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I'd take Mitch over him in a heartbeat .... a heartbeat ...

When we picked up RG3 and drafted cody I said Hue wanted Watson back then ... that was his plan ..... i hope i was wrong ....

If Hue draft Watson ... it will cost him his job ....

I agree that the bolded are common misconception that people have about Watson that doesn't match the film. I kinda consider those making those claims as a litmus test for how closely or even if they watch the film.

But I agree that he threw too many interceptions. Imho part of the interception totals are overconfidence in giving his receivers (especially Mike Williams) a chance to make a play. But he does need to cut down on them.


My approach to your questions don't stem on whether or not he should be the number 1 pick. But rather just addressing the specifics points you mention.

Whether or not Watson fits Hue's scheme is a very good question. For me that question leads to this question: what is Hue's scheme? Last year Hue's scheme seemed to be focused on pushing the ball downfield more then hitting quick rhythm WCO type passes like he did with Dalton. Imo Watson skillset profiles like a plus version of Dalton. I think Watson could come in day 1 and operate an quick passing offense like Jay Gruden's or the Bengals offense with Dalton. (Dalton was near top in college football from snap to release at 2.11s) But, I also think that his toughness and ability to hit the deep ball (top 5 iirc).

Because to be successful in the NFL you need to be able to do that. The threat of the run, the play action..you run much more effective than from shotgun. Being able to control the depth of your dropback and timing are all better under center..imo

Both can be successful. If you are successful at passing out of the shotgun, it will open up the run game.

i suppose, but you have many more options under center, and historically has been proven to be the best base formation..especially with watson's horrible accuracy and ball placement, no way i pick him, even at 12.... throw in his smallish frame and the amount of sacks we gave up...in the shot gun they can just pin their ears back run or pass and get into the backfield


http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/cle...r61fexwnwwn26rf

I don't even think he's the first QB taken and the QB group as a whole isn't that good.

Kizer is probably first because he is a little more NFL ready than the other two.

Mitch has a higher ceiling, but a lower floor. He isn't far behind Kizer but both of them are mid to low first rounders.

Watson will probably be there if we want him at #33 and I still don't want him.

Watson making fun of the Browns

I'm still on the trade up for Watson wagon. Him being there at 12 is a pipe dream. We can only PRAY the Jets get Cutler and want to trade with us. Oh lord that's a huge win.

"Making fun"

Yeah maybe they both could hold out

I agree with that part, though I am not a big fan of Watson.

Football is changing. The NFL needs to get with the program or they will have 25 teams needing a QB.

Please stop.

peen, the NFL is so much further advanced than college ball that it is a joke to even compare them.

I think its not only scheme, the chemestry has to exist between the QB and the HC. We have seen many QB's ruined because the relation between HC and QB is disfunctional.

I don't think there is anything on Waton that would make him fail playing under center. Acessing a QB is about projecting the prospect into the role, and so far, from the scouts analysing Watson in depth, I never saw one having a problem with him under center.

From what I have seen in Film (mostly Ohio and Alabama games), Watson looks very awere playing .

Now, you have.

lol the official draft report actually says all those are his weaknesses..I'm not sure what film you're watching but Watson is horrible under center and at making reads...asking him to play under center is one thing, being able to adjust protections, turn and hand the ball off, Playaction, timing plays all factor into why he's pretty much a project in any other draft where theres a decent QB...there are none worthy of a 1st round this year imo..Watson isn't even the best one in this draft

Honest question:

Are you going by general impression or are you relying on draft reports or do you watch film on your own?

combination of both.. I see him make alot of throws that are picked or incomplete at the next level..he has bad ball placement, he's got a good arm and velocity but he lacks touch and accuracy. Not to mention he's on the small side..His decision making is questionable at times...32 interceptions in 38 games is alarming. Let me qualify my stance that this is based on taking him #1 overall.. I think he's a first round guy this year, but don't want him #1

You can go to the thread where his film is breakdown and have a look.

Also all the scouts that were analysing Watson with film never mentioned most of the problems...

The fact he didn't play under center isn't because of his skills, its the way the offense is designed. I remember Brady Quinn...

Please go and watch his film, and then tell us where do you find the ball placement problems, reading defenses, etc.

I'm on the side that don't see any problems on the decision making, he's over confident, but I rather have an over confident QB than one that can't make a decision.

All and all he's a good QB worthy of the #1 pick for sure. If we take him,its a whole different matter...

ball placement problems and reading defenses probably have alot to do with his crapload of interceptions..and good god he's not worthy of #1 overall..imo he's not even a top 10 player in this draft..but because he plays QB a QB hungry team will reach...from PFF:

"While we had Watson at the top of the board to start the season, it’s been a disappointing start from an evaluation standpoint. Watson’s accuracy has declined this year, as evidenced by an adjusted completion percentage drop from 77.1 percent in 2015 to 71.3 percent this season. Beyond that, he’s made more poor decisions with the ball, either forcing passes into coverage or misreading the play entirely. "

or from another report:

Can be inaccurate
Poor ball placement
Ball security; throws too many interceptions
Field vision
Working through progressions
Will need to learn working under center
Will need to learn working a NFL huddle
Will need to improve footwork
Prone to throwing too high
Can stare down his primary read
Needs development for a pro-style offense
College offense inflated his stats
College offense ran lot of plays he won't run in the NFL
Should gain weight for the NFL
Tore an ACL in 2014

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017dwatson.php#giptxBVH0AiPivbX.99


another good read:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2017QB.php

You mean all 3? I mentioned 3 areas general Impression or draft reports or film on your own.

