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Re: What Now bonefish 12/26/25 12:16 AM
Here is a great research project.

Find out how to win in the NFL without competent quarterback play.

You can track teams and head coaches. Say a head coach like Andy Reid. Fired from Philadelphia couldn't win the big one.

Hired by KS. Drafts Mahomes and what happened?

Tom Brady leaves NE. Where did Bill Belichick go?

Mike Vrabel fired by the Titans. Hired by NE all of a sudden he is winning? Why?

Is there a correlation between winning and quarterback play? Or, is it culture?

Do you win with a HOF tackle like Joe Thomas?

Do you win with the best pass rusher like Myles Garrett?

In the last 20 years of the draft how many of the first picks have been quarterbacks?

The team with the worst record drafts first. Who do they select?

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Re: Browns News 6.0 lampdogg 12/26/25 12:05 AM
He’s a career backup. If they have to settle for Mason I’ll do cartwheels across my living room floor
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Re: Media and Shedeur FORTBROWNFAN 12/25/25 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by 10YrOvernightSuccess
There were more than a few of us wringing hands about the fact they they didn't really address OL last off season. I've wondered if Berry didn't expect to try to solve it in the draft but then he (rightfully) couldn't resist the way certain players fell to him and it just went away from OL. I don't quibble with his 2025 draft, except maybe the two QB tango.. which would have been the perfect rounds to get guards and backup tackles. But there were plenty of people worried about our super injury prone and thin OL heading into game 1. Saw it a mile away.

We're going to need at least 5 new guys next year. Damn near the whole room. Problem is I've read how a more teams have critical need at OL than most years and there'll likely be a lot of competition for FA's, trades and draft. I expect a few early picks but I'd have half my scouts looking at small and off brand schools for big chunks of quality clay on day two, three and after.

The pick made right after the Browns selected Dillon Gabriel was Jared Wilson G/C from Georgia who has been a starter on New England's offensive line all season. Gabriel was selected 2 rounds earlier than projected and Wilson would have been a great get for the Browns. That was far and away the biggest miss in the 2025 NFL draft for the Browns.

For the 5th time, Gabriel was not selected 2 rounds earlier than he was projected, at least by most of the reputable "experts". He certainly was on a few; most had as Rd 3-4. When we drafted him I searched multiple sites and only 1 or 2 had in the 4-5 range, not even specifically round 5. Most was 3-4 and a few others round 3.
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Re: What Now mgh888 12/25/25 06:56 PM
One is a credible report from a respected journalist... One I don't particularly care for ... The other statement is a PR statement by a new employer going to work for his son.

I'm not sure either item is conclusive or more compelling than the other.... Journalists write opinion pieces and click bait. Even good ones. New employees rarely make PR statements proclaiming they would have preferred to stay at their last gig.

It's plausible Callaghan would have stayed. It's plausible he was always going to go work for his son.
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Re: Merry Christmas! 3rd_and_20 12/25/25 06:52 PM
Merry Christmas everybody!
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Re: Merry Christmas! PitDAWG 12/25/25 06:28 PM
Merry Christmas to, as they say in Tennessee, "all y'all"!
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 06:25 PM
You believe the voice of others over the actual words and quotes from the person we are discussing. Good luck with that........................

Bill Callahan is “fired up” to be coaching with his son, Brian

“I just felt compelled to help him,” Bill Callahan said. “I felt that at this juncture of my career – God willing, how many years do I have left? — I just really wanted to help him. I wanted to help the Titans, and help him succeed. It was really kind of a no-brainer in that regard. It’s family, and I want to see him succeed just like any parent wants to see their children succeed. It’s rare; it’s unique, and so, yeah, I’m fired up about it.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...red-up-to-be-coaching-with-his-son-brian

“It’s a dream come true,” Bill told NBC News. “We’re proud of Brian, as we are of all of our children, but this is really a unique and a rare situation that we’re in right now.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/dream-come-true-why-titans-182530662.html

So you value the opinions of others more than actual quotes from Callahan?
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 06:18 PM
So then Berry helps make the game plan. rolleyes

PR statements are great and some are gullible enough to buy into them.
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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/25/25 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
One is the HC and the other one is the GM. Stop acting like each one has the same job and responsibilities.

