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Haslam has a new system he's installed.

He's hired a guy to help implement it and he promoted a guy from within to oversee it.

For the Browns to hire a guy JUST because he might be a great HC or was once great HC is stupid unless he buys into the plan.

You say they may be forced to pick from Leftovers, that may end up being true, but maybe not.

One mans trash is another mans treasure. Getting the guy that fits and KNOWS football is the key.

That's why I keep thinking that they would lean towards Patricia. Just a guess on my part. He doesn't look like trash.

I just don't know how "new" this system is. There are differences, but ultimately, there are too many cooks in the kitchen, just like it's been since The Haslams bought the team.

I haven't read most of this thread, but I saw a few bits that got me thinking...

Seeing (and have historically always seen) lots of folks saying "I want an offensive guy" or "I want a guy that was a good DC", etc...

I want a guy that knows how to be a Head Coach. The guy that can run all three sides of the team and has clear ideas on solid people to bring in to be his coordinators.

FAR, FAR, FAR too often folks get all googly-eyed over a guy that was a good coordinator.... .well, the problem there is that really has little bearing on how good he will be as a Head Coach. We need someone that is a brilliant football mind that is also management material. He needs to be able to recognize problems and see immediate solutions, but it is his coordinators who will run the day-to-day X's & O's.

So, I don't care if he is an offensive or defensive (or ST's) guy.... I want a guy that is smart, driven to win, and has strong organizational skills with the capability to develop a plan and execute it - not just on gameday, either, but long-term plans over the course of a year and more.

I want someone that understands REAL leadership and how that is not the same thing as being liked or friendship, nor is it being a callous hard case. I want someone that understands building and running a highly disciplined squad and someone that understands instilling pride in his people.


Things I could not care less about:
What he sounds like in interviews on TV
How he speaks to the media
What he looks like in cut-shots on a sideline
Whether or not the TV shows him "having fire" or "being fired up"
The ability to sound all rah-rah for high school kids
Which side of the ball he prefers to coach

It's brand spanking new to the Browns. as I think you pointed out, Banner supposedly used some form of it, but this seems like a full-on rush to it.

So, at least to the level we are hearing, it's brand new to us.

What is the big deal with having the say in the 53 man roster? And why is it so important? And why would it deter coaches from coming to Cleveland?


I really don't think that whatever coach we hire is going to be left without a voice in our final 53.

I would like for someone to go around to each NFL team and list the person, his/her position within the organization, and the proof this person is in charge of the 53 man roster.

Why is this a deal breaker? Please elaborate. Anyone.

I'm reading the opposite in the recent articles, but I thought that Hue was a bit of a nutcase from his time in Oakland. He made that insane trade for Carson Palmer, and then was hired by the Bengals soon after.

You mean the same Carson Palmer that is carrying the Cardinals in the playoffs and having a career year while doing so?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ear-in-afc-east

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Owner: Robert Kraft, 20th year
General Manager: N/A
Head Coach: Bill Belichick, 14th year
Other front-office notables: Jonathan Kraft, President; Nick Caserio, Director of Player Personnel; Jon Robinson, Director of College Scouting.

Who's really in charge? Few football people have the all-encompassing power that Bill Belichick carries in New England, and the results have been hard to argue with. In explaining how Belichick manages things, one ex-Patriots personnel man said, "I don't know, maybe he has 10 clones of himself." But it isn't all roses. Belichick is involved to the point where it has frustrated his college scouts, who have been overruled in the past on draft picks.

That said, Nick Caserio has developed a strong voice in the organization and is regarded as one of the best talent evaluators Belichick has had in his 14 seasons -- maybe even better than Scott Pioli in his heyday. Caserio reports to Belichick, but is also part of the four-man group, which includes Robert and Jonathan Kraft, that meets to discuss big-picture strategy. The Krafts stay out of nitty-gritty football matters, but they do lend their business expertise, which Belichick applies to his side of the operation.

That structure has been in place since Belichick has been in Foxborough, with some tweaks made along the way. (Pioli held the spot Caserio boasts now, and ex-COO Andy Wasynczuk was part of the circle at one point, as well.) The reason it works is simple: People know their roles. Belichick and Caserio respect the Krafts' business acumen, and the Krafts try not to step on the toes of Belichick and Caserio on the football end.

Outside those four, the one other person to watch -- someone who could be an NFL GM candidate in the future -- is Jon Robinson, who has earned some say in the draft room. As you can see, the group with influence in New England is small -- intentionally so.

An outside perspective from an NFC general manager: "I think it's the person, not the structure there. There are very few people like him. Belichick is very unique. You see how many guys come out of that tree who have failed. That's because it's the person, not the structure, that makes it go. You have to be unique to do it that way. I think he's just extremely smart, and very well-rounded; good in all aspects. Most people can't do it like that, in that structure. Again, you see the guys from that tree, and they get out there and can't handle some of the other facets of running a team, outside their comfort zone. So you look at it, and you say, 'It's Belichick.' And if it wasn't Belichick, that structure probably wouldn't work, because it hasn't with guys who've come out of that system."

http://247sports.com/Article/Bill-Belich...g-fast-34899271

Carroll decides who sticks on the 53-man roster and is tight with GM John Schneider. The two both came to Seattle in 2010 and have formed a thriving partnership. Schneider heads up the draft and free agency, which differs from the setup in New England and Philadelphia. Carroll likely wields influence on those decisions, too, since the two work together so closely. The Seahawks have excelled under this structure — they crushed the Broncos in the Super Bowl.

smh at the taxes thing...

