Rough day? I had 8.25 tons of pea gravel dumped in my barn drive today. Wife and I (and a friend that showed up for about an hour), shoveled it into wheel barrows, pushed them to the pond, and dumped it.
Only have around 1.5 tons left to do. Tomorrow. If I can get out of bed that is.
i know 1 time i had a side job. 27 yards of concrete. i had 2 guys to help me. They followed the truck in thinking i would be worried. They said were you scared. i said no i can bring the trucks in and do this myself i don't really need your help, but if you want to stay get busy i'll emphty the 1st truck.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
"The first thing fundamentally is the long stride,'' he said. "It just came with him (from Notre Dame), and that really affected his accuracy. He's all over it, and then he's awry. He's all over it and he misses again. And that has been the No. 1 thing. Because when he gets a base and he's shortens his stride and he steps and throws it, it's a thing of beauty.
"He's got an extremely strong arm and if we can get his fundamentals and his lower body good, you don't touch his release. He's got the most beautiful release and whip in his arm."
Says Vers and some others mention this article/comments in another thread and I heard Kizer make a comment about his footwork and how being under center helps him (if I can find the press transcript i'll post) but got me thinking of some of the observations from this thread.
I also think that there were some really good observations in this thread and Lee's comments prove that out.
I think it's cool when posters get together and have a productive thread like this one. It was one of better threads that we've had in quite awhile.
This statement by Lee was also in the article that ed is referring to:
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"The first thing fundamentally is the long stride,'' he said. "It just came with him (from Notre Dame), and that really affected his accuracy. He's all over it, and then he's awry. He's all over it and he misses again. And that has been the No. 1 thing. Because when he gets a base and he's shortens his stride and he steps and throws it, it's a thing of beauty.
We talked quite a bit about that and if anyone wants to scroll through the thread and find that video I posted of Herman, who was at Ohio State at the time, and the drills he did to help ensure his guys kept a good base, I think it would be educational and help tie things together.
Have him practice with his feet tied to a teather about 1 inch longer than you want his stride. It won't take all that many time of falling over before he gets the hang of it.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Have him practice with his feet tied to a teather about 1 inch longer than you want his stride. It won't take all that many time of falling over before he gets the hang of it.
(Imo there's something off about the timing of his dropbacks and the time/rhythm when he releases the ball. Too often he's in the pocket bouncing/hoping around waiting to throw the ball. He rarely gets to the top of his drop and throws on rhythm unless its play-action. Which makes me wonder about the structure of the offense and about whether or not his dropback footwork is on point?)
That's an interesting point. It triggered something in my memory bank. I'm going to analyze his drops as I continue to watch his tapes. Thanks for pointing that out. Good stuff.
From the games that i've watched and the current game I'm charting the WAAAYYY to early conclusion for me right now is that Kizer's accuracy will improve by leaps when his footwork is sharp and he's decisive with the throw. When he's throwing decisively with his footwork in rhythm he's accurate whether its left or right or with the leg kick or not.
I recall reading that Kizer was tops in QB rating with play-action. And watching the tape it makes sense. Usually when a QB is throwing off play-action everything is defined. They know they're taking X step drop and throwing to either option A-B-C. The read is defined and the footwork is defined.
Kizer is gonna have to work on his footwork and his knowledge of the play concept so that he can throw as decisively from non-play action as he does with. Too often he gets to the top of his drop and is waiting or hoping around/happy feet. Then when he does decide to throw its off.
I want to watch some 2015 tape next to compare.
@ 6:54 mark.....
Originally Posted By: Kizer
~I think I am a lot more comfortable now than when I got here… being under center for me I think I have a huge advantage because it requires me to be more mechanical in my drop and in my throwing which creates more accuracy. When you’re in the gun especially at the college level and you’re not required to be super mechanical then it can allow your ball to fluctuate and your accuracy kinda goes away. When you’re under center you have to take a 5-step drop to be on that perfect timingto get that ball out to that receiver that is running a 4.5-4.4 then it requires you to lock in….So it’s definitely helped my game so far
Some might take this as a throw away comment. But, to me it harkens back exactly to what I say on film. It seemed like his drop back footwork was scattershot/adlib when he was in shotgun...it was hard to tell what his footwork was supposed be and maybe the offense didn't require him to take a defined drop. But, when he was throwing form play-action with defined drop back (5-7 step etc) he was very accurate and his QB metric were amongst the best.
I'm glad he's taken notice of the link between sharp defined footwork and being consistently accurate. Now the next step is being able to take the defined drop back from under center and bring that same footwork discipline with his shotgun snaps.
Hell watch his feet at the combines, he looked like a Clydesdale trying to backup. feet going everywhere. seriously some of the worst footwork I have seen ever from a prospect that was fighting for a first round selection.
From the brief camp footage we have seen, he is taking much shorter crisper steps and really rotating his hips into the throw. remarkable change in a short time. If he had looked like that at the combines or pro day he would have gone top 5.
From the brief camp footage we have seen, he is taking much shorter crisper steps and really rotating his hips into the throw. remarkable change in a short time. If he had looked like that at the combines or pro day he would have gone top 5.
I'm truly wondering if this is why Hue is just giving him the bulk of the first team reps now? His progress already shown? I can't wait until training camp and the pads come on to continue to monitor Kizer.
