likely short of the needed signatures, launched a second recall effort last month.

Trump, in an interview on The Regular Joe radio show on Tuesday lobbed more criticism at Vos and renewed calls for Wolfe to be removed.

“I’ve heard so much about Meagan Wolfe, and it’s like unanimous, she shouldn’t be there,” Trump said. “And Robin Vos, who’s a Republican, is allowing her to be there. I don’t understand it. I can’t imagine it.”

Wolfe is one of the most respected elections officials in the nation. She has served as president of the National Association of State Election Directors and chair of the bipartisan Electronic Registration Information Center, which helps states maintain accurate voter rolls.

Vos has blocked efforts by five Republicans in the Assembly to impeach Wolfe. Senate Republicans voted in September to fire Wolfe, despite objections from Democrats and the Legislature’s nonpartisan attorneys, who said the Senate didn’t have the authority to vote at that time because Wolfe was a holdover in her position and had not been reappointed.

Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul sued to challenge that vote, and in court filings, Republican legislative leaders changed course and claimed their vote to fire Wolfe was merely “symbolic” and had no legal effect.

A judge later ruled that Wolfe is legally holding her position.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsi...ump-vos-826350a3aaff12e9c290b50ea7f8ca30

Please note that NPR is not the source of this story.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/10/24 08:03 PM
RNC under Lara Trump spreads ‘massive fraud’ claims about 2020 election

The Republican National Committee last week sent out a scripted call to voters’ phones on behalf of new co-chair Lara Trump saying Democrats committed “massive fraud” in the 2020 election.

It’s the latest example of how the RNC under the former president’s daughter-in-law is perpetuating lies about the 2020 election, even as prominent Republicans say the party needs to look forward to win in 2024.

“We all know the problems. No photo IDs, unsecured ballot drop boxes, mass mailing of ballots, and voter rolls chock full of deceased people and non-citizens are just a few examples of the massive fraud that took place,” the RNC call said. “If Democrats have their way, your vote could be canceled out by someone who isn’t even an American citizen.”

The claim of “massive fraud” in the 2020 election marks a significant shift in messaging for the RNC because lies about the 2020 election had not been a consistent theme in its messaging since Donald Trump left office.

But the call’s message is largely consistent with the views publicly espoused over the past four years by Lara Trump, who was elected as co-chair in early March as part of Donald Trump’s takeover of the GOP. Lara Trump has a long history of echoing his election fraud claims, according to a CNN KFile analysis of her past statements as a commentator and surrogate for the former president.

“I’m sure you agree with co-chair Trump that we cannot allow the chaos and questions of the 2020 election to ever happen again,” said the call, which was obtained by CNN’s KFile from the anti-robocall application Nomorobo, which estimated 145,000 calls were sent with the message from April 1-7.

It comes amid previous CNN reporting about the RNC asking employees who are reapplying for their jobs whether they believe the 2020 election was stolen in an apparent litmus test for hiring. The RNC denied any such litmus test existed. Lara Trump and new chair Michael Whatley succeeded Drew McKissick and Ronna McDaniel, who had earned the ire of the former president because of his dissatisfaction with how the RNC handled claims of fraud around the 2020 election, CNN previously reported.

There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, as even some state GOP election officials and former Trump Attorney General William Barr have acknowledged. The former president and his supporters filed more than 60 court cases in six key battleground states following the election and lost every one of them. And, they have still not brought forth any evidence of the rampant cheating they continue to talk about on the campaign trail.

But in the years since the 2020 election, Lara Trump has continued to push claims of fraud. Her comments have been in line with those of her father-in-law, who’s successfully reshaped the GOP in his image and easily secured his third-straight GOP nomination this year.

Polling, for example, shows that a majority of GOP voters think the 2020 election result was illegitimate. A CNN poll released last September found that 71% of Republicans said President Joe Biden’s “did not legitimately win enough votes to win the presidency.”

From November 2020 to February 2024, Lara Trump propagated the narrative of Democratic cheating in the 2020 presidential election. And even after she was elected co-chair and said claims of a stolen election are “in the past,” she didn’t repudiate those baseless accusations.

“Well, I think we’re past that. I think that’s in the past. We learned a lot. Certainly, we took a lot of notes,” Trump said in an NBC interview when asked whether claims of a stolen 2020 election would be the official position of the RNC in 2024. She went on to tout lawsuits across 23 states “to ensure that it is harder to cheat and easier to vote,” while raising questions about pandemic-era voting procedures during the 2020 election.

In the same interview, Trump also added the GOP needed to “trust mail-in voting.”

Neither the RNC nor Lara Trump responded to multiple requests for comment.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/politics/lara-trump-rnc-2020-election-fraud-claims/index.html

Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 03:11 PM
The Keystone Cops of attorneys........

Trump attorneys trolled after they subpoena wrong Jeremy Rosenberg for hush money trial: ‘I’m keeping the $15’

Mr Trump’s attorney Todd Blanche made the embarrassing mistake when he was trying to subpoena former District Attorney Supervising Rackets Investigator Jeremy Rosenberg in March

Donald Trump’s lawyers have been trolled by a random man in Brooklyn after they subpoenaed him by mistake for the former president’s hush money trial.

In a filing from the Manhattan District Attorney’s office on Tuesday, prosecutors revealed that Mr Trump’s attorney Todd Blanche had tried to subpoena former District Attorney Supervising Rackets Investigator Jeremy Rosenberg in March, to seek files related to the Republican presidential candidate’s former lawyer Michael Cohen.

However, it transpired that Mr Blanche made an embarrassing mistake – sending the subpoena to a man from Brooklyn also called Jeremy Rosenberg.

While the man shares the same name as the former DA’s office investigator, he has zero connection to the criminal case against the former president.

Following the blunder, Mr Rosenberg decided to have a bit of fun with Mr Trump’s attorneys – and told them he’d be keeping the money they sent him.

“I don’t have any files for you,” the apparently bemused Brooklynite wrote back, according to a filing from the former president’s legal team.

He added: “PS - The phone number you provided was disconnected.

“PPS - I’m keeping the fifteen dollars,” he added, referencing the money Mr Trump’s lawyers had sent him to help pay for sending the documents.

Mr Blanche had complained earlier this week that the man that he believed the former investigator Mr Rosenberg had displayed a “flippant and dismissive approach” to his subpoena “despite ample experience with the criminal justice system that should have instilled in him respect for this process and a criminal defendant’s rights”.

But in fact, Mr Trump’s lawyers had simply served court papers on the wrong man, prosecutor Matthew Colangelo wrote.

“The people believe the defendant has served the incorrect person,” Mr Colangelo said in a court filing.

“The people spoke with Mr. Rosenberg’s counsel, who informed the People that Mr. Rosenberg was not, in fact, served with the subpoena, that Mr. Rosenberg had not corresponded with defense counsel, and that Mr. Rosenberg does not have any connection to the Brooklyn address where the subpoena purportedly was served,” he added.

Mr Trump is set to go on trial on 15 April on charges of falsifying business records in order to cover up payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels and others to stop them from going public days before the 2016 presidential election about alleged affairs.

Mr Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, which each carry a potential prison sentence of up to four years.

It marks the first time a US president will go on trial and is one of just four criminal trials he is facing at a time when he is campaigning to take back the White House in November.

