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I think it could be as simple as he kept getting better, but he may have started a good ways behind Williams. He may have just needed reps.

He still does need reps.

It also could tie into his "leadership" ability. He doesn't really strike me as a guy that grabs the reins. He can do it, but I'm not sure it is really his nature to do it. Being humble and "waiting your turn" can be a double-edged sword.

It also could relate to his nickname being "Mr. Biscuit" (per his UNC bio- Link ), how do you take that guy seriously?

Hey, DiamDawg...

I'm not a QB guru, so can you tell me what it means when he locks his front leg and why that's a bad thing, thanks.

Locking the front leg can be a problem because:

--it can lead to higher throws because you are not transferring your weight properly

--cause problems w/your over the top motion and has a tendency to have more of a chance of dropping down towards a side-arm throw

--leads to injury when being hit by low by defenders

I think that this is one of the biggest differences between throwing a football and throwing a baseball. Pitchers lock that front leg all the time. It helps w/cut fastballs and similar pitches. It gives you movement on your pitch. You don't want that in football.

I think you want to have an "athletic" lower body when throwing a football, where you are generating a lot of power through your hips. This not only helps w/velocity, but is huge when determining accuracy.

Vers did a good job ..

- stops weight distribution pre-maturely ..

That lead to ..

- reduced velocity .. it stops your follow through short is the best way I can describe it
- may cause throw to be high

Those are the technical things ..

As Vers mentioned .. it also makes u way more injury prone .. u lose all "flexibility" to absorb the hit ..

As to your question Vers .. when I saw it I said I'd like to ask the coach a couple questions ...

- why ..

- after seeing what he did in his 1st year .. if u could go back and do it again .. would u make the same decision ..

But at the least no of the day .. I would give it zero weight .. what I saw on film would override it ..

If u put a lot of weight on the fact he didn't start last year .. your looking for reasons not to draft him .. and there's nothing wrong with that .. but thats what your doing with a years full of tape since then ..

Well bro, I think there are some leadership issues there. Believe me, I knew the answer[s] before I posted the question.

Well talk to me .. what r the issues and your source(s) .. and I don't mean a link .. your words good with me .. just curious as to where u got that info from ..

also was the info before or after this year ... if before .. any clue how he faired/improved in that area over,the season .. that's why I would like to ask coach what his impressions were after the season ..

I didn't use one source. That would be ignorant. I googled the question and read all kinds of articles on the subject.

Basically, what I inferred from reading all of those articles was that Fedora [NC's HC] preferred Wiliams' experience/leadership. He did have Trub playing the third offensive series of each game and then go from there. He later abandoned that because he thought the team wasn't responding well to the switch.


This went on for two years, bro.

It could be a total blunder by Fedora. However, one has to wonder why a blah qb like Williams who had very little talent, especially in the passing game, was able to hold off the guy some people want to choose first overall in the draft.

Sorry bro, but that seems like a huge gamble to me.

And thats why I said I would like to talk to coach .. to see what his rear view mirror looked like ..

I gotta go .. I'll be back ..

Not sure where that came from. You asked a question and I offered my thoughts on it.
Not sure how that translates to suggesting your question was lame.

I think that there are about 3 people on the planet suggesting that we take Trub at #12
I think the question about drafting him is should we take him at #12 if he is available.
Kizer should be in that discussion as well.

They both shouldn't. We haven't been able to make a QB yet, there's no reason to think that we can do that with this crop.

They should be discussed
The conclusion of the discussion might ought to be no.
But they should still be discussed

Well here we are at #12 ; do we take one of the QB's left on the Board ,,,, Pause ,,, Nah ..

There are going to be some Stud's on both D and O at this juncture .. GRAB ONE !

It came from this:



Not arguing w/you, but I think the question I asked was a legitimate question.

I do too that's why I think we should be asking the same question about Kizer

I'll answer your question w/out snarkiness:

--I see way more people wanting Trub in the first round than Kizer. I really don't know if anyone is championing us drafting Kizer in round one.

--This is a Trub thread, not a Kizer thread. Heck, does he even have his own thread?

--Zaire was a way better qb prospect than Williams was.

With all that said..........we can ask your question. I wouldn't draft Kizer w/the first overall pick either. But, none of that diminishes the question I had about Trub.

OK thanks to both of you.

When I asked the question about Kizer it was a toss in comment of a related thought that came to mind.

I am not asking why no one on here is asking the question but why no one period is asking. Mayock has him as his #1 overall Qb. I hear Mayock asking the Trub question all the time yet never a mention about Kizer.

