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LMFAO Bro you have to admit we have both been assuming since 1964. But at least this time we both at least like the Plan

I think the browns front office is a genius getting a 27 year old linebacker for a comp pick.

You just aren't right about almost all of that

Yeah...you don't want the FO fired.

Hmmm reminds me of what the Browns did with players who didn't want to play in Cleveland but wanted to be over paid. Both do the same thing Browns front office are idiots and Bill and crew are geniuses.

If San Fran had made this exact trade Mac would be complaining that we didnt, most likely BECAUSE Collins wants to be paid..

Now, Collins IS NOT Von Miller talent..he has 10.5 sacks in 3.5yrs and only 1 sack in 7 games this season. I would rate Collins as a bit over average.

the guy is a top 5 linebacker in this league and it really doesnt have a damn thing to do with sack numbers. He isnt a pass rusher but he is a terrific linebacker.

The FO may end up being a total joke but we need playmakers and we added one that is 27 years old.

My concern is that we had 14 draft picks and thus far not one of them has wowed me. I like Kessler and Nassib but I dotn know if they are gonna be more than a decent player. The waiver wire are full of decent players.

If we wanted an OLB that isn't much of a pass rusher, but great in coverage, we could have kept Mingo

Are we really complaining about potentially having to pay a guy because he's good?

No, this is the sort of deal we should make. Banks for a 2018 7th, for almost nothing. Good CB in the right system and might actually be a better FS (not that we need one...)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000732164/article/lions-trade-for-buccaneers-cb-johnthan-banks

Only an idiot would compare the 2. Take that for what its worth.

So maybe I'm an idiot for thinking that no 3-4 OLB can be classified as a "good" who doesn't rush the passer. This was exactly the criticism towards Mingo who was average or better vs the run and in coverage.

Collins better cover these RB and TE for 6+ seconds. Something he probably didn't need to do in NE.

Here's my take of Collins out of the draft. Didn't want any part of him and this assessment seems to be still accurate, if he's still a "freelancer":

"He's a "jump tackler", for some reason he likes to jump into tackles, horrible technique and at the NFL level a shoulder/neck injury waiting to happen. He has some J.Jones to his game...running around blocks, not very physical, little pass rush moves, just speed and athleticism...unblocked, his athleticism is evident and a menace but I just don't see a natural football player"

Sounds a lot like Mingo, but what do I know, I'm an idiot...

If he's so terrible, why did NE offer him 11 mil a year?

Mac, if you believe, as you stated in another post, that our front office does not want to win, why the heck don't you want them fired. I would not want anyone in my football organization who did not want to build a winner.

have you seen Mingo play?

Did you even read the last paragraph, or do you actively ignore stuff like that?

one of the WEEI hosts told him, “It does feel like you’re doing Belichick’s bidding.” Lombardi took issue with that,

As soon as I saw the source I dismissed it out of hand. Lombardi is a POS lying scumbag with an agenda. Doesn't matter what the issue might be. That's just who he is.

Not very physical?? Have you EVER watched him play? You're just making crap up now.

You want pathetic, look at the first two years of the 90's Cowboy Super Bowl teams. Should Jimmy Johnson have been fired? What did you think we were going to look like this year? This is a complete rebuild project. We are in year ONE. Winning one game HURTS us at this point. I have no problem with anyone on this coaching staff at this point and here's why.... Even if everything went perfectly this season this staff had a huge task in front of it. We got YOUNG and we did so very quickly(hence my mention of the Cowboy rebuild). We installed new systems on both sides of the ball. We were then handed a tough schedule. I thought we'd be very lucky if we won a couple games. Then RG3 goes down game one. McCown goes down game two. Kessler goes down. Whitehurst goes down. Etc. etc. We've suffered injury upon injury on both sides of the ball. I think this staff has done a remarkable job considering the circumstances. When this season started I was already looking ahead to next year's draft. This is just season one game (insert number). Another step on the path. You tear it down then you build it up. I think we have some damned fine teaching coaches and man do they have a lot of first and second-year students. Next year it will probably be the same. We have a lot of picks and they will be high picks in each round. If we draft a rookie QB then you'll have to deal with his growing pains... This is the time to settle in, understand what this season is, and stay the course! If in year three we still aren't winning games THEN start beginning to think something is awry.

First of all, he will be playing in a completely different defense. He may kill quarterbacks in ours. If not we're out very little. Lots of holes to fill on that D. I'm not mad they are working at it. He either fits or he doesn't and finding out costs us very little. That seems prudent to me man.

Not for nothing, but I think that paragraph might say that Lombardi is still Belichicks mouthpiece.

Still doing his masters bidding.

Cleveland Browns midseason report card: F

By The Sports Xchange | Nov. 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM

MIDSEASON REPORT CARD

--PASSING OFFENSE: C-minus -- Six players have taken snaps at quarterback for the Browns halfway through the season. They have combined to throw nine touchdown passes and nine interceptions. They have played six games without rookie wide receiver Corey Coleman, who has been sidelined since suffering a broken hand in practice before playing the Dolphins the third week of the season. The biggest problem for the Browns on offense isn't the quarterbacks. It is the offensive line protecting them. Injuries and free agency have left right guard John Greco and left tackle Joe Thomas as the only holdovers from last season.