In recent days, the former president has made several unsuccessful attempts to have the case against him tossed – the latest of which came on Tuesday when a state appeals court judge rejected his 11th-hour bid to delay the trial while he fights the gag order in the case.

When the trial begins, Mr Trump’s lawyers plan to ask Mr Rosenberg for all records of communications he had with Mr Cohen from February 2021 until this May.

Mr Rosenberg, who previously prosecuted Trump ally Steve Bannon, was suspended as an investigator for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in June last year over his contact with Mr Cohen.

A law enforcement source told The New York Post at the time that Mr Bragg’s office was looking at how Mr Rosenberg shared communications about Mr Cohen with the office.

Mr Cohen’s lawyer Lanny J. Davis has insisted that the interactions between himself, Mr Rosenberg, and Mr Cohen were “always professional and focused on Mr Cohen’s personal security”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-jeremy-rosenberg-subpoena-b2526304.html
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 03:54 PM
#nottrivial
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 04:14 PM
Since trivial seems to be worth posting I thought i would join you.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 04:46 PM
Ahhh... so even your throwaway posts are my fault. thumbsup
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 04:51 PM
So, speaker Johnson is going to mar-a largo tomorrow to kiss the ring and him and trump are going to have a news conference on a bill to promote election integrity by promoting a bill that denies non-citizens from voting. I guess they didn't know that this is already a law and non-citizens can not vote in federal elections.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ump-election-integrity-bill/73289385007/
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 04:53 PM
Joining you in your trivial pursuit doesn't mean I'm blaming you for it. Just keeping the playing field even. You're having a hard time figuring out what the word "blame" means aren't you? This seems to be a persistent problem of yours lately.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 04:56 PM
Yes, Johnson and trump are going to have a meeting of the "minds?" on how to continue to spread the stolen election conspiracy of 2020 in order to implement voter suppression for the 2024 election. You know, a trivial little thing.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 05:13 PM
This expounds on your source about the Johnson/trump meeting along with a, little azz kissing of MTG.

Speaker Johnson to meet with Trump, offers Marjorie Taylor Greene advisory role as own job teeters

WASHINGTON (AP) — His job on the line, House Speaker Mike Johnson is dashing to Florida to meet with Donald Trump this week and has offered far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene a seat on his own “kitchen cabinet” as he draws closer to the MAGA forces that now dominate the GOP.

The sudden moves Wednesday come as the House hit a standstill, thrown into chaos once again.

The House Republicans are tearing themselves apart, unable to work together to push party priorities through Congress yet watching their majority fritter away the days without a cohesive agenda or much to show for their 15 months in power.

Johnson was unable to pass a national security surveillance bill that was tanked by his own Republican majority shortly after Trump pushed them to “kill” it. But at the same time, the speaker was being warned off partnering with Democrats on that bill and others, including aid for Ukraine, or risk Greene calling a snap vote that could oust him from the speaker’s office.

It all leaves Johnson, just six months on the job, in a similar place as Kevin McCarthy, the previous House speaker who was unceremoniously voted out of the speaker’s chair last fall — the first in history to be toppled.
“We’re going to regroup and consider next steps,” Johnson, R-La., told reporters as he called an impromptu meeting of Republicans in the Capitol basement.

Heading into the November election, Johnson has hitched his party’s prospects and his own political survival to Trump, believing the presumed presidential nominee and his MAGA supporters will boost Republican lawmakers and ensure they keep control of the House from Democrats.

On Friday, Trump and Johnson will appear for a press conference on “election integrity” at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago club, according to a Trump campaign official.

They are expected to make a “joint announcement,” said another person familiar with the planning.

Once skeptical of Trump, Johnson became a key supporter. He led one of the main legal challenges to the 2020 election in the run-up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by the mob of Trump’s supporters trying to stop the certification of Democrat Joe Biden’s victory.

The issue of election integrity has been an obsession for Trump since he lost the 2020 election, even though elections are broadly secure and every state in the union certified its 2020 results that were sent to Congress on the day of the Capitol siege.

It’s unclear what the Trump-Johnson announcement will involve, but since becoming the House speaker Johnson has tried to keep a close relationship with Trump.

Johnson revived a House committee’s efforts to reinvestigate the findings of the House Select Committee on the Jan. 6 attack as Trump calls for pardoning those involved in the bloody mob siege. More than 1,300 people have been charged in connection with the attack, as rioters fought police, stormed the Capitol and roamed the halls. Five people died in the siege and its immediate aftermath.

Trump and Johnson talk regularly, including on Tuesday night, as the speaker works to keep his own critics, particularly Greene, at bay.

A right-wing Republican from Georgia close to Trump, Greene has filed a motion to vacate the speaker, a procedural tool that allows a quick vote on his leadership, and now hangs over Johnson’s every move.

Johnson met with Greene for nearly an hour Wednesday at the Capitol, and she said the exchange was “direct and passionate.”

She is highly critical of Johnson, her grievances outlined in a five-page letter sent to colleagues this week, and in particular opposes helping Ukraine as it fights the Russian invasion, and warned Johnson not to bring an aid package for Ukraine to a vote.

Greene also rallied against extending provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as FISA, ahead of Wednesday’s failed vote, despite Johnson’s push to have it approved.

Just before the vote, Trump also weighed in on social media, telling Republicans to vote against it. “Kill FISA,” Trump wrote in all capital letters. Trump said the law was used to spy on him, but a former adviser to his 2016 presidential campaign was targeted over potential ties to Russia under a different section of the surveillance law. With a threadbare majority, Johnson can lose no more than one or so Republican on any vote, but nearly 20 bolted.

Johnson offered to give Greene a spot on a proposed “kitchen cabinet” of advisors to the speaker, she said after the nearly hour-long session.

But Greene told reporters she would “wait and see” about his offer, but she was more interested in how he handles several issues before Congress, particularly aid for Ukraine and the FISA vote.

“I explained to him, this isn’t personal,” she said. “But he has not done the job that we elected him to do.”

Greene has said that Johnson has thrown the Republican majority into “chaos,” pointing in particular to the government spending bills that he passed to prevent a federal shutdown over Republican objections.

“That is chaos for a Republican majority: sending his Republican colleagues and members back home to their districts, having to campaign on a Republican House that funded the Biden administration,” she said late Tuesday at the Capitol.

Other Republicans, even those who ousted McCarthy, have been cool to Greene’s effort to oust Johnson, unenthusiastic about going through the turmoil of trying to elect a new speaker.

Last fall, it took Republicans almost a month to replace McCarthy with Johnson, a spectacle that put the party’s dysfunction on display in rounds of failed votes and essentially shut down all other House business.

Greene has not publicly discussed when she may bring up the motion to vacate and told reporters she does not yet have a “red line” for bringing up the action.

Johnson’s planned meeting with Trump was first reported on CNN.

https://apnews.com/article/congress-speaker-johnson-trump-meeting-19b923809fecfeeb4a1d232faefbdaed
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 05:20 PM
Prosecutor to decide if Georgia lieutenant governor should be charged in election meddling case

ATLANTA (AP) — A special prosecutor has been assigned to look into whether Georgia Lt. Gov. Burt Jones should face criminal charges over efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election in the state.

The Prosecuting Attorneys’ Council of Georgia announced Thursday that its executive director, Pete Skandalakis, will handle the matter after Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis was barred from prosecuting Jones as part of her election interference case against former President Donald Trump and others.