I mean, you just can't beat that arm the traits that make up his frame/body. He's the prototype QB for our division and the type of weather conditions we see throughout the various seasons.
Good observations and I think they are very important to our discussion on Kizer's past and future. The only thing I will add in this post is that it will also be interesting to see what happens to his mechanics when he is actually in a real game.
That's the thing. Some guys u fix their feet and it simply stays fixed. Other guys (Josh McCown comes to mind) will always be erratic for no reason at all.
Good observations and I think they are very important to our discussion on Kizer's past and future. The only thing I will add in this post is that it will also be interesting to see what happens to his mechanics when he is actually in a real game.
My thoughts exactly. It will be interesting to see if he practices the proper footwork correctly that it just becomes 2nd nature to him and it just happens without concentrating on it or he falls back to his old self when under the gun in a live game
Good observations and I think they are very important to our discussion on Kizer's past and future. The only thing I will add in this post is that it will also be interesting to see what happens to his mechanics when he is actually in a real game.
No doubt. I'm not actually sure IF his footwork has improved or not from the brief little tidbit I see of mini-camp. Its one thing for him to identify a specific area he needs fix and its another thing to make the fix stick. Like you said its all talk until he takes live reps.
Its going to be interesting to see how Kizer's strengths impact the playcalling. IF his footwork is sharper from play-action and under center then it only makes sense to skew more towards "standard" offense then shotgun offense until he's sharp with his footwork in shotgun.
Yeah, I agree. I'm a lot higher on him now than before I really started watching him.
The play action thing that you bring up is great. It would be a perfect compliment to our running game and we could see Hue go back to more of what he did w/the Bengals.
It is pretty exciting to think that maybe we let the draft come to us and we got our guy.
My views are starting to change a bit. In a poll thread I was more about starting Kiser maybe towards mid season. Unless Brock or Cody tear it up in preseason, maybe we do need to look at Kiser early on. We have a bunch of high picks next draft. Two firsts and three seconds I believe. It would be super duper if we didn't have to spend one, or several on a QB and be able to spend them on impact players at other positions. WR anyone? How about another gold nugget for the OL? A safety or corner, or both? A backer or runningback?
The sun is rising on this team.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Until we're 1-8 and everyone's writing articles about how maybe Hue isn't the right guy, and maybe Moneyball doesn't work..
And then boom goes the dynamite.
(I hate the media)
I thought from day 1 these guys get 3 and more than likely a minimum of 4 years before the thief blows it up ... no matter the results ... IMO he had to based off his previous 4 years of ownership .. we had become the laughing stock of the league .. literally ... and contrary to popular belief it was WELL DESERVED ...
I see no way he fires them after this year .. NONE ... Even another 1 win season won't get them fired IMO .. they get at least one more year ,,, MINUMUM ...
This group would have had to do something extremely stupid like Banner/Dumbardi and then Farmer did to get fired quickly ...
Haslams a thief, not a moron ... he made some BRUTAL HIRINGS in his first 4 years ... ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL .. out of his group of fo and HC hires I would have loved to have seen what Chud could have done ... but the thief f'd that one up by trusting the pencil necked geek and the legacy child ...
Yeah, I agree. I'm a lot higher on him now than before I really started watching him.
The play action thing that you bring up is great. It would be a perfect compliment to our running game and we could see Hue go back to more of what he did w/the Bengals.
Pretty exciting........if it works out.
For me Kizer is a raw lump of clay arguably more physically gifted then any other QB prospect this year but wasn't as "NFL" ready.
But being a more or less "NFL" ready is a distinction that may only matter over the course of the offseason and i often grapple with how much it matters in terms of ranking prospects.
I was thinking the upside of Kizer's apparent lack of training in the drop back passing game is that he's learning it fresh for the first time as opposed to unlearning and re-learning.
And Hue has been part of getting 2 rookie QBs (spread) new to rhythm drop back passing game make the transition before in Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton.
IF/When Kizer plays i envision an offense similar to Joe's rookie years with the Ravens. Run focused with a complementary play-action based passing game.
Also, Kizer has another aide Tom House to help "whisper in his ear" speed the process along.
Your post made me think about play-action plays and how it baffles me that the play-action is not a staple of every NFL offense. Even when done less-than-great it's still a very effective means of slowing down the D.
Your post made me think about play-action plays and how it baffles me that the play-action is not a staple of every NFL offense. Even when done less-than-great it's still a very effective means of slowing down the D.
I've said this for a very long time. Any time you can freeze a defense, even for a second, it's an advantage to your QB.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Your post made me think about play-action plays and how it baffles me that the play-action is not a staple of every NFL offense. Even when done less-than-great it's still a very effective means of slowing down the D.
How well the 'action' is mimicked isn't the key to effective play action.
A team must show a commitment to run the ball. Teams scout. No defenses worth their salt are going to be effected by a team that doesn't actually run the ball. Say a team has a 60/40 pass/run ratio and doesn't show a tendency to run the ball when trailing by X amount of points in situation X...a defense isn't going to respect it.
Most teams now believe in the passing league mantra. Very few teams build around an offensively philosophy focused on running the ball.
Not many teams stick to it. It's hard to call a run on 2nd down after a run on 1st down only gained 2 yards.
You have to feed the dogs actual food for awhile before the sound of the bell makes them salivate.
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A great idea too! 
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