That is not the same Carson Palmer.

That we do. I have to admit, my optimism is at an all time low. Reading about how top GM candidates don't want to come here because of the instability and the sheer number of people that get involved in decisions.. and of all of the coaching vacancies, the Browns have to least to offer in terms of immediate upside and stability...

I am confused, and maybe it was answered somewhere else... but as I understand it, the guy from the Mets will have final roster say, the coach will help in hiring the GM and the coach will report to somebody else... so if the GM doesn't have roster control and doesn't control the coach, what exactly does he do?

Depodesta doesn't have final say on the roster, that is Sashi Brown. And contrary to what is being speculated, my read on that is that he will not be the one making the decisions so much as being the one to make the decisions if there is dispute among the others in the process. More like an overseer and arbitrator than the only guy making the list.

No the Lawyer Sashi Brown has final say on the 53. Which makes no sense at all.

Which is why I ask do we even need a GM?

'We' should just reassign the responsibilities and divide them among Brown, the analytic dude, and the HC. Too many chiefs, someone is bound to bump heads.

Is this a serious comment or very good sarcasm?

Thanks for the offer. However, I have decided to decline your offer for a position with the Seattle Seahawks as water boy/Gatorade Guy.

This is my opinion/hope of how it will work.

GM and scouts will use analytical data to find players via draft and FA.

HC and GM will discuss who they want.

If they agree, they take/sign them.

If they don't they will use Brown's input to pick.

Gase did not CHOOSE Miami over us.

We didn't offer him anything to choose over.

As far as I know, Gase took the first job he was actually offered..

And as it relates to "Control over the roster" I dont want a HC to have total control of it, because it rarely works.

No one is trying to silence you. We just dont care about your tin foil hat theories.

Most NFL coaches do not have control of the 53 man roster, they have control over who's on the gameday roster. The 53 is controlled by the GM and we're offering to let the coach be in on that choice so this should be a more attractive offer for the power hungry than most, it's the next best thing to being coach and GM combined.

Gase was our first interviewee IIRC.

I would have been pissed if they had offered him the job doing due diligence to talk with other candidates ( and he was my first choice).

He went to his second interview and they rolled over and gave him everything he wanted, HC job, OC job and it appears GM job...so he took it... good for him, he got what he wanted.

I would NOT want a first time head coach with that much power... the fact the 'fins did is their choice.

Guess I don't get it....a Head Coach coming to Cleveland gets...no say in GM, has no control over roster, has management trying to dictate other coaches, AND,,,AND organization has fired guys so often they take short term leases to live in....WHY take the job....money and thinking you can do better than the last guy....hope we don't lose the guy we want because we have to number crunch 15 potentials BEFORE we offer them the job.....WOW...go Browns!!!

How can you choose between two teams when one team hasn't even offered you a job?

Looks like we know who our choice is. Whether he comes or not is a different conversation entirely.

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/686680414862180352

I will be disappointed if we hire Jackson. He is a bit nutty. At least the press conferences will be entertaining.

If we sign him some will say they got the guy they wanted all along. If he won't sign, people will say he wasn't their first choice anyway. Watch... lol

Supposedly Jackson has the best staff lined up of the people we've interviewed. He's worked everywhere, so that is not surprising.

I was worried that Patricia's ability to build a staff would do him in, but he seems like the best fit for our current setup.

Actually it was said the HC will have a say in who is hired as GM

What is your take on him Pit?

I wanted Gase and like many thought Patricia would be good fit


Hue at least has some HC experience.

Yes... I dont know much about the qualifications of all these guys, but I like Hue Jackson...

Get'r done!!!

Whether I agree with your posts or not, you are most certainly entitled to post and I, for one, always find them enjoyable...

He had cincy on the verge of winning the game with a backup QB starting in the playoffs, until an epic meltdown on the side of the ball he has no control over.

or the source is Hue's agent trying to make the 49ers nervous lol. For Hue to get an offer, he would have had to make one hell of an impression. he is one of my top choices but I dont believe he gets the job.

J/C..

So I can root for Clemson to win now ?

From what some were saying ,that if Saban won the National title He was going to think about another shot in the NFL.

Give him full control, I guess that wouldn't have happened.

When I read Chip Kelly visited Alabama a few days back.. My first thought was he was replacing Nick, since Haslam convinced him to coach here.

Hue Jackson may be a little nutty as some have mentioned, I may enjoy seeing a HC show some excitement on the sideline.

Honestly there has been no one out there that has me excited as coming in as HC.. So who ever gets hired will be just the head Coach.

Do you know or have heard if he plans on retaning any of the current coaches... If he is hired ?

Someone posted an article saying that there are a few coaches that the team wants to retain, but that the coach will have the final say.