Jones was one of 16 state Republicans who signed a certificate stating that Trump had won Georgia and declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors even though Democrat Joe Biden had been declared the winner in the state. As a state senator in the wake of the election, he also sought a special session of Georgia’s Legislature aimed at overturning Biden’s narrow win in the state.

As Willis was investigating possible illegal election meddling by Trump and others, Jones argued that Willis should not be able to pursue charges against him because she had hosted a fundraiser for his Democratic opponent in the lieutenant governor’s race. Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney ruled in July 2022 that Willis’ actions created an “actual and untenable” conflict of interest.

McBurney’s ruling left it up to the Prosecuting Attorneys’ Council, a nonpartisan state agency that supports district attorneys, to appoint a prosecutor to decide whether Jones should be charged. Right after Trump and the others were indicted, Skandalakis said he would begin looking for an appropriate prosecutor. But he instead decided to appoint himself.

The statement announcing Skandalakis’ appointment cites state bar rules and says that “no further comments will be made at this time.”

Jones has previously denied wrongdoing, saying he and other electors acted on advice of lawyers to preserve Trump’s chances if the former president won a court challenge that was pending at the time. Three others who signed the Republican elector certificate were among those indicted along with Trump in August by a Fulton County grand jury.

In a statement Thursday, Jones welcomed the news of Skandalakis’ appointment.

“I’m happy to see this process move forward and look forward to the opportunity to get this charade behind me,” Jones said. “Fani Willis has made a mockery of this legal process, as she tends to do. I look forward to a quick resolution and moving forward with the business of the state of Georgia.”

Trump and the 18 others indicted in August were accused of participating in a wide-ranging scheme to illegally try to overturn Trump’s loss in Georgia. Four people have pleaded guilty after reaching deals with prosecutors. The others, including the former president, have pleaded not guilty. No trial date has been set.

https://apnews.com/article/burt-jon...-willis-f72be30e211559495e0cb7842050fa9c
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/11/24 05:30 PM
It's a shame that anyone, much less a judge has to say this in order to combat the stupidity of it......

Judge in Trump’s election interference case rejects ‘hostages’ label for jailed Jan. 6 defendants

WASHINGTON (AP) — The judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s election interference case rejected the notion Wednesday that jailed defendants charged with some of the most violent crimes of the U.S. Capitol riot are “hostages” — a label Trump and his allies have frequently used to describe the prisoners.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan said the Capitol riot defendants who remain jailed in Washington, D.C., don’t deserve to be called hostages or heroes for their actions during the mob’s attack on Jan. 6, 2021.

“They’re being kept there because they are dangerous people,” Chutkan said during a sentencing hearing for Antony Vo, a man convicted of storming the Capitol with his mother.

During his trial, Vo attended a nightly vigil that supporters of Jan. 6 riot defendants hold outside the Washington jail. The judge previously ruled that Vo’s attendance at the vigil violated a condition of his release.

Chutkan rolled her eyes and shook her head when she learned from a prosecutor during Wednesday’s hearing that the vigil’s organizers refer to their gathering spot outside the jail as “Freedom Corner.”

“Is that what’s it’s called? Freedom Corner?” the judge asked, sounding incredulous.

At a November 2023 campaign event in Houston, Trump referred to the jailed riot defendants as “J6 hostages, not prisoners.” Trump campaign rallies have started with a recording of jailed Capitol riot defendants singing the national anthem. In June 2023, Trump spoke at a fundraiser benefiting Jan. 6 defendants.

“I’m gonna make a contribution,” Trump said. “There have been few people that have been treated in the history of our country like the people that you love, like the people that have gone through so much.”

Trump’s trial in Washington for the election interference case was scheduled to start March 4, but Chutkan agreed to place the case on hold while the former president pursues his claims that he is immune from prosecution. The U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear arguments for Trump’s appeal later this month.

Chutkan didn’t mention Trump’s name during Wednesday’s hearing, where she sentenced Vo to nine months of imprisonment. A jury convicted Vo of four misdemeanor counts related to the riot. His mother also has been charged with Jan. 6-related crimes.

More than 1,300 people have charged with federal crimes related to the Capitol riot. The vast majority of them have remained free while awaiting trial or a plea deal to resolve their case.

Chutkan told Vo, 31, of Bloomington, Indiana, that he was fortunate that she didn’t order him jailed after his trial conviction. She said he has consistently refused to express remorse or accept responsibility for his conduct on Jan. 6.

“He has doubled down on his behavior,” she said.

Before learning his sentence, Vo said he is “sorry for everything” and knows he shouldn’t have entered the Capitol on Jan. 6.

“I wasn’t there to overthrow any democratic process or anything,” he told the judge.

In his bio for a social media account, Vo has called himself a “J6 wrongful convict.” In a post after his trial, he wrote that “there was zero jury of peers and 100% a kangaroo court.”

“I’ve been called worse,” Chutkan said, stressing that she wasn’t punishing Vo for his insult or his political beliefs.

“I’m thick-skinned,” the judge added.

Chutkan has stood out as one of the toughest punishers of Capitol rioters, often handing down prison sentences that are harsher than prosecutors’ recommendations. Vo’s attorney, Carmen Hernandez, told Chutkan that she appears to be an “outlier” compared to other judges who have sentenced Jan. 6 defendants.

“I may be an outlier, as Ms. Hernandez suggests. I don’t necessarily think I am,” Chutkan said.

https://apnews.com/article/judge-tanya-chutkan-trump-capitol-riot-93b33b1f1774e4e5c430f1598c7115a3
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:03 PM
Jc

I really struggled with identifying who the militants would be, regarding another American civil war. At first, maybe red vs blue states, but the states are so scattered like a connect 4 board that it wouldn’t work. Maybe rural vs urban? But since the rural (right) would be the aggressors, that means they would be attempting to invade the metro areas. That also wouldn’t work, or make any sense.

But then Marjorie Taylor Greene had to file a motion to vacate the house speaker. combined with the ruling on abortion in Arizona, the recent passing of the FISA bill and trump inviting speaker Johnson to Florida and still showed support, I realized that the hypothetical civil war wouldn’t be a left vs right thing…

It would be right vs right. The civil war would be between right wing Americans. one side being traditional, or more moderate conservatives, and the other being the MAGA/religious conservatives. I’ve said before that conservatives have made it clear that they can’t even stand each other, never mind everyone else. This week has only added more evidence to my belief. Right now it’s clear that the main people who feel as though they have no party representing them are conservative Americans, and with a bunch of people already prone and ready for political violence, I really see a scenario where it turns violent amongst themselves after the 2024 election.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:08 PM
It wouldnt be any of those things. It would be the people vs the govt. The govt is mismanaging everything and running this country into the ground.


Empires only last about 250 years and the US is there, so we're due to rebel.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:14 PM
It was conservatives that attack the government. The ‘people’ implies it would be both equally left and right fighting the government in this scenario, and that’s far from it.

Conservatives are the ones who believe in rigged elections, RINOs, the deep state, and attacking the federal government over those issues and others.

It’s funny cause right now, the biggest threat to conservatives are…other conservatives who aren’t conservative enough.

Sigh…
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:16 PM
When liberals are all living on the street because the country's economy collapses, they will be rebeling too. I know liberals dont mind taking it up the butt, but at some point they will snap.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:21 PM
I guess. I’ve been waiting on the economy to collapse for the last 2 years like conservatives claimed. One day you’ll finally be correct, I suppose.