That's like asking why Berry isn't calling any of the plays. Both sound ridiculous.
Another misconception and why some fail to identifying the core problem.

According to themselves and the owner the leadership take all crucial decisions together. Especially trading away a number one pick who took the team to the playoffs and later give away $230m guaranteed to a sexual predator.

Honestly, can it be that hard?
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Merry Christmas! YTownBrownsFan 12/25/25 05:15 PM
Merry Christmas everyone. I pray that the hope, peace, joy, and love of the season will fill your hearts, and remain with you all year round!

Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to all!
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Re: What Now YTownBrownsFan 12/25/25 05:11 PM
Report Indicates Browns Lost Key Coach Over Costly Decision
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/onsi/...owns-lost-key-coach-over-costly-decision

The Cleveland Browns decision to move on from offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt last offseason may have cost the franchise much more

After an embarrassing 3-14 season, the Cleveland Browns are left trying to answer why things things went poorly in 2024?

That question starts on the offensive side of the ball, where Cleveland boasted one of the worst offenses in the history of football for the first seven weeks of the season with quarterback Deshaun Watson under center. The embattled QB was certainly part of the problem – a major reason why his absence following a season-ending Achilles injury seemed to benefit the team. Watson was hardly the only issue though.

A veteran offensive line that once was a strength of the Browns regressed massively under new o-line coach Andy Dickerson, leading to Mike Vrabel – serving as a consultant last year – working closely with the group as the season wore on. The orgins of Cleveland's o-line struggles, however, could be traced back to the team allowing legendary position coach Bill Callahan out of his contract to go coach with his son Brian Callahan, who became the head coach of the Tennessee Titans.


At the time it looked liked the Browns simply doing right by a father, by allowing him the unique opportunity to coach with his kid. A new piece by Jason Lloyd of The Athletic paints a much different picture though.

According to Lloyd, some within the Browns believed Callahan was more inclined to stay with the franchise if they hadn't previously fired offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt earlier in the offseason.

"I’ve spoken to players who believe Callahan would have stayed had Van Pelt remained on staff — when Brian first started receiving head-coaching interviews in 2023, Bill made clear he was staying in Cleveland — but all of that seemed to change when Van Pelt was fired," wrote Lloyd. "Andy Dickerson was hired to replace Callahan. The changes were a disaster."

One year later, the organization fired Dickerson and hired former Rice head coach Mike Bloomgren to fill the void left initially by Callahan in 2024.

Meanwhile, Van Pelt's exit at the time may not have seemed like a major deal, particularly because head coach Kevin Stefanski was the team's primary play-caller, it appears the ripple effects of that decision may have been more devastating than it seemed.

To take a QB or not to take a QB? That's what Andrew Berry has to decide with the No. 2 overall pick. But as fans debate what the right move is, here's why drafting out of desperation would be unwise for the Browns: https://t.co/iVNwV9OQ0T

— 𝚂𝚙𝚎𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚛 𝙶𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 (@Spencito_) January 14, 2025
NFL insider Albert Breer of the Sports Illustrated has gone as far as referring to Van Pelt a "glue guy" on Cleveland's staff during his four years on Stefanski's staff. This latest report would certainly give more credence to the idea that he was held in high esteem not only among players but his fellow coaches as well.

It's long been said by the organization that decisions with the coaching staff are made by Stefanski himself. Some reporting suggests, however, that Stefanski was urged to make a change at OC last offseason by forces above his pay grade in an effort to appease Watson.

That decision may not have only cost the Browns one of the best position coaches in the business, but also may have served as an initial source of the teams struggles in 2024.
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Re: Genocide. mgh888 12/25/25 05:06 PM
Belgium joins South Africa's genocide case against Israel | The Times of Israel https://share.google/OSxgqckCzv6AIedIC

Countries are at least paying attention... Even if the so called Christians of Dawgtalkers are blind to the atrocities being committed
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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/25/25 05:01 PM
If we draft a qb in n 2026 we still have a roster full of holes.
What do you think will happen with a weak oline and without an elite WR1?
Sacks after sacks. Drops after drops. Six seven games in he will be labeled as a failure too.

The Kevin Stefanski experience.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 04:47 PM
One is the HC and the other one is the GM. Stop acting like each one has the same job and responsibilities.

