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I wouldn't automatically believe he was in Vegas, tab. Where are the pics?
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I'd say that this trade to Dallas and picking of the highest rated QB would be a lot more valid if there was a QB in the draft that is a Andrew Luck/Payton Manning type that would be considered a "can't miss" kinda guy.
Am I missing something? I just don't see one of those in this draft.
Next, is there a player out there to be gotten via FA or trade.
Then you have to ask yourself this, If Jerry Jones wants Manziel as badly as some are saying, I'd want more than a 5th or 6th rounder for him. To be honest, he's worth more than that IMO.
I think it makes a great story... but I guess I see some serious issues with believing it will actually occur.
In a perfect world, we change Coaching staffs and find someone that can design an offensive system to take advantage of Manziels abilities. Then we change a GM and find one that can find complementary pieces to fit this new Offense.
I have no illusions about how difficult that might be.
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He is the most important part of a 3-12 team and the day before a game he is not even in the city? I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. Again, I don't know what is true (I hope it isn't); I simply am commenting on a post...
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I know what you mean. You have a singular story that turns into a storm because media people are citing each other as sources, rather than someone who actually witnessed anything. The article did cite and identify a waitress and a casino patron, FWIW.
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Johnny Manziel Reportedly ID'd Gambling at Las Vegas Casino Before Week 17 By Timothy Rapp , Featured Columnist Jan 3, 2016 link Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel was reportedly seen eating and gambling at the Planet Hollywood casino in Las Vegas Saturday night, according to Scott Boeck of USA Today. However, the quarterback posted a picture to Instagram on Saturday night, adding the location of the picture to Avon, Ohio. Manziel, 23, started six games and appeared in nine contests for the Cleveland Browns this season, throwing for 1,500 yards, seven touchdowns and five interceptions. However, he was ruled out of Sunday's season finale due to a concussion. According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer, Manziel was at the team's facility on Saturday morning before being spotted in Las Vegas later that evening. Manziel, who entered rehab last offseason to combat a drinking problem, was already benched this season after video surfaced of the quarterback partying in a club during the team's bye week. Manziel then lied about the incident both publicly and to head coach Mike Pettine, leading to his temporary demotion. "It wasn't coach Pettine's fault that I did what I did," Manziel said while publicly commenting that he hoped Pettine had a future with the organization, per Cabot. "It was just on my end taking responsibility and there's no grudges, there's no hate or anything like that. He's our head coach and our leader, and I definitely have a respect for him and that's not going to change—no matter what." Despite Manziel's public defense of his coach, Cabot reported that the organization is set to make sweeping changes this offseason in a "likely blow-up of [the] Browns regime." And Manziel's own future that may be called into question after he was spotted at a Las Vegas casino this weekend and was seen in another video drinking on Christmas Eve.
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He is the most important part of a 3-12 team and the day before a game he is not even in the city? I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. Again, I don't know what is true (I hope it isn't); I simply am commenting on a post... I understand the work ethic part but what is the point of cramming anything? He won't be dressed for the game and why study a gameplan of a coaching staff that will be fired tonight or tomorrow. Everything is going to get blown up again and I imagine the whole team can't wait for this season to end.
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Isn't this pretty much the same information written by someone else?
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Isn't this pretty much the same information written by someone else?
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I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. How do you cram with a concussion ?.. Why do you cram when the season is over ?.. Why does the media cram this up our asses ? Johnny can't dress for the game, Johnny can't practice for the game, Johnny's not playing in the game. Johnny's season is over, after today's game, everyone's season is over.. Johnny's in Vegas maybe... Who the hell cares, the season is over.. People really give a crap that someone's whose season is over is living their life outside of the game.. This team stinks so bad that the only thing people get excited about is a player whose season is over...SMH
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Maybe it was just some guy whose name is John Manziel and the guy checking the id thought it was funny and the waitress has no idea what he looks like.
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I don't buy it either. I mean, Planet Hollywood, really, Manziel chose Planet Hollywood? That's funny.
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How do you cram with a concussion ?.. Why do you cram when the season is over ?.. Why does the media cram this up our asses ?
Johnny can't dress for the game, Johnny can't practice for the game, Johnny's not playing in the game.
Johnny's season is over, after today's game, everyone's season is over..
Johnny's in Vegas maybe... Who the hell cares, the season is over..
People really give a crap that someone's whose season is over is living their life outside of the game..
This team stinks so bad that the only thing people get excited about is a player whose season is over...SMH
Was he told not to travel by the medical staff, due to his "claimed" concussion?
IMO, Johnny knows he can do whatever he wants and no one is going to do anything about it...the owner has his back.