But that doesn’t change the reality that the current political climate would be a war between conservatives if things continue the way they are. Y’all could get violent before the economy collapse.

Hell, conservative civil war might be the reason the economy collapses. I guess then y’all will finally be right about the economy, so there’s that.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:24 PM
I know a lot of conservatives and none of them reflect your views. The fringe groups (I dont know any of those) have their militias to fight the govt.


Most libtard views are exaggerated and false. Most conservatives think you people are crazy.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:30 PM


This movie just came out. I havent seen it yet.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:33 PM
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:34 PM
Haven’t seen it, either. But I want to, just hope everybody remembers it’s entertainment.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.


When you are living on the street and cant feed your daughters you will snap too.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I know liberals dont mind taking it up the butt

It sounds as if you may be the voice of experience. George Santos resembles your comment. And he's a Republican.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I know liberals dont mind taking it up the butt

It sounds as if you may be the voice of experience. George Santos resembles your comment. And he's a Republican.

So does that male Biden Admin appointee who kept stealing womens luggage from the airport. And wearing the dresses he stole.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Most conservatives think you people are crazy.

they also think the election was stolen. They also think both 9/11 and Jan. 6th were inside jobs. They also thought that Taylor Swift was going to endorse Joe Biden at the SB. then they thought Obama wasn't a citizen. The Pizzagate conspiracy theory. That Ted Cruz father was involved in killing JFK. Then there's MTG and those Jewish space lazers. I could go on and on. But the point being people can't take what conservatives think seriously.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I know liberals dont mind taking it up the butt

It sounds as if you may be the voice of experience. George Santos resembles your comment. And he's a Republican.

So does that male Biden Admin appointee who kept stealing womens luggage from the airport. And wearing the dresses he stole.

So you think that cross dressing means the same thing as taking it up the butt? I see where the confusion lies.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Most conservatives think you people are crazy.

they also think the election was stolen. They also think both 9/11 and Jan. 6th were inside jobs. They also thought that Taylor Swift was going to endorse Joe Biden at the SB. then they thought Obama wasn't a citizen. The Pizzagate conspiracy theory. That Ted Cruz father was involved in killing JFK. Then there's MTG and those Jewish space lazers. I could go on and on. But the point being people can't take what conservatives think seriously.

Nobody cares about those conspiracy theories except foaming at the mouth liberals. And you certainly are foaming.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 08:54 PM
So Republicans keep making them up and feeding them to their base because they don't care? rofl
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/13/24 09:32 PM
Nobody cares what liberals have to say because you foam at the mouth like someone needs to put you down because you have rabies.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 03:14 PM
I'm sorry you find the facts so offensive. In case you missed it, Biden won in 2020 WITH the popular vote as well. Obviously more people care than don't. There's that math thing you have so much trouble with again.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:24 PM
You need a rabies shot.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:27 PM
You need a muzzle. There's enough stupidity being spouted without you adding to the noise pollution.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:29 PM
I willl never stop antagonizing trolls. That's what you get to look forward to.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:30 PM
When did you start antagonizing yourself?
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:32 PM
I'm not a troll. I don't feel the need to stalk everyone on this forum, have the last word in every thread and play the contrarian to everyone's point of view. Your posting is ugly and you live under a bridge.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:32 PM
But now you luck out, because I have a life and must go live it.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 05:42 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I'm not a troll.

Quote
Your posting is ugly and you live under a bridge.

Evidence your first quote is a lie. You're not very good at this.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/14/24 06:13 PM
This may help explain a lot about why the people in rural Tennessee process information the way they do.......

Tennessee lawmakers send bill to ban first-cousin marriages to governor

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — The Republican-led Tennessee Legislature has overwhelmingly voted to send GOP Gov. Bill Lee a proposal that would ban marriage between first cousins.

The House cast a 75-2 vote Thursday on the bill after the Senate previously approved it without any opposition.

But a particularly vocal opponent, Republican Rep. Gino Bulso, took up most of the debate time, as he argued for an amendment to allow first-cousin marriages if the couple first seeks counseling from a genetic counselor.

In a previous committee hearing on the bill, Bulso lightheartedly shared a story about how his grandparents were first cousins who came to the U.S. from Italy in the 1920s, then traveled from Ohio to Tennessee to get married. He and other lawmakers laughed, and Bulso voted for the bill in that committee.

Then during Thursday’s floor debate, the socially conservative attorney argued that the risk of married cousins having a child with birth defects does not exist for gay couples. He contended there is no compelling government interest to ban same-sex cousins from getting married, saying that would run afoul of the U.S. Supreme Court’s gay marriage decision.

He also couched his argument by saying that he thought the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage was “grievously wrong.” Bulso has supported legislation aimed at the LGBTQ community. That includes a bill he is sponsoring that would largely ban displaying pride flags in public school classrooms, which civil liberties advocates have contended runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution.

“The question is, is there a public health issue with a male marrying a male first cousin?” Bulso said. “And I think the answer is no.”

Ultimately, lawmakers voted down Bulso’s amendment and approved the ban proposed by Democratic Rep. Darren Jernigan.

“I hope it’s safe to say that in 2024, we can close this loophole,” Jernigan said.

Jernigan said a 1960 attorney general’s opinion determined that an 1820s Tennessee law restricting some marriages among relatives does not prevent first cousins from marrying. He responded to Bulso that there was no violation to the gay marriage ruling in his bill.

Republican Rep. Monty Fritts was the other lawmaker to vote against the bill.

https://apnews.com/article/tennessee-first-cousin-marriage-ban-5f7336dbce53f8f74092fd706347b2ec

Of course it had to be a Democrat to bring the issue to the floor.

It's also legal for first cousins to get married in Georgia. That helps explain a lot too.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
But now you luck out, because I have a life and must go live it.


Obviously last call in the pub.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 02:44 PM
I'm still thinking it may be a first cousin issue.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.

There's a handful that post often on this very site. Probably more if we really dug into it.

However, I don't see anything happening quite like you do. It will be the MAGA extremists vs everyone.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Swish
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.

There's a handful that post often on this very site. Probably more if we really dug into it.

However, I don't see anything happening quite like you do. It will be the MAGA extremists vs everyone.

There are MAGA extremists that promote political violence / civil war that post often on this site??

Please PM me the list so I can steer clear.

Scary.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
I willl never stop antagonizing trolls. That's what you get to look forward to.


Don’t look in a mirror, infinite loops are a biatch.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 06:11 PM
I agree that may have gone a step too far. Yet many feel that when you ignore such things and make excuses for his behavior to some extent you're passively condoning it. Not only does that happen a lot on this board but people point the finger at and act like there's something wrong with the people that point out his behavior rather than calling trump out for his behavior.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Swish
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.

There's a handful that post often on this very site. Probably more if we really dug into it.

However, I don't see anything happening quite like you do. It will be the MAGA extremists vs everyone.

There are MAGA extremists that promote political violence / civil war that post often on this site??

Please PM me the list so I can steer clear.

Scary.

No, I was talking about "anti-MAGA" conservatives.

