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Because you know you will have them through their rookie contract JG could refuse to re-sign and you waste your pic on a one year rental.

It's not rocket surgery.

Whoever trades for him, has him for at least 3 years.

If he's not terrible. He will get franchised.

And if he's successful somewhere. He most likely will work out a long term deal to stay there.

It's not rocket surgery.

I can't see the team willing to give up two firsts. For me if you want a franchise QB and you're not in position to get one, which we are not, then you should do whatever it takes.

Lets say its the 12 this year. Then it's a conditional pick next year based on how Jimmy does for us with it being a minimum for a 4th round pick up to a first round pick if say he throws for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs. Those numbers on a team like this say he IS that franchise QB and then he was worth every bit of what we paid for him.

I mean a franchise QB is worth 2 firsts any day of the week. On a show me trade I would do it but I would not for do it strait up.

Of course that is all IF Jimmy was willing to sign a fat contract.

I am an advocate of making the trade for Jimmy G, bro....but, let's make it real:

To me, it's all about skill set when it comes to QBs. We have posters on here who pontificate about production and systems. But, at the end of the day...........you gotta look at a guy's skill set and keep it independent of other variables.

Jimmy G doesn't quite check all the boxes like an Andrew Luck. However, I think he checks a lot of them. I'll provide a run down for whoever is interested:

--Accuracy: Superb. I think this is one of the most important attributes a qb can have. I remember Razor pimping the guy a few years ago when I wanted Teddy....so, I started researching Jimmy G........mostly in order to discredit him. LOL...yeah, I admit it. But man, the guy won me over. I think he has a couple of question marks and I still liked Teddy better, but Jimmy impressed the hell outta me. His accuracy is supreme.

--Quick Release: Again, it's outstanding. Probably the best in that class and that was a great class.

--Reading defenses pre and post snap: I didn't get a good feel of his pre snap reads in college, but in NE, you could see him making the right reads and checking into the right plays. His post snap reads have always been outstanding.

--Arm strength: Above average. Not Rodgers like, but he can make every throw.

--Decision making: This was my concern. I thought he was a bit of a gunslinger. He would trust his arm too much and fire balls into tight windows. It worked in college, but I worried that it might lead to picks in the NFL where the players are faster and more instinctive.

--Size: Adequate. Nothing more, nothing less.

--Pocket presence: Very good. Feels pressure. Will stand in there.

--Leadership: Very strong.

--Anticipation: One of the few younger qbs who has demonstrated the ability to throw before the receiver makes his break. Some concern about anticipating the coverage.


--Intelligence: Very high. One of the smarter qbs you will find. His ability to look off safeties is very impressive.

--Ability to go through Progressions: Linked to intelligence. Very good. You could see the guy go from one target to the next.

Summary: I think Jimmy G checks almost all the boxes. I was really concerned w/his gunslinger attitude......let me clarify that......I like a guy who will take chances.....see Big Ben and hate guys who are afraid to make throws......see Kessler.....but, you can't turn the ball over too much. Make sense? Anyway........I thought Jimmy G took too many chances and trusted his arm too much. I thought that that would translate into picks in the NFL. That still may be true, but perhaps the NE thing changed that attitude because I really didn't see it in his limited time in the NFL. What better team to learn the importance of ball security than NE?

What to do? I know there is a risk w/this guy, but I think he is a safer pick than any other option. I know that sounds crazy, but I say that because I think his chance of success far outweighs anyone else who is available. I would do the deal provided it doesn't take the first overall pick.

LOL.........operating on a rocket???

Just kidding man. I think it's called "rocket science?"

two 1sts (especially our 1sts) is absurd

U mean other than Mac ... *L* ...

Include me in with that - not failure but DISLIKE and we would be had by BB.

Translation..don't bother asking the Patriots about Jimmy G.

two 1sts (especially our 1sts) is absurd

"Eric Mangini: Belichick doesn't make bad deals, so if he's willing to trade Garoppolo while he has a 39-year-old Brady, you better beware."

Thay are just bluffing. Nobody is going to trade two first rounders for JG, and in the end Billy and crew are going to want to get something for him.

I offer our last 2nd this year, and 3rd next year in a sign and trade deal.

If he can do better then that, have at it, good for you. Go pound salt. I'd tell him I'll wait and sign him for no picks next year.

No picks next year ... your ASS-U-Ming an awful lot bro ...

There are a few guys here that respect Nawrocki. I saw some of this on the YouTube, Garoppolo every throw vs. Dolphins. Since the consensus is we should give up a high first rounder and the next 6-10 years of our future on him, let see what he has to say:

Is a tad undersized with small hands and short arms. Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the Ohio Valley Conference.

-Nolan Nawrocki

Marc Sessler‏Verified account @ MarcSesslerNFL 2m 2 minutes ago

. @ MikeGarafolo: Patriots would 'probably need a first-round pick this year and next year' to get Belichick thinking about a Garoppolo trade.

The last I heard is the Pats are now talking about a 1st this year and a 1st next year. Is this correct?

Thanks. Not sure I am good with that.

Not a chance in H E double hockey sticks that I'm okay with that.