--RUSHING OFFENSE: B -- The same people blocking for the quarterbacks have been inconsistent opening holes for running backs Isaiah Crowell and Duke Johnson. The Browns averaged 149 yards a game on the ground through the first four weeks, but then they played the Patriots in Week 5. The Patriots keyed on the running attack and the Browns had no counterpunch. Still, after eight weeks the Browns are averaging 4.9 yards a carry (185 rushes for 912 yards). That puts them ahead of the pace they set last year when they rushed for 1,529 yards and scored five rushing touchdowns all season. They have eight rushing touchdowns this season.

--COACHING: C -- A "C" might seem a generous grade for the coaching staff of a team with a 0-8 record, but players still believe Hue Jackson is the right head coach for this team. That is reflected in the way they play. The record doesn't reflect it, but the Browns have played hard in nearly every game. They are still learning to finish, and until they do they could be in for more near-misses the second half of the season.

--PASS DEFENSE: D-minus -- The Browns have already allowed 19 passing touchdowns and there is half a season remaining. The pass rush has been pathetic. The Browns have 14 sacks, but too often they apply little or no pressure. When the opposing quarterback has all day, as Marcus Mariota did on Oct. 16, he picks the Browns apart. Cornerback Joe Haden missed three games with a groin injury. Cornerback Jamar Taylor has been inconsistent and cornerback Tramon Williams is 35. It's a recipe for disaster.

--RUSH DEFENSE: D -- Four rookies -- end Carl Nassib, linebackers Emmanuel Ogbah and Joe Schobert and safety Tracy Howard -- start on defense. Two others -- safety Derrick Kindred and Brian Boddy-Calhoun -- play significant roles. The result is predictable. The Browns are often out of position and they miss too many tackles. Through eight games they are allowing an average of 4.8 yards a carry. The question is how much better can the rookies play? Head coach Hue Jackson has eight games to find the answer.

--SPECIAL TEAMS: B -- After a shaky start the first two weeks, the Browns' coverage teams have played well. Kicker Cody Parkey looks like he could be the long-term answer. The biggest problem is there is no threat on kickoff or punt returns. That could change when Corey Coleman returns from a broken hand that kept him sidelined the past six weeks.

--OVERALL: F. In the alternative, an incomplete might be justifiable because so much of this team is incomplete.

Most Valuable Player: Running back Isaiah Crowell. Crowell is in his third season and playing significantly better than he did his first two years. He has already surpassed last year's modest total of four rushing touchdowns, but what is significant is he is running with more authority and finding the running lanes more quickly than in either of his first two seasons. That enables him to get to full speed faster, and that allows him to break more tackles. After eight games he has 106 carries for 524 yards and five rushing touchdowns.

Most Disappointing Player: Cornerback Joe Haden. Players cannot help being injured, but the cliche that the best ability is availability certainly applies to Haden. After missing 11 games with injuries last season, he missed three of the first eight this season with groin injuries. He has two interceptions, but quarterbacks no longer avoid his side of the field as they once did.

Most surprising rookie: Quarterback Cody Kessler. This was supposed to be a watch-and-learn season for Kessler, but that quickly changed when Robert Griffin III suffered a broken bone in his left shoulder in the first game and Josh McCown suffered a broken collarbone in the second. Kessler started five games before a concussion sidelined him. In that time he showed why head coach Hue Jackson made such a strong pitch to draft him. Kessler completed 66.9 percent of his passes -- 89 of 133 for 947 yards -- and threw only one interception while throwing four touchdown passes. Kessler is no longer in the concussion protocol. Jackson plans to wait until the end of the week to name his starting quarterback for the game with the Cowboys next Sunday. He could go with McCown for a second straight week or go back to Kessler.

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The following is not a criticism, mac, merely food for thought. I came across this while reading and thought of you:

'And what's more, I have to say, so far you've only understood a small fraction of the difficulty which this involves...'

Plato, Parmenides

The trouble with grades like this is: They give an F overall even though the lowest grade on there is a D- , does not seem to take into account the B's or C's. Okay so we get an F for not winning a game, but do you just throw away everything else?

There are things they didn't show a grade on.

No doubt. Some up-beat comments also. Just seems silly to give us an F, when there are bright spots. I guess winning cures all, so if and when we start winning maybe our grade will improve.

Our GRADE is 0 - 8 ....

understood. Maybe we'll win one for the gipper

I think once we get some o-line help and some real help in our def secondary that we will have a pretty good team and yes I know what our record is but our team is very close to turning a corner I think.

Yeah, but we still have the chance to go 8-8

And no, I don't believe it LOL

From what I have seen this season ... the F feels like a gift.

The goal is to win games. If none of the bright spots are resulting in wins, then it doesn't help the grade much.