But going back and re-reading the back-and-forth between swish and Eve, I'm now thinking I may have flipped around the groups that they were talking about. I thought she was saying that she doesn't know any "anti-MAGA" conservatives (meaning all the conservatives she does know are anti-liberal enough to try another Jan6). Reading again, I'm not sure I got that right.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/15/24 10:13 PM
Ah, I got it. Thanks for clarifying. I think you probably "flipped" the groups, at least that was my perspective from what she was saying.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 12:13 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Swish
The fact that you don’t know a lot of conservatives with that view does nothing to change the fact that there are a bunch of conservatives in this country who hold those views, and right wing groups and individuals who have proven that they are willing to use violence, such as J6.

There's a handful that post often on this very site. Probably more if we really dug into it.

However, I don't see anything happening quite like you do. It will be the MAGA extremists vs everyone.

There are MAGA extremists that promote political violence / civil war that post often on this site??

Please PM me the list so I can steer clear.

Scary.

I'd like to believe that there aren't any such people. I'd like to believe that we'd get rid of them. Violence like January 6th is just uncalled for and those that defend those that committed that crime shouldn't be welcome here.



Just like I can't justify BLM going off on Violence either. You can guess the other groups I don't justify either.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by EveDawg


This movie just came out. I havent seen it yet.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/movies/civil-war-box-office.html

Apparently the audience for this film has been libtards and moderates.

Guess you guys are getting ready for your hysterical meltdown when Trump wins. rofl
Posted By: Swish Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 10:37 AM
So wifey and I saw the movie, eve.

There were no sides taken in the movie. Which is the whole point. The movie is from the perspective of a photojournalist, whose job is to capture the images of the conflict. So she’s literally experience the atrocities from multiple angles in the conflict. There really are no good or bad guys, as morality is judged by the factions themselves, which is more than 2.

The fact that you think this is some liberal leaning movie for leftist shows you’re just taking the word of other people instead of watching the movie yourself.

Just like the typical cult behavior which is conservative America.
Posted By: hitt Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 01:26 PM
SO, Trump who supports J6 and would free "the political prisoners" shouldn't be welcomed----I'll second that.

Just can't help myself- I must point out what FOOLS any Republican support Trump is-- you support a CON MAN. Just another troubling fact- please check it out. Article from Financial Times

WithumSmith+Brown was appointed to vet Trump Media & Technology Group's financials soon after it was founded in early 2021. But the firm resigned before the end of 2021, the FT reported citing people familiar with the matter.

According to the FT's sources, WithumSmith+Brown no longer wanted to be associated with Trump and his company after several months on the job.

Next, the Donald turned to a yes man accounting firm---- In January 2022, Trump Media instead turned to a smaller accounting firm to conduct the audit, BF Borgers, which has less than stellar record with regulators. The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board said it identified multiple deficiencies in every audit it had reviewed from BF Borgers in the past two years, per Bloomberg

Please buy Truth Social stock-- they have cooked the books, but the Donald needs money for his lawyers. Damn some folks are just too dumb.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 03:08 PM
Bro, it’s not even a cult behavior anymore. It’s downright fascist style hate. The similarity to NAZI Germany is, well you know, this is how a dictator is born. What happens after that is never good.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by Swish
So wifey and I saw the movie, eve.

There were no sides taken in the movie. Which is the whole point. The movie is from the perspective of a photojournalist, whose job is to capture the images of the conflict. So she’s literally experience the atrocities from multiple angles in the conflict. There really are no good or bad guys, as morality is judged by the factions themselves, which is more than 2.

The fact that you think this is some liberal leaning movie for leftist shows you’re just taking the word of other people instead of watching the movie yourself.

Just like the typical cult behavior which is conservative America.

I don't think it's a liberal movie. I just thought it was interesting that the liberals are the ones attending the movie. Not the conservatives. That's what the article I linked says. It doesn't really support your argument that conservatives are going to start a civil war. They don't apparently care about this movie.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 08:24 PM
He doesn't really need to support the argument that conservatives are going to start a civil war. Republican extremist politicians are supporting that message................

In Georgia, state Sen. Colton Moore warned politico-turned-podcaster Steve Bannon that any prosecution of Trump would lead to a likely civil war. “I don’t want to have to draw my rifle,” Moore said. Concerningly, Moore also seemed to imply that Georgia state troopers would be willing participants in any effort to bust Trump out of jail. That last bit may be fantastical thinking on Moore’s part, but he’s hardly alone.

Former Georgia Republican gubernatorial candidate Kandiss Taylor also lent her voice to the chorus of war cries, describing Trump’s indictments as “treason” and “a hijacking of our country,” telling podcaster William Wallis, “This is war, and I hope and pray it gets resolves before we use guns…we’re at war right now, a war for our freedom.”

Moore and Taylor are admittedly fringe figures — Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp unceremoniously rejected Moore’s call to remove Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from office, while Taylor finished a distant last place in her party primary. But the right’s calls to violence aren’t just coming from local politicians in and around Atlanta. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who in 2008 served as the GOP’s vice presidential standard-bearer, assured Newsmax’s Eric Bolling that a civil war is “going to happen” if prosecutors don’t drop all charges against Trump.

“Those who are conducting this travesty and creating this two-tier system of justice […]we’re not going to keep putting up with this,” Palin told Bolling. “I like that you suggested that we need to get angry. We need to rise up and take our country back.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4187490-republicans-just-cant-stop-calling-for-civil-war/

GOP Rep. Maddock on tape: ‘We’re going to have a civil war or some sort of revolution’

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/08...-a-civil-war-or-some-sort-of-revolution/

Madison Cawthorn Is Openly Talking About Civil War at This Point

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...ly-talking-about-civil-war-at-this-point
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/16/24 08:50 PM
He does, since he said it.

As for the rest, I dont read your pedantic blah blah blah.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 02:45 PM
It's funny how if you don't want to hear it you won't read quotes from actual Republican politicians. That amounts to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "La, la, la, la ,la ,la."

These are elected Republicans talking about a civil war. Of course you don't want to read it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 02:57 PM
That's because this:

Originally Posted by PitDAWG
GOP Rep. Maddock on tape: ‘We’re going to have a civil war or some sort of revolution’

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/08...-a-civil-war-or-some-sort-of-revolution/


Always ends up being more like this:

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“If the government continues to weaponize these departments against conservatives and the citizens that are then the taxpayers, you know what’s going to happen to this country?” Matt Maddock is heard asking the crowd.

Someone responded “communism.”

“The goal is communism, right?” Maddock continued. “Or Marxism, the Democrats’ dream, right? But what’s going to happen before that? Someone’s going to get so pissed off, they’re going to shoot someone,”’said Maddock. “That’s what’s going to happen. Or we’re going to have a civil war or some sort of revolution. That’s where this is going. And when that happens, we’re going to get squashed. The people here are going to be the first ones to go.”

I didn't even bother with the other two, it will be more of the same.

But people like you frame it as someone "calling for civil war". After eight straight years of hair on fire bullshxt stories, nobody is paying attention or lending any credence to sound-byte-drive-by conspiracy theories. But please, post some more. Let me know if you want any of the 50 links from lefty news sources warning of "civil war".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 03:13 PM
Yes, he is peddling the lie that the justice system is being weaponized and saying "“That’s what’s going to happen. Or we’re going to have a civil war or some sort of revolution. That’s where this is going."

