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I just always get annoyed with the semantics of it.

When people would say Washington "gave up 3 1sts for RG3"

No, they traded two first, to be able to swap theirs with the Rams.

That's because it's assumed that you know the swap is an automatic part of the deal so then what your talking about IS the COST of making that move/swap.

But it seems to be in a vacuum.

If we hypothetically trade a 3rd to move #12 up, you wouldn't say we traded a 1st and a 3rd. You'd say it "cost" us a 3rd to move up...

I think people's opinions, negatively or positively, of a trade effects how they say it.

I believe that there is no consensus. Some will have Cory Davis at the top, but there isn't going to be that great of a grade difference. I favor Davis.

So who do you think we should draft at #1?

Did folks watch that kid Zay Jones in the Senior bowl .. Really had some kind of body control ..

Teams are offering because they want a player. Screw the picks. It time to start taking players with some of these picks.

You should watch Corey Davis. I'd say he is the best WR and it's not that close.

How would you know? Seriously?

Isn't that just an opinion.

You and cfrs state opinions like fact and do so w/an arrogance that is very off-putting.

I wish that the two of you would stop posing as all-knowing experts.

Disclaimer: All of my posts are my own thoughts and opinions. They were not dictated to me by the holy ghost of Paul Brown. I am sorry if I confused anyone. I share your regret.

Corey Davis is the best WR in the class imho imho IMO jmo

Much better.

I think Corey and Mike are both excellent WRs. To me Corey is more of an NFL slot or #2 guy though. Mike is more of that #1 mold or possession WR type.

I would not mind Mike as our #1, TP as our slot/#3, and our Corey Coleman as our #2. I am not sure if Corey Davis would fit with what we already have.

I do know hue has said he likes big physical WR though so that should tell you he probably likes Mike better but I doubt we draft a WR this year either way.

I haven't seen those reports. How do you know this?

GW won't let him take plays off. I think we finally have a DC who is going to push his players to be the best they can be. He seems like a no nonsense guy.

Note this is Matt Miller from Bleacher Report not former Lions GM Matt Millen.
I misread it the 1st time


Matt Miller: Myles Garrett Is Clowney With A Better Work Ethic
January 31, 2017 7:48 AM

Cleveland offensive lineman Joe Thomas does not want the Browns to take a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in this year’s NFL Draft. Neither does Matt Miller – not if the Browns want to maximize the pick, that is.

“I think this year (Thomas is) on to something,” Miller, the Bleacher Report NFL Draft scout extraordinaire, said on CBS Sports Radio’s The DA Show. “There’s not that clear-cut quarterback. You can say what you want about how Jared Goff performed this year, but a year ago, everyone in the NFL believed he was the No. 1 quarterback of the draft. Before that, we had Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota in the same class, so that was a really fortunate year. But you look at the landscape of quarterbacks right now and there really isn’t that go-to guy. What Joe Thomas is saying is, ‘Let’s go get a pass-rusher. Let’s get Myles Garrett from Texas A&M, and we’ll build up a strength on defense.’ Then you can take a couple different swings at quarterback.”

And hopefully connect on, say, the next Russell Wilson, a former third-round pick, or the next Dak Prescott, a former fourth-rounder.

“I think there’s a little bit of a trend now where people would love to find that mid-round quarterback that they can build around,” Miller said.

As for the aforementioned Garrett, Miller believes the A&M product is the clear-cut No. 1 prospect in this year’s draft.

“He’s like a Jadeveon Clowney with a better work ethic coming out of college,” Miller said. “So athletically, he’s going to kill people. It’s amazing. He’s probably going to run in the 4.5 range at 275 pounds, to be 6-4, he has power and leg agility – really, everything you want. You go down your checklist of what should a pass rusher look like, and he’s going to check every one of those boxes. So it’s really a no-brainer to make him the No. 1 pick, just like it was for Clowney back in 2014.”

In fact, Miller said Garrett is a combination of Clowney and Joey Bosa.

“He’s going to give you elite athletic traits, but he’s also going to give you that production right out of the gate,” Miller said, “whereas Clowney had to learn how to fight through adversity a little bit, how to work at the pro level. So with Garrett, you’re getting a guy who’s super intelligent, self-motivated, a hard worker, and he has those athletic traits that are going to just wow people when they see him at the Combine in about three weeks.”

http://da.radio.cbssports.com/2017/01/31...ter-work-ethic/

mary Kay has said it a few timesnow because she wants the Browns to draft Trubisky. Now I am sure scouts and coaches for several teams would say that Garrett is lazy and out of shape, doesnt have any mores and shouldnt be taken in the top 10. Tis the season to sabotage players so they fall into your lap.

A lot of what is perceived as lack of effort is just disciplined and smart football. Chasing the play and crashing into the line has given up a multitude of 25 yard plus runs over the last few years. What would have happened if our end/olb had stayed home and prevented the cutback or reverse?