These are the areas I would like to address. Are these opinions from general impressions, draft reports or from watching film?

And if all of the above were true then why is Watson even a draftable prospect?

Also without quantifying how often Watson and the other prospects demonstrate these deficiencies how can you know whether one prospect does it more often or less then another prospect? How can you make a comparative assessment without tracking these things for all the prospects? Where is your baseline? How many is too many?

Agreed.

Regardless of where you want to draft a prospect the comments you make are either correct or incorrect. If you say he has bad ball placement that if that is correct then its correct no matter where he's drafted.

sorry your incorrect use of conjunctions threw me..lol..I've watched tape, full games on TV, and researched alot of what scouts and talent evaluators have done the leg work on...and the consensus is majority of what i've stated...in any other draft he'd be a 2-3rd round prospect

Okay.

So which "talent evaluators" are you reading/listening to?

Are you using your film study to check whether the reports "from the talent evaluators" are correct?

I'm curious in your responses from the previous post:

These are the areas I would like to address. Are these opinions form general impressions, draft reports or from watching film?

And if all of the above were true then why is Watson even a draftable prospect?

As without quantifying how often Watson and the other prospects demonstrate these deficiencies how can you know whether one prospect does it more often or less then another prospect?

Agreed.

Regardless of where you want to draft a prospect the comments you make are either correct or incorrect. If you say he has bad ball placement that if that is correct then its correct no matter where he's drafted.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1207770/film-breakdown-deshaun-watson#Post1207770

Its a thread dedicated to breaking down Deshaun film, you have some links there and some film, and some scouts breaking down Deshaun's filme.

Just spend a few minutes, and I can asure you will change your perception on him.

And by the way, I don't think a QB with decision making problems can lead its team like he did. He can be overconfident, but in my book that is a positive trait, not negative.

Overcondifence is only bad when your team sucks, and you are reckeless, which Watson isn't, and if that's the case it doesn't matter anyway.

I've posted articles that go along with my general thoughts. I don't need to articulate every single source I use to justify anything...it's my opinion, and majority opinion there is evidence in any medium or discovery process of what's been stated as his weaknesses...you on the other hand seem to think he's worth every bit of the #1...which is your opinion...I could show you alot more examples of why he isn't 1st round worthy than you could that he is, but it wouln't be worth it, i'm not that invested in it..Simply offering my opinion on Watson

sorry his 32 picks say otherwise...and every single thing i've ever read on him and seen from games including in that thread except for you and ED say the same thing...innaccurate, poor decision making and poor touch..but like i said, if you think he's worth #1 great..I simply don't

Please watch the Alabama highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Goq6Y3_ltWk

Now, its far from a perfect game, but you can see the potential, and why his decision making poses no problems to me. Yes he takes risks, but if he didn't he would never won this game.

Some beautifull passes, specially the back shoulder ones, pin-point accuracy in many throws.

A bad QB could have a good game, but not like this one. And if this is a show of his potential, then yes sign me in.

If you are a Ohio state fan, and if you have watched his game against Ohio State, I think you would have this impression also...

30 picks in 30 games over last two seasons, 17 in 15 games this past season. in college, when he had a pretty good advantage in talent level over his opponents, that is a horrid ratio. Almost inexcusable. How is this going to translate to the NFL when he faces an NFL-caliber defense every game, not once or twice a year?

yep, that's what i'm saying...but yet he doesn't have accuracy issues or trouble reading defenses..lol, the Pitt game alone was basically Watson in a nutshell

Okay, which articles are those and have you checked them against the film you've watched yourself? And if you've watched the film yourself which games?

If you're not into film study and film breakdown its no big deal, just admit that your opinions are based on general impressions and some "draft media" articles. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course you don't "need" to tell me who "every single source" is, I never said you "needed" to tell me I was askingyou. Some draft media have better chops then others and some of the same guys that completely whiffed on Dak are the same guys killing Watson.


If it is your opinion then it would be nice if would didn't post them as if they're facts. Express your opinions but qualify them as opinions and don't state them as facts.

Is that what I seem to think? Did I say that's what I think?..........

Here's what I actually said....

Could you? Because I would love to discuss his actual plays on the field. Because thus far you haven't shown me 1 example. You actually haven't even responded to the bulk of my questions or posts. You've just been repeating the sentiments of some draft media and expressed those and your own opinions as facts.

I would love to discuss Watson or any other QB prospect.
I would actually like to talk about the film. Specific plays. But if that's not your cup of tea that's cool.

[quote-Dak Prescott]Weaknesses:
• Inconsistent accuracy
• Inconsistent field vision
• Needs to get faster with his eyes
• Needs to learn working under center
• Needs development for a pro-style offense
• College-offense inflated stats
• College offense ran lot of plays he won't run in the NFL


Read more at http://mail.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016dprescott.php#Dz05WbfabGgXXllD.99[/quote]

you seriously can't equate prescott with watson, in college or in the NFL...as many have pointed out, Prescott went to about the best possible scenario in Dallas...we have nothing like that here..i think Dak Prescott going anywhere else he's just a guy..I mean best line in football, a 1k yard back, a true #1 receiver and a 1000 catch TE.. pretty damn good spot to be in. Just like I think watson could be successful in the right situation, but not here

The scouting reports on Dak Prescott were wrong, plain and simple.

Honest question [well, it's about as honest as your "honest question]:

Are you denying that there are questions about Watson's ability to play under center and read defenses pre and post-snap?

Seriously?

I'm surprised the people haven't ripped Watson for begging the Cowboys to trade the Browns Romo and Prescott for the first pick and take him?