DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon News, Continued....

I don't know why people would be against having Gordon on the team, it's not really costing us anything and we don't have to "rely" on him.

Treat him like a walk-on. Draft WRs like you would if he wasn't on the roster. If he lights it up and stays out of trouble, we've got ourselves a top WR without having to do much. If he gets suspended, we get the roster spot back anyway.

I don't know how Clem would put it, but I bet this was the tune that was playing deeper within the orchestration than what we've been hearing higher up the football melody if you will.
If he has his head together, I keep him, play his contract out, and if he does well, sign I'm long term or tag him and get the most wins out of him I can.

I'd love to see a cleaned up Flash Gordon back on the team. Then focus on the defense in the draft (maybe a QB) and lets see what we have. Minimal cost, high reward and you never know what could happen.

Justin Blackmon has never been cut.

He is under contract to the Jaguars, but his contract never "ages" while he is suspended. If he is ever reinstated, they can cut him the next day if they want, but they can't cut him while he is suspended.

But that's not the way it would work.

Face it, Gordon is a talented player, especially if he started out against 3rd string DBs. He's race up the depth chart, because hie talent would demand it. Then if he got himself suspended again, r his head went sideways again, then we're playing catch up getting someone else ready to take his spot.

He has screwed this team, and his teammates, way too many times. If another team manages to harness his talent and get something out of him, great. However the Browns need to be working on players who will actually be here, and who want to be here.

Plus 1? A man of God is encouraging posters to try and abuse other posters w/nonsense?

Typically, the offending poster and at least three of you misunderstood my point.

Arguing about whether or not the team had no chance to keep a guy or not is fruitless. No one can prove anything. On either side.

Blaming the FO exclusively for not trying to keep the players is wrong.

Blaming the player exclusively by saying he never wanted to play here [and thereby questioning his character] is even worse.

The truth is this:

--The Browns would be better off w/those players.

--Even if the players didn't want to re-sign w/the Browns, what does that really tell us? That each and every one of those guys are the devil reincarnated, or is there something about those in charge that turns players off?

Go ask your God the answer to those questions, Pastor.

That entire post should've been beneath you. I guess it wasn't though.

Keep spinning!

Keep it civil, guys. Don't want to see anyone "sent off the ice"...

I have been trying to ignore Memphis because people say that they don't like the bickering. However, it bothere me when you say "plus 1" when he obviously and intentionally misconstrued my meaning in yet another lame attempt to get people to pile on. See arch, for example.

It's what those guys do.

I am not backing down from my points. And I really don't care how many of you come at me!

Point 1:

Anyone who says they know that it's 100% the fault of either side is full of crap. Hell, I actually get on mac for blaming the FO for all of the failures. No one complains about that, but oh my....how dare someone say that the players aren't 100% at fault? Give me a freaking break!

Point 2:

Those players are gone and the Browns are a worse team because of it. Undeniable!

Point 3:

If the players truly left because there was "no way they would ever re-sign w/the Browns [which I don't believe] that actually is even a worse indictment on the FO and ownership because those players must think the powers that be are clueless.

Summary:

Once again, my point is that we should stop stating opinions as facts. This is way deeper than "the FO is totally to blame," or "the player is totally to blame."

it would be so neat if Martavis Bryant and Josh Gordon got reinstated on the same day.Hopefully soon for both of them.

Or not. LOL

Sorry mom.........you know I love you, but I think both guys are head cases that get way too much love from the fans and have done almost nothing but let their teams down repeatedly.

well - just hoping that both can turn the corner and start doing the right things. Love you too

If Josh is running a solid recovery program, he deserves every chance to come back and show if he can regain his Pro Bowl form.

The NFL should be paying him restitution for the duration of his life for what they have done to him.

Sashi Brown appears to be getting sharper. He's getting it.

I love all of you.

And... I miss Coach B

love love

i love all of you too

Y'all never cease to amaze me.

Btw...........while I love mom, I really don't have similar sentiments about you.

IMO, Josh doesn't deserve anything. He's a constant mistake. Make a mistake, you learn from it. Make many, you're just a loser.

Besides give him a platform to make millions of dollars playing a game, and multiple chances to do so regardless of how many times he broke actual rules.

What exactly have they done to him?

