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I think we should wait till his pro day before writing him off for bad timing on out routes at the combine. I was under the impression the QBs are told to hit the top of their drop and immediately throw it to a spot.

He does have a lot of inconsistency, but his highs are great. He still has a lot of rough edges, but I think he's high quality material to sculpt. I like the Favre comp. I pulled up some Southern Miss highlights of Brett's and I could see the similarities.

I also strangely like the fact that he is used to being on the less talented team most game days. He's dealt with adversity, so he shouldn't be in shock if he ends up here. Unlike Watson, Trubisky, and to an extent Kizer, he's used to being an underdog.

I kind of get your argument about his accuracy, and I probably wouldn't want Mahomes for a timing based west coast system, but if we're going to run the ball, take play action deep shots, and throw screens I like him a lot. I'll admit I am partial to gunslingers and the deep ball.

Webb had 59.

Not good for Watson...

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/1...ine-qb-velocity

Does anyone know how they actually measure for velocity at the combine?

I'll puke if we draft him. He is my least favorite qb [of the guys that are being hyped] in this draft and that is saying something.

But, we all have our opinions on who is good and who isn't.

Wow that's pretty extreme. You mentioned earlier about his attitude. Care to elaborate? Seems like an upstanding young man to me.

Oh, nothing off of the field.

I don't like how he thinks it's okay to run whatever he wants outside of the confines of the offense and how he is kinda cocky about it.

I might be extreme in my opinion, but sorry bro, I just don't want that guy on my team.

Oh ok i was afraid I'd missed something. You are entitled to your opinion. Like I've said he is my guy this draft but that doesn't mean I have a top 10 grade or anything on him crazy like that. More so speaks to how much I dislike the class as a whole

Mahomes is receiving many of the same knocks as did Brett Farve. Farve fell to the top of round two, but we know in retrospect that he should have went 1st overall that year.

I'm not ready to put Mahomes in that high of praise, but he is uncanny in that when he is off platform, he is always looking to pass first and his accuracy off platform at this point, is better than when on platform.

Radar gun....

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2016/03/02/quarterback-ball-velocity-at-nfl-combine-2008-2015/

I can't answer that...I don't know why his velocity was so slow.

But as mid-round guys I like both players you mentioned there. I could see Webb moving up draft boards though, not be cause of the velocity he threw just cause he seems to be improving his stock. Footwork looks better, good showing at the senior bowl, good combine, etc....He may not be available in the mid-rounds....It might take a second to get him.

I read on a random message board (so I'm not positive on the accuracy) that they are measured by radar gun, but the reading only counts if they hit a target. Watson can probably throw faster than 49, but it seems he might lose accuracy when throwing harder.

Weeden had as strong of an arm as anyone that has played, what good did it do him?

He had the fastest flipper i'd ever seen.... :lol:

Other then being measured by radar I'm still curious how they measure it?
Is is it measured during the drills? Because if they are measured during the drills then velocity would be less important then placement. Or are they asked to line-up and throw it as hard as they can at some target? *

Over the years looking at the combine numbers I never know what to think of their velocity because some of them don't match the tape. *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong but I think if a team really wanted to know QBs velocity they can get some smart guys (sports science types) and measure functional velocity based on film.

I've been a fan of Webb for awhile. He doesn't give much in terms of adlib or evasion. But, he's got natural arm talent. Can functional get rid of the ball quick and he's got good size (however much that does/doesn't mean to people).

Peterman has more athletic ability then he gets credit for and he's a more traditional rhythm drop back passer type. You can watch his tape and see him on 3-5-7 steps drops. His arm isn't anything special on tape though.

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There is Farvesque quality to Mahomes when he adlibs, if we're saying that is similar then we should also mention that Favre played under center in a 'pro-style' offense as opposed to a pure shotgun air-raid spread. So unlike Mahomes you could see Favre actually executing rhythm dropback passing 3-5-7 step drop and playaction in addition to the adlib stuff.

True, I saw him live beating my Gators.
He made a believer out of me that game and became my top scouting priority from then on, up to the Draft.

I said some of the same knocks, that is not imputing 'similar', but rather some of the same faults in their traits (Gunslinger).

Partially, in Mahomes behalf is the offense he played in lends itself to that style of play. I think that often times gets left out of the discussion.

Sorry about that - if you don't laugh, you cry...

Faster than lightning...

I'd love to draft pat in the late second to early third round range. Tech can always be improved. I like his brash confidence and arm talent. I think he is a guy that Hue would enjoy tinkering with.

Agreed. PM sounds like the type of guy that with time, patience and a good mentor he could be a better than decent QB. With young guys you never know. Even Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson, to name a couple, got cut.

Watching him play, I come away with the impression that he's really gonna have to rein it in to be a successful NFL QB. If he can do that he could be good,if not he could end up a career backup or worse, end up in the Canada league.

It's easier reining it in than forcing an aggressive mindset where it isn't natural. I think PM, in the right situation and with patience, becomes a good NFL QB.

Reminds me of Wilson.

That's the kicker with him. He's not ready to start right away at all, and he's going to push a coach's patience with the mechanics and the bravado stuff you alluded to. I think he's got the most arm talent in the draft, but he's not worth a 1st round pick because of the issues mentioned........boom or bust guy.

I was big on Mahomes early in the offseason but I sadly think his stock is elevating to the level that he'll be off the board late first.

I have a weird hunch that our QB of the future is going to end up as Davis Webb....probably in the 3rd or 4th

its funny because trub is the best rated QB in the draft but he couldn't beat out old pat here and didn't want to compete against him. I find that interesting.

j/c:

We all have opinions and that is fine, but I wouldn't take Mahomes before round 5.

Go easy on the CFL. Have you ever watched a game?

That was Webb not trub

I tend to be all over the place with my qb preferences. One year I'm all about a Bridgewater next it's mahomes. I guess for me it's all about Blue chip traits. That's why I don't like trub. He does everything well enough but not great. I find it hard to believe he'll be a threat at greater competition level. Same with Watson and kizer. I just don't see blue chip skills. Pat I do. While he has his clear downfalls he's the only one who could potentially make a defense work imo.

I still think Mitch will be the best QB of the bunch but I'm leaning toward Mahomes as being the second best. I think the Browns taking him at 12 is a very real thing.

Wow that would be high for PM. I like him as well, but he will require a ton of work. I would be fine taking him at 33 but anything before that is more than I hope the Browns would do.

He is the 2nd best QB in this draft imo behind MT, but I don't know if that makes him a first round pick.

We'll find out. I just think teams like him more than they're letting on and Cleveland could be one of them. I don't get into the reach/value pick debate--most people that do end up being wrong. I've seen it all too often on this board. If the guy ends up being good, it was a good pick. If not, he's a bust. If a team likes him enough at #33 to take him, just do it at #12 and secure him as your franchise QB...if you think that's what he is. If it's that close, I wouldn't be cute about it, especially at QB and in a round where trades happen quite a bit now in the post CBA world. I guess there is an exception if he's just not that good, but I don't see him lasting very long in the draft.

I like Mahomes and he might have the largest ceiling of the QBs here. If he is perceived by teams to be the second best QB in the draft, he'll get taken in round one.

I view him as a 3rd round prospect, and was thus paying the "QB tax" and placing him a round early. I wouldn't draft a guy two rounds early though because I needed a QB.

You are right though and one of these teams could view him as a 1st/2nd round prospect and take him in round 1........I just don't see him as that and hope the Browns don't.