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Now you are telling lies? Did your God tell you it was okay to lie in order to win a debate on a message board?

No, he isn't right. mac, do you watch the games. The kick was incredibly low. The guy who blocked it was on the LOS and I don't think he even jumped.

Even the announcers knew that Koon did not have a very strong leg. I also think the extra point was 48 yards, but I could be wrong about that.

And why would you not want to get closer or even score a TD instead of wasting valuable time and having to kick a long FG. Some people hate Manziel so much that they make things up to defend the guy who made a mountain out of a mole hill.

He jumped... But yes, the kick looked like it could have been low.

Some of you are in denial. So be it.

The point is that the Browns let the clock run and run and run and then Davis slid down instead of going out of bounds. We had to blow a timeout. We then ran the ball up the middle and had to burn our last timeout. That is insanely incompetent.

Are you saying they should have been playing for a game-tying 50+ yd FG instead of trying to score a TD and/or having a chance at kicking a much shorter FG?

Sheesh..............how are you guys even arguing this?

Some will say they "know" that Manziel is not the guy, but that is simply them talking out their butt.

Can you imagine if Johnny had done that? People would be issuing death threats. Davis does it and people say he played pretty good. LOL..........it's amazing.

Dave is right..if everyone does their job, the kick is not blocked by an interior defensive lineman.

2. I always liked Manziel and thought he could/would be the guy finally. Also knew he would take a couple of years to mold him into an NFL QB.

3. In lieu of (2) I think Pettine did the correct thing. Got to give the kid tough love before he ends up destroying himself. Just a couple of things cause it appears some just don't understand why we demoted him (TEMPORARILY) to #3 QB.
We named him starter for the rest of the season. Sat him down and went over the do's n don'ts for the week off. Buy Manziel's own presser he was to keep a low profile and not do anything that would embarrass him or the team. THAT HE WOULD COME BACK EARLY n Start watching film on SUNDAY! his words! He came back Monday. He was confronted about the video...he swore that it was nothing as it was an old video...briefly put on the Media it was an old tape. Proven wrong that it was current and lied.

I don't see what is so hard to see why we demoted him. We don't wish to cut him. There was not ulterior motive. Pettine cares about him and wants him to be great.

We need him here not when he is suppose to. But as starter we need him to go the extra mile and study, study and study to make himself great.

No, he isn't right. mac, do you watch the games. The kick was incredibly low. The guy who blocked it was on the LOS and I don't think he even jumped.

Even the announcers knew that Koon did not have a very strong leg. I also think the extra point was 48 yards, but I could be wrong about that.

And why would you not want to get closer or even score a TD instead of wasting valuable time and having to kick a long FG. Some people hate Manziel so much that they make things up to defend the guy who made a mountain out of a mole hill.

To be fair Vers, not a lot of folks understand that kickers kick the ball with a much lower trajectory on the longer kicks. all looks the same on TV. That kick probably isnt touched if its from 42.

Anyway, Davis is either really stupid or a total wuss that was afraid he might get hit. Sliding there was the absolute dumbest/wimpiest thing he could have done.

Pet using headset issues for the wasted time was about as believable as Johnny and his old footage. You are the freaking head coach, you are allowed to call a time out. He did the same stupid stuff in several games this year, leaving the game with timeouts in his pocket. He just keeps doing it over and over.

j/c...


Last but not least on the block and run back - the Raven stepped clearly out of bounds around the 30..in the shot from our Endzone it clearly shows it. But the NFL packed their bags and wanted to get out of town so fast and say FU Browns you screwed us for not playing Manziel and boosting their ratings!

On another board I go to, an adamant Manziel-hater said he'd "like to see what Austin Davis can do the rest of the season".

LOL. Many on this board will do the same.

I don't think Davis wussed out. I think he was simply not aware of the situation. Do we blame Davis or do we blame the people that put him in the game?

And the clock management was embarrassing. It's like they were trying to run time off the clock. I know they weren't, but it's just that they were so incredibly incompetent.

I put it on Davis. He's a pro, he's been a pro for a while now. He shouldn't have to be spoon fed the situation and reminded of what to do and what not to do. I haven't played football since I was 10 years old and if I say, sitting in a bar, the second he starts to slide, "What the hell is he doing?".. then he should know.


we ran our first play at :50 mark for a 6 yard completion, probably took 6 or 7 seconds... we ran our next play at :18. We lost 20-25 seconds of nothingness... nothing but Davis flailing his arms, WRs not knowing where to line up, etc. Hell 2nd and 4, line up and spike it.. would have been better than what we watched.. Instead we saved a timeout so we could plow into the LOS one last time for no gain...

I'm not sure how I feel about that one way or the other. The reason for that thinking is that I can't read minds.

If this team is actually finished with the JFF project, then seeing Davis is probably the best thing moving forward.

If they still believe that JFF is still a possibility for the future, then JFF would be the best choice.

If he doesn't start Johnny now there will be NOBODY in the stands the rest of the year. Everybody gets that except Daddy Pettine.

He's a marketing guy.

then he knows the best way to make more money is to put a winning product on the field.

except in Cleveland....

we sell out every year regardless of the product on the field

You have no idea if they plan to cut JFF at seasons end, and if they are, neither your a. or b. holds any merit.

wasnt sold out last night

There's a difference between attendance and sold out. I'm sure you know that.

Are their tickets available from the Cleveland Browns for the next game/games? If so, how many?

bruh, i picked up 2 tickets in section 107 row 18 for 70 bucks a pop, and the seats around me we're empty. it's even cheaper now for next game against sanfran, i can literally sit pretty much anywhere i want.

the nose bleeds are going for 9 bucks. this reminds me of the pre-lebron days at the Gund.

The guy who blocked it was not on the LOS when he blocked the kick. The Ravens had 6 defenders on the LOS lined up right of the center plus another guy behind them and they pushed the 4 Browns defenders on the left side a good 5 yards into the backfield. If you watch the replays it looks like Erving is trying to block 3 guys himself and just gets bowled over.