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No, that's just being wise and self reliant while shoving my gun into it's holster.

and I thought I read something recently there is an estimated 300 million or more guns in this country..the number isnt exact but by memory I think its close to what i read...so while 30% sounds low to me..there is a gun for every American and some..

So the ones who have them are hoarding like crazy or...that 30 some percent is not quite right.

I know i own more then a few..so maybe the small % are hoarders??

So what you are saying is you'd take the law into your own hands. Got it.

I think that there are bigger issues with population growth over the past 50 years .... the 24/7 news cycle, and how they make celebrities out of mass killers ..... the way we devalue human life through barbaric practices like abortion ....... and the fact that this country has moved away from Christian morals to a "do whatever you want, and/or feels good" mentality, and also a problem where some people feel isolated from the world because of technology, that not only allows them to stay out of the world at large, in some ways it even encourages it.

The "way too many guns" idea is really not all that accurate anyway. I don't know the raw numbers of guns now vs 1980, but we can know the number of households with guns today, vs the time when I was a kid.

In 1974, 47% of US households had a gun. In 2014, that number was only 31%. http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

If the NRA is pushing some "put a gun in every home" agenda, I would say that they are losing that battle badly, and too many homes with guns is really not the problem.

I could believe that there are more guns in this country today. I have several friends who own collections that could arm a small army. Some they don't even have ammo for, as they are more collector pieces than anything to be fired. The people I know who own guns like that have gun safes, (usually bolted into the floor) that are there to keep people safe from their guns but also to keep someone from stealing their guns. I would think that many gun collectors do the same, if for no other reason than to protect their investments.


So, while I think that there are a lot of causes for such violence in today's world, blaming "more guns" is like blaming an increase in DUIs on us having too many cars.

I wonder how many gun safes there are in the US. That would probably tell you how many people own a significant number of guns.

Bet there isn't enough safes to hold all the responsible law abiding gun owners's fire arms and ammo.

So the better question is how many firearms and how much ammo is just lying around unattended in america's homes.

So if a gun is in a closet on a shelf in a LOCKED house, the home owner is irresponsible because someone could break into the house and steal it? That is some flawed logic.

If someone breaks into my house and steals a pack of rubbers and one leaks, do I have to raise their kid?

What are you doing with rubbers at your age?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...-and-then-some/

here it is I THINK is what I read..

Why would they pick San Berdardino though - a city of 200k (ish) people - when 60 or so miles to the west is LA with closer to 20 times that population, and even more considering the metro area. Just seems odd to me.

(general question, not specifically to you 40)

And if that story is right, we have added 98 million guns between 2000 and the end of 2013. And they state out of that 98 million increase, 87 million guns were added between 2007 and 2013.

The director of CAIR in southern California just gave a statement on MSNBC (and possibly other networks). It was a very brief statement but unequivocally denounced what happened today and said that even though we do not yet know why it happened, all Americans need to stand together to condemn these kinds of acts...

Pretty passionate speech, well done.

If you read end times stuff its part of the plan to end times..and for you to say we arent turning into a godless country is funny to me..and what is coming from someone who posts like he leans atheist I see why u said what u did about God bouncing...Damn man some of the posts u make..makes me wonder what kind of life u live..you seem cryptic.

and I didnt say anything about everywhere else I said the US

you dont agree ok..this isnt on topic of the thread anyway...I'll gladly give u reasons on why I feel the way I do in pm or another thread.

That's awesome, except Tulsa already posted links showing you exactly what I'm talking about.

That's great some states have BG checks, now if everybody else can get on board that'll be great.

it seems like nobody wants to talk about the topic, though.

nobody wants to discuss motive of the shooters, or anything of this nature.

Prove a point...no one, no where is exempt from the the terror they aspire to create. I said it was coming to a city near you. Here it is!! Say what you will, the time is at hand to address this issue in this country.

Trouble is, we have an incompetent leader who has his head in the sand (or elsewhere) and has no guts. He will blame everything else and anyone else for this issue

meh, its not uncommon for me to have 3 or 4 friends over working in the garage having a beer or two. Nothing out of the ordinary, I bet it happens all across the country.

I highly doubt it was their "original target".

If you look at the amount of ammunition, pipe bombs and destruction that could have been caused, this wasn't what I believe was their intended use.

40 pretty much stated my theory on the matter......

They intended a better, higher body count target. Once the argument happened at his work, he reached his tipping point and changed the target location to his work.

I mean let's look at it. He went to the party. An argument ensued. He left mad and returned between 10 and 30 minutes later.

Now considering that, it just doesn't make sense to me that you would spend so much time building bombs, stockpiling ammo, acquiring the weapons, getting tactical gear, just to go off the deep end and shoot up a party at work after getting mad as some kind of plan.

No, I seriously believe that plan A was a much bigger target with far more intended victims. The argument at the party changed everything and he resorted to plan B in short order.