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I care. You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them, and you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved? Is tere nothing that you can add to the team's chances even if you're not playing?
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I care. You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them, and you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved? Is tere nothing that you can add to the team's chances even if you're not playing?
Johnny has always been about Johnny first..whatever lil johnny wants, he gets...that is who Haslam drafted and I see no evidence that Johnny boy will ever change.
He's the typical spoiled rich boy, who does as he pleases, whenever he wants.
This is who Jimmy Haslam drafted...
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You're having a losing season and your teammates are expected to have their butts handed to them, That would make me want to go to Vegas.. you're not even emotionally or otherwise involved? No, I'm not... I didn't even go to the game today..Columbus texted me last night if I was coming up to tailgate...Being on the board answers that question. Oh and Johnny being emotionally involved ? The game hasn't started yet.. Whose to say he won't be on the sidelines.. I know you do BB, your a good guy 
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REPORT, JUST IN!!!!!!!!
Johnny Manziel confirmed to have taken a dump at the McDonalds rest room in Cleveland. Stay tuned as more details, pictures and other worthless garble comes about.
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This is utter Bull!
He was at my House helping us take down the Christmas Lights!
I figured he already has a concussion, so if he fell off the ladder..no big deal!
I live in the USA and am posting this TODAY and like Sports.
So this is an ABSOLUTELY confirmed Post
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Many thanks, Billy, but this team is ageing me faster than Father Time...
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I would hope that he would be cramming his head full of film. How do you cram with a concussion ?.. Why do you cram when the season is over ?.. Why does the media cram this up our asses ? Johnny can't dress for the game, Johnny can't practice for the game, Johnny's not playing in the game. Johnny's season is over, after today's game, everyone's season is over.. Johnny's in Vegas maybe... Who the hell cares, the season is over.. People really give a crap that someone's whose season is over is living their life outside of the game.. This team stinks so bad that the only thing people get excited about is a player whose season is over...SMH How I feel to...my God the standards people hold Johnny to...I dont give a crap if he was in Vegas...id want to run from this train wreck to...I'd be curious if they hold themselves to the same level of scrutiny  umm...yeah I'm sure they do 
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Isn't this pretty much the same information written by someone else? Like I said earlier............it becomes more true if posters re-post the same information over and over and over again. Btw............still waiting for a pic.
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Manziel actually posted a picture.....with his dog at home in his living room. LOL
Now, it could be an old picture. But I tend to believe someone just wanted to stir up some crap with this story. As Vers said, "Where's the picture from Vegas?"
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the local write up from CPD...
Johnny Manziel spotted in Las Vegas on Saturday night despite concussion, according to USA Today report
By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com
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on January 03, 2016 at 1:10 AM, updated January 03, 2016 at 8:54 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Johnny Manziel, who will sit out Sunday's season finale against the Steelers with a concussion, was spotted Saturday at Las Vegas' Planet Hollywood casino, employees and patrons told USA Today Sports.
Manziel was diagnosed with a concussion on Wednesday afternoon after reporting symptoms to the medical staff that morning.
USA Today reported that he paid cash for a meal at the Heart Bar at Planet Hollywood, and interviewed Tina Samira, a waitress who served Manziel and his guests.
A casino employee also examined Manziel's photo ID at a blackjack table and said "we've got Johnny Manziel with us tonight," John Hornacek, 43, a patron who was there at the time, told USA Today.
Browns Vice President of Communications Peter John-Baptiste would not confirm for USA TODAY Sports if Manziel was in Cleveland. He told cleveland.com the report was untrue when USA Today MLB digital editor Scott Boeck first tweeted it.
He added that Manziel was at the Browns facility on Saturday morning.
Because Manziel has been diagnosed with a concussion, he does not have to attend the game. But the club certainly wouldn't endorse him going to Vegas with a concussion.
Manziel's agent, Erik Burkhardt, did not immediately respond to a text from cleveland.com asking if Manziel was in Las Vegas.
After word spread on social media that Manziel was in Vegas, he posted a photo of himself on Instagram with his dog and the hashtag #Saturdaynights. He later added his home in Avon, Ohio, as his location.
The report comes just two days after coach Mike Pettine made it clear that "there are problems'' with Manziel that need to be addressed in the offseason.
Sources told cleveland.com that the Browns have been increasingly concerned about Manziel's well-documented partying over the past few months -- particularly over the past few weeks.
"Here is a guy that has an NFL skill set, he's very talented, if you spend some time with him, he's a likable guy, you root for him,'' said Pettine, who's expected to be fired as early as Sunday night. "But there are problems there that we'll talk as we're headed to the offseason about getting addressed. And I've said this before, we want to make sure that all of our players are in good shape as people first, players second. Because I don't think you can be as effective as you can be as a player if things aren't right off the field. And he's a good example of that.''