I hear folks say he needs to improve his play versus the run but you saw team after team run away from him. hell the kansas st game folks keep referencing should be seen as just how well respected and scared the team was. they didnt run one single play to the left until Garrett went out of the game soon as he did they ran left. He comes back they attack the right.

If teams are foolish enough to believe any of these QBs are worth taking before our 12th pick woohoo. That just means one of the true studs falls into our lap and I could really give a rats ass about any of these QBs. I dont really see any difference in Webb than these other QBs. None are very accurate all have issues and scheme problems. Hell I would rather go with Kesler and RG3 again than spend a first or even a 2nd on a QB in this draft.

Matt Millan said something good about a prospect?

Great...now Garrett is jinxed. Trade down! Trade down!

This.....I have said this before, but it's worth repeating..Clay Matthews was an all-pro...one of my favorite players back in the day, but go watch some of his games, you just have to laugh...running around the pile, running up to the pile and falling down on the pile if he could not get there then he would just trot up to the pile and either jump over it or just lay down on it. But he was an all-pro, he was just being smart, no sense in beating up yourself for no reason when the play is already over.

I thought the same thing initially but it's Matt Miller not Matt Millen

No, it was Matt Miller

Just take Garrett and be done with it.

Succinct and correct.

Those 5 NFL execs, Mayock, Jeremiah, and others have said the same thing. "Don't overthink this."

Just take Garrett.

Here's what I'm seeing......

When our players play out of position, lose containment from over pursuit, our fans pick up on that and criticize them and rightfully so.

Then when a draft pick like Garrett comes along who seems to play his position and hold containment pretty flawlessly, they accuse him of taking plays off and being lazy.

I think some feel QB starved or think passing on game changing players is a good idea, yet that's exactly what's gotten us to where we are now. Color me confused.

I agree with you.. I don't always fault our players because I know they are tired of losing and they just want to make a freaking play.. but when you get out of position, and the other team knows they can get you out of position, that is going to be exploited.

In the end they need to develop that trust and the motto of the Patriots, just do your job. To do that you have to trust that other people are going to do their job.. and we aren't there yet.

Pit, I don't recall anyone on here who thinks being QB-starved is acceptable. I do admit that there are some who are willing to trade down a few spots, passing on an 'elite' guy to get an extra quality starter or two who would represent value for the player we passed over. There is no one here (except for a troll or two) who does not want us to succeed.

There are three premium positions. QB, LT and pass rusher. No matter how you slice it, trading down would mean a downgrade at one of those premium positions. We've traded down may times and it's helped get us exactly to where we are.

I understand what you are saying and I made a distinction between an elite player and a quality starter. Downgrade may be too strong to describe the difference between the two terms, but I agree there may be a slight stepdown in performance. The value between 1 elite player and 2 quality starters would have to be 'real' for such a trade to occur. For the record, I do not want to trade out of the #1 spot...

I know you were talking to Pit but I personally have never accused anybody on here of wanting us to fail.. we just debate what is the best path to success.

And for my path, I don't like the word "value".. not in the first round and certainly not where you are talking about trading out of #1 to get "value".... You absolutely positively cannot win in this league consistently without some difference makers at a few key positions.. you can't, it's impossible. I don't care how much "value" you have at all of the other positions.. that buys you 8-8 at best and then you are left trying to find a stud while drafting in the teens.

We have the #1 pick, there is a stud who is almost universally agreed upon to be a game-changing type player... yea, I wish it was a QB, it's not.. but it's the next best thing.. This is as close to a no-brainer as I've seen in a while.

I've always been a fan of going after "safer" plays in FA like safety, OG, TE, WR #2.. then draft the edge rushers, QBs, LT, etc..

Doesn't always work out that way but trying to get better at the money positions through FA is extremely expensive, especially for a team like the Browns which doesn't have a big appeal...

But, then again, we are sitting on a crap load of money, so who knows.

I would honestly try to get an above average FA at every level of the defense this offseason, and possibly an OL and a WR.

We have the money THIS year, to front load a lot of garentees. Which keeps us free down the road to lock younger guys up.

If the Collins deal is any indication, it's totally possible.

You can use FA to fill holes, while still building through the draft.

That's the key for me.. I would hate to get 2 or 3 years down the road and have Shelton or Ogbah or somebody stud out and we don't have the money to keep them..

I guess my point was, I'm willing to be more risky in the draft, more conservative in FA.. but whatever we can improve without hog tying ourselves.. I'm down with it.

I think Corey Davis is plenty big enough and has #1 potential and will be effective on both the inside and out side, but unless we are not going to re-sign TP, I don't see us going in that direction early in the draft.

I think that there will be a lot of day 2 and 3 WRs avalible for competion at the position. No need to go there 2 years in a row imo.

I won't argue that mario is a HOFer but I'm pretty sure if myles ended up with 100 career sacks we would call that a good career. Also the reason that defense was so good was because Clowney stepped up and filled watts shoes. I'm not a Clowney fan at all but if he failed this year that defense likely would've went right with him.