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Here's some various videos of Hue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn8FZmtINlU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2N1JNynMSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCe3Ix79_ko

I thought you said that Pet was our superstar head coach? Didn't you have something in your sig about it?

That question upset you? Really?

I looked to see if this story was already posted and didn't find it...if is already up, feel free to remove this post...thanks, mac




Does hiring of Paul DePodesta lead to Matt Patricia?

Pat McManamon
ESPN Staff Writer

The Cleveland Browns' hiring of Paul DePodesta continues to prompt chatter around the NFL and Major League Baseball.

DePodesta is a Harvard-educated man of interesting approaches who spent the past 19 years in baseball, most recently with the New York Mets. He's also an analytics guru, which leads to the immediate conclusion that the team's new coach will also have to, at a minimum, buy into analytics.

Which may well mean a young unknown open to new ideas and ways to win.

That could point to a guy like the New England Patriots' Matt Patricia, who rose through the Bill Belichick ranks like so many other of the head coach's assistants.


Patricia left an engineering job to do the most menial of coaching jobs so he could gain a coaching resume. Belichick brought him along to the point that he's now the defensive coordinator.

The Boston Herald wrote in a fascinating profile of Patricia that people "knew that bearded guy with the aeronautical engineering degree from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute was always the smartest one in the room, and Patricia's plan always had a purpose."

Of all the candidates being interviewed, Patricia seems to make the most sense if the Browns truly are all-in with analytics. He has the youth, the energy and the mind to grasp what it means and how it can help.

The shift to analytics would not be easy for some NFL coaches. They are a big part of baseball but just in their infancy in football.

Analytics is one tool. An in-depth analytics study can give optimum size and speed for successful linebackers, but it can't measure heart.

Analytics might show arm length is not important for defensive linemen, as former Browns CEO Joe Banner said Wednesday on ESPN, but it won't show if a guy ran a wrong route, wrong stunt or called the wrong play.

Belichick said Wednesday he uses analytics as one tool, but "that's really not a big thing with me."

"I'm sure you can go to the Northeastern analytics conference or whatever it is here in summer or the spring and get your fill of it," Belichick said. "I'm sure there's a lot there." He was referring to the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics conference.

"Look, if you're out there coaching every day and to me if you can't see an 80 percent tendency, then what are you looking at?" Belichick said. "Now, is it 51-49, 49-51, I don't know. What are you going to do with that? You want to bet on 51, you want to bet on 49 or bet on 55 or 45? At that point, what's the difference?"

The thinking about analytics, though, is that if the study is at a 55-45 difference (or less), then analytics and a more detailed study of numbers may help with a decision to provide an advantage.

DePodesta wasn't hired solely for analytics. He was hired by Jimmy Haslam to make the Browns a better organization.

On the surface, it sounds like another 'That's So Browns' move, but those who have been around DePodesta rave about his work and his character, as this story on him in SI.com illustrates.

In the NFL analytics is one piece of the puzzle. The Browns can say they have one of the better guys in sports in that role.

How that affects the hiring of a coach will be most fascinating to watch.
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So you are ignoring the Austin interview that came 1st and the upcoming Jackson interview too? I guess that makes 3 token interviews, just for good measure.

"The Browns will suck until they hire a football guy to pick the people in charge"

"The Browns will suck as long as Haslem is the one hiring people"

Just saying.

Patricia looks like guy who'd dig a Steve Everette type player.

Technically sound reasoning right?!

Tab, I'm more curious than questioning. What are you seeing in Patricia that makes you think he is "the Chosen" (I'm being funny here). Other than he has a degree in engineering, what are you hearing/reading makes you think his football knowledge is what it needs to be?

I hate the reasoning I am reading. This guy has an engineering background. Therefore, he'll make a good coach for Browns for the simple fact he understands analytics because of his degree. His engineering background means nothing toward analytics other than he understands the math equation.

But being able to understand the concepts makes it easier for him to understand the outcome.

He seems like an ideal candidate to me, as I said a few days ago. He can sit and talk X's and O''s, and he can sit and talk the concepts with the braintrust. He might be the key ingredient. Being a football guy, he may bring some ideas that make this whole thing better.

Ballpeen, what vibes are you feeling making you think this guy has football sense? Looking from it as an outsider how can one not have an argument saying Patricia is Belichick's puppet? His football knowledge comes from where? I'm not saying he does or does not. Simply saying Patricia has a lot of unknown, and other teams not showing a lot of interest.

Maybe this guy is the formula Cleveland needs. I'm not against Patricia. I don't like the argument this guy has an engineering degree, so he is perfect because he can do math.

Browns have math gurus in the building. Now they they need a football guy to balance it out. Here lies my issue with Patricia. I don't know his football knowledge.

Patricia played C in college. He earned a degree in engineering from one of the most prestigious engineering schools in the country, but then left a good paying engineering job to work at an entry level coaching job because he loves football. Later, he left a paying coaching job for a non-paying coaching job with a coach he respected and wanted to learn from. Belichick noticed him and hired him. He started on the O-line coaching staff, but proved to be so good at translating the conceptual data to the practical X's and O's for the players to understand, that Belichick moved him to first the LB staff, then the DB staff, and finally made him the DC. He's been NE's DC for 4 years during which time that group has been one of the best in football.