That's exactly how it goes. The claim is if democrats don't stop what they're doing there will be a civil war. I don't know how much more plain it can be than that. And we've already gotten a whiff of how that looks. I have no idea how people can look at the lead up to Jan. 6th and not recognize what's going on here.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 03:56 PM
Johnson moving forward with Ukraine aid bill amid pressure from hardliners

Speaker Mike Johnson announced Wednesday he is sticking with his plan to put a series of foreign aid bills on the floor, including funding for Ukraine, after facing significant pressure from hardliners.

Johnson said in a note to members that they will vote on these Saturday evening.

The speaker has been facing mounting pressure to make tweaks to the foreign aid package proposed earlier this week – and not just from his most right-wing members. While conservative House Freedom caucus members have been sounding the alarm on border security and the foreign aid bills since Tuesday’s caucus meeting, the shouts have now spilled into the rank and file.

Moderate New York Republican Rep. Nicole Malliotakis on Wednesday the speaker “go back to Biden & Schumer and tell them he needs a border security measure to pass foreign aid.” Johnson said in his letter to members that he will bring forward an immigration bill that looks like the House’s HR 2.

It all adds up to the most intense pressure that Johnson has faced over his future in his short time as speaker. Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky on Tuesday said he would co-sponsor Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s motion to vacate, which would boot Johnson from the speakership if it passed, leading the speaker to defiantly tell reporters that he would not be resigning.

With Republicans only controlling the House by a razor-thin margin, Johnson may need Democrats to pass the foreign aid bills – and save his job should the motion to vacate come to the floor.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/17/politics/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid/index.html

Now we'll get to watch MTG and her thugs go to bat for Putin!
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:05 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It's funny how if you don't want to hear it you won't read quotes from actual Republican politicians. That amounts to sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "La, la, la, la ,la ,la."

These are elected Republicans talking about a civil war. Of course you don't want to read it.

Some rando politician isn't going to start a civil war. It has to come from the base. The base can't even bother to go watch a movie about a current scenario civil war.


Once again you are cherry picking. Taking the words of some rando and trying to apply it to everybody.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:19 PM
The base is listenning to the Republicans they voted for. That's why it's so dangerous for people in power to say these things. I guess you weren't paying attention to what led up to Jan. 6th.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:23 PM
Not really. You are so out of touch with reality. You shake in your boots over what some rando state politician says. I feel sorry for you. Libtards should stop being lemmings and should start thinking for themselves.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:31 PM
I'm not shaking in my boots. I'm prepared for it. Have been for many years now. I'm guessing more prepared than you are. And it's not "one politician". You totally ignore it was the words of politicians and his cronies that caused Jan. 6th. Why? Because you don't want to admit it. The reality is the actual words that come out of their mouths. Jan. 6th was the perfect example of what lemmings look like. Blindly following to the point that there were over 500 counts of assaulting police officers and an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. It's not my fault you're too blind to see it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That's why it's so dangerous for people in power to say these things.

But only when Republicans say it, right?


https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-we-headed-for-another-civil-war/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/is-the-us-headed-for-another-civil-war/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/16/opinions/us-brink-of-civil-war-hoffman-ware/index.html

https://news.uchicago.edu/us-headed-toward-another-civil-war-william-howell

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/21/political-violence-2024-magazine-00093028

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/11/1071...n-civil-war-but-this-time-in-every-state

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/09/is-the-us-really-heading-for-a-second-civil-war


It's okay to talk about civil war as long as you're blaming the fantasy on Trump. thumbsup


Meanwhile, on the left, everything but ice cream is a "threat to democracy".
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:50 PM
I understand your confusion. One side is warning of democrats don''t change their ways or if they don't take power there may be a civil war. Democrats are pointing out that the other side is warning and or calling for a civil war. I can see why you may not be able to see the difference. One side is hinting they may start a civil war. The other side is warning they may start a civil war.

In your world you somehow think that's the same thing.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:57 PM
MTG defends her call to split up the US by saying the country is moving towards another civil war: 'We have to do something about it'

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene defended her position that the US should be split up into separate "red" and "blue" states by saying another civil war is looming.

The far-right Republican appeared on Fox News on Tuesday, where host Sean Hannity questioned her about her position, and how division in the US could be healed without a split.

Greene responded by saying that she doesn't want a civil war, but that the country was moving towards one and action needs to be taken.

"The last thing I ever want to see in America is a civil war. No one wants that — at least everyone I know would never want that — but it's going that direction, and we have to do something about it," she said.

Greene also claimed that everyone she talks to is "sick and tired and fed up with being bullied by the left, abused by the left, and disrespected by the left."

"Our ideas, our policies and our ways of life have become so far apart that it's just coming to that point," she added.

Greene posted a message on Twitter on Monday, Presidents' Day, calling for a "national divorce."

"We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government," she said.

She described it not as a civil war but "a legal agreement to separate our ideological and political disagreements by states while maintaining our legal union."

Hannity on Tuesday asked Greene if she believed that there could be a working relationship between the left and right, or if there was a "growing move" towards a split because the "divide is so deep."

Greene responded by saying she thinks "this is a much bigger movement than most people in Washington even realize."

She added that the response to her message "should tell people a lot."

As of Wednesday morning, her tweet had 77,000 likes and 10,400 retweets.

Greene's initial comments were heavily criticized by Democrats and some Republicans.

Utah's Republican governor said in a tweet that Greene's "rhetoric is destructive and wrong and—honestly—evil."

"We don't need a divorce, we need marriage counseling," Gov. Spencer Cox said. "And we need elected leaders that don't profit by tearing us apart."

White House spokesperson Robyn Patterson, meanwhile, told the Daily Beast that "Congresswoman Greene's comments are sick, divisive, and alarming to hear from a member of the House Oversight and Homeland Security Committees."

https://www.businessinsider.com/mtg-defends-call-split-up-us-says-civil-war-looming-2023-2

So according to MTG it's either The Divided states of America or a civil war. Yeah, I don't think that's what the democrats are saying. rofl

#falseequivalency
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 04:57 PM
In my world it's not a bogeyman.

The only ones that make it such are the TDS folk that post and repost the same soundbites, devoid of context, and scream that the sky is falling.

70% of the population doesn't care, give it a second thought, buy-in or promote it. 29% parrots the trash, usually out of context, and posts it as some scaredy-cat warning that the evil GOP is plotting to destroy them and steal their gardens, I doubt any of them actually believe it.

1% is shaking in their boots. The 29% acts like we all should be.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 05:01 PM
Yeah, such political speak didn't lead up to Jan. 6th. According to you we should ignore precedent and act like it never happened. Free the hostages, right? Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It sounds like you and your ilk are doomed to watching it repeated.

I don't need to shake it my boots. I'm prepared for it. That started long before trump and the crazy far right had anything going on. I watched what happened and learned from Jan. 6th. You obviously didn't.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 05:09 PM
I'm glad you're armed and ready. I guess you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for warning the rest of us, on my way to buy an AR as we speak.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 05:20 PM
I won't be coming after anyone. I won't be starting the conflict. I'm sorry you lack the comprehension to see who that will be. But I will defend my family to the best of may ability. I think you would do the same if you owned an AR. By all means exercise your right to bear arms.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:34 PM
You are definitely shaking in your boots. Scared crapless over what rando state politicians say. Stop being a lemming. You probably believe MTG also.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm glad you're armed and ready. I guess you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for warning the rest of us, on my way to buy an AR as we speak.

