I understand, its hard enough listening to Bengal and Steelers fans run on our Browns let alone our own "fans"and there is a difference between truth and sarcasm ...
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John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Johnny has always reminded me of Doug Flutie. Nimble, smart, has a knack for winning. Was considered too small but knows how to produce. He took Texas a&m into Tuscaloosa and broke hearts down there.
Screw it, I'm all in with Manziel. Start him at home and see what happens.
Johnny Manziel runs, the running backs can't and Scott Solomon's rise interrupted: Browns observations
I picked the Browns to lose on Sunday. I certainly didn't think they'd lose like that. I expected a close, low-scoring game that perhaps the Browns could steal and prove me wrong. I'd have been fine with that.
It didn't happen, and the long string of season-opening frustration continues. Dealing with Marcus Mariota next week won't exactly be a picnic either.
Here are some observations from Sunday's loss.
Johnny out of pocket
Johnny Manziel didn't look lost on Sunday, not to the level he did last season. Still, it's hard to be sold on anything based off of what he showed.
My biggest concern: hanging in the pocket. On both fourth quarter turnovers, Manziel failed to move within the pocket and instead bailed at the first hint of trouble.
Here's the first:
There's the pocket. It's not huge, but it's there.
Unfortunately, the minute it starts to collapse, instead of moving around, he takes off. He ends up running into Alex Mack and fumbling. Instead of sliding to the open space, he runs himself into pressure.
Here's the second turnover. It's a little hard to tell, but Joe Thomas pushes linebacker Trevor Reilly (57) past the play. You can see Reilly starting to recover here. Manziel has room to step up in the pocket and buy more time:
Except he doesn't step up. He starts scrambling. To his right. Guess who has a full head of steam behind him heading that same direction:
Instead of continuing to work within the pocket, he runs himself right into the line of fire and turns it over.
Manziel fell victim to some drops and the offensive line isn't blameless -- they failed him a few times. It's fair to point out that his receivers didn't help him getting open. It will be interesting to see the All-22.
The concern here, though, is Manziel's unwillingness -- or inability -- to stay in the pocket and allow plays to develop. Just look at the pocket he abandoned way too quickly in the second quarter:
About that line
One area where the line struggled was in the running game. There were instances when the backs, especially Isaiah Crowell, missed openings or just didn't get to them fast enough. But there were also plenty of instances where the holes just weren't there. The Jets defense is really good. Maybe that's why. We'll find out quickly.
Solomon's sad song
I feel bad for Scott Solomon. This is a guy finally getting an opportunity after getting cut four times before landing with the Browns. I wrote about him here. When he got carted off, I couldn't help but feel for him. We'll find out more about his injury soon, but it's a reminder of how cruel the NFL can be.
Thank you PBlack for sharing...once again you are the man. Oh OH we have to stop this.
1. As stated in game day stuff...Our OL did very well in pass blocking.
2. First set of pictures...What the heck is Greco doing? he should have looked inside not go out to Shwartz who had his guy - Manziel had a shot to run if Greco sealed the inside.
3. Manziel has to understand that JOE THOMAS IS THE MASTER...especially in PASS PRO!!! That is where you take off to...oh take one step right to influence the interior DL but there will alway be a clear B Gap as JT will always drive his man back and around. On a rare occasion his mand will go to bull rush or inside rush again JT usually has him under control but it would be easy to slide left around that.
4. In most those pictures. The check down is to the left...3-5 yard pass to a guy in open with possible YAC. Manziel has to learn to take that not alway look downfield deep for the HR...we do not want a Dave Kingman. Yeah we want a guy to hit the HR on a mistake...but we want a solid QB to get that much needed, Single, Double and Triple!!
Jmho
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such total bs in some of these posts and yea Pit your post stepped in.
Anyway from Pet's presser, it sounds like it will likely be Johnny on Sunday.
Tony Grossi ‏@TonyGrossi 13m13 minutes ago So Pettine says McCown wont practice before Fri. & Manziel's throws have to be limited. Week 2.
Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 29m29 minutes ago #Browns HC Mike Pettine: QB Johnny Manziel to be limited in individual drills w/ right elbow, should be able to do it all in team periods.
Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 28m28 minutes ago #Browns Pettine said QB Austin Davis will get some reps with first team this week. "He'll be prepared''
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Browns Josh McCown can't practice until at least Friday; Johnny Manziel might start vs. Titans
BEREA, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Josh McCown won't be cleared to practice until Friday with his concussion and Mike Pettine will make his decision then on whether or not McCown will start Sunday against the Titans.
If McCown isn't ready, Johnny Manziel will make his second career start, and he'll go against fellow Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota.
But Manziel is still suffering from elbow tendinitis and will be limited today. Pettine said he'll hold him out of position drills and save him for the all-important team work.
Quarterback Austin Davis, who would serve as Manziel's backup, will also get some reps with the starters.
"He'll be prepared,'' said Pettine.
McCown, who suffered the concussion on his dive into the end zone against the Jets, will be outside watching practice today.
Pettine re-iterated that Manziel did some good things in the 31-10 loss to the Jets, but unnecessarily put himself in harm's way on a long scramble and also turned the ball over three times. Manziel earned a 41.2 rating in the second half after his stellar 149.3 mark in the first half, during which he threw a 54-yard TD pass to Travis Benjamin.
Browns QBs: Josh McCown practicing and Johnny Manziel's on a pitch count, but other than that ..
As the QB carousel spins: At the start of the work week for Game 2 of the season, the home opener against Tennessee, here is the Browns’ situation at quarterback:
* Starter Josh McCown remains in concussion protocol. Coach Mike Pettine said the earliest McCown could practice is Friday.
* Backup Johnny Manziel is the starter for the next two days, at least. However, Pettine said that the club still has to manage Manziel’s volume of throws during the week because of “natural soreness” in his right elbow.
* Third-stringer Austin Davis, who was signed 10 days ago, will receive some backup reps. If McCown is inactive on Sunday, Davis would be the backup to Manziel against the Titans.
* Matt Blanchard, the former Div. III quarterback signed to the practice squad on Tuesday, will assist in throwing to receivers in individual reps to ease the load on Manziel and also will get some reps on scout team.
Here’s what Pettine said about limiting Manziel’s throws in practice:
“I just think we have to be mindful of it. We don’t want to say, let’s go ahead and throw it. We’ll limit the number of downfield throws. We’re not going to let it handcuff how we practice. The team reps to me are the most important. So I would rather take fewer throws in individual, just be cautious in individual as opposed to give him the full workload. Just want to make sure he can make all the throws in the team drills, which we don’t feel is an issue.
“I don’t think that he can’t (carry a full practice load), it’s just being prudent. Just getting him ramped back up. We feel he’s past it but there’s going to be some natural soreness. But if there are throws he doesn’t have to take early in practice, we’ll make sure the bulk of his throws comes in team period.”
I recently had tendinitis in my forearm and elbow.
At first it was very painful. Then when I would aggravate it, it flared up. When not in use, I barely felt more than a dull ache. But when I used my arm the pain flared up.
Limiting my usage and changing the way I did things to use my left arm more for basic tasks, helped it heal, and it eventually just became a dull achy pain when used a lot during the day.
Even then it took me 8-10 weeks to get to the point where ALL pain was gone, but pain so bad it affected the way I functioned only lasted a week or 2, after that it was more of an annoyance than a hindrance.
I imagine the stress on a throwing arm is a lot more than my usage, so his may take longer to heal, though it's true affect on function is minimal.
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We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
I think one thing that is being overlooked is that Johnny wasn't taking all the snaps with the ones that Josh was before the Jets game. That has to play a factor on how prepared he was.
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The thing I think that is much different than your situation, is that Manziel has had this issue since high school. It seems this is a chronic condition rather than a single incident.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think one thing that is being overlooked is that Johnny wasn't taking all the snaps with the ones that Josh was before the Jets game. That has to play a factor on how prepared he was.
Yes, Joe Thomas said in his post game interview that Johnny had not taken any snaps with the 1's that week, nor could he remember the last time he even took snaps on the scout team.
I'm assuming that if we get to our 3rd QB before we are out of week 2, that it will be a new record to put on our record of futility?
i think thats right. this tendinitis thing really bothers me. how long has it been from where it first came up? 6 weeks? 8 weeks?