Also, Belichik historically has had defensive coordinators that the players respond to with great play on the field. The problem is that there's been no carry over to NFL head coaching positions. We've tried 2 of them, lol.

There are a number of articles that tell his story. It's not the degree in engineering that impresses folks... it's his rise from the bottom to where he is now.

In many ways, he's a lot like Belichick... started out as a bottom-rung "Slappy," and mastered every position he ever undertook. He's also relatable- players RAVE about him. Dude knows the craft inside-out, and is almost always the smartest guy in the room.

If a team is gonna take a flyer on a relative unknown, he'd be the kind of guy they should be looking for.

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Marvin Lewis has 2 former coordinators playing in the playoffs... Zimmer and Jay Gruden. Does Belicheck have any ?

Wasn't most people wanting to go more with an Offensive guy as HC then a D ?

You could also look at the fact we'd be hiring our third ex-Patriot DC as head coach in the last 10yrs.

I think Patricia gets a lot of love on here because he is the favorite for the job. People use their hearts rather than their heads to evaluate what the Browns are doing.

Moving on...............I wonder why Todd Haley isn't being mentioned at all? He has been extremely successful as an OC in both Arizona and Pittsburgh. He has previous head coaching experience and while he was fired during the season w/a 5 and 8 record, he won a division title the previous year. The Chiefs were devastated by injuries in his final year.

He was a volatile guy, but has seemingly changed his demeanor. After a rocky start w/Ben, the two have worked very well together and the Steeler's offense is among the best in the NFL.

Let me see if I have this right;

Trent Richardson was a bust so we should never trust a RB from Alabama
Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor weren't good NFL QB's so we should never trust a QB from OSU.
Crennel and Mangini weren't good HCs so we should never trust HC who came up as a DC in NE.

Forget looking at the individual's qualifications, it's the program they come from that will determine their success.

You shouldn't ignore trends, either. Maybe traits that Belichik looks for in an assistant/coordinator doesn't translate well to being an NFL head coach. Just about every one that tried has failed. I do think Patricia holds more promise than the others, though.

That never crossed my mind, Interesting you pointed that out...

Maybe third time's a charm, Who knows..

I do know happily, that our DC won't be HC...

Hopefully our DC won't be anywhere near the Browns next year either. LOL

I don't love the guy.. I don't even know the guy. But he fits a mold that I perceive to have the necessary tools to work with the new power structure in Berea.

And as far as I know, he's not the front runner. I've not heard that anywhere. Maybe I just missed it.

Interesting food for thought. Good question why is Todd Haley getting no love?

Probably because he's a jerk.

Haley is probably being overlooked for the opposite reason that you want a guy with experience. Sometimes that experience turns teams off. I would suspect that once these teams fill their head coaching voids, Haley may become a coordinator candidate somewhere.

Whether true or not Haley has a rep for being impossible to deal with. No one wants that headache when it can simply be avoided byhiring someone else.

Why do you always believe everything media prints?

I'll consider any coach who makes an offense depleted of their top talent playoff bound. That is the definition of coaching.

More or less my point.

Watch the guy do an interview.

He's a word that would get me banned if I typed it out.

I don't know what the media has to do with him having a douchey attitude..

Oh come on say it.. he's a Steeler coach we can make exceptions.. LOL

Your right about his Pressers..I just smh and want to give him a knuckle sandwhich... then I tell my self.. Im so glad he's on that team.

Henderson is Black, as is Hue Jackson. So is Teryl Austin. There were no token interviews in this search.

I didn't really understand the Henderson interview, but I do Jackson and Austin. Both are quality coaches who will get their shot. Who knows, maybe Jackson gets the job. Everybody might be sitting at dinner right now ironing out the details.

I said, before Pettine was fired, that Hue Jackson would be my top candidate if we did make a change at head coach.

I would still be shocked if Jackson comes here. He's not a guy who is huge into analytics, as far as I know, He seems like more of an old school, relational coach. He is a very innovative guy, so maybe analytics could help there.

However, Jackson was fired by the Raiders after one season. I wonder if he wants to get back int the top job with an impatient owner.

I hope that Jackson is our guy though. He has experience and understands the top job, is a motivator, demands excellence from his players, is a teacher, and is innovative.

What more could you want from a head coach? I said when it seemed likely that Pettine was going to be fired that Jackson was my guy. I thought that the Browns might go all in on analytics and go with Henderson, but Jackson if the guy I thought all along would be best for this job.

I hope that we're smart enough to get him. We blew it when we didn't even interview my last favorite choice, Bruce Arians. (and I probably had people sick and tired of hearing me say I wanted Arians for our coach) This time around, I hope we go with Jackson. That probably means that we'll pass on him and he'll go win a Super Bowl elsewhere.

People get caught up in the head coaches we had when Henderson was here ... but he did a great job as secondary coach here, and has also done a great job in Dallas. Their secondary was about the only unit that performed well this year.

I think that he is open to using analytics, and also that he is a strong relational type coach. I think that he will be a head coach in the NFL, probably sooner than later. He is a high quality coach.

I know this will be received well by some, not so much by others, but I think it is an interesting read. (It is from a biased source.)

http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1631054-browns-have-found-their-way

Not gonna hire someone with set ways. It's going to be a fresh face, willing to work in the plans parameters.

Patricia is a numbers guy.