LOLOL Pits gonna run to the movie theater to watch the civil war movie just like swish. So he can be prepared. rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
You are definitely shaking in your boots. Scared crapless over what rando state politicians say. Stop being a lemming. You probably believe MTG also.

rofl

I believe all of these republican politicians have influence over their voters. That's because I'm not a moron.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm glad you're armed and ready. I guess you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for warning the rest of us, on my way to buy an AR as we speak.

LOLOL Pits gonna run to the movie theater to watch the civil war movie just like swish. So he can be prepared. rofl

I'm always prepared for your kind. Been that way since the early 80's. My dad was a Master Sergeant in the Army. I don't need no stinking movie. I've been firing weapons since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

Try again oh foolish one.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:46 PM
LOL You think that because your Dad was in the army it translates into gun skills? I must have gun skills also because my Dad was in the airforce and the FBI. My brother was in the marines and fought in Iraq. Some of his gun skills must have rubbed off on me also. Hell, I must have war skills since my bro fought in a war.


rofl rofl rofl
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:54 PM
Never forget who the far right wing of the republican party is supporting in their efforts to cut aid to Ukraine. It's Putin......

Microsoft finds Russian influence operations targeting U.S. election have begun

Microsoft said on Wednesday that Russian online campaigns to influence the upcoming U.S. presidential election kicked into gear over the past 45 days, but at a slower pace than in past elections.

Russia-linked accounts are disseminating divisive content aimed at U.S. audiences, including criticising American support of Ukraine in its war with Russia, researchers at the tech giant said in a report.

The Russian embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment, but the Kremlin said last month it would not meddle in the November U.S. election. It also dismissed U.S. allegations that it orchestrated campaigns to sway the 2016 and 2020 U.S. presidential elections.

While the Russian activity Microsoft observed is not as intense as around the previous elections, it could increase in the coming months, the researchers said.

"Messaging regarding Ukraine - via traditional media and social media - picked up steam over the last two months with a mix of covert and overt campaigns from at least 70 Russia-affiliated activity sets we track," Microsoft said.

The most prolific of such Russian campaigns is linked to Russia's Presidential Administration, they added. Another one is aimed at posting disinformation online in various languages, with posts typically starting with an apparent whistleblower or citizen journalist posting content on a video channel. That content is then covered by a network of websites that include DC Weekly, Miami Chronical and The Intel Drop.

"Ultimately, after the narrative has circulated online for a series of days or weeks, U.S. audiences repeat and repost this disinformation, likely unaware of its original source," Microsoft said.

A "notable uptick" has been seen in hacking by a Russian group Microsoft calls Star Blizzard, or Cold River, which is focused on targeting western think tanks, the company said.

"Star Blizzard's current focus on U.S. political figures and policy circles may be the first in a series of hacking campaigns meant to drive Kremlin outcomes headed into November."

Malicious use of artificial intelligence by foreign rivals targeting the U.S. election is a key concern cited by American political observers, but Microsoft said it found that simpler digital forgeries were more common than deepfakes. Audio manipulations have a bigger impact than video, it added.

"Rarely have nation-states' employments of generative AI-enabled content achieved much reach across social media, and in only a few cases have we seen any genuine audience deception from such content," the researchers said.

"The simplest manipulations, not the most complex employment of AI, will likely be the pieces of content that have the most impact."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mi...ting-us-election-have-slowly-2024-04-17/
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm glad you're armed and ready. I guess you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for warning the rest of us, on my way to buy an AR as we speak.

LOLOL Pits gonna run to the movie theater to watch the civil war movie just like swish. So he can be prepared. rofl

Remember when they all made fun of the doomsday preppers?? 🤣

Now we've been sniffing the fumes of "Russia, Russia, Russia!" and Trump starting a Civil War for nearly eight years. They all scream "you better get ready" while they blame the other side for ever mentioning what we may be getting ready for. Very unusual.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by FATE
I'm glad you're armed and ready. I guess you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for warning the rest of us, on my way to buy an AR as we speak.

LOLOL Pits gonna run to the movie theater to watch the civil war movie just like swish. So he can be prepared. rofl

I'm always prepared for your kind. Been that way since the early 80's. My dad was a Master Sergeant in the Army. I don't need no stinking movie. I've been firing weapons since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

Try again oh foolish one.

The party of fairy dust energy, 85 personal pronouns, guns are people and chicks with _____ invading women's sports so their feelings don't get hurt... wants you to know that they will shoot your ass if you don't agree with their politics. 🤣
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:24 PM
Pit would probably faint if my doberman looked at him.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:27 PM
Yes, January 6th was fairy dust. You're ridiculous rants show what you've become. The male version of Eve.

Everyone knows I don't stand for some of the very things you posted.

Your biggest Eve moment for today............

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they will shoot your ass if you don't agree with their politics

Now you've forgotten what the word "defend" means. What a sad little man you have become.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Pit would probably faint if my doberman looked at him.

Since I've owned three Pit Bulls I highly doubt it. Your crazy outbursts indicate you may need help.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Pit would probably faint if my doberman looked at him.

Since I've owned three Pit Bulls I highly doubt it. Your crazy outbursts indicate you may need help.


My doberman has made pitbulls cry and run away.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
The party of fairy dust energy
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, January 6th was fairy dust.

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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
My doberman has made pitbulls cry and run away.

rofl

Well of course it has. That's why the predominant fighting dogs are Dobermans and not Pit bulls. Oops, no, wait a minute!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:36 PM
When facts aren't your friend you can always lean on a mindless meme.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:36 PM
Also, pitbulls are generally friendly dogs. Dobermans are not. They are bred to be personal protection dogs, so their instinct is on protection and not making friends.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:40 PM
My family has owned Dobermans. They were all very friendly. Their Rottweilers too. My wife also owned a Doberman. You're just pulling more BS out of your azz at this point.

I suppose i need to remind you of what you said again.....

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My doberman has made pitbulls cry and run away.

There's no way any Pit Bull I have ever had or seen would run away and cry from a Doberman.

The deadliest dog breed to humans in America are Pit Bulls. Dobermans rank 7th. Anything else?

Top 10 Types Of Dangerous Dogs

https://www.800perkins.com/practice-area/top-10-types-of-dangerous-dogs/
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
When facts aren't your friend you can always lean on a mindless meme.

January 6th was fueled by fairy dust??

Please provide links.

The ones from MSDNC don't count.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
My family has owned Dobermans. They were all very friendly. Their Rottweilers too. My wife also owned a Doberman. You're just pulling more BS out of your azz at this point.

I suppose i need to remind you of what you said again.....

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My doberman has made pitbulls cry and run away.

There's no way any Pit Bull I have ever had or seen would run away and cry from a Doberman.

They are NOT friendly with strangers. They are aloof. If the person is threatening or suspicious then they better stay away.

My dog has made pitbulls cry and run away. My idiot neighbors let their dogs loose and they come up to us while we are walking. My dog is not dog friendly and goes after them. Thats a fact.

My dog is a bad ass. One day an intruder man jumped my back yard fence and came into the yard. Kobe ran out there barking like he was going to murder him. That man started screaming and jumped back over the fence and left.

Nobody will be breaking into my house. I dont even have to get the guns out.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Also, pitbulls are generally friendly dogs.

From the link I provided you..................

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1. Pit bull

Pit bulls caused 66 fatalities over the course of the study, ranking it as the most deadly dog breed. The American Pit Bull Terrier has consistently been the breed of choice in the highly-illegal sport of dogfighting, and it is known for its intimidating and aggressive nature.

