Don't you even have to pretend to want to interview a Caucasian, Latino, Asian, or ????
So most of the coaches he's interested in so far are black. What's your point? We kept Chris Freakin' Tabor (who seems to be like teflon. Undisciplined Special Teams but nothing seems to stick to him. I wonder if he dates Jimmy's Daughter or something)
And I agree. That's just racist. Nickname his staff "The Brotha Hood" That's not right. I'm not going to go into some big explanation about labeling, but that's just offensive
Um, Petey... what color is Teflon?
But I do agree, Olskool's comments are out of line.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
Not really sure. I know of it mostly in paint. It's slick.
So when I say he's like Teflon, I mean that nothing sticks to him. Isn't that the same reason John Gotti was known as "Teflon Don" (because they couldn't get any criminal charges to stick to him).
So yeah, Tabor, who I've wanted fired for years, simply won't go down, just like John Gotti. Everyone else gets fired, but not Tabor. "He's a good coach" is what they say when the left side of our line on Field Goals keeps colapsing, lol. Or when Benjamin makes a fantastic run, and then loses it to a penalty.
I miss the good ole' days of Brad Seely and Mangini special teams. Those guys were held accountable and played like it (Although Blake Constanzo would get his fair share of penalties, but at least he was ferocious)
I dont think most understand how hard it is to be a special teams coordinator for the Browns when the bottom half of your roster are major special teams contributors and we overall the bottom 2/3 of our roster every year or every other year. I think the job Tabor has done has been so amazing, I would have loved for him to be head coach.
Imma start follow you two on Twitter. Y'all stay keeping us updated.
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Saunders was Hue's OC in 2011 when Hue was HC of the Raiders.
...and 46 years of coaching experience, working for the following head coaches...
Dennis Allen...Senior Offensive Assistant Don Coryell...Wide Receivers Joe Gibbs...Offensive Coordinator John Harbaugh...Offensive Consultant Hue Jackson...Offensive Coordinator Scott Linehan...Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz...Asst Head Coach/Wide Receivers Marty Schottenheimer...Asst. Head Coach/Wide Receivers Dick Vermeil...Offensive Coordinator, Asst. Head Coach/Wide Receivers
And when we do get a not so typical player who has an ability, we don't do anything to take advantage of that. For example: Mingo... dude is stupid quick. He's a guy that should be moved all over, and should be on delayed blitzes, or roaming the line looking for a gap to shoot. Find him avenues to the QB similar to what you'd do with a blitzing safety or CB.
And when we do get a not so typical player who has an ability, we don't do anything to take advantage of that. For example: Mingo... dude is stupid quick. He's a guy that should be moved all over, and should be on delayed blitzes, or roaming the line looking for a gap to shoot. Find him avenues to the QB similar to what you'd do with a blitzing safety or CB.
That seals it. DD2847 for DC!
I'd rather go with FN-2187, his blitz packages are better..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Really hope that Saunders can be brought in. Depending on who eventually gets landed, I think we can confirm Hue's comment on people wanting to coach with him. Nobody is hired yet, but the guys we're going after are pretty much the opposite of the coaching scrap heap. We're luring away coaches that are under contract and (allegedly) want to be kept on by their respective teams. I like it.
I'm very meh on the 3-4 vs 4-3 debate. If we stick with a 3-4, it's probably not going to be the dumpster fire 3-4 we ran this year, so it's basically a scheme change. I can get on board with another Ray Horton hire. I wasn't happy with his defense, but I'm willing to accept that he needed more time to really build some momentum. Iirc, he was switching us from a 4-3, and his players were really involved and bought into his coaching. I think there was enough there to justify giving it another go.