I seem to remember it becoming an issue after week 2 of the preseason, the game in which Manziel looked good, McCown looked bad, and people started wondering if we really had a QB competition going again.. it was shortly after that they announced that they were shutting Manziel down for the rest of the preseason so that would have been about 3 weeks ago.
I think one thing that is being overlooked is that Johnny wasn't taking all the snaps with the ones that Josh was before the Jets game. That has to play a factor on how prepared he was.
Yes, Joe Thomas said in his post game interview that Johnny had not taken any snaps with the 1's that week, nor could he remember the last time he even took snaps on the scout team.
In the post game presser, didn't manziel say the same thing? I'm pretty sure he was asked and he answered that he'd not taken any snaps
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I recently had tendinitis in my forearm and elbow.
At first it was very painful. Then when I would aggravate it, it flared up. When not in use, I barely felt more than a dull ache. But when I used my arm the pain flared up.
Limiting my usage and changing the way I did things to use my left arm more for basic tasks, helped it heal, and it eventually just became a dull achy pain when used a lot during the day.
Even then it took me 8-10 weeks to get to the point where ALL pain was gone, but pain so bad it affected the way I functioned only lasted a week or 2, after that it was more of an annoyance than a hindrance.
I imagine the stress on a throwing arm is a lot more than my usage, so his may take longer to heal, though it's true affect on function is minimal.
Presumably he's getting much better treatment for his issue than you were...
I recently had tendinitis in my forearm and elbow.
At first it was very painful. Then when I would aggravate it, it flared up. When not in use, I barely felt more than a dull ache. But when I used my arm the pain flared up.
Limiting my usage and changing the way I did things to use my left arm more for basic tasks, helped it heal, and it eventually just became a dull achy pain when used a lot during the day.
Even then it took me 8-10 weeks to get to the point where ALL pain was gone, but pain so bad it affected the way I functioned only lasted a week or 2, after that it was more of an annoyance than a hindrance.
I imagine the stress on a throwing arm is a lot more than my usage, so his may take longer to heal, though it's true affect on function is minimal.
Your experience also makes me consider that NFL players have an advantage of top-of-the-line medical/training staff treating/monitoring his situation. That could account for a quicker progress than you experienced.
Sorry Stetson, I now see you said it before I did.
I'm assuming that if we get to our 3rd QB before we are out of week 2, that it will be a new record to put on our record of futility?
i think thats right. this tendinitis thing really bothers me. how long has it been from where it first came up? 6 weeks? 8 weeks?
I seem to remember it becoming an issue after week 2 of the preseason, the game in which Manziel looked good, McCown looked bad, and people started wondering if we really had a QB competition going again.. it was shortly after that they announced that they were shutting Manziel down for the rest of the preseason so that would have been about 3 weeks ago.
Manziel held out with sore elbow, expected to play in preseason opener
Posted by Zac Jackson on August 11, 2015, 12:04 PM EDT
Johnny Manziel was held out of practice Tuesday with what Browns coach Mike Pettine called “a little elbow soreness” but not a major concern.
Cool, thanks. I had not remembered hearing about it before preseason #1.
By the way, did anybody happen to see what Brandon Marshall does EVERY NIGHT to speed recovery, overcome soreness, etc.?
Now this is a crappy taping of it and they cut some stuff out, he's sitting on an infrared blanket that keeps his lower body warm constantly, he has fitted cold/ice for an ankle or a knee or a shoulder, etc., the boot that he puts on his leg is inflatable, it pumps full of air and pushes any inflammation out of the legs and joints...
This is pretty much irrelevant, but wanted to add this. I get that college/nfl doesn't disclose everything i.e injuries and etc about a player, and we don't get inside info or scouting like the pros.
But with 24/7 coverage of JFF in college one would think eventually his elbow issues would have been brought up sometime in the news with him missing a practice or anything. Maybe I heard about it and memory is failing me, I just googled past college injury stories...only thing that came up was a shoulder and knee injury.
I just find it a little odd we are hearing about it now.
Can anyone tell me if D.M.S.O. is a banned substance for the NFL. If not anyway to get word to Trainer/Manziel/Anyone? Stuff is the best for a lot of things...just have to be careful with it and use it within protocol.
Heal up that Turbin Ankle faster. I used it for many years with a recurring bad Hammy (tore to the bone).