He doesn't deserve anything at all. He might be LUCKY if he EVER has the priviledge to play again. The NFL doesn't owe him anything. He had a job and he broke the terms of employment. He was punished according to the rules and he knew what those rules were but he CHOSE to get high instead of make millions of dollars. That's on Josh and not the NFL.

I do hope the best for him and that he has truly turned his life around. I hope he does so well and we resign him to a long term deal and he becomes a legend like cris carter who took hitting rock bottom to stop using drugs.

Still the NFL doesn't owe him a darn thing.

I wont be bothered if we trade him (maybe we will package him like the Dolphins did Jamar?). But, if we keep him and he plays then he, Corey and Britt should cause major headaches for opposing teams. That is, if we have a QB who can deliver the ball to them!

If not Britt will surely cause a major headache here

Fact...... TP did not want to be here.

Thanks for settling that for me, GM.

My pleasure bro.

You're absolutely right, it is much deeper. So based on that logic and how many times you blame the FO for losing Mack and Schwartz, keep this point in mind. If you want to tell people not to bring up "x" player because they are gone, I expect you to leave the those two guys' situation from last year in the dust.

Practice what you preach.

So, you spoke to Pryor and he told that to you directly?

Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

J/C..

It would bother me to see Gordon go to another team and tear it up and be a great WR for them.

I would rather keep him and see what he can prove. If he can be a great WR for us that be awesome. If not sit on the bench...because you aren't going anywhere and tearing it up for another team.

Then again if the FO can get something good for him..Deal him.

I'm as disappointed as anyone in Josh and how he's conducted himself. Last year was completely nuts. All set to come back, and then boom, psyche! It's annoying, and distracting, and disturbing to the team and the fan base.

BUT. People do mature differently, at different rates. When we look at professional football players, we see grown men, playing a grown man's game for huge money. And a good percentage of them are mature enough to handle the success and fame (though many are not). It is easy to forget, because of their size, poise and position, that these young men, in many ways, are still boys without the maturity it takes to approach their lives with intelligence and restraint. It's my HOPE that Gordon has grown over the past few years. That last season was a sincere move toward getting his life together.

We shall see. I hold him no ill will. I want him to succeed, and hope he can develop into the player he is surely meant to be. Given all that, I have no problem giving him yet another chance. We hold his contract for two years. Plenty of time to see if he has what it takes (mentally). I would absolutely hate it if we cut him and he went on to succeed for (the Patriots) another team.

JMHO

He apparently turned down a 4 years, 8 million a year deal to take a one year 8 million deal with Washington.

If that doesn't say he didn't want to be here, I'm not sure what does.

In all fairness, the same sequence of events could have been very similar to what happened to Mitchell Schwartz. He had an offer from us, over valued himself, came back wanting the original deal, then said we said no, that deal is off the table. I don't know if that how it went down, but I don't think it's necessarily a direct correlation to what was offered and what was accepted with another team that TP didn't want to be here.

I said this before and I think it bears repeating....long-term, this may be a good thing for the Browns. Yes, it sucks he is not on the roster, however, this is twice now that the front office met or exceeded market value for a player heading into FA, and that player never got what he thought he would. Couple in the fact, IF the Pryor situation was similar to Schwartz, if you don't take the fair deal the FO makes, you aren't getting it again, so sign on when you have the chance.

Moving forward, I think this carries weight for future contracts that the Browns aren't cheap and can target what a player's value is before hitting the market.

The NFL owes Josh nothing.
The NFL did nothing to him; he did it all to himself.
If Josh wants the opportunities, he has to first earn them, then choose to not waste them.

Grace does not last forever.

I think they blew the Schwartz deal, through ego. Having said that, if this type of negotiations help to send the message that we are no longer a doormat in the NFL, a team to sign to as a last resort to collect a large paycheck, I don't mind it so much. It may hurt short term, but it should help long term, particularly when the team starts winning.

JMHO

It would be nice to have Schwartz at this time. We have a good line now but with him, rock solid!

If Josh gets sober and gets his life together, we have a 25 year old WR. By my math, that means that he'd have gotten past his addictions and turned his life around a full decade quicker than I did. While this timeline may not make everyone happy, I see first hand every week how difficult it is for young people to accept that they aren't Super Human and have to change. If he sincerely "gets it" at this age and can return, that man needs to be commended.

I didn't want to lose him, thought he got a bad rap by many fans and media. I also believe the FO should've simply resigned him when he came back to take the offer. The whole "we showed him" thing was petty and poor business practice, IMHO.