Schwartz would probably also be a good hire in the long run. I don't particularly like the guy, but only because I think he's an ass, and not so much because of the results he gets. I think there will be some casualties from switching to a 4-3, like Kruger and maybe Dansby and Robertson, but I feel like we'd also be taking better advantage of our dline talent.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
And when we do get a not so typical player who has an ability, we don't do anything to take advantage of that. For example: Mingo... dude is stupid quick. He's a guy that should be moved all over, and should be on delayed blitzes, or roaming the line looking for a gap to shoot. Find him avenues to the QB similar to what you'd do with a blitzing safety or CB.
That seals it. DD2847 for DC!
I appreciate the vote! I don't know why you weren't on the selection committee with the Haslams.. everybody else was! j/k
I'm not saying Mingo is a HoFer, but I do see a fairly unique player for his position. He's never going to be able to put on 60lbs, or bullrush a tackle, and he won't win any battles straight up over strength. So it seems stupid to put him in positions as if he is able to do all those things. And dropping him primarily in to coverage basically takes away the strengths he does have. Until Mingo plays for a DC who can think outside the box, he'll always under perform.
I know the name plate for my office door hasn't come back yet from the engravers, but Clem, will you be my trusted assistant DC?
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I'm not sure why so many dislike the idea of Horton.
Let's face it, neither here nor in TN. did he have the personnel in place to run his scheme to its full potential. I think he did a great job here given the talent he had in place to work with. It wasn't a world beater, yet all things considered I believe he did a great job given the talent he had to work with.
That's my true test of any coach.
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I'm not sure why so many dislike the idea of Horton.
Let's face it, neither here nor in TN. did he have the personnel in place to run his scheme to its full potential. I think he did a great job here given the talent he had in place to work with. It wasn't a world beater, yet all things considered I believe he did a great job given the talent he had to work with.
That's my true test of any coach.
What's the point. Any reasonable DC that has incredible talent is going to have a pretty darn good Defense.
The REAL DEAL DC will take average and make it better. I don't think he did that.
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Now that the Eagles hired Schwartz, do you want to look at guys from teams still playing ?
Not a fan of bringing Horton back..
Take the chance and wait on one of these guys ?
Patriots...
Josh Boyer-Cornerbacks Coach... wiki Patrick Graham-Linebackers Coach... wiki Brendan Daly-Defensive Line Coach... wiki
Denver... Chris Beake - Defensive Assistant... link Reggie Herring - Linebackers... wiki Bill Kollar - Defensive Line... wiki Fred Pagac - Outside Linebackers... wiki Joe Woods - Defensive Backs... wiki
Arizona... Bob Sanders-Linebackers... wiki Kevin Ross-Cornerbacks... wiki
Carolina... Steve Wilks-Assistant Head Coach/Secondary... wiki Al Holcomb-Linebackers... link Eric Washington-Defensive Line... link
I disagree. If you look at our D before he came and after he left, I believe he made the most of the talent he had.
You can't turn a YUGO into a Mercedes.
Pit, have you ever visited the Villages in Florida... There are a lot of Golf Carts that have been turned into Lambos and Ferrari's.,., LOL Just kidding
Anyway, I guess it's a matter of opinion, but I do beleive that if you have an exceptional level of talent, you could plug just about any DC in and they will still stand out.
JMO
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I believe I may not have made my point clear. My bad for that.
The point I would like to make is not that you need top notch talent at every position. Nor do I believe you need a lot of stud players. But what you do need is talent that fits in your scheme.
Sort of like the discussion going on about the OL scheme. It's much harder to run a straight ahead blocking scheme with more finesse type blockers. They are more suited for pulling and zone blocking. The players need to fit the scheme. A coach needs players that fit the scheme he wants o run.
I'm sure that Horton felt he had more than a year to accomplish that. Even with that said, the D performed much better when he was here than before he got here and after he left. To me that shows he got more out of the players he had available to him than other DC's did.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I believe I may not have made my point clear. My bad for that.
The point I would like to make is not that you need top notch talent at every position. Nor do I believe you need a lot of stud players. But what you do need is talent that fits in your scheme.
