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I believe that in our case, there are certain factors that need to be accounted for.

RG3 has an injury history to consider. When taking that into account, you don't have the stability from a health aspect that you had going into last year with Dalton.

We have had a need to go with our third QB on a fairly regular basis.

This FO and coaching staff had no part of signing any of the young QB's currently on the depth chart with the exception of the rookie.

So I'm not saying you are wrong, but the health and stability of Dalton going into last season is not the same position we are in now.

I see a huge need to keep 3 QB's active. Pretty sure Huge see's the same thing. We don't have a clear cut starter. And RGIII and McCown are injury prone. And the Brown's always get to the 3rd string QB at some point during every season.

Plus RGIII and Kessler need veteran leadership with McCown.

Why does RG3 "need veteran leadership with McCown"?

He is an experienced player, and has had both success and failure. Hue will let him know what he requires from him. If RG3 is, for whatever reason, unable to handle what Hue expects, including leadership, then he won't be here when the season starts.

I suspect that RG3 has seen his mistakes, and is willing to learn from them, and work to improve upon his weaknesses. He seems open to all of the coaching points that Hue has presented him with .... including going to work with Tom House.

I just don't see McCown as being this "guru on the bench". Hue and his coaches are going to be the voice in the ear of the QB. I also think that a young player is more valuable than a 39 year old backup QB. (and I say that with all due respect for the job McCown did last year, especially under difficult circumstances)

As far as needing that 3rd guy because we "always need 3 QB" .... if we need a 3rd QB, then it might as well be a young guy who may have some upside. This team is not going to be a winner this year.

*Edit to add* When this team becomes a consistent winner, a huge piece of that is going to be not needing 3 or more different QBs starting. We won't win consistently until we can keep one guy healthy and under Center week in and week out.

I saw you posted Josh was 39 a couple of times. He is 36. I realize that doesn't change your point.

1) RG3 isn't the sure starter. He's got to learn to throw from the pocket to start and that isn't a sure thing.

2) RG3 gets hurt. A lot.

3) Kessler may eventually improve enough to be a back-up, but he's nowhere close to that yet.

4) Josh is cheap and needed.

Unless they think someone else is far and away better this season and going forward.. There is no reason RG3 won't be the starter..

They can talk about all the competions and "earning the job" they want, you sign RG3 as a low risk high reward STARTER to see if he's got anything at all.. Not to be Josh McCowns backup..

I believe that is the FO's expectation, but let's see how it plays out...

Oooops .... he just seems 39, (Sorry Josh)

I'd probably rearrange ur #1 to #4, or even take it off all together.

What does being a pocket passer have to do with him starting? Hes been a starter in the past, and so have other non "pocket- passers", ie Manziel. Staying healthy is RG3s biggest challenge.

He doesn't have to be a pocket passer, but he has to be able to throw from the pocket. You gave the reason why in your last sentence. If he is out of the pocket for every play week 1, he'll be on the injury report week 2.

Must be nice to be such a young fella

My opinion exactly YTown.

We can pick that young player back up once RG3 gets hurt.

imo,... That's a moot point. It's not as much a question of the 53 man roster, as it is about how many you can dress (Active) for a game. Today the rules favor keeping three QB's because even if you only dress two,...you can still bring your 3rd QB in an emergency off of the inactive list.

My personal prefernce is to have Kessler (a rookie) my #3, and two veterans dressed for a game.

I also think that my #3 QB is more valuable to the team, than the 53rd player on the roster, who will not see the field anyway.

More:

Most of the OSU players will have solid careers: Braxton, Zeke, Michael Thomas, Darron Lee, Adolphous Washington and Tyvis Powell will probably do better than their counterparts.

More:

The Jets taking Christian Hackenberg will prove to be the worst pick in the entire draft.

I try to stay out of football discussions anymore but I agree with this.

I think so too.

That was an awful pick.

I predict that one of the browns will win Rookie of the year

For this to be true, the most likely is Corey Coleman...but wouldn't it be great if it were 7th round pick Scooby Wright.

Not sure what you mean?I hope it is friendly

plus 1 excellent analysis
But at the otas they were really excited about the outside linebacker we drafted.

I could see Ogbah getting DROY if he can get the sack numbers up..

Goff will get OROY as long as he isn't terrible..

Ezekiel Elliott?

Maybe...do you know that young back up practice squad player can sign to another team's active roster at any point?

Forgot about him..

Bold Prediction: Elliot doesn't have a "great" rookie season due to being uncomfortable wearing a full length jersey.

This is why I would keep McCown as the #2 QB.

This team is obviously not able to support a rookie quarterback in a way that advances his development. Months have been spent discussing the weaknesses of this roster. If you care at all that Kessler has a chance to become a viable quarterback at some pont, having him one RG3 knee ligament away from starting is not wise.

Creating any situation where he might be forced on to the field too early is a mistake. I think the extra roster spot gained from only having two QBs on the active roster is a good point. Supposedly nobody wants Kessler, he should clear waivers and make it to the practice squad. Bring him up later if needed. Meanwhile he's in the QB room learning how to play NFL QB from Hue Jackson.

I would say there is a 0% chance Kessler makes it through waivers.

Also, it is misnomer to say that nobody wants him. He would have been drafted had we not taken him.

OK, if as you suggests, Kessler has enough value to be signed to another team's active roster, which is what you're suggesting. I don't think it's permissible to acquire him and then stash him on another team's PS. If what I'm saying is accurate then just keep him and McCown. Again, you are keeping McCown as protection from rushing Kessler in as a very young and inexperienced starter. I don't think I really have to say we've done that on a number of occassions. We all know the outcome.

The difference between Kessler and many of our other "projects" (McCoy, Manziel, Weeden, etc.) is that he should at least be able to handle an NFL playbook right away.

If he can lift it.

I've often been able to digest the logic from your post. Just not this time. I am not aware of any evidence, especially at this stage of the off season, that would convince me that Kessler is more advanced than the quaterbacks you mention in terms of mastery of a N?FL playbook. Look, the team overall needs development. Putting Kessler in the precarious position of being the number 2 does not help him or the Browns.

If we believe in the merits of competition then Kessler should not, emerge from camp as the #2.

I think I get what you are saying. Comes from a "pro-like" (my term) offense takes snaps under center, etc. I don't think that prepars him to be one play away from starting.

Kessler played in a Pro Style offense at USC and played four several different coordinators. This leads me to believe he will be better prepared for the pros than the previously mentioned QBs who played in true spread systems. Kessler is also known to be a very smart, hard-working individual. Those traits, when combined with his playing experience, make me think he can be a #2 QB in the league today.

Laughing, but not at you...I was editing my last post in anticipation of the pro-style offense argument before I saw your most recent post.

Ok, we have a difference of opinion. I understand you argument hopefully you understand mine. I don't see that the Browns' gain a great deal from accelerating Kessler's development. But they risks harm to him and the team by rushing him. You don't share my concern about that risk.

I don't think Kessler is going to develop. He is who he is.

Aaaahhhh, that definitely helps me understand your position.

J/K,

Wow!
I cant believe anyone would suggest keeping only two QB's over the 53rd man on the roster WHO WILL NEVER BE ACTIVE FOR A GAME.

Where is the logic?

There ain't none.

Nothing gained. Period!

Lossed? Well yes your emergency QB and the benifit of time for a rookie to develop.

But hey if you really think that that 53rd man is so ultra important, then by all means carry on with your discussion about keeping said player over a 3rd QB.

Jm 2cents.