Anyone can PM me to ask about it.
jmhsuggestion for Manziel.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
After reading the board for years I've come to the conclusion that a good portion of the guys on here would gripe about winning the lottery. This team has had a myriad of problems dating back to when Belichick was the coach but I think it's quite possible that they've finally gotten the QB right.
JM is going to have his share of head-scratching games this year but if he plays his way through them, as I think he can, we may actually have a damn good QB on our hands. I'm with Mourg on this issue....Johnny can improve, is improving, but he needs to play. Period.
I'll also admit that I was not a Johnny fan when he was in college. Too much of a showboat. But I think the past year has taught him a lot. He is the future of the Cleveland Browns, at least in my senile old gourd, and he's going to get as much support as I can muster. Some of you guys should try that. You might enjoy rooting for a guy for a change instead looking for that moment of failure (which will surely come - it comes to everyone) to pounce on and enjoy.
Now back to my cigar and a beer....
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After reading the board for years I've come to the conclusion that a good portion of the guys on here would gripe about winning the lottery. This team has had a myriad of problems dating back to when Belichick was the coach but I think it's quite possible that they've finally gotten the QB right.
JM is going to have his share of head-scratching games this year but if he plays his way through them, as I think he can, we may actually have a damn good QB on our hands. I'm with Mourg on this issue....Johnny can improve, is improving, but he needs to play. Period.
I'll also admit that I was not a Johnny fan when he was in college. Too much of a showboat. But I think the past year has taught him a lot. He is the future of the Cleveland Browns, at least in my senile old gourd, and he's going to get as much support as I can muster. Some of you guys should try that. You might enjoy rooting for a guy for a change instead looking for that moment of failure (which will surely come - it comes to everyone) to pounce on and enjoy.
Now back to my cigar and a beer....
If otto can change his views, everyone can! I wasn't a fan either, but he seems to have changed his attitude. He has talent, the only thing that really concerns me is his size, but there have been QB's that are/were successful with his stature.
As a season ticket holder, I want to at least be excited to go tot he games. With JM starting, that would certainly make the 2.5 hour drive to Cleveland at least worth while in the fact that we are seeing what we have and then can base next years draft on it.
[quote][JM is going to have his share of head-scratching games this year but if he plays his way through them, as I think he can, we may actually have a damn good QB on our hands. I'm with Mourg on this issue....Johnny can improve, is improving, but he needs to play. Period./quote]
Agreed. He stepped into that game and looked prepared.
I was quite impressed until he seemed to have to start making things happen. It isn't like the team was giving him much help.
I think we're better off taking our lumps with Johnny this year and seeing how he does. He's better off learning on the field then continuing to sit on the bench
This is pretty much irrelevant, but wanted to add this. I get that college/nfl doesn't disclose everything i.e injuries and etc about a player, and we don't get inside info or scouting like the pros.
But with 24/7 coverage of JFF in college one would think eventually his elbow issues would have been brought up sometime in the news with him missing a practice or anything. Maybe I heard about it and memory is failing me, I just googled past college injury stories...only thing that came up was a shoulder and knee injury.
I just find it a little odd we are hearing about it now.
Probably because it's never been an issue. But now that an NFL team is paying him big bucks they're more protective of their investment so the problem shows up in the news.
The Browns second-year quarterback speaks from the locker room
QB Johnny Manziel:
On the prospect of facing off against Titans QB Marcus Mariota:
“Obviously a guy I know a little bit, going back to be recruited to Oregon at the same time. He did a heck of a job last week. It will be cool.”
On how he feels physically:
“Good.”
On if he has to find a balance between sliding and taking big hits trying to run for extra yards:
“In that situation with (QB) Josh (McCown) being down the next guy to come in (at quarterback) is a receiver, so obviously you have to. There is a fine line as you can see with Josh and I think that it is hard to toe the line of trying to get every ounce of it and trying to give yourself up when you feel like you can get more at times. Definitely something that didn’t feel great, so try to stay away from that as much as possible.”