Nobody broke into my house either I can assure you of that. Also from my link.....

Over the exact same period of time Pit bulls killed 66 people while Dobermans killed 9.

But please do keep going......
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
When facts aren't your friend you can always lean on a mindless meme.

January 6th was fueled by fairy dust??

Please provide links.

I'm sorry obvious sarcasm flew over your head but not surprised by it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, January 6th was fairy dust. You're ridiculous rants show what you've become. The male version of Eve.

Everyone knows I don't stand for some of the very things you posted.

#ObviousSarcasm
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:04 PM
Your stats are worthless because pitbulls are by far the most common dog breed being overbred and found in shelters. Dobermans are not nearly a common breed. They arent a poor persons breed.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, January 6th was fairy dust.

#ObviousSarcasm

That part was. But I understand you refuse to admit that. I expect no less.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Your stats are worthless because pitbulls are by far the most common dog breed being overbred and found in shelters. Dobermans are not nearly a common breed. They arent a poor persons breed.

A United Kennel Club pedigree Pit Bull isn't a poor persons dog either. You're still making excuses for your Doberman.


Originally Posted by EveDawg
Also, pitbulls are generally friendly dogs.

Quote
1. Pit bull

Pit bulls caused 66 fatalities over the course of the study, ranking it as the most deadly dog breed. The American Pit Bull Terrier has consistently been the breed of choice in the highly-illegal sport of dogfighting, and it is known for its intimidating and aggressive nature.

Turns out that was another lie.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Your stats are worthless because pitbulls are by far the most common dog breed being overbred and found in shelters. Dobermans are not nearly a common breed. They arent a poor persons breed.

A United Kennel Club pedigree Pit Bull isn't a poor persons dog either. You're still making excuses for your Doberman.


Originally Posted by EveDawg
Also, pitbulls are generally friendly dogs.

Quote
1. Pit bull

Pit bulls caused 66 fatalities over the course of the study, ranking it as the most deadly dog breed. The American Pit Bull Terrier has consistently been the breed of choice in the highly-illegal sport of dogfighting, and it is known for its intimidating and aggressive nature.

Turns out that was another lie.

I've met tons of pitbulls and they have happy go lucky personalities. They are not protection dogs like dobermans are. They are not highly trainable like dobermans are. They have not been used for military and police like dobermans have.

Poor people arent buying show dogs. They are rolling up to the shelter and choosing a free pitbull from the 25 available.

Dobermans arent a poor persons dog not just because they are expensive to obtain, but because you cant just get one and expect it to lay around the house. They are working dogs and need daily exercise and training. Poor people wont be doing that. They arent responsible dog owners. That why poor people have pit bulls. They are a lazy breed that "looks tough"
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:32 PM
Mmmm hmmm. Pit Bulls are the most muscle bound dogs there are. You are so desperate here it's at the point you're no longer worth the effort. I'm sure you believe you know more about this than the people who are experts on the topic so you go right ahead and believe that. Carry on....
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:36 PM
Pit is an expert of every subject.

He's got the whatabouts to prove it.

As soon as you prove him wrong, we'll go from dog breeds to Trump not cleaning his cat's litter box, in the space of three sentences... and then he'll tell you to take your L.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:39 PM
Being musclebound means nothing. Look at all the deformed musclebound american bullies who are bred to be friendly. People breed dogs to look however they like. Its the dogs mind that matters. Dobermans and Pitbulls have nearly the same bite force.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Pit is an expert of every subject.

I have owned three Pit Bulls and I actually used a source that states facts on the topic.

Quote
He's got the whatabouts to prove it.

Nothing I posted about this topic is a whatabout.

Quote
As soon as you prove him wrong, we'll go from dog breeds to Trump not cleaning his cat's litter box, in the space of three sentences... and then he'll tell you to take your L.

And we'll keep watching you play the roll of a troll. You posted nothing of substance or that addressed the topic at all. Only cheap shots because when you have nothing of substance cheap shots are all you have left.
Posted By: FATE Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:46 PM
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Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Being musclebound means nothing. Look at all the deformed musclebound american bullies who are bred to be friendly. People breed dogs to look however they like. Its the dogs mind that matters. Dobermans and Pitbulls have nearly the same bite force.

So Dobermans have "nearly" the bite force of a Pit Bull..... Now if dobermans could only lock their jaws like a Pit Bull.

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How do you get a pitbull to release its bite?

Break Stick - PIT BULL RESCUE CENTRAL

Sometimes you need to work the stick in just a bit if the gap is small. The stick should be inserted from ½ to 1½ inches into the dog's mouth. Turn the stick as if you're twisting the throttle of a motorcycle. This action will cause the dog to readjust its grip, and it will bite onto the stick, releasing the other dog.

https://www.pbrc.net/breakstick.html#/

Yep, it's the same thing....
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:54 PM
Another mindless meme for the L! rofl
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Being musclebound means nothing. Look at all the deformed musclebound american bullies who are bred to be friendly. People breed dogs to look however they like. Its the dogs mind that matters. Dobermans and Pitbulls have nearly the same bite force.

So Dobermans have "nearly" the bite force of a Pit Bull..... Now if dobermans could only lock their jaws like a Pit Bull.

Quote
How do you get a pitbull to release its bite?

Break Stick - PIT BULL RESCUE CENTRAL

Sometimes you need to work the stick in just a bit if the gap is small. The stick should be inserted from ½ to 1½ inches into the dog's mouth. Turn the stick as if you're twisting the throttle of a motorcycle. This action will cause the dog to readjust its grip, and it will bite onto the stick, releasing the other dog.

https://www.pbrc.net/breakstick.html#/

Yep, it's the same thing....

Pretty sure all dogs can do this. Pitbulls dont have any special anatomy.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:00 PM
I have lost count of how many times your argument has shifted since this began. rofl
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:01 PM
Have you heard of bite sports? Shutzhund?

Since you probably never heard about it, its the sport where the dog is trained to attack a person, grab their arm, latch on and try to take them down. The person is wearing protective gear. The dogs are highly trained and highly obediant. Dobermans are often used for this. Pitbulls not so much.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:03 PM
I can go on for ages about dobermans because they are the best breed. And I love my boy so much. thumbsup
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:04 PM
German Sheperds are most often used for this, not Dobermans.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:06 PM
No, Belgian Malenois are the trend of the day for that sport. I know someone who professionally trains dogs for it. But, dobies are still used.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:25 PM
What you are describing is very similar to how police dogs are trained. Only a few subtle differences. The main difference is the people you are speaking about do it as a sport, a pass time. Police use breeds they depend on when their life is on the line. I'm going to have to side with people that depend on their life and not for sport.

Pit Bulls rank 6th on the list. Dobermans rank 10th.

https://www.wvnstv.com/news/local-news/what-are-the-top-10-police-dog-breeds/

But you go with the people that do it for sport rather than protecting their life if that suits you.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Republicans-still at it-again - 04/17/24 09:32 PM
I have to lmao at pitbulls being used for any police work. They are a useless breed.

Do you want to know why dobermans fell out of favor for police and military?

They do a tremendous job but bond so strongly with their handler that they quit working if their handler is killed or quits.


That is typical doberman. They bond super strong to their person. They are known as velcro dogs. My boy is a mommas boy and always needs to be near me. He would give his life for me.
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