He stressed that the Browns can't force him to get help again in the offseason. Last January, Manziel checked himself into an addiction treatment facility for an undisclosed issue, where he remained for 73 days. When he began admitting publicly that he was drinking -- including during his Oct. 12 roadway incident involving his girlfriend and the Avon, Ohio police -- his former high school coach Julius Scott told USA Today Sports that Manziel is "out of his mind'' if he thinks he can have a couple of drinks.
Over the past few months, Manziel has been spotted out frequently at local bars. On Christmas Eve, three days before he started in Kansas City, a video was posted to social media of him drinking a Four Lokos, an alcoholic beverage.
"I don't think we can really mandate it, but there can be strong suggestions as far as how he handles it,'' said Pettine. "But by the rules of the league, we can't [say], 'Hey, you need to come in here and meet with Kevin O'Connell three times a week.' It's against the rules. You can't do that. You've got to be able to send him off with a plan and check in every so often, and when the desire is there to want to get it changed and want to be better, hopefully you'll have a good result."
Manziel took several hard shots to the head during Sunday's game against the Chiefs. He did not look or sound good after the game, but also had a cold. He seemed fine to those at the Browns facility on Monday and also when he came in to watch film on Tuesday.
On Wednesday morning, Manziel came to the facility complaining of symptoms and was sent to the doctor, where he was diagnosed with the concussion. The next day, he was ruled out of the game.
Austin Davis will start in his place.
If Manziel was indeed in Vegas, it adds another bizarre chapter to his endless off-the-field partying that the Browns feel is preventing him from being the best quarterback he can be.
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... still waiting for a pic. I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't.
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It may be "rule" but I've taken plenty of pictures over the years in Vegas. Trust me, if he was in Vegas someone got a picture.
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If Manziel was indeed in Vegas, it adds another bizarre chapter to his endless off-the-field partying that the Browns feel is preventing him from being the best quarterback he can be. No it adds to a more bizarre reason why the media or anyone else gives a crap.
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If not true, what does that say about the lack of responsibility of the media? What does it say about people jumping to conclusions? What does it say about humor nature thinking the worst of a person? What's it say about the cocaine cowboys character that this is even a question?
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
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Maybe he was putting down 100,000 on the Steelers minus the points 
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LOL - I had a crazy thought from left field - I wonder if he went to rehab for a gambling addiction - just kidding ... I think.
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cocaine cowboys character Isnt Jon Roberts dead??
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I asked this in the last post that got locked...I wish he would just come out and say what he went in for...not that its anyones business..but I didnt know if rehab dealt with people whose lives are a wreck for reasons other then drinking drugs...Do people go there for reasons other then drinking/drugs??
Honest question I have no dealings with this stuff or know anyone personally who has been to rehab.
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Another example of what I was talking about earlier.
Posting the same information over and over and over and over and over does NOT make the allegations more true.
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... still waiting for a pic. I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't. I get the impression that there are people on this board that want to crucify this kid. Did you complain about Joe Haden playing basketball w/a concussion?
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so basically... he posted on Instagram to either cover it up or to prove the allegations wrong.
Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
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... still waiting for a pic. I think most casinos have rules regarding cell phones at the gaming tables, as well as photographing people other than those in your party. Doesn't mean he was there, doesn't mean he wasn't. I get the impression that there are people on this board that want to crucify this kid. Did you complain about Joe Haden playing basketball w/a concussion? Better question: why are you shooting the messenger? I've been pretty careful to say I didn't know if the story was true or not, because I don't. At least I didn't post a freaking Twitter message from Joe Nobody and claim it was legit. The citation is a recognized news organization. If you have a problem, its with them.
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so basically... he posted on Instagram to either cover it up or to prove the allegations wrong. I saw Johnny and a dog... Thats all I get from it..A pic of JM and a dog.. I see no signs of a Crime scene..
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You can't take a breath in a Vegas casino without it being on video. If there was such a video of him anywhere I'm sure TMZ would have already purchased it. It any event, who cares, this is just getting ridiculous.
In other news, Johnny Mansell was in a Vegas casino last night, playing blackjack.
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I see no signs of a Crime scene..
It wasn't Johnny, Billy....it was the dog!!!
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I think it matters. If a guy wants to be the face of the franchise, our #1 QB, a leader - which a QB needs to be, then you stay in town for the game, take part in preparations whether you're active or not, and you hit the damned gaming table Sunday night after the game and the season are over. If this story is true, its a big middle finger by Manziel to the Browns organization, his teammates, and the fans - IMO.
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Does it matter if you don't have proof that he was actually there?
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