On if he is more comfortable this year than last:
“A lot more. A lot more comfortable. Even as the game went on --- I think I started off a little nervous and shaky. As I made that pass to Trav (WR Travis Benjamin) and he goes and takes it into the end zone and as you continue to see some of the pressures, continue to see some of the things we saw throughout the week the game slowed down a little bit. The key thing there is having the guys we have up front and being able to rely on them and know that they have my back and know that they are going to work overtime with a guy that hasn’t been in there a ton. I give those guys a lot of credit.”
On how practice went today with the first-team offense:
“It was smooth. I think we had a good day. Obviously, Wednesday practice we were getting all of our stuff installed and looking ahead to Sunday. I think (that there wasn’t any) communication problems. Really good gameplan for this week.”
On how his elbow is feeling:
“Really good. It feels good.”
On if he was on a ‘pitch count’ today:
“I think they are still monitoring me a little bit just to make sure that we don’t push it into any excess or anything like that. I got every single throw that I needed to with the people that I needed to. I think they have done a really good job of handling it. There is no point in going out there and throwing any meaningless balls or anything that could potentially push it over the edge. My elbow feels really good.”
On what it does to him mentally when he makes a positive play, but the play is called back due to a penalty:
“I think a couple times those were third downs. I think a couple times throughout that game we were 8-16 on third downs. To have a couple more of those wiped away I think we had a really good percentage there and something to build on. It is obviously a little bit frustrating, but at the same time I know those guys are trying to hold those big men up front and keep them away from me for even a split second to let me escape. I know they are working really hard and they are not holding guys on purpose or anything like that. It is tough, but at the same time we will clean it up and moving forward we won’t have anything like that happen.”
On how he works on securing the ball when he is under pressure:
“I can’t be careless with it. The (first fumble) I stepped up and we were in third and forever. Get it out of your hands. Not looking like we are going to get a first down there anyway. Play for the punt a little bit. (The second fumble) it is hard to get a backside end that just rushes around to even feel that. That is tough, but at the same time get it out of my hands and move on and we won’t have anything like that happen.”
On if he is bracing himself to learn that McCown could possibly start even after he took all the first-team reps with the offense this week:
“That is part of it.”
On if McCown was out at practice helping him at all today:
“I think he was out there midway towards the end of practice, but Josh is always helpful. That is not just today, that is every day.”
On if he sees any resemblance to the Steelers defense in the Titans’ defense because former Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau is the defensive coordinator in Tennessee:
“Sure, looking at the film you see a lot of the blueprint of what the Steelers have run over the years. I think that is pretty much what you would expect with him going there and having those roots that he had in Pittsburgh.”
On what he wants to show if he starts Sunday:
“Just improvement. I want to go out and get a win. That is the biggest thing – two disappointing starts last year that we didn’t get the win. That is what we are going for every week. This game, this next game, is the most important for us. I know the rest of the guys in this locker room are going to play hard so I want to go out and play my part, turnover free. I feel with our defense and keeping the ball in our hands and not giving it to the other team gives a really good chance to win. At the end of day that is what we want to do and I don’t expect anything less than that.”
On thinking more critically when calling plays:
“I think throughout the game when things did break down there was time to be instinctive. I think some of those plays did go really well. Other times when I try to be instinctive and it’s just not there, the plays over, move on to the next. Cover the ball, make sure it remains our ball whether we have to punt or whatever the case may be. Just know our defense has a really good chance of going out every drive and really putting it to the other team. As far as keeping the instincts but being smart while you’re doing it, knowing the situation really well and protecting the ball, that’s what it comes down to.”
On spread offense becoming more common in the NFL:
“No, I don’t think so. I think the NFL is a stubborn league. I think they’ve done what they’ve done from the beginning of time. I think they’ve evolved a little bit. I do think it’s changed obviously with guys coming in like that for the most part, staples of the West Coast (offense) and staples of offenses that have been in the NFL are always going to be here. That’s just my opinion.”
On what he will do differently if he starts on Sunday:
“A big thing for us last week obviously is we need to run the ball a little bit better. We need to get our running backs a little more engrained and a little more downhill and really get some positive gains. That will put us in better situations where it’s not a third and nine trying to scramble for the first down. It’s a third and three and you only have to take off for five yards. It’s not long runs down the field trying to make something happen. Keeping ourselves really in third and short with some of those early run downs will help us out there.”
