DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh McCown...might be the Browns best QB.

A lot of talk of tanking. We will not tank the season, we don't have to. We will have the worst record in the league while trying our best. We don't have to try to lose. It's the natural by product of less talent than all of your opponents.

Not all is lost, though. From what I saw in week 1, outside of talent on offense, talent on defense, talent on special teams, and coaching ... we were right there.

in my mind, the two teams who are very bad who also would draft a QB are Chicago and SF (the Bills might as well, but they'll at least win 5-6).

Well, SF won last week. Every win by them should make us happy.

I have never prescribed to playing for draft picks. Building a winning culture is far more important.

Heck, we had the 2nd overall pick last year and we ended up w/Corey Coleman.

Of course that is a possibility, mac. It can't be ruled out. But forget the speculating, how would YOU handle the current QB dilemma?

It doesn't matter how big of a boost Josh will/could be to the offense when the defense is what ours is.

It just simply doesn't matter. Having a competent Qb though could help the younger people, especially Erving with the line sliding and protections.

IMO, if the Browns plan is to draft Watson next year, then the performance of McCown this year will not change that one bit.

I believe his thought was that a competent QB could win games, thus not giving us the opportunity to draft Watson.. not that they would think McCown was some how the long term solution.

I personally would love to have Watson but I also want to win as many games as we can this year, if that number is 5 or 6 or 3.. doesn't matter, win as many as you can. the Rams had the #1 pick last year and their QB selection was in jeans on Sunday while the #2 QB taken is the talk of the NFL right now..

Oh yeah, we've dug the hole already. There's no going back. Can you imagine had we released or traded Josh, what situation we'd be in? Making a bad situation worse.

The priority is and will always be Qb. Look at Oakland, Carr comes in and now look.

The good news is, with our schedule and our "team" - we will be in the top five and we'll get a good crack at the high level Qb prospects. It would be great to see a Qb here earn a big fat contract and playing solid ball. That would just be fantastic.

Then we should have drafted Wentz. End of Thread.

We've been thru seasons like this one is shaping up to be for 15 years.

j/c

I guess all of this talk about tanking is subjective.

When the FO gets rid of a ton of veteran players and keeps 16 rookies plus a lot of second year players on the roster, are they trying to win or trying to develop talent?

I don't believe anyone can honestly say this FO put winning over development. Now that doesn't mean they don't want to win, just that winning has been made very difficult based on the plan that's in place.

With that much youth, it's the future you're building for, not the now. We simply don't have the experience and developed talent on the field to win at this time.

The FO knows it, the coaching staff knows it and objective fans know it. I can see how some can see that as tanking the season.

I didn't want to sound even more negative, but I believe we truly are on deck for #1 overall selection. I really and seriously do. And I'll even take the negativity one step more, and say it'll come on the premises of just legit loses and not even trying to "tank", we're just really that bad in my eyes.

Sad the only records on deck for being feasible to break includes the amount of loses the season will have.

Couldn't this mindset of veteran players on the roster been the same for the vet players that were heading for free agency?

One game as QB, and with this Defense that gave up 29 points and we should throw RG under a bus?

Honestly, I don't know if he's the answer, I tend to thing not, but hey, what do I know.

Except, I think it takes more than one game.

There are no QB's IMO worthy of the #1 pick unless someone comes out of the wood work which could happen. Besides what makes you believe this FO won't trade high picks away for a bunch of meaningless later picks like they usually do?

RG threw himself under that bus when he forgot to protect himself.

See mac we can agree on stuff! I said something just like this the other day.

And that plan didn't fit the Brown's. Someone should be accountable. They could have still taken Wentz for backup. But Nooooo!...we have McCussion and a rookie 4th rounder to try and develop over the next few years.

Kudos, Pit. That is likely the most objective, non-partisan statement that I've read on here in quite a while...

That's fair. I just wanted to be clear that you didn't think the vets on the squad before FA weren't already upset with the franchise's losing ways.

Then why didn't they draft a youthful QB with their 2016 1st rd pick? Everyone knew RGIII was a reach and they still passed on Wentz. Pfft.

The Browns have publicly said that they did not view Wentz as a top 20 qb. It was a moronic thing to say in public, but I guess that doesn't matter much.

What will matter is whether or not Wentz turns out to be good or not. At this point, we don't know either way.

We could've had our choice between Carr and Teddy.....

There isn't a week that goes by w/out me thinking about that.

Hope for a Vikings Superbowl run with Bradford, then you probably get Teddy in a Browns uni.

I really wanted Teddy... I thought he could be an upgraded Alex Smith type QB.

I think about that all the time too. Dereck or Teddy AND Odell. It makes me sick.

Me too. Isn't it amazing to think if had one of those two qbs and OBJ?

Ah, that makes sense. Apologies to mac for misunderstanding his point.

You're a good soul, Cap.

Wentz and many others that we could have drafted went on the fast track for their teams and have done well and we're still waiting to draft a top QB after trading down from top picks again. Not a very smart way to rebuild/build in a QB dependent league.

Just saying not drafting a QB with our top pick is still haunting us after 15 years in this league. That's insanity in it's purest form.