That's like asking why Berry isn't calling any of the plays. Both sound ridiculous.
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Re: What Now Floquinho 12/25/25 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The two years he had a talented roster he made the playoffs. One of those years was with a Flacco they pulled off the couch.
Excellent point!

So why in the fekking hell didn’t he and his genius companion continue to build around that young talented quarterback? Imagine 3 first round picks and a favorable salary situation. How fuqqing stupid can you be?

The common theme is bad decision making. One step forward, two steps back.
Inability to evaluate talents. Inability to develop talent. Inability to keep talent.
A ongoing drama. Conflicts.

Our results have a downward spiral. We’re undisciplined. Players seem to give up.

A healthy Baker Mayfield have succeed with all of his OC, two of them has been promoted to head coaches. Two division titles. I’m not sure Stefanski should take credit for Mayfield’s success. Joe Flacco was a former SB winner, almost 100 years old. Again, I don’t think the smartest guy in the room should take credit in that case either.

Two playoff games in charge and out coached and out smarted in both.
3-14 in 2024 and on his way to another disastrous season.

One of the worst head coaches in the NFL! Results don’t lie.
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Re: Media and Shedeur 3rd_and_20 12/25/25 04:32 PM
I've never seen more people wear Cleveland Browns shirts then the day Sanders started here in Ohio. Lots of girls were wearing T-shirts too. Made me feel good. Most of the people I work with are black and they like it that SS is too. Hopefully things will work out with him for us Browns fans. Who knows? We'll see.
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Re: Rob Reiner PitDAWG 12/25/25 04:22 PM
It's streaming on Netflix now.
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Re: Rob Reiner 3rd_and_20 12/25/25 04:19 PM
Thanks for letting me know about it, Pit, but from the preview it looks only so-so. I'll most likely wait until I can stream it or get it at the library.
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Re: What Now bonefish 12/25/25 03:54 PM
Once the draft order is in place.

The strategy will become more clear.

I am not yet dialed in on the quarterbacks. Mendoza gets a lotta love from many.

I don't see how Moore does not come out if in fact he is a top five pick.

Simpson is probably 50/50 school or draft.

I don't see how the Browns could pass on a guy they feel strongly about?
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
Once Flacco was traded. The intention was "let's see Gabriel and Sanders. One for 6 games the other 7 games.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just read things in the way they are written.
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
Callahan left because of the way the team treated his good friend Alex Van Pelt. I highly, highly doubt that he will ever do anything here ever again.

BS. Callahan left because his son got the HC'ing job with the Titans and he wanted to help build that team with his son. That sounds like a fathers dream come true........................

Bill Callahan says it’s a ‘no-brainer’ to work for his son coaching the Titans’ O-line

https://apnews.com/article/titans-bill-callahan-offensive-line-son-2b4d333bfec0aa6c36a1b6271fa0a807

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Bill Callahan never thought he’d work for his son in the NFL. Not at his age and after all his years in the league.

As Brian Callahan interviewed for head coaching jobs in 2023, father and son talked at length about the idea, leaving Bill convinced he wouldn’t join his son if and when a team hired him.

Then the Tennessee Titans hired Brian in January. With Cleveland’s permission, Bill Callahan said he felt compelled to join his son.

“It really was a kind of a no-brainer in that regard,” said Bill, who turns 68 in July. “So it’s family, and I want to see him succeed. Just like any parent wants to see their children succeed. So, it’s rare. It’s unique. And so, oh yeah I’m fired up about it.”
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Re: Browns News 6.0 Damanshot 12/25/25 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
The whole big question about drafting a quarterback could end Saturday.

The Ravens play the Packers. If the Ravens get beat. The Steelers could rest their starters which of course means Rodgers.

We play the Steelers and if they are not playing for the division. The Browns will probably win that game.

There goes drafting a quarterback. A win will drop the Browns out of the top three. Most likely the quarterback they may covet will be gone.


Isn't the steeler Back up Mason Rudolph?

he's not Chump change... They can win with him.... No worries
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Re: What Now PitDAWG 12/25/25 03:40 PM
The two years he had a talented roster he made the playoffs. One of those years was with a Flacco they pulled off the couch.
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Re: What Now YTownBrownsFan 12/25/25 03:36 PM
Callahan left because of the way the team treated his good friend Alex Van Pelt. I highly, highly doubt that he will ever do anything here ever again.
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