On Mariota’s performance in his first game:
“I think he did really well. I think that game worked out for Tennessee at the beginning in a couple ways. Obviously them getting out to a touchdown on their first drive then having a pick six in the second. You’re up 14 –nothing before you can even blink and then the next time you look up its 28-7 or something like that. Obviously he’s doing things well and a lot of things went right there. Hopefully for us moving forward we’ll go out 7-0 and put them in a bit of a hole.”
On if lack of reps with the ones was the reason for some of his mistakes:
“I think on those, especially the third down (interception) that’s got to be outside, regardless, no matter what. Our ball or nobody’s. That was really on me. I wouldn’t blame it on reps, that’s the life of a backup. I need to stay mentally engrained, get the throws that I do and be happy about that. I wouldn’t blame it on that but this week I’m making sure none of those balls are left inside, none of those balls are left where anybody else can get it.”
On possibly starting the next game, his first since last year, at home:
“Obviously looking forward to getting a chance, if that’s the case, being back under the center. Here at home, FirstEnergy (Stadium), that’s a great place to play early in the year, I think we’ll have a great crowd. I never even question that with the people here in Cleveland. If that is the case, I look forward to going out there and hopefully giving them something to cheer about. We want to put points on the board. We want to be solid all around offensively and make sure we come out there with the end result that everybody in this locker room wants.”
On how much he hears his name back in the news again:
“None.”
On if he has anything to prove:
“I’m just trying to go out and play better football than I have in the past. I’ve been disappointed in the way I performed, especially ending the season last year. (It) didn’t end on a very good note. Was it better on Sunday? Sure, it was better. Did I feel more comfortable? Sure. But did I do some things looking back that I would like to have back? Absolutely. Now moving forward it is don’t make those same mistakes again. I need to learn from what I did, see the field and trust what’s gotten me to this level, and trust what’s gotten me in this locker room. For me, I want to continue to improve, go out and not care- not worry about what anyone else was saying. There was a time when I was talked about every single day, on every station around the entire country. There was days where I was talked about good. There was days I was talked about bad and now it’s for me, block all of that out, do what I need to do in this locker room, make sure I’m prepared and go out on Sunday and make sure I do better than I did last week.”
Johnny came from the spread and is rapidly gaining ground on Carr and Teddy.
That is a ridiculous comment.
Why? He is, Teddy stunk last game, not sure how Carr did.
Why are you always so negative? I think you actually enjoy it and will be angry if JM actually succeeds.
IMO, it's hard to state that JFF is rapidly gaining ground on anyone. Maybe one can argue that since he dug himself such a huge hole last year that him flirting with mediocrity gives the illusion that he is making huge strides.
The fact is that he was so bad last year that big improvements still won't bring him into the same category as average QBs. He has a long way to go before he is no longer in the bottom group of NFL QBs.
Sure I'm negative, but that's what the product I see gives me to work with. I want success from all players on our roster. I won't be angry if he proves me wrong, but I also want pretend he isn't bad just because he's a Cleveland Brown.
I never find your posts that negative - more realistic and well thought out. I was responding to Super, who always has silly wise cracks about the team and nothing else.
We certainly need more input to determine if JM is the answer, I just wish the negativity and animosity towards him would stop. Last year it was understandable - he was an idiot - but it appears as if he has turned himself around. People need to learn to give second chances - no one is perfect, especially a 21 or 22 year old kid. I'm excited to see how JM progresses and hope he gets the start Sunday.
I never find your posts that negative - more realistic and well thought out. I was responding to Super, who always has silly wise cracks about the team and nothing else.
We certainly need more input to determine if JM is the answer, I just wish the negativity and animosity towards him would stop. Last year it was understandable - he was an idiot - but it appears as if he has turned himself around. People need to learn to give second chances - no one is perfect, especially a 21 or 22 year old kid. I'm excited to see how JM progresses and hope he gets the start Sunday.
Cols - apologies. I knew you were responding to Super, I was just weighing in. Sorry I gave that vibe.
Johnny is our guy and I'm pulling for him to succeed. I really am. And if he does, I will be glad to admit that he won me over.
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I wasn't a fan either, but he seems to have changed his attitude. He has talent, the only thing that really concerns me is his size, but there have been QB's that are/were successful with his stature.