Williams was established at UNC when Trub got there. He led UNC to several good seasons. Zaire had never established himself.

Maybe they just attribute that to Brian Kelly being a bozo of a headcoach having no idea what he's doing.

Not to far off on the Kelly comment ..

I have no clue how good dude from NC was .. but I can tell u he couldn't be less accurate,than Zaire ... he may be just as innacurate but no way was he more ... *L*

Sad part .. if Zaire don't get hurt ... no ... what I was going to say wasn't accurate either ... *L* ..

I think your facts are off. Williams was not even the starter. Bryn Renner was a fifth year starter. He got hurt early on and they replaced him w/Williams [who can't hit the broad side of a barn] instead of giving the ball to Trub. The next year, they went w/Williams again and I kinda explained the rest to Diam in an earlier post.

I want nothing to do with Kizer. He even looked terrible in the combine drills.

Since this thread is about Trub ....

Watching his interviews something about him rubs me the wrong way. I don't know what it is but I have a bad vibe about him now that I didn't before. I don't know that it matters or not though. I do worry the big lights might have a negative effect on his personality though. It's just a feeling though nothing remotely bad enough to discount him. He still has the best skill set of the top QBs in this draft.

I have patrick pretty high on my wish list. Maybe at round 2? He would be fun to watch at least =)

Yeah, I think there are some maturity and leadership issues w/Trub. We don't need another BQ in the locker room.

Somebody is going to play the sucker and put a huge investment in a kid with 13 starts. Whoever that is will most likely lose their job for it in the end.

I guess maybe the question should be how many QB's with less than 20 NCAA starts have been drafted in the first round period, much less top 12?

And if there are any, how successful were they in the NFL?

I guess you expect us to make history. lol

It seems some expect this kid to do something that simply isn't done.

Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez are the only two that come to mind.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...rder_by=default

Maybe Tannehill? I don't know how many games he started as a junior.

Sanchez had 19

You're pretty much spot on about Cam.

Tannehill had more starts.

So even though two out of those three had more starts than Mtrub, only one has found any real success in the NFL and that is Cam. Unless of course unless you would want Tannehill as your franchise QB? I wouldn't.

I haven't seen anyone who really believes Mtrub is the next Cam Newton so unless you think one of the other two would be a good pick for your franchise QB, I believe my post still stands.

I agree with you, just pointing out that there were a few guys.

How many did wentz have ?

I believe it was 23.

And that was my only question about Wentz was his limited starts. But there were two seasons to watch film of and I felt that with even so few starts, there was enough to endorse drafting him.

I would take him #1 over MG right now ...

And yes pit .. the amount of college starts scares me .. but not enough to not draft him .. i really like this kid ...

A couple things about the success of the one year wonder college kids ... and i am not arguing your point .. the NUMBERS support u by about 98% - 2% ... i may be dumb but i ain't stupid enough to argue that one .. *L* ..

- your saying if Mitch stood in school one more year he would be draftable because then he would have the required number of college starts ... in essence thats what your saying ...

I'm not sure how that correlates ... maybe there first year or two in the league .. but after that .. i don't see any correlation at all ...

I'd also like to see a list of the QB's that were one year wonders ... i would venture to guess a lot of them are guys coming out of "gimmicky" offenses and guys that are more atheletic than good QB's ...

I really like this kid's skill set ... only negative to me is him locking his front leg ... love his ACCURACY, decision making was very good and hes atheletic .... so I'm certainly not going to pass on him cause of the number of starts he made in college ...

Sorry ... that makes no sense to me ..

This is all mute ... were gonna take MG at 1 and Mitch won't be there at 12 ...

What my point is more than anything is having a body of evidence. I don't believe 13 starts gives you a large enough body of evidence on a kid. There's a reason an argument on that would only have a 2% chance as you stated.

Drafting based on potential rather than a strong body of evidence when it comes to QB's has killed a lot of careers.

I'm not saying the kid can't or won't be good. But I'll stand with your quote about it being 98% to 2%. I really hate those odds.

While I agree with you that we don't have enough evidence to know if Trubisky is good, the team can increase those odds by meeting with him, working him out, etc.

I would never draft Trubisky with the first pick, but I will understand if we draft him with the 12th pick.

I don't really have a problem with those who disagree.

I just can't wrap my mind around using a pick in the first half of the first round on a QB with only 13 NCAA starts. History would dictate that won't end well.

There's so much talent in this draft and we need so much help on D, I can't see taking such a huge gamble on a kid with so little experience at the NCAA level.

I'm not going to lambaste anyone who disagrees with me. Just laying out the logic as to my thought process.

Why do you think he will be special?