Sort of like the discussion going on about the OL scheme. It's much harder to run a straight ahead blocking scheme with more finesse type blockers. They are more suited for pulling and zone blocking. The players need to fit the scheme. A coach needs players that fit the scheme he wants o run.
I'm sure that Horton felt he had more than a year to accomplish that. Even with that said, the D performed much better when he was here than before he got here and after he left. To me that shows he got more out of the players he had available to him than other DC's did.
I got your point too, but a slight correction.
While I'm sure you meant gap blocking in your statement. Power blocking is not necessarily gap blocking and you literally need pulling players for power blocking. Power blocking gets it's name from Vince Lombardi's power sweeps.
Watch all the pulling lineman in the video below.
Most guys that played High School ball probably had a few power plays in the playbook.
I believe I may not have made my point clear. My bad for that.
The point I would like to make is not that you need top notch talent at every position. Nor do I believe you need a lot of stud players. But what you do need is talent that fits in your scheme.
Sort of like the discussion going on about the OL scheme. It's much harder to run a straight ahead blocking scheme with more finesse type blockers. They are more suited for pulling and zone blocking. The players need to fit the scheme. A coach needs players that fit the scheme he wants o run.
I'm sure that Horton felt he had more than a year to accomplish that. Even with that said, the D performed much better when he was here than before he got here and after he left. To me that shows he got more out of the players he had available to him than other DC's did.
Does anyone know off the top of their head what TEN ran prior to Horton's arrival? His last stint here he was transitioning the DEF from a 4-3... if he comes back, he's got (generally speaking) a 3-4 roster. Hopefully that means if HORTON HEARS A... HUE this week and comes back on board, we'll see a more immediate impact defensively.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I believe I may not have made my point clear. My bad for that.
The point I would like to make is not that you need top notch talent at every position. Nor do I believe you need a lot of stud players. But what you do need is talent that fits in your scheme.
Sort of like the discussion going on about the OL scheme. It's much harder to run a straight ahead blocking scheme with more finesse type blockers. They are more suited for pulling and zone blocking. The players need to fit the scheme. A coach needs players that fit the scheme he wants o run.
I'm sure that Horton felt he had more than a year to accomplish that. Even with that said, the D performed much better when he was here than before he got here and after he left. To me that shows he got more out of the players he had available to him than other DC's did.
Does anyone know off the top of their head what TEN ran prior to Horton's arrival? His last stint here he was transitioning the DEF from a 4-3... if he comes back, he's got (generally speaking) a 3-4 roster. Hopefully that means if HORTON HEARS A... HUE this week and comes back on board, we'll see a more immediate impact defensively.
They were running a 4-3 with Wimbley and Derrick Morgan at DE.
I'm not sure why so many dislike the idea of Horton.
Let's face it, neither here nor in TN. did he have the personnel in place to run his scheme to its full potential. I think he did a great job here given the talent he had in place to work with. It wasn't a world beater, yet all things considered I believe he did a great job given the talent he had to work with.
That's my true test of any coach.
What's the point. Any reasonable DC that has incredible talent is going to have a pretty darn good Defense.
The REAL DEAL DC will take average and make it better. I don't think he did that.
have you seen mingo and haden's play when he arrived compared to when he left?
hell, the whole team.
horton's defense wasn't the best, but it's still world's better than what pettine and oneil put out there.
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So in theory Horton (or any other 3-4 DC for that matter) shouldn't have to come in and deal with spending a year in transition. He should be able to focus on evaluation and upgrading where needed. I know some people are rather down on the level of talent we have, but no defensive unit is going to look good under a DC like O'Neill and an overly complicated scheme. I think those two factors more than anything held this group back.
Oh, and concussions.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
We had a ton of injuries. We were transferring form the 4-3 to the 3-4.
That's why I'm so confused what people are basing their displeasure for Horton on.
All things considered, I thought we were heading in the right direction. I believe it's astounding that people believed we could possibly do better on under Horton in one year.
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