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Same, Johnny had me all excited. I figured he was a 21 year old kid and had some growing up to do. But I didn't know it was that much.

My wife started seeing the terrible signs first. That chugging alcohol on the swan thing, lol. And the money phone thing. Then the blowing something in the bathroom thing.

I kept making excuses for him, and I even had hope for him in the second season. I was done when the Browns were done. Missing rehab to be in Vegas or whatever. That was it.

He didn't take the job seriously. Johnny turned out the be a guy who was ridiculously competitive in games, but didn't want to put the work in otherwise. I don't think he ever really had to. Joe Thomas was talking about that in something once. He said that he liked Johnny. He was a nice guy. But being an NFL QB requires more dedication than any other position. It was like being a coach

Hue Jackson: Kizer will draw Big Ben comparisons

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ben-comparisons

When Hue Jackson looks at DeShone Kizer, the Browns coach expects the rookie passer to invariably draw comparisons with an AFC North rival: Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

"I don't know that I've coached a guy with this kind of skill set," Jackson told the team's in-house radio show, Cleveland Browns Daily, per The Plain Dealer. "But he's a big powerful man, so I know he's going to get compared to another guy on another team in our division."

Jackson himself stayed away from drawing specific parallels between the two players, saying: "I'm not going to talk about (Big Ben) because he's that big and he has that kind of arm. He's very mobile. So again, I don't like to compare players and I know people will, but (Kizer's) got to come in and do what he can do and be the best version of him and that's what we're going to allow him to do."

The Browns were thrilled to watch Kizer fall to them at the No. 52 overall pick of last week's draft. In a quarterback room with Cody Kessler, Brock Osweiler and Kevin Hogan, the Notre Dame star gives Cleveland something juicy: a 6-foot-5, 235-pound athlete with a major arm.

Kizer also arrives with concerns over his mechanics, field vision and less-than-stellar record at Notre Dame, leading one scout to tell the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: "He is the classic boom or bust. In terms of arm strength, athleticism, talent, intelligence, he's the highest-end guy. At the same time, he's also the one with the most flaws."

Jackson made it clear Thursday that all of his quarterbacks would have a chance to "compete" for the starting role, adding that the group is "ahead of where I thought they'd be."

Kizer, though, will be watched closely by fans after the team bypassed another Big Ben-like quarterback during last year's draft in Carson Wentz.

"We've got to coach him from the ground up, but we're working with a guy that's very talented," Jackson said of Kizer. "This is a guy who has a skill set that's going to allow us to push and prod and get him to where he needs to be. ... I don't think we're going to rush to stick him out there but, at the same time, I'm not going to stop him from being out there if he demonstrates those skill sets very quickly."

Is there a reason why you posted this again? Cal posted it on the previous page and we discussed it.

I was kinda thinking Pitt would draft Kizer, let him sit 2-3 years, then replace Ben (I did that in our mock draft two weeks ago). I'm not sure Kizer will ever have the accuracy or quick release, but size-wise I see it.

DeShone Kizer's last game at Notre Dame showed what's right and wrong with him: Doug Lesmerises

Lots and lots of GIFS, worth taking a peek at:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

thanks 3rd, i'll look at it later

Excellent article.

Would you mind also posting this in the Hue Jackson, QB Whisperer thread in the Pure Football forum? We are discussing Kizer's accuracy and decision making and this article would fit perfectly there.

Nice find. Thanks.

so i just went through all of those GIFs, and I think part of his accuracy problem comes from his long release. He doesn't need to have such a loopy, whip-type release. I equate it to a shooter in basketball who starts his shot down by his chest. It's a bad habit that began when they lacked strength ... shortening up the release will help accuracy. The less movement before release, the less chance for error.

No problem. Posted!

It's called macinitis. And clearly, it's contagious.

Thanks, Lamp! (Didn't see your post until just now.)

I don't know why this just struck me .......

Kizer

Kosar

Coincidence? LOL



Yeah, they're totally different QBs, and it's just a play on the names, but .. still ........

Just the packers QB Brett and Bart.

It is interesting reading that at the start of 2016 season Kizer and Watson were the Browns #1 target. Moral of the story...a lot can happen in a year. Kizer has the skills he needs the coaching to improve and be more consistent.

Remember when Cardale was everybody's hero and top choice? This also means that while Darnold may be at the top right now....where will he be at the end of the season? Will Rosen, Jackson, Allen, Browning leap frog him? Dak was very much under the radar as was Russell Wilson and Russ has emerged as the best of his year group and Dak certainly was last year.

Regarding Johnny....nothing was right in CLE for him to succeed. The pressures to play him, the too quick to resort to improvised back yard ball, the ego and buying into his own cult of personality, the partying etc. He prob had the best OC/QB coach in Shanahan to work with but, the rest of the foundation around him wasn't strong enough. Hoyer should have stayed our starter but, as soon as one bad game happened the pressure from the FO, the media and us the fans, was too great and the plug was pulled too soon. Not to say Hoyer is good....he is obviously a 4 TD QB one week and a 4 INT QB the next but, Johnny needed A LOT of grooming and patience. I hope we give that to Kizer and don't trot him out too quickly.

I'm still thinking Kessler will be our starting QB, however.

I agree. If I had to bet on the starter week 1 I'd say Kessler

Cardale, top choice, seriously. Hell, no...

I remember very well when the Buckeyes won the Championship people in here were all over Cardale being the top QB. Maybe that was just the Buckeye homers and it was short lived after his following season. But, there was definitely rumblings in this forum about drafting Cardale.

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https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/916163/diehard#Post916163

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I remember there were even polls in the Plain Dealer, "Would you want to Fail for Cardale ?" Lose games on purpose so the Browns could draft Jones # 1

What is it that you are trying to prove? How many people advocated drafting him in the first two rounds last year? Should we bring up all old posts, like about Farmer, H and H, Weeden, TRich? You complain about rehashing things on one thread, but do it on others.

Let it go.................

Have you read any of these comments?? I was responding to other comments about Cardale graduating from college... not attacking anyone.. going along with what is said.. what are you trying to prove by attacking me? Did you not want the guy to graduate.. Did you not expect comments about a football player, from OSU, who many wanted the Browns to "Fail for Cardale" going back to get his degree. I would think that as an educator you would want to see someone who dropped out of college to go back and get his degree. This is a part of a new discussion, not a continuous rehash of the same thing over and over. Read and enjoy the message board.

As to old posts about Weeden.. T Rich.. ectc.. have you read any of the news articles about the Browns having drafted as many 1st round picks on their roster in this draft than they had before. Did you know that the Browns only had 3 of their own first round picks on the roster before the draft? They were Joe Thomas 2007 and Haden 2010 and Coleman 2016. All others are gone. So yes, maybe a discussion about the missing any missing former 1st round picks may be appropriate. Any other comments you care to make ? Y'all

and just so you know why I was talking about Cardale ...

Ex-Buckeyes QB Cardale Jones graduates from Ohio State

Former Buckeyes quarterback Cardale Jones graduated from Ohio State on Sunday, using his graduation cap to poke fun at his infamous 2012 tweet that declared "classes are pointless" for football players and that "we ain't come here to play school."


Jones told The Columbus Dispatch in February that he returned to Ohio State this spring to complete two remaining classes toward his degree in African-American and African studies. He had left the school in 2016 to declare for the NFL draft. The Buffalo Bills selected him in the fourth round.

As a freshman in 2012, Jones questioned the importance of going to class in a tweet that drew national attention. Jones later deleted his Twitter account, and the university issued a statement reminding student-athletes not to post anything to social media that could "embarrass themselves, their team, teammates, the university, their family or other groups, organizations or people."

Last week, Jones tweeted a screenshot of his 2012 tweet as he prepared to graduate:

Jones led Ohio State to a national championship after the 2014 season. He made his NFL debut in the Bills' regular-season finale in January, entering the game in the fourth quarter.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19331...ates-ohio-state

Danny Shelton & Cam Erving 2015 are both still on the team correct? So that would be 5.

That is very true. I stand corrected.

Random thought.

Everyone seems "ok" that we took Kizer at 52. He's a good project QB at that spot.

But what if we had taken him earlier?

What if we had traded up to 29, and instead of taking Njoku, we took Kizer?

The perspective is completely different.

Just wondering out loud.

I'd say so. It's not a huge jump but it's a jump. Something like Kizer at 12 would have broken all things loose

As the draft was progressing, I totally thought we were going to take him at 12 and then again when we took Peppers and then again when we trade up for Njoku. What a relief.

Njohu is a better player to take at #29 at least on paper. DK at # 29 is a reach. We took DK at a good spot. If he turns out to be our franchise QB then we took him at a great spot.!!!

Exactly, at #52, Kizer was a great player to take a shot on IMO

That's how I see it.

When we traded up my guess was for Kizer. I wouldn't have been upset at all but I still can't believe he slid to 52

I also think there was a relief in me that we didn't rush to pick a QB. Panicking to do anything never makes sense. Except for UConn trying to get into the ACC. My Huskies didn't panic, and we should have.

But anyway....... When it comes to picking a QB, panicking is a bad call. I just don't think Mahomes is worth the 10, I don't think Trub would have been worth whatever we would have had to trade up for him (and I don't think he was worth more than Garrett, although that's the closest). I def think the 25 and a Texans 2018 first round pick was worth more than Watson.

So part of it is the relief that we didn't do what some of these bonehead media guys hold against us (and that's reach for a QB). Instead we waited, got a guy with a ton of Potential at 52, and built a pretty strong draft class.

Thats my Quarterback!

I dislike the shape of that helmet.

I'm a Revo Speed kinda guy.

I hope he doesn't play till year 3.

What I love is how all the "experts" said this draft had no franchise type QB's and they were hardly worth a first round pick.. Happens EVERY year. I guess the GM's and coaches and owners see things differently. Considering what they gave up in all the trades .. you could argue they considered the guys selected even better than previous college QB's taken high. Maybe they were more desperate.. but it still doesn't negate the fact they made the investment and took a chance. Waiting for a sure thing is futile cause there ain't no such thing.

If a college QB has decent size, a good arm and some smarts then he probably is considered draftable and teams are willing to take a chance. Why? Because it is the toughest position to fill in sports. Period. If you look at the 32 teams in the league there are probably only 17 or 18 that are comfortable with the qb position. Some that are know in the next 2 or 3 years they are going to have to draft a replacement because the guy they got is getting older. There aren't enough good ones to go around. As Browns fans we know that better than anyone.

You sound rather hostile for someone who doesn't post much.

Do you love all the choices that the real experts have made? Such as, Manziel, Weeden, Timid, BQ, Leaf, Ponder, Gabbert, Manuel, V. Young, Locker, etc? LOL

Being drafted high as a qb is not even close to being a sure thing. In fact, I have an article that is a year or two old that breaks down all the first round qb picks in recent memory. Believe me on this one.............the guys in the NFL are not exactly experts when it comes to drafting qbs. But, you go ahead and keep making fun of posters who voice their opinions regarding